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I seem to be able to report new stuff. 09:03:25 i'm not entirely sure. "report issue" is missing from my top bar area 09:03:42 hm, maybe something went wrong after all the permissions changes yesterday? 09:04:18 -!- spriseris has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:04:25 -!- spriseris_ is now known as spriseris 09:04:49 i can still comment on issues, in any case 09:05:34 and it still displays the ability to upload files 09:06:38 * kilobyte can think of a short term solution, before Napkin or someone with a clue about mantis comes back. 09:07:06 well, i don't absolutely need to get anything uploaded right now or anything 09:07:56 i'll try again tomorrow at some point, not much internet time in my life these days 09:08:19 connectivity problems? 09:08:50 i'm living in istanbul for a while and i have no clue how to get internet at my apartment 09:09:16 so i just go into work early to mess around a bit 09:09:46 this is partially because my landlord got fired and nobody knows what to do with the weird foreigners 09:10:51 ah, ok 09:11:09 in any case, this is what i was going to upload: http://imgur.com/JPS7TrY 09:11:27 just because changing the sigmund tile is somewhat controversial. i just upped the res on him for the most part 09:11:58 but made a couple variations for kicks 09:12:59 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:18 -!- spriseris has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:14:22 -!- spriseris_ is now known as spriseris 09:17:22 1would you have an idea how to reduce player/hand2/buckler_spriggan.png to match other bucklers? It usually spawns on spriggans, obviously. It does have an in-inventory version, so it should still match it (or both be changed at the same time). 09:17:32 s/^1// 09:18:18 roctavian's tile goodness by KiloByte 09:22:27 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:49 thanks for the help! happy dev-ing. 09:22:53 kilobyte: what was the problem with using the normal codepath for displaying equipment on transformed players for tree form? 09:23:01 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:23:21 edlothiol: transforms don't handle equipment 09:23:23 kilobyte: currently tree form also shows armour, which is not good 09:24:05 also, all equipment goes below the tile rather than in the front if you try to show it anyway 09:24:23 I'm not sure why melded stuff should be ever displayed 09:24:35 so checking for that seems like an easier fix 09:24:53 (the tree form hack is still not nice, obviously) 09:26:47 they do handle weapons, not other equipment though 09:27:44 weapons show up only if the tile is small enough to not cover them 09:28:02 ie, a body in the middle with nothing on the sides 09:28:40 got it: fill_doll_equipment() checks for meldedness of weapon but not other gear 09:30:36 fixing 09:30:46 maybe transformed equipment should always be handled that way, instead of the hack with _transform_add_weapon 09:31:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:31:51 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:08 I don't quite understand why the weapon in lich form shows under the player tile, it's added after the lich tile in the same buffer 09:32:36 because all equipment does 09:32:43 not sure what's the reason for that 09:33:20 Napkin: regarding roctavian's mantis problem: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7343 09:33:44 Napkin: seems like people cant report bugs anymore 09:36:12 oh, because the transformed body tile gets a z coordinate of TILEP_PART_MAX and the weapon tile 0 09:42:28 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:39 -!- dcssrubot859 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:05 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2844-g2d626dd: Xandros is an undistribution, don't bother listing it. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d626dd73c59 09:44:05 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2845-g27d75b1: Properly heed meldedness of armour (all slots) in tiles. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=27d75b11f938 09:44:05 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2846-g4d1d7ae: Shave off tree beards (poor Fangorn...). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d1d7ae5ace4 09:49:01 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 09:52:58 hmm, seriously? I removed "Report an issue" permission for reporter by mistake? 09:53:12 i should stop using the mouse, i guess :-O 09:59:06 kilobyte: I'd actully prefer using the tree form way for statue and lich form also and removing the _transform_add_weapon stuff, any objections? 10:00:15 that way, we can show shields and hats on statues... only problem is that the lich tile isn't right for equipment 10:05:37 you're the only active person who does tile code, so I guess it's your kingdom now 10:06:30 and I don't have much clue about these parts anyway 10:11:15 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:11:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:07 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:42 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:12 kilobyte: should tree formed black draconians be able to fly? 10:15:13 (they also keep their wings on the tile) 10:15:39 lemme think... 10:16:48 -!- wHATEver is now known as Guest63203 10:17:53 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:18:16 treeformed tengu also apparently still fly 10:19:39 that dwarf in oots would be so afraid 10:19:50 flying trees 10:21:40 -!- eith has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- remyroy has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- Lasse- has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- Comradin has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- aditya has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- morik has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- Isvaffel has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- cbus has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- Xiberia has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- myp has quit [*.net *.split] 10:21:40 -!- xorp has quit [*.net *.split] 10:25:07 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:25:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:50 I don't think durkon is afraid of trees anymore... 10:28:53 too late, it's already pushed 10:29:35 he isnt? 10:29:52 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:08 hes more afraid of positive energy now... 10:32:10 spoiler 10:34:38 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2847-g7c889ac: Who's been feeding energy drinks, Red Bull in particular, to trees again? 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c889ac88c35 10:34:38 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-2848-g5504a08: Handle lich and statue form tiles the same way as tree form. 10(9 minutes ago, 4 files, 47+ 55-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5504a089ba5f 10:35:00 http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/vampire.htm doesn't say vampires are immune to fear (and these are rules Ruch Burlew follows). 10:35:55 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 10:36:03 as to how much personal belief changes, that's up to the writer 10:37:03 too bad, not many trees in a pyramid in the middle of a desert, so I guess there'll be staking before we get a chance to see trees :( 10:39:21 kilobyte: thank you~ 10:39:50 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:40:09 can you be resurrected after being vampirized in D&D? 10:40:22 kilobyte: undead are imune to fear 10:40:34 galehar: yes, but not with a simple REaise Dead spell 10:40:38 *Raise 10:41:46 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 10:42:49 oh crap, i havent read the last few comics 10:42:54 intriguing 10:45:51 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:06 so roy spent 400 strips dead 10:47:24 the chick lost her voice for about that long 10:47:34 V. turned evil and is still dealing with that 10:48:22 i suppose the only question now is which character he plays "break the cutie" with next: belkar or elan 10:49:20 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:49 Yred's Enslaved Souls cannot be recalled between levels with rest of player's pet undead by Andy 10:51:26 -!- myrmidette has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:51:42 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:59 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:56:16 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58:13 Thrall (L27 HOPr) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 177 failed. (D:2) 11:05:00 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-2849-gdb2b50e: #369 #3456 Mesmerisation applies -cTele 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db2b50e94ba3 11:05:00 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2850-g409b830: Constify. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=409b830e300b 11:06:00 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:45 -!- dcssrubot665 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:20 -!- voker57_ is now known as Voker57 11:19:25 -!- Voker57 has quit [Changing host] 11:20:36 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:21:40 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:51 Why is Control Teleport disabled if you are mesmerize 11:21:52 d 11:21:52 . 11:22:20 I nearly had a hilarious_death because I control-teleported with a siren near the kraken rune vault 11:22:27 "You cannot teleport from the siren" 11:22:37 Sounds good~ 11:24:16 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=369 11:24:27 as mentioned in the commit message 11:25:06 But it lets you controlled-blink toward the mesmeric target 11:25:22 And also permits you to random teleport by selecting the target itself as the point of teleportation 11:26:15 im not saying i agree, i just answered your question 11:26:44 Mmkay, thank you 11:31:00 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:52 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:33:24 -!- SaintWacko_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:35:19 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:32 -!- spriseris has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:05 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:05 -!- inspector071 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:28 -!- sinoth has quit [*.net *.split] 11:42:28 -!- Sizzell has quit [*.net *.split] 11:43:07 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:13 -!- syraine has left ##crawl-dev 11:51:52 !rm cTele 11:52:00 we need to industrialize our dev :) 11:52:38 MarvinPA already outsourced that patch to me :p 11:53:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:56:18 there's too much removal to be done, MarvinPA can't keep up anymore :) 11:57:05 sometimes he commits my ruins without crediting me, it is truly slave labour 11:57:13 I'm not sure he's ever removed anything all by himself! 11:57:25 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:57:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:59 * kilobyte whispers to elliott: halflings 12:00:35 halflings are an endangered species, could never get a permit to cull them 12:01:31 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:01:54 but murdering poor endangered critters is so manly! 12:03:48 what with traps? 12:05:11 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-11-g28dacbe 12:13:24 -!- cbus_ is now known as cbus 12:15:02 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:14 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2850-g409b830 (34) 12:19:41 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 12:22:30 -!- syraine has quit [] 12:26:46 -!- residualshade has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:28:08 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20121208085021]] 12:31:09 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:36 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38:30 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:40:02 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:13 -!- fdel has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:42:48 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:42:50 -!- dcssrubot82 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:59 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:21 elliott: If MarvinPA outsourced that patch to you, why do we need to pester MarvinPA again? I forget 12:47:38 we pester MarvinPA because that is the way the universe should be 12:47:49 can you imagine a world without pestering MarvinPA? 12:51:25 elliott: I can, but it is not a thought one entertains willingly 12:52:49 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:30 did I mention that zotdef still uses traps and the cTele mutation? 12:56:03 ctele patch handles zotdef 12:56:27 incomplete traps patch also leaves mechanical traps around for use in zotdef and (for now) vaults, it's just about traps skill and random mechanical trap generation (and I should really get around to finishing it... maybe today) 12:57:47 it's pointless to remove mechanical traps but leave the Traps skill 12:58:02 doh, I'm blind 12:58:17 well, it removes random mechanical traps and the traps skill -- just not from vaults, since vault review of mechanical traps is a large job that I'm not fit for 12:59:07 How will detecting zot traps work after traps skill is removed? 13:00:26 yeah, zotdef doesn't really need traps skill as long as the player can still defuse traps 13:01:04 hmm, so zotdef relies on disarming? 13:01:17 does it rely on retrieving the ammo from disarming? 13:01:50 well, okay, I guess it doesn't quite rely on it, but I think it ought to be possible so they can be replaced? 13:01:58 kryft: current plan per elliptic is to remove trap detection (proposals like using dex and so on for trap detection don't seem very compelling, since raising those things to catch traps isn't very interesting, and a constant chance of detecting a trap is pointless -- you can just place fewer traps) 13:01:58 why would you ever disarm traps in zotdef? 13:02:00 I'm not that good at zotdef though 13:02:05 but it's not hard to change that 13:02:37 so, probably listen to kilobyte instead of me 13:03:06 I guess replacing traps sounds reasonable (does zotdef not let you place traps on top of existing ones or something?) 13:03:24 that's another idea 13:03:56 elliott: So basically everyone will just occasionally randomly stumble into zot traps? 13:04:01 I did remove disarming in the WIP patch since it was an awful lot of code just to keep mechanical traps on life support, and disarming traps for ammo is annoying 13:04:10 but maybe it needs to stay for zotdef 13:04:43 kryft: and teleport traps, shafts, etc 13:04:51 I think "allow overwriting traps" would be fine instead 13:04:51 elliptic: Yeah 13:04:56 kryft: well zot traps aren't very common, and there are already people who play without training traps skill at all... though I personally feel zot traps are more interesting when invoked by monsters and think perhaps pre-revealing them would be a good idea, there's disagreement about this 13:05:03 but traps skill sucking is agreed on :P 13:05:14 also maybe some kind of ammo requisitioning ability ... 13:05:31 and little is worse than a magic number you can get for trap immunity, so I'm not too worried (outside of hall_of_zot and tomb perhaps) 13:05:32 randomly stumbling into teleport traps or shafts _is_ fun (although it can make you angry), as it leads to interesting situations 13:05:45 getting eight bad mutations out of the blue is not 13:05:46 elliott: Yeah, traps skill is certainly silly 13:06:08 kilobyte: Yes, that's mainly what I was thinking of 13:06:26 well, how else are people supposed to get mutations ;P 13:06:32 some zot trap effects are not that bad, even banishment 13:06:35 certainly zot trap effects could use some work though 13:06:44 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:06:48 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 13:06:50 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:01 that's sort of independent from this patch IMO though 13:08:07 can you stumble on a shaft but not fall through it? 13:08:15 elliptic: eating sky beast, duh 13:08:46 one other issue with traps that is already present but will become clearer if traps skill is removed: it will become optimal to remember which squares you have stepped on and try to retrace your steps when possible 13:09:01 not sure what the best solution is really 13:09:29 that's not actually optimal in general 13:09:50 I mean when walking through a room... lots of path that you can take 13:09:53 only when it doesn't involve going far out of your way 13:10:18 that all take the same amount of time but touch different squares 13:10:28 here's a proposal: no random zot traps outside of hall_of_zot, and they're pre-revealed there, so an exclusively positioning-type effect with the monsters inside ... and then tweak bad effects if necessary 13:10:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:10:55 since I tend to agree that randomly running into a glow or banish trap is boring, and restricting zot traps to zot makes thematic sense 13:11:25 pre-revealed traps are meh 13:11:44 surely running into a glow trap occasionally is less boring than never running into one at all 13:11:48 +1 to no pre-revealed traps other than shafts and perhaps teleports 13:11:51 not sure what this usage of "boring" is 13:12:07 "infuriating", sure 13:12:31 what purpose does that fury serve? 13:12:37 but forcing people to occasionally play with five bad mutations (minus whatever they can cure) has some interest 13:12:53 elliptic: well if you only reveal zot traps byr unning into them then also monster invocation suffers 13:13:06 since you might well not step on most of them in hall_of_zot, reducing the monster invocation positioning threat 13:13:14 kilobyte: having mutations exist in the game before orbs of fire / pandemonium 13:13:16 elliott: that's another benefit 13:14:40 what, monsters can't trip them? 13:14:57 / abyss I guess, I don't know how common neqoxecs are there now 13:15:23 elliptic: same as before, only skeletal warriors have been removed 13:15:25 but the point is that it is actually quite interesting when someone gets teleportitis or berserkitis or whatever from a trap 13:15:59 kilobyte: well, there are tons of new monsters... that had to make some of the existing monsters less common 13:16:44 anyway I like having zot traps long before zot... we have runes of zot long before zot, after all 13:16:53 if some of the effects are over the top, we can change that 13:16:54 I wonder, what about something that forces the player onto the mutation roulette but without being bad nearly all the time? (Obviously, it should be not abusable) 13:17:28 e.g. replace 15 glow by 7 glow, etc 13:19:55 could alternatively/also have a zot trap effect that directly gives a random mutation (good or bad) 13:20:11 wouldn't be scummable if zot trap effects are sufficiently bad on the whole 13:20:42 we could make all traps one-shot, too 13:21:35 or multi-shot (but finite) 13:24:36 -!- inspector071 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:24:39 currently I guess zot traps literally just take a random severity 3 miscast effect 13:31:01 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:23 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:34:59 -!- dcssrubot178 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:38:59 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 13:43:24 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48:14 -!- formerairline has quit [] 13:50:16 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 13:51:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:31 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:01 -!- phyphor_ is now known as phyphor 14:18:13 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:18 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:24:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:10 -!- mgq has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:34:13 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:09 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:36:36 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:08 -!- rast3 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:20 what would happen if a player gained 53+ abilities? 14:40:09 -!- mgq has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:15 since there are only 52 lower+uppercase letters 14:40:34 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:40 i doubt that is even possible 14:40:45 i think you can't use the 53rd one 14:40:50 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:10 possibly in zotdef but i dunno 14:42:37 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: Quitte] 14:44:03 <|amethyst> I'd be kind of surprised if it worked as well as "you can't use the 53rd one" 14:44:27 <|amethyst> more likely it would hit an assert, or maybe just overflow an array 14:48:38 overflowing memory does great things, too 14:56:15 get the orb of zot into your inventory by assigning your 52 abilities carefully and then getting another 14:59:50 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:04 -!- dcssrubot160 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:57 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:07:49 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:48 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:24:39 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:24:58 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:27:00 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:03 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:30:07 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 15:30:19 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 15:34:13 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37:33 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37:58 -!- Scherzo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:48 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:39:13 -!- kaiserfro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:44:14 -!- clinew has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:46:21 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:52:58 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 15:57:24 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 15:57:24 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:59:57 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:04:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:05:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:15:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:20 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:35 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:15 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:43 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:09 -!- dcssrubot71 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:50 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:59 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:56 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:07:18 -!- rkd has quit [] 17:08:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:33 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:11:33 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 17:12:41 -!- rast3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13:05 -!- clinew has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:15:55 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:26 uh, are regular pan demons supposed to spawn on holypan? 17:16:32 I just found a cacodemon 17:18:24 it is doing construction work for them, digging 17:18:46 what about the reaper 17:19:20 it is reaping 17:27:21 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:53 huh, mikee submitted another weird monster desc on transifex. I wonder if it's a joke or something. 17:27:56 https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/dcss/translate/#en/monsters/4331872?key=frances 17:36:08 "Sign in" 17:36:43 Her robe is rent from top to bottom with little tears and scorch marks - one particularly large scorch mark on her back in the shape of a hand. She looks around wildly, but when she notices you watching, her eyes harden and she rises to her feet. "Where is Francis?" she cries, over and over. "Where is Francis?" 17:51:29 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 17:57:17 -!- NightSkies has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:02:36 -!- Kalir is now known as GiantOwl 18:02:55 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:49 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 18:04:14 -!- dcssrubot890 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:26 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:14:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:57 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:08 -!- kaiserfro has quit [] 18:30:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:30 well, I guess like for Frederick, it is inconsistent with speech and it lacks of mention of the scare 18:37:08 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:09 -!- jeanjacques_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:37:24 -!- Nicksvaffel is now known as Isvaffel 18:39:45 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:39:54 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:40:26 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:41:11 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:58 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:22 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 18:48:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:24 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:53:41 -!- PsyMar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:39 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:05:15 legendary deck of cards by BONGHITZ 19:07:08 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:08:15 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:14:55 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:22:11 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:29 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 19:25:34 03Translators 07* 0.12-a0-2851-g0cdd52e: [Transifex] Fix a russian quote. 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cdd52e8ffc2 19:25:34 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-2852-g5ab0aaf: Replace an hypen by a dash. 10(72 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ab0aaf0e995 19:25:34 03Translators 07* 0.12-a0-2853-g47e83e4: [Transifex] Sync. 10(12 minutes ago, 48 files, 6711+ 471-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47e83e495290 19:26:33 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:41 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:27:24 -!- Insomniak`` has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:29:48 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:48 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:50 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:50 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:07 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 19:30:50 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:31:16 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:43 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:53 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:34:20 -!- dcssrubot759 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:54 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:34:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:42 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2854-g5cf8fcc: Make vitrified tombs timeout the same as normal tombs 10(89 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cf8fccbb1de 19:35:42 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2855-g2d18c1f: Properly recall Yred enslaved souls from off-level 10(12 minutes ago, 3 files, 20+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d18c1fe75c8 19:35:42 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2856-g1d47a1f: Remove an unused function declaration 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d47a1fe4813 19:36:02 -!- edlinfan has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:38:52 -!- greensnark has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:39:00 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:16 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:27 Well, this is always nice. Twice in a row today now, an edge-case bug with interlevel recall has occured to me, yet when I went to test, I found that my implementation already somehow handled it correctly >.> 19:44:29 !tell elliptic Regarding that autotravel thing, it only tries to path through temporary obsctructions if there are no other paths, so as to minimize jumping back and forth. Possibly this could be adjusted? 19:44:30 DracoOmega: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 19:45:38 DracoOmega: no, I don't mean that sort of thing happened 19:45:38 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:46:01 DracoOmega: autoexplore failed to completely explore the level because of an ancient freezing cloud 19:46:31 as in, it stopped with the usual message about not being able to get anywhere 19:46:34 ...really? And the path to that old freezing cloud was accessible? 19:46:37 er, everywhere 19:46:56 and then I went manually back to the freezing cloud to clear it and then it worked 19:46:57 Because I tested clouds in corridors several times like that 19:47:48 Did you only notice this once, or repeatedly? 19:48:15 -!- quazi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:49:03 only once... will see if I can reproduce it now 19:49:12 -!- yogaFLAME is now known as yogaFLAME_ 19:50:53 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2857-g175e717: Fix indentation. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=175e71791395 19:51:18 -!- yogaFLAME_ is now known as yogaFLAME 19:51:52 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [] 19:52:46 DracoOmega: oh, this was while worshipping ash, so there was some passive mapping going on 19:53:26 that seems like a plausibly relevant extra piece of data 19:53:33 Hmmm... yeah, it might be 19:53:52 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:54:02 I am not immediately sure how, but it seems plausible 19:55:21 I can't reproduce it easily, hm 19:55:34 I should have copied the save then 19:55:45 Yeah, I was just about to ask if you could do so next time, if you run into it again 19:55:48 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:59:59 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:04:31 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:10:12 -!- moohaus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:25:55 DracoOmega: oh, by the way, there was one thing about the interlevel recall that didn't feel great to me (though in general it worked well and I'm not sure how to fix this) 20:26:28 DracoOmega: I often found myself intentionally trying to break LoS with my permaallies 20:26:33 so that I could recall them 20:26:52 Oh, hmmm... 20:27:11 maybe you should just be allowed to recall them? 20:27:22 Well, possibly it could not skip allies in sight of you and draw them closer anyway? 20:27:38 Though, at present, this would mean it could take longer for out of LoS allies to show up, while it shuffles nearby ones 20:27:52 (There are ways to tweak that, though) 20:27:56 yeah, I was worrying about shuffling nearby ones and such 20:28:00 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:28:19 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 20:30:03 Perhaps it would be good enough just to ignore the LoS check, and accept the fact that this means that nearby allies could delay the arrival of further ones, since that means that nearby ones are probably stronger anyway 20:30:27 Or maybe change 'in LoS' to 'within 2-3 sqaures of you' 20:31:04 fr: some means of 2-3 tile radius LOS... 20:31:07 So that it wouldn't try to shuffle things that are already quite close to you, while letting you pull in things that are closer to the edge of your LoS 20:31:22 -!- vimpulse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:24 Grunt: Well, just check if they're close, and then test LoS to their location 20:31:55 DracoOmega: I mean this completely independently of recall :b 20:32:46 Well, you can do it similarly for just about any function that would care, no? In fact, can't radius_iterator or something take both a radius and an LoS function, and thus do both at the same time? 20:33:56 I'm not being serious at all here, for the record. :b 20:34:04 Oh, I shall be quiet then :P 20:35:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:54 -!- Risthel has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Bate-papo confortável em qualquer lugar.] 20:36:54 -!- dieseltime has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:07 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:38:43 On a different note, what do people think about making alarm traps apply a mark to the player? (possibly shorter in duration than when sentinels do it) 20:39:02 Since currently stepping on one feels fairly inconsequential in most cases, I think 20:39:18 does getting a mark immediately wake up all monsters on the level? 20:39:21 No 20:39:24 Doesn't wake anything 20:39:29 It just informs awake stuff of where you are 20:39:32 IMO make alarm traps 10x louder or something 20:39:40 in that case it seems pretty different from alarm traps 20:39:47 I meant in ADDITION to the noise 20:39:49 oh 20:39:52 okay then :) 20:40:09 So that stuff the alarm wakes up would be better at quickly finding you 20:40:18 Instead of perhaps just shuffling around in a not-so-threatening way 20:40:43 -!- dieseltime has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:01 And they're already magical traps, it seems (the tile could use changing though, since they have always looked mechanical there) 20:41:27 better check this stuff in console 20:41:45 Like, they look like a fire alarm with a bell 20:42:32 fire alarms are pretty magical IMO 20:42:37 Haha 20:42:45 They magically know the worst possible time to go off? 20:42:50 mechanical traps are pretty magic too 20:42:55 anything I don't understand is at least 72% magic 20:43:01 * Grunt throws axes at elliott. 20:43:06 Magic! 20:43:38 UM Grunt axe traps DON'T EXIST 20:43:54 things that don't exist being used against me is at least a 123.4% magic situation 20:44:05 You don't exist. Go away. 20:44:06 :D 20:44:46 elliptic: Was that 'okay then :)' in the way of suggesting that you think it's an idea worth trying, by the way? 20:45:03 yeah 20:45:05 did elliott just turn into ulillillia 20:45:19 what is your compatability with magic 20:49:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:23 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:33 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:58:45 -!- Thalfon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:04:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:25 -!- dcssrubot595 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:38 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:06:43 -!- Krakhan has quit [] 21:06:55 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 21:07:41 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:08:20 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13:07 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:14:44 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:48 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:55 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:57 !seen mumra 21:15:57 I last saw mumra at Wed Mar 20 00:59:59 2013 UTC (1h 15m 58s ago) quitting with message 'Ping timeout: 260 seconds'. 21:16:13 !tell mumra How are your layouts? I'd love to merge them. 21:16:14 bh: OK, I'll let mumra know. 21:16:49 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2858-g2435545: Make alarm traps mark the player, slightly increase noise level 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=243554520732 21:16:49 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2859-g855fd10: Allow recall to move monsters in LoS closer to the caster 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=855fd100df82 21:21:01 <|amethyst> It may have been suggested in the scrollback, but what about a convocation trap? 21:21:21 Hmmm... I know shadow creatures traps have been mentioned a few tims 21:22:00 <|amethyst> I guess it could be abusable if it generates in a safe-ish part of a dangerous level 21:22:08 <|amethyst> corridors in Snake:5 for example 21:22:18 <|amethyst> shadow creatures wouldn't have that problem 21:22:27 Well, probably it would be one-shotif it's recalling things instead of summoning them 21:22:37 <|amethyst> true 21:22:48 Since an infinite recall in a safe place is pretty bad 21:23:30 I certainly think either that or a shadow creatures trap is more interesting than many of the traps we have now, certainly 21:23:51 (Though I've seen it argued that zot traps already do this. Well, which they kind of do, but also do a bazillion other things) 21:23:53 -!- MP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26:02 Oh, speaking of shadow creatures though. I had thought a while back that scrolls of unholy creation might be better as scrolls of shadow creatures or something. Because at present they feel useful only if you get them incredibly early and are otherwise barely worth using (more trouble to drag the thing around than it is to just not bother, mostly) 21:26:20 Whereas those might actually be tempting to keep and use at some point 21:26:24 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:28:48 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:29:26 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:31:44 <|amethyst> hm... wouldn't want them to be so useless early on though 21:32:06 Well, currently they are close to useless for the majority of the game, I think 21:32:26 <|amethyst> true 21:32:27 Unlike most scrolls that are ever useful at all 21:33:00 And possibly it could count as, say, more than one cast of shadow creatures or something 21:33:38 I mean, they WERE called 'scrolls of summoning' for a long while :P 21:37:00 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:37:22 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:39:44 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:39:56 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42:23 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:48:23 -!- dcssrubot887 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:50:17 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:50:37 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:25 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:42 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:54:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:57:16 03kilobyte 07[mon-pick] * 0.12-a0-2434-g630cb13: Rewrite zombie selection. 10(28 minutes ago, 5 files, 135+ 105-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=630cb1327710 22:05:21 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 22:10:53 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:20:18 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:48 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:29:41 -!- ruwin has quit [] 22:31:02 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:59 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:39:26 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:42:42 -!- chukamok has quit [Client Quit] 22:44:07 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0a2/20130318042013]] 22:44:55 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:21 -!- chukamok has quit [Client Quit] 22:49:30 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52:19 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:00 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:21 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:00:03 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:02:03 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: -a-] 23:04:23 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:28 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:14 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:26 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:19:04 I wonder, how zombie selection should work? Because after my fixes, as a side effect, the list of allowed monsters is sharply limited. 23:19:04 kilobyte: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:19:38 the worst case being Hells:7, as the only eligible monsters are ice, shadow and iron dragons 23:19:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:19:59 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 23:21:26 i would use scrolls of summoning if they semi-reliably gave me a couple of dudes to act as meatshields 23:21:49 like... summon 1d2+1d3 common demons 23:22:38 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:21 that sounds powerful early, meh late 23:24:59 well, i doubt there's a way to make it useful at all times 23:25:24 -!- Villadelfia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:25:25 Well, one of the benefits of shadow creatures is that it scales based on depth 23:25:35 Though presumably even if it was just demons, something similar could be done 23:25:47 shadow creatures is okay but has the problem that frequently you get like 23:25:48 a rat 23:26:17 DracoOmega: +1 for making scrolls of unholy creation act as multiple casts of shadow creatures instead of the silly abom 23:26:36 perhaps even shadow creatures that last longer than two turns 23:26:42 if it was multiple casts that'd be neat 23:26:42 something like 2d2 shadow creatures 23:26:54 kilobyte: early game they last much longer than two turns 23:26:58 duration depends on strength 23:26:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:25 (or rather, on HD) 23:27:59 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:27 have we ever thought about just having "zombies" 23:28:35 instead of every monster in the game zombies 23:30:41 zombie zombies 23:30:46 The scroll version could always get a little duration boost too, perhaps, though it mightn't be necessary 23:30:48 xombies. 23:33:03 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:30 Depth-dependant demons also sounds interesting, but perhaps more work to balance properly and shadow creatures already exists 23:35:23 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:37:15 kilobyte: there was some support for not spawning skeletons/zombies randomly at all in most branches, I think 23:43:56 elliott: what do you mean? 23:44:17 as in, no skeleton spawns in D etc.; evilmike brought it up a while ago 23:44:21 Yes, certainly random skeletons in places like Vaults feel a little questionable 23:44:38 But I'm not so sure about a more general removal though 23:45:16 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:45:41 the old code was buggy beyond belief, but what it _tried_ to do was generating zombies with base monsters of depth + 4 23:48:27 WebTiles mini health/magic bars are not shown when in a different form by Medar 23:53:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:55:38 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:43 -!- SetecAstronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]