00:01:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2859-g855fd10 (34) 00:04:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:04:54 -!- clinew has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:05:01 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:08:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:12:33 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:47 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:16:34 -!- Guest63203 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:10 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:25:27 -!- guestperson has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:29:32 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:19 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 00:41:42 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:46:38 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 00:50:09 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:35 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:03:42 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2859-g855fd10 (34) 01:04:15 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06:43 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:08:07 Do you think these hypothetical scrolls should be renamed back to 'summoning' or explicitly as 'shadow creatures'? 01:08:24 Also, am I the only one a little bothered by shadow creatures disappearing without leaving clouds behind, unlike just about every other summon? 01:08:51 they should leave shadows 01:09:04 I'm bothered with too many summon types leaving clouds 01:09:07 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:09:50 It just feels slightly disconcerting to me for them randomly vanishing, like for a moment I wonder where they went 01:09:57 Maybe most people don't have this issue :P 01:10:28 -!- dcssrubot210 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:30 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:16:05 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17:57 Also, how would people feel about not flagging shadow creatures as inherantly unholy, and just having it not summon creatures opposed by your god? Currently it angers gods even if you summon completely mundane stuff, and that feels a little odd to me 01:18:35 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 01:19:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20:02 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:20:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20:50 it would distinguish TSO summoner types a bit less, at least 01:20:53 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2859-g855fd10 01:21:30 Is that a good or a bad thing here? 01:21:47 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 01:22:31 that's for you to decide :P 01:22:40 Heh 01:23:11 Well, I think I would rather these scrolls not be unusable by followers of good gods, at least 01:23:34 TSO gives special boosts to allies, so it would make sense for him to dislike bad types 01:23:54 Well, yes. I'm not saying to make him suddenly not mind unholy summons 01:23:58 what's wrong with good gods disliking an item type? 01:24:17 But shadow creatures, in most places, rarely produces anything unholy anyway, but TSO still gets mad if you summon a rat with it 01:24:28 And that bit sort of strikes me as odd 01:24:48 theme-wise it's not a rat you're summoning 01:25:15 Well, I got the impression you weren't even summoning anything animate 01:25:26 Just sort of solid illusions 01:26:13 perhaps even they could be some kind of derived monsters instead 01:26:24 What do you mean? 01:26:28 (I'm untangling the small/large derived mess as we speak) 01:27:38 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:27:55 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:28:07 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:56 By 'derived', do you mean in the sense that zombies and spectral things and simuacra are? 01:29:39 that kind, yeah 01:30:03 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:30:33 and like Yred's enslaved souls, they are capable of using spells if they have any 01:31:29 I don't think they're meant to be undead or anything 01:31:46 Hmm... now that I look, the spell description mentions Abyssal matter. Did it used to say that? >.> 01:33:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:34:51 Hmmm... since 0.7, anyway. I'm not sure if this clarifies why TSO gets angry, or just raises further questions. Since living creatures made from it are still treated as living in the normal ways 01:35:09 In that people get mad at you doing various things to them 01:35:25 (Like, why should he care if you're unchivilrous to something if it's really just Abyss stuff?) 01:37:12 Not that it seems much like Abyss stuff, or anything made up of Abyss stuff in the first place. If anything, I'd say the DESCRIPTION sounds like the more questionable bit 01:38:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:39:47 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:20 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:42:58 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:44:05 kilobyte: maybe the "Stab" lines in action_counts should only count stabs with a short blade? 01:44:21 seems sort of silly to count my quarterstaff stabs 01:44:53 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:45:16 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:45:34 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:47:12 count for each weapon type ;-P 01:47:36 doomrl would 01:48:40 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:48:52 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:11 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:59:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:04:50 Interestingly, even using ?unholy creation at present doesn't anger good gods, despite the description and item coloring (and effect) implying it should 02:06:38 that would be a bug 02:06:47 I'm pretty sure 02:07:27 -!- Iacchus has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 02:08:30 Yes 02:11:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:32 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:24:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:45:11 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:58 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:39 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:52:38 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:56:18 -!- superc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:57:33 In any case, I don't think it makes sense that shadow creates are apparently eldritch, despite looking and behaving in all other ways like they are whatever other creature they're formed into. Either they should be more eldritch somehow (sounds complicated to implement, and I am not sure there is really a net gameplay benefit here) or this flavor link buried in the spell description should be chan 02:57:33 ged, I think 02:59:21 It's not that I care strongly about good god worshippers using the spell or not, but this just feels odd to me 03:01:05 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 03:07:29 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:07:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:10:27 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:19 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:38 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:36 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 03:19:11 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:20:44 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:27:09 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:27:37 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:07 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 03:28:35 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:29:13 -!- xi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:31:50 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:26 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:39:13 -!- xi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:42:24 DracoOmega: definitely something buggy with good gods and unholy creation scrolls 03:42:24 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:42:27 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:42:28 !messages 03:42:29 (1/1) bh said (6h 26m 15s ago): How are your layouts? I'd love to merge them. 03:43:21 mumra: Well, fixing that is simple, but since I was going to change the scroll itself in the first place.... 03:44:05 DracoOmega: the scroll description even says The Shining One opposes the use of such an unholy item, but using it doesn't give penance, but you get "The small abomination is enraged by your holy aura!" 03:44:14 Yes 03:44:17 but if you're going to change it then whatever i guess ;) 03:44:35 You see, items are flagged as unholy for purposes of descriptions and menu coloring in one place, but that doesn't DO anything 03:44:46 The code to actually count it as some kind of conduct is placed elsewhere (and missing here) 03:45:48 yeah the conducts system could generally be more consistent somehow 03:47:25 I would probably have changed the scroll already if not for this bit about what shadow creatures are actually made of, and how this is supposed to interact with good gods (since currently some things don't really add up) 03:49:11 i like the idea of making them actually made of shadows, maybe with an image filter 03:49:28 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [] 03:51:19 Well, I had always assumed they were 03:51:29 Since they don't act like abyssal stuff in any way at all 03:51:34 seems relatively simple, but I have doubts if that's 0.12 material 03:53:01 Well, I suppose that depends on what you were thinking would be done to them 03:57:21 Making it not inherantly unholy and either vetoing creatures that would peeve your god, or only angering your god when they are summoned shouldn't be difficult (possibly there will be varied opinions on which is better here) 03:59:41 hrm, completely unrelated changes somehow reduce vision range to 0 04:00:01 What? 04:00:10 * kilobyte has some troubles debugging something. 04:00:33 Oh, somehow I thought this some dig at lack of foresight or something :P 04:00:35 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:00:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:40 messing with small/large zombies somehow produced that result 04:01:24 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:01:53 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: q] 04:02:36 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:04:29 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:59 -!- caracal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:06:42 -!- caracal has quit [Changing host] 04:07:27 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 04:08:26 In any case, I am very tired, so I shall now be off 04:08:35 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:16:39 New branch created: xombee (54 commits) 04:16:47 Cherry-picked 1 commit into xombee 04:16:47 03kilobyte 07[xombee] * 0.12-a0-206-g2dfbc2c: Don't use internal data of mon-pick from the outside. 10(7 months ago, 6 files, 24+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dfbc2c440f6 04:16:47 03kilobyte 07[xombee] * 0.12-a0-207-g6981a25: Don't use the notion of monster depth in hints mode. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 14-) 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selection. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=088cf57e3cc6 04:16:47 03kilobyte 07[xombee] * 0.12-a0-213-gccafab7: Don't go through inappropriate monsters during arena selection. 10(7 months ago, 3 files, 14+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccafab7d3876 04:16:47 03kilobyte 07[xombee] * 0.12-a0-214-g56e8f23: Round monster rarities towards 500, rather than randomly. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 515+ 515-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=56e8f236b0d2 04:16:47 03kilobyte 07[xombee] * 0.12-a0-215-gcea3b0c: Suppress merge suppression of moths of suppression. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cea3b0c8744c 04:16:47 ... and 43 more commits 04:27:44 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:28:15 I see Chei's on crack, too 04:32:22 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:41:49 -!- neunon is now known as snoonan 04:42:22 -!- edlinfan has 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##crawl-dev 12:13:49 -!- inpho has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:35 -!- ApsychicRat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:26:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:22 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 12:30:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:24 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:40:11 -!- inpho has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:22 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:45:45 -!- inpho has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:46 -!- inpho_ is now known as inpho 12:46:33 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:21 -!- inpho has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:19 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:54:02 I had a silly and probably rather unnecessary idea overnight - potions of polymorph. 13:02:19 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Ping 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The +13 crystal plate mail bursts apart! 13:06:43 but you can't poly into a cockatrice and make petrification grenades! 13:07:02 or poly into a xorn and eat your rings 13:12:19 My favorite is polying into a master mind flayer to wake someone up outside the normal order of things. :b 13:12:25 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:13:39 uggggh nethack makes my brain hurt 13:13:56 i've never come even close to winning it 13:16:11 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:16:36 -!- dcssrubot219 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:02 -!- inpho_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:21:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:40:15 -!- Xiberia_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 13:40:30 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:41:52 ghouls should get more hp from chunks now there are less 13:42:11 making them get less hp like that isn't necessary 13:43:23 I hear it affects vampire nutrition too? 13:43:34 gotta nerf the undead species 13:49:18 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:50:32 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:51:03 just reverting that commit seems easier IMO 13:51:14 The chunks commit? 13:51:33 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:33 since I don't really think halving chunk numbers does much aside from penalize ghouls, vp, etc 13:51:38 which was not the intention afaik 13:51:57 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:42 %git :/chunk 13:53:05 03galehar * 0.12-a0-2813-g95d6e0c: Divide the maximum number of chunks by 2. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95d6e0c04fea 13:53:10 03Medar 07* 0.12-a0-2861-g7845ebd: Make decks from get_item_info pass bad_deck 10(10 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7845ebd569b6 13:53:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:54:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:55:03 -!- tophat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:25 I mean you can question halving chunks for everyone, too 13:57:45 because the only think it doesn't affect is the thing it's supposed to 13:57:51 and all this other stuff is affected 13:59:17 -!- Nareusm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:02:20 -!- ApsychicRat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:54 -!- dcssrubot945 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:39 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Quit: Butts] 14:05:57 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 14:11:00 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:58 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:29:15 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:19 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 14:41:32 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 14:42:40 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:43:06 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:12 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:18 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47:55 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:48 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:45 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:18 i think that there should be a way to change titles after a skill reaches 27 15:01:35 -!- AngelicHorsey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:02:13 maybe for a gold price, like in a MMO 15:02:58 more seriously, when a second skill reaches 27, your title should change to it 15:03:36 that just moves the "decision" to what the last skill you max is, rather than the first 15:03:47 which is less interesting as far as a metagamey thing like this goes imo 15:03:56 and also less flavourful (I think it makes sense to be named after the first thing you master) 15:04:33 i think the title is meant to reflect what you're currently doing 15:04:50 so if you max long blades first, then spellcasting later 15:04:56 you should get the spellcasting title 15:04:58 speaking of metagame, should totally make it so spellcasters can't just go trog so people can claim theyve won a combo!!!!! 15:05:21 titles for combinations of mastered skills e.g. master fighting and spellcasting "battlemage" 15:05:26 hmm 15:05:36 so how many skills are there? 15:05:41 a few 15:05:43 yeah i can do the math 15:05:55 how about you get all the titles for skills you've maxed 15:06:13 just conat them 15:06:16 concat 15:06:19 how about the status quo 15:06:23 !lm mudo x=maxsk 15:06:25 1433. [2013-02-28 16:45:10] [maxskills=Fighting,Short Blades,Long Blades,Axes,Maces & Flails,Polearms,Staves,Slings,Bows,Crossbows,Throwing,Armour,Dodging,Stealth,Stabbing,Shields,Traps & Doors,Unarmed Combat,Spellcasting,Conjurations,Hexes,Charms,Summonings,Necromancy,Translocations,Transmutations,Fire Magic,Ice Magic,Air Magic,Earth Magic,Poison Magic,Invocations,Evocations] mudo the Farming Tal... 15:06:32 what would the title for this be 15:06:43 monqy: mudo the mudo 15:06:46 "farming" works well there 15:09:13 SELECT title FROM ??battlemage 15:10:24 seriously, if you have 2-3 skills maxed, concat the titles. with 4+, you get just "farming" 15:10:35 or "masterful", if you want to be complimentary 15:11:18 -!- tophat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:16:07 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:27:33 -!- LordLovebone has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:33 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:36 in all seriousness i agree with elliott. for one thing there isn't enough room on the display for more than one title. 15:28:48 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:16 current title system works pretty well IMO 15:31:18 -!- SetecAstronomy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:32:46 -!- dcssrubot470 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:29 the only problem is i have to stop training things at 26.9 :( 15:35:18 otherwise i will never get Eat the Unlucky Elf 15:38:57 -!- ontoclasm is now known as ottoclasm 15:41:39 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:57 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:49:16 Unlucky? 15:49:19 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 15:50:32 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 15:50:48 -!- rabidwombat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:51:11 is that what you get if hexes are your highest skill? :P 15:51:20 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:51:39 "Spellbinder" 15:52:33 rast: nemelex penance iirc 15:52:38 ah 15:54:14 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:07 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:59:31 Choosing random background first allows Stalker to be chosen by battaile 16:00:09 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:27 who wants to talk about cloud spells 16:00:27 minmay: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:01:50 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 16:07:52 -!- xxx has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:23 spells...in the cloud 16:15:26 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:20:28 -!- xi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:08 -!- Pthing has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:25:28 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:26:40 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:30:15 * SamB wonders why player_quiver::on_item_fired is called *before* firing the item ... 16:33:21 -!- AngelicHorsey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:38:08 -!- Thalfon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:37 -!- AndChat|508 is now known as Thalfon 16:38:55 ottoclasm: I hate to tell you this, but I'm pretty sure it isn't possible to get "Unlucky %s" 16:39:07 huh? 16:39:09 unless I am forgetting a way of getting nemelex penance 16:39:23 abandon him and rejoin? 16:39:41 rejoining clears penance 16:39:48 :C 16:40:28 fr: potion of penance 16:40:43 i can't get Eat the Pure either 16:42:30 idea: if you are using tab to fire ranged ammo at a monster, and the last square in your line of fire (where it will land if you miss everything) is unoccupied water/lava... 16:42:40 it should aim at the next-to-last square instead 16:43:12 as if you'd aimed at that square with '.' 16:43:22 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:45:17 elliptic: IMO nemelex should hate destroying decks 16:46:56 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:53 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:48:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:48:54 rast: idea: if you are using tab to fire ranged ammo at a monster, it shouldnt randomly make you move towards the monster instead 16:49:06 ive never had it do that 16:49:09 however i don't think anyone understands that bug let alone well enough to fix it 16:49:40 of course i have tab mapped to shift-tab... 16:51:52 +1 to rast's suggestion 16:51:56 drives me nuts 16:52:14 really tabshooting should just do f. rather than ff 16:53:19 eh i like aiming past 16:53:28 so if you miss the first target you hit something else in the pack 16:53:31 *shooting past 16:53:41 i just dont want to hit lava/water 16:55:56 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:01 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:02:51 -!- dcssrubot221 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:10:02 -!- dcssrubot441 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:53 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:57 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:51 -!- _dd has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:18:59 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:23:48 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:26:51 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:00 -!- Zifmia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:17 -!- Snarwin has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:41:20 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2862-gd44b579: Fix randart spear tiles 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d44b57956baa 17:41:20 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2863-g609614a: Fix some black outlines 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=609614a8b385 17:41:20 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2864-g4a87d9e: Various monster tiles (roctavian, 6793) 10(3 minutes ago, 7 files, 4+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a87d9e01472 17:41:30 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:42:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:48:14 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:48:20 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:51:18 -!- kk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52:41 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:56:46 ottoclasm: I still like your original sentinel one more than that, to be honest 17:57:11 By a decent bit, actually >.> 17:58:19 The horn here looks kind of just pasted on top of him, to me 18:00:22 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0a2/20130319042012]] 18:01:40 * SamB doesn't thet the point of commit 0.12-a0-2813-g95d6e0c (replace hyphen with dash) 18:01:56 * SamB also can't get the character to copy/paste 18:02:24 SamB: your guess is as good as the rest of ours... 18:02:44 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:09 er, s/thet/get/, obviously 18:05:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:12 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:06:39 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2865-ga657896: Replace scrolls of unholy creation with (revised) scrolls of summoning 10(5 weeks ago, 16 files, 66+ 76-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6578962e085 18:06:39 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2866-gf30ac83: Make Lugonu wrath send eldritch creatures rather than demons 10(88 minutes ago, 1 file, 33+ 27-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f30ac8358eaf 18:08:08 -!- Luxivar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:47 do monsters use scrolls of summoning 18:09:13 Well, they currently do because they used the old ones 18:09:19 (I am not opposed to changing this) 18:09:56 I mean, I found it odd that they used unholy creation at all, frankly 18:10:45 But it basically never mattered, since it was just a small abomination. Here them reading one could be actually unpleasant beyond D:2 or something, admittedly 18:10:59 DracoOmega: don't you have to wrap that description? 18:11:04 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:11:05 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:36 Oh, huh. Maybe I do.... 18:12:16 ...and then that'll be a wrap. 18:13:14 Interestingly, tiles does not seem to respect manual line breaks in descriptions 18:13:18 And instead does its own wrapping 18:13:28 I guess console is different? 18:13:37 whats the rationale for randart jewelry thats strictly worse than the base item? 18:13:47 e - the amulet "Romeevorch" {rCorr rC-} 18:13:48 etc 18:14:03 Well, randarts are random 18:14:17 (And that might still be worth using in cases where you want rCorr but don't have a plain one, keep in mind) 18:14:47 how about randarts that have only negative mods? 18:14:49 also you can put it on etc 18:14:52 pretty sure ive seen those 18:15:01 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:15:11 A lot of randarts are junk, sure 18:15:28 Their average value would go up considerably if they were not, though 18:16:03 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:18:07 plus one fixedart junk 18:18:38 Well, it seems that it wraps properly on console, too 18:19:01 So I guess it's just done by convention rather than necessisty 18:19:15 (And here I expect a dolorous commit at any second >.>) 18:19:26 "Add formatting fixes." 18:19:34 I hate that message ... 18:19:46 "Remove formatting fixes." 18:19:55 "Remove formatting unfixes." 18:19:59 %git HEAD^{/dolorous} 18:19:59 03Grunt * 0.12-a0-2708-g1f21651: A minor formatting fix, before dolorous spots it... 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f21651769fe 18:20:29 I'm not sure what I think about the corresponding changes, but I really don't like the message 18:21:34 there is a lint script somewhere in the crawl dirs...i'm half certain it's automated 18:21:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:22:40 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:23:55 -!- Beneather has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:53 -!- Scherzo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:27:58 -!- tophat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:28:50 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:30:53 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:38 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:41 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:38:39 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 18:38:41 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:45:09 @??frederick 18:45:09 Frederick (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 159 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 5373 | Sp: mystic blast (3d25), b.cold (3d30), invisibility, iron shot (3d36) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 18:45:32 why doesn't fred's stat breakdown include monocle 18:46:55 oops wrong channel 18:47:18 I'm not sure how this is the wrong channel 18:47:43 st_, elliptic, galehar: I've been looking for ways to fix things that chunks commit breaks (Nemelex corpse sacrifices, vampirre nutrition, corpse explosions) and what it inadvertently rebalances (ghoul healing, simulacrum ammo, sublimation of blood) 18:47:46 not supposed to spam dev channel with obviously stupid comments :) 18:47:59 eeviac: are you sure 18:48:01 and when thinking, I quite fail to see what exactly are the upsides in the first place 18:48:28 less chunks auto-picked-up after chopping that golden dragon, that's about it 18:48:42 Yes, it doesn't seem to accomplish much useful 18:49:00 A bit less nutrition in some areas, but probably not enough to matter to most people 18:49:53 well if there's no easy way to change the corpses that give 6+ chunks then perhaps it isn't worth it? 18:50:22 Well, the main point is that the primary effect of cutting chunks in half is to things OTHER than its supposed purpose 18:50:36 I've been thinking that it would be better to increase all nutrition gained, increasing spell costs, but decreasing overall food spawned a little 18:50:38 what was the supposed purpose? 18:50:52 so you have to eat much less, unless you use big spells and which you eat like you do now 18:50:55 Well, I THINK it was to reduce corpse nutrition 18:50:56 would be nice to avoid picking up the chunks, yeah 18:51:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:52:09 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:55:18 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:55:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:58:59 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:01:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:08 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:43 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 19:02:46 are monsters supposed to be able to equip/unequip cursed gear 19:02:56 no 19:03:01 hm 19:03:21 cuz qiglaf totally dropped his unique shield, which when I id'd it, it was cursed 19:03:26 wiglaf* 19:03:37 equip yes, unequip now 19:03:39 no * 19:03:43 perhaps he wasn't wearing it 19:03:54 ? he'd have to be 19:04:00 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:04:14 monsters don't carry armor that they're not using? 19:04:36 or did it get cursed before you id'd it? 19:04:44 if a monster carries armour, it is worn 19:04:47 not sure how that would happen 19:04:49 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:04:56 he wasn't killing mummies 19:05:08 he generated with a broad axe and shield, then dropped the shield for a bow 19:05:31 but you weren't, after you picked it up? 19:05:45 no 19:05:51 * Zannick shrug 19:06:09 I id'd it immediately 19:06:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:06:46 "then dropped the shield for a bow" -- except that bows go in a separate slot than shields 19:07:11 hm, well I'm wrong about that then, but he did drop the shield 19:07:31 because wiglaf is still running around d17, and I have his cursed shield 19:08:17 unrelated, but can maurice steal cursed equipped items? 19:08:48 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:25 a large zombie zombie (resting) 19:14:18 Is that akin to, 19:14:20 pillar of salt shaped pillar of salt (168) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 19:14:20 %??pillar of salt 19:16:58 kilobyte: at least it wasn't zombies all the way down! 19:17:42 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 19:18:42 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:21:13 somehow I can't get Maurice to steal from me at all 19:21:27 he should at least take gold 19:21:58 (all armour/weapon slots cursed, jewelry uncursed, gold uncursed) 19:22:58 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24:48 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:43 -!- tophat_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:26:53 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:28:13 maybe he doesn't remember he can do that 19:30:47 I'm standing with all items uncursed, with a horde of Maurices around, not a single item stolen 19:30:52 something is amiss 19:31:48 maurice theft has been broken for a while it hink 19:32:17 oh, and monster use of wands of digging (Maurice can generate with one) is pointless: they zap if there's some wall behind you or on an alternate beam path of an open straight line to you, and apparently in no other circumstance 19:32:34 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-2867-g8a4c45b: Simplify a couple of things in quiver.cc 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a4c45beecdf 19:32:34 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-2868-gc862510: Respect =f even on items similar to what was quivered before. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8625104eed3 19:37:39 Maurice doesn't steal anything by KiloByte 19:40:42 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:42:42 monsters use wands of digging for no reason by KiloByte 19:42:42 I distinctly remember the wand of digging being exempt from the normal monster zapping code. Did that get removed somewhere along the way? 19:43:33 it has been reworked recently IIRC 19:45:16 ...the relevant code snippet got lost in the bad_forms merge, it looks like. 19:46:11 uh, how? It doesn't seem to be any likely conflict... 19:47:15 It was adjacent to a check preventing monsters from spamming wands of polymorph other which was also removed at the time. 19:47:40 (git diff 24951ff a7f467a, check for WAND_DIGGING) 19:50:12 ah right, "return false;" vs "default: break;" 19:52:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:53:27 partially fixed: he doesn't zap walls behind me, but still does any alternate beam. Like, if you're next to a corner and he's 2 spaces away from you. 19:57:52 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-2869-g119891c: Reinstate a check against monsters using digging like other wands (#6799). 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=119891ced6ee 19:57:52 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-2870-g54a0c69: Fix Maurice stealing (#6798). 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54a0c69b047c 19:57:52 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2871-g07136b0: Reintroduce some special handling of wands of digging (Grunt). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07136b026ac0 19:58:17 ...clearly I need to mention something about adding that check back in when I actually do it :) 19:58:40 already fixed and re-pushed :p 20:00:09 And now, to trace where that Maurice special case came from so I can make a note of it in the Mantis issue... 20:01:20 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:02:57 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2872-g1263e15: ... and drop a redundant copy of the digging code. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1263e155719a 20:03:02 -!- dcssrubot469 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:48 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:27 "Friendly summoned monsters do not attack things unless the player has line of sight to both the summon and the victim. Glass does not count as line of sight for this purpose." 20:04:31 If I'm reading this code properly, Mauricestealing has been broken since: 20:04:35 %git 4b1c65e 20:04:35 03Cryp71c * 0.10-a0-2129-g4b1c65e: Fix arena crash-indicated bugs 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b1c65e08973 20:04:53 isnt this going to hurt trog players etc more than pure summoners? 20:05:14 since the pure summoner can just make a bigger meatshield 20:14:44 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:12 rast: nerfing BiA is an added bonus 20:15:16 hrm, looks like any custom monster glyphs don't work, since af76f80 20:15:26 and that's almost 3 years ago 20:16:48 Grunt: yeah, doesn't surprise me... I've been wondering whether mauricestealing was broken for a long time, but kept forgetting to check 20:17:49 kilobyte: people use alternate monster glyphs all the time (sixfirhies on 6, etc), unless you mean something else by custom? 20:19:25 like, redefining "merged slime creature" 20:19:38 it shows up on the monster pane but not on the main screen 20:23:12 search for scroll vs scrolls of teleport by BONGHITZ 20:31:18 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:12 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:33:33 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:46:20 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 20:48:35 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49:38 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:46 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:11 -!- Dixlet_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:50 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:54:48 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:56:36 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:57:42 I thought for the longest time that Maurice was a halfling, and was surprised to learn he isn't. 20:59:16 that's doable 20:59:56 his tile is quite tall, though 21:00:01 hmm, ?/ doesn't give any indication about that 21:00:09 Tile? What's that? 21:00:09 :b 21:00:36 on console, I meant 21:00:47 oh, kilobyte said tile 21:00:47 that's something which makes an one-line change not that simple :p 21:00:56 Maurice (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 60 | AC/EV: 1/13 | Dam: 910(steal) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(26) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 503 | Sp: invisibility, swiftness, blink, teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:00:56 %??maurice 21:01:39 halfling (15@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 6-15 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(8) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 30 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 21:01:39 %??halfling 21:16:43 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:16:53 -!- Wehk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:16:59 -!- Wehk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:17:36 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:55 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:59 -!- Wehk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:07 -!- dcssrubot551 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:00 03kilobyte 07[mon-pick] * 0.12-a0-2435-gd0ed0c6: Remove the small/large zombie distinction. 10(82 minutes ago, 42 files, 320+ 394-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0ed0c66e544 21:34:00 03kilobyte 07[mon-pick] * 0.12-a0-2436-g0ac68f8: No need to look for zombies at other depths anymore. 10(39 minutes ago, 2 files, 39+ 13-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ac68f868fcb 21:34:00 03kilobyte 07[mon-pick] * 0.12-a0-2437-g2615bbe: Fix glyph redefinitions of virtual monster types. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 39+ 27-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2615bbeee587 21:36:23 kilobyte: does this mean wyvern zombies are "small" again 21:36:37 except not small because you just removed that, but you know what i mean right 21:36:56 the glyph can be 'z' or 'Z', if that's what you care about 21:37:06 whatever is set in mon-data 21:39:24 kilobyte: i must be missing something obvious here...i don't see anything in mon-data that sets zombie glyphs for specific monsters 21:40:23 Z_SMALL, Z_BIG 21:41:03 oh, hell, how did i miss that 21:41:14 possibly 4 hours of sleep a day is not enough 21:41:57 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:42:12 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44:32 does Beogh actually support the use of any orcish equipment besides weapons? 21:45:22 You get bonus AC from orcish armour based on piety, I believe 21:47:20 Hey everone, is there someone around with commit rights who could push one of my patches? 21:47:25 -!- Ahrin has quit [] 21:47:35 -!- Wehk_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:39 what's it for? 21:47:40 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:41 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:45 arena bugs 21:47:46 Commit rights, sure; patch-pushing, that depends :b 21:48:04 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6675 , which also fixes another one... one sec 21:48:20 this https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5089 21:50:28 I've tested it on windows console/tile and ubuntu console/tile, not sure how to test webtiles 21:50:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:33 not sure if you can use arena in webtiles at all, as non-DGL mode has been dropped, if I recall correctly 21:52:18 DGL? 21:53:05 -!- cocofalco has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:54:49 dgamelaunch, something for running public servers 21:55:12 basically, managing of users 21:55:39 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:47 is it crawl-specific? 21:56:20 webtiles yet, DGL in general not 21:56:27 it was born for NetHack 21:57:34 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:58:04 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:58:40 There appears to be code for non-DGL mode in WebTiles. Whether it works... I wouldn't know. 21:59:10 What does DGL mode change about crawl? 21:59:18 03kilobyte 07[mon-pick] * 0.12-a0-2438-g3dcb22d: An off-by-one error. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dcb22d8973d 21:59:18 03kilobyte 07[mon-pick] * 0.12-a0-2439-g26c536f: Fix simulacrum spawning after a save break. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26c536fbde48 21:59:18 03kilobyte 07[mon-pick] * 0.12-a0-2440-g6a66c87: Restore bad stealth for large zombies. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a66c87f159d 22:01:36 -!- Dixlet_ is now known as Dixlet 22:01:54 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:02 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:17:08 -!- Boyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:18:00 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:39 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:24:13 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:25:13 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:31 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:58 AriaB: why not grep for DGL? 22:42:17 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:42:29 and DGAMELAUNCH, I guess 22:46:56 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:58 * kilobyte requests a push lock (a big merge that breaks rerere). 22:57:36 What? 22:58:12 rerere can handle simple conflicts, but on anything bigger it silently loses parts of resolution 22:59:31 Not familiar with rerere 22:59:52 But were you asking people not to push things for a while or something? (Or did I just misunderstand entirely?) 23:00:01 yeah 23:00:23 this can take longer if I won't manage to get the cat off the keyboard 23:01:07 How long are we talking? (And does this mean you're merging mon-pick in now?) 23:01:18 yeah 23:01:39 talk to the bugger that demands petting right now 23:01:48 Haha 23:03:12 -!- dcssrubot204 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:32 -!- Melum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:48 -!- BloodDrum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:03:51 Well, I wasn't working on anything tonight anyway 23:04:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:04 won't take long, I hope 23:04:10 unless the kitteh returns 23:04:36 * SamB supposes god companions can stand to be carried over between games for a bit longer ... and it will take him a while to test the fix, anyway ... 23:04:50 SamB: Oh, the issue with restart_after_game? 23:04:56 yeah 23:05:02 I had been meaning to get around to fixing that 23:05:20 Does that option even work online? 23:05:28 no 23:05:29 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2872-g1263e15 23:05:45 Yeah, didn't think so, or I probably would have heard more fallout :P 23:07:00 I hadn't looked into it, but surely there's some kind of 'reset' routine called between games and all that is needed is to wipe the list there? 23:07:10 yeah 23:08:38 the hardest part is figuring out at what point in _setup_generic to add the call 23:09:16 since there's essentially no constraint there ... 23:10:00 Does it matter? 23:10:28 no, that's what makes it so hard 23:13:20 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:14:07 I can't seem to find an example of old rarity 52 monster, and digging out the formulas with all changes is too much work, so sorry, but the rarity of MONS_VAULT_SENTINEL will be far from exact 23:14:15 * kilobyte watches the sky fall down. 23:14:56 kilobyte: Wait, was that the only rarity 52 monster? 23:15:47 there were slime creatures in the swamp with 52 too, but their distribution was skewed by the branch having few levels 23:17:13 Well, it's not like the present rarity of the new V monsters is exactly set in stone anyway yet 23:19:24 In general the new distribution curves are supposed to be pretty close to the present situation, though? 23:22:17 my aim was at "exactly" 23:22:42 it's only the code changing from utterly unreadable mess to just hard to read 23:23:25 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:30 -!- ruwin has quit [] 23:23:57 Yes, I do understand that readability and editability were one of the big goals here 23:24:20 But I didn't know how closely it would be able to simulate the present state of probabilities if the underlying mechanics were changed 23:26:15 -!- eeviac has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:26:20 -!- eeviac_ is now known as eeviac 23:27:47 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:35:28 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:35:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:15 -!- dcssrubot250 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:34 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:37:10 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 23:42:29 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:42:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: IMHO keep it exactly the same but say in the changelog that the distribution "may be subtly different". Then wait to see what "changes" players "notice" 23:42:52 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:59 !messages 23:43:00 (1/1) mumra said (18h 23m 46s ago): Unfortunately I've done about zero work on layouts for a while, I really do need to finish up some of that! 23:43:11 |amethyst: Well, my concern is that, for once, if a player notices something it may actually exist! 23:43:19 What a terrible can of worms! :P 23:45:09 hi bh -- i was actually just doing some cleaning up of those abyss layouts 23:45:27 mumra: :-D 23:45:34 |amethyst: we should totally make a Library of Babel 23:45:45 screw Dungeon Crawl, let's renamed the game Borges Quest 23:46:02 but, c++ waa hurting my head and i reahed a good stopping point. should finish it up another day 23:46:10 <|amethyst> bh: with what? Because spellbooks would have pretty big balance implications 23:46:12 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:19 <|amethyst> bh: maybe individually-inscribed stones 23:46:22 -!- tophat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:47:12 <|amethyst> Ashenzari and El Aleph 23:47:21 <|amethyst> s/El/el/ 23:47:42 <|amethyst> The Secret Miracle of Cheibriados 23:48:00 |amethyst: we could make it appear if you get abyss seed 1 23:48:06 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:09 the odds of that happening are approximately 0 23:48:24 well you could have animated spellbooks that mostly disappear on death 23:48:26 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:48:31 spellbook mimics ;) 23:48:36 with confusing touch 23:48:51 <|amethyst> mumra: if you can't see the pages how do you convey that it is every possible spellbook? 23:49:13 * kilobyte releases the push lock. 23:49:22 |amethyst: I can see it now: potion of mate` 23:50:13 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 23:50:44 Cherry-picked 1 commit into master 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-206-g2dfbc2c: Don't use internal data of mon-pick from the outside. 10(7 months ago, 6 files, 24+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2dfbc2c440f6 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-207-g6981a25: Don't use the notion of monster depth in hints mode. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 14-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6981a25079a1 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-208-g3ec267d: Don't special-case pan lord power in zotdef. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ec267da4257 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-209-g82ae3fd: Don't pretend mons_{rarity,level}() use anything but place.branch. 10(7 months ago, 5 files, 20+ 18-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82ae3fd9ebe1 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-210-ga4cafc8: Convert mon-pick data to a more readable scheme. 10(7 months ago, 5 files, 1327+ 2967-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4cafc8eb2c7 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-211-gc086f60: Don't pretend pick_monster_no_rarity() uses depth, either. 10(7 months ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c086f60cd877 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-212-g088cf57: Avoid a pointless loop in ZotDef monster selection. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=088cf57e3cc6 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-213-gccafab7: Don't go through inappropriate monsters during arena selection. 10(7 months ago, 3 files, 14+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccafab7d3876 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-214-g56e8f23: Round monster rarities towards 500, rather than randomly. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 515+ 515-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=56e8f236b0d2 23:50:44 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-215-gcea3b0c: Suppress merge suppression of moths of suppression. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cea3b0c8744c 23:50:44 ... and 50 more commits 23:51:55 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:52:08 * kilobyte wonders why Chei lists ancient commits but no new ones. 23:52:22 Well, normally not quite so many things are pushed at once :P 23:52:52 they have been not only pushed, but even merged, before 23:53:05 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 23:54:32 <|amethyst> hm 23:55:18 Well, the gitorious activity log lists it as 61 commits pushed to master 23:55:48 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2934-g25e802e: Remove commented-out data for monsters that can't spawn in Vaults. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 47-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25e802e4db73 23:56:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:56:16 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 23:56:53 <|amethyst> kilobyte: Chei does git rev-list $newhead $oldhead there 23:57:27 the commits have already been seen on another branch, but are indeed new on master 23:57:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte: yeah 23:57:49 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it only cares if it's seen them in that branch before 23:58:33 <|amethyst> not sure how to get it to give only new commits while still dealing with one branch at a time 23:59:07 kilobyte: Perhaps I'm misreading, but doesn't a depth range of 3-13 on sentinels and convokers mean that they won't normally spawn on V:1 or V:2, unless it's an ood spawn? 23:59:19 dat/des/portals/wizlab.des:982: unknown monster: "large zombie" 23:59:34 DracoOmega: same as before 23:59:47 Wait, really? There are that many oods spawns normally? 23:59:54 Even among normal random monsters?