00:00:00 well the princess one is supposed to be an elf, but i mean 00:00:13 elves aren't visually distinctive really 00:00:17 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:08 i'm also missing trolls and ogres 00:01:24 and draconians i think? 00:02:13 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:26 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:49 So I'm apparently an idiot. 00:03:42 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:03:46 ? 00:03:47 I grabbed the stable 11.2 source from the website, compiled it... and of course it won't run. 00:04:35 how many years in the future is THAT from? 00:04:48 There they are. I needed a new pull from git. 00:05:05 I'm thinking this is because it's my first time not using Windows to do it. 00:05:27 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2685-g2d71a0a (34) 00:06:15 Giomancer: so I'm guessing you're not on Linux? 00:06:22 Cannot find data file 'defaults/autopickup_exceptions.txt <- that's the error I get. 00:06:34 I'm using a Mageia distro 00:06:47 Giomancer: your init.txt might be messed up 00:06:52 (i.e. old) 00:06:59 try emptying it 00:07:13 Hm. I'll try that. 00:11:21 No dice. 00:11:33 same error? interesting 00:11:58 From the message, it seems that it can't see the directory. 00:12:01 is this the first time you're building it? or are you building over an old build? 00:12:02 wouldn't it be ~/.crawlrc that was stale? 00:12:10 oh 00:12:14 yeah, what SamB said 00:12:16 First time build. 00:12:24 you're on linux 00:12:34 (or mac, same deal) 00:13:07 hm. 00:13:35 basically it's trying to load a file which used to get included, but now doesn't 00:13:45 and thus no longer exists 00:15:52 oy vey 00:16:03 That's not stable. =/ 00:16:22 hah 00:16:46 well... i am a little mystified, since this would be a problem if you'd had a crawl install previously 00:16:56 but since you didn't uh 00:17:21 i'm not really sure 00:18:36 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 00:21:42 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 00:23:56 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:49 -!- timbw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:32 -!- Swagmaster has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:28:34 -!- infiniplex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:29:45 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 00:30:45 -!- joosa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:55 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:02 well. 00:32:08 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:32:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:32:39 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:55 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 00:33:25 I think I know what's up. 00:33:49 Pretty sure it's my fault. Let you know in a bit. 00:38:46 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:23 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:53:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53:06 -!- dcssrubot897 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:28 -!- madSimon has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:59:09 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:42 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:01:59 Giomancer: i keep getting a bunch of 'cannot find data file' errors when i start crawl, but it's completely random and sometimes starts fine 01:02:04 this is on windows 8 64bit 01:02:27 but for me it's usually .des or .lua files it can't find 01:03:21 AHA 01:03:34 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 01:03:57 Well, it was my fault. I moved the folder containing crawl after I built it. That is, apparently, bad. 01:05:18 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:06:12 mumra: Similar issue, I think, but I don't know if the solution would be the same 01:06:50 i think it's something screwy with windows file permissions 01:06:55 which windows version do you have? 01:07:02 I don't. 01:07:05 -!- BOOPYPUTT has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:07:40 -!- Boopy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:07:42 ah i didn't see "not using" 01:08:11 xD 01:08:13 Hapens 01:08:17 +p 01:12:27 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 01:14:12 -!- reu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:21:13 I don't get permissions problems, and I've got a limited user even if I am on XP ... 01:21:40 i didn't get any problems with windows 7, only since win 8 upgrade 01:21:57 and i haven't found anyone else yet who has win 8 who also plays crawl to find out if it's just me or not 01:21:58 -!- Substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:24 I used to get some from tilegen, though 01:23:24 before I re-implemented a function in MSVCRT that was trying to stick temporary files at the root of the filesystem, where I haven't write access 01:25:17 I've been getting particular errors about files missing, but also sometimes crawl just randomly freezes on startup and i get the "this program has encountered a problem" message 01:25:44 i tried giving permissions to "everyone" on the crawl folder and that's stopped the missing file messages but not the crashes 01:27:08 I guess permissions are simpler here; most everything runs with the same token, which has no superpowers at all ... 01:28:10 (I mean, obviously services don't use that token. Also most chrome processes, since they're sandboxed ...) 01:32:09 I'm under the impression that the permission/priviledge handling has been getting more and more complicated started with Vista ... 01:32:39 Vista, I hear, actually made sense though 01:46:00 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:21 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:53 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:05:19 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:12:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:13:17 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 02:16:42 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:16:42 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:04 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Quit: -a-] 02:23:12 -!- dcssrubot77 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:13 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:32:32 -!- cocofalco has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:57 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:47:07 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:49:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:56:11 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:09:54 -!- vadatajs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12:05 -!- justintimber has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:23:28 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 03:23:54 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:32 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30:41 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:52 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:34:12 -!- dcssrubot634 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:35:19 -!- clinew has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:35:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:26 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:55:14 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:57:57 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:18:50 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:42 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:41:31 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:37 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:58:13 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 05:05:02 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:30 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:13:05 -!- dcssrubot287 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:51 Map cursor fixes for WebTiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6771) by Medar 05:26:44 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:32:10 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:44 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:36:48 -!- dcssrubot38 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:37:10 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:44:30 -!- eb has quit [] 05:54:11 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:01:02 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06:10 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:10:28 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:13:29 -!- nonethousand has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14:50 -!- Merope has quit [Client Quit] 06:16:17 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:30:20 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 06:34:11 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:16 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:37:37 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:30 -!- __jpmorg1n has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:29 -!- bhaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:46 -!- caracal has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- codile has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- Insomniak has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- Vehementi has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- freefall has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- jefkin has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- Sabaki_|2 has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:46 -!- pantaril has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:47 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:47 -!- Gilly has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:47 -!- cptwinky has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:47 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:47 -!- __jpmorgan has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:47 -!- twzt has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:47 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 06:45:09 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:36 -!- Insomniak has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:05 -!- bhaak_ is now known as bhaak 07:00:08 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 07:02:32 SamB, mumra: that's why I moved all files that need to be written to into %APPDATA%/crawl, much to jpeg's chagrin. And that's indeed a place most users are not used to, but one Microsoft recommends. 07:02:57 so permission errors shouldn't happen. Since they do, I or someone else must have done a boo-boo. 07:03:29 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:12 right, that explains why it doesn't happen with an installed version 07:04:55 although the error here seems to be when reading files, not when writing 07:08:00 on a built-from-source version everything goes in the source tree, not in %APPDATA% 07:08:23 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 07:08:38 so i guess the problem could be when writing the des cache, just surfacing as a read error 07:09:09 kilobyte: hi, did you see my ping yesterday? 07:16:41 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:28 -!- Substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:25:03 ChrisOelmueller: I tried it, but sadly it makes things uglier whenever there's enough vaults on a level to not fit in a line, and that's a frequent occurence. 07:26:14 i considered indenting up to the level name instead of a fixed two spaces in that case, but that might very well lose an additional eight columns for some longer ones 07:26:32 might look better though? 07:29:55 possibly, yeah 07:32:28 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:40 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:38:35 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:41:32 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:42:11 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:31 looks pretty bad, unless we'd force it into fixed-width columns 07:45:09 I mean, extending "D:1" to the switdh of "Spider:5" (IIRC the widest one) 07:47:00 yeah that would be the eight columns 07:48:15 70 columns probably still better on average than a newline and 78 07:49:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:32 getting to 71 if omitting the last colon of Spider:5: 07:49:54 -!- TacoPrincess has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 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13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b7f2cffdcfe 12:17:38 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-2687-gac82319: Update the tutorial french translation. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 81+ 113-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac823195195c 12:17:46 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2685-g2d71a0a (34) 12:17:57 well, at any rate, procmon lets you see all the file accesses and result codes ... 12:18:21 ??Cheibriados 12:18:22 [1/8]: The Slow God! Gives piety for killing things faster than you, and slows you down as you gain piety. 12:18:28 ??Cheibriados[$ 12:18:29 [8/8]: flyingpants: i accidentally raised charms to like 19 before i remembered i can't cast haste as a chei follower 12:18:39 you can see the type of errors i'm getting on the mantis issue: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6551 12:18:52 * SamB wonders where the source for Cheibriados is ... 12:19:00 (the bot, not the god) 12:19:18 it appears to be a read error (but i wonder if it's failing to build the cache due to a write error so the fail is actually on cache read) 12:19:40 one possibility i should investigate is whether it's actually the tortoisegit ui causing blocking 12:20:26 SamB: url = http://s-z.org/neil/git/cheibriados.git 12:20:37 procmon would let you see each file that crawl attempted to open 12:21:04 and, if it failed, what failure code was returned 12:21:11 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:49 ChrisOelmueller: thanks 12:22:33 -!- cbus_ is now known as cbus 12:23:48 -!- W00t_ is now known as Guest16701 12:23:54 ophanim (L27 DsFi) (Abyss:4) 12:26:33 * SamB verifies that HexChat handles like he thinks it does ... 12:30:59 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:04 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:06 -!- dcssrubot515 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:22 |amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/241260/ would make the mantis links work better in X-Chat/HexChat 12:33:28 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 12:33:42 -!- Sticking has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:53:32 Thrall's mantis comments read like zen koans or beat poetry or something 12:55:54 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:29 SamB: tmpsomething in rltiles? IIRC you patched it (as a separate file), then I simplified the build system by putting your code inline. 12:57:48 <3 12:57:54 kilobyte: oh, is that what happened 12:59:01 is it broken again? 12:59:05 no, no 12:59:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:00:26 I was just saying that the %APPDATA% stuff was totally unrelated to that 13:02:43 build vs runtime 13:03:54 I don't use Windows myself, and don't test stuff beyond brief install/start/kill a monster/save/reload/die runs, so it's possible there exists some configuration that breaks 13:04:49 tevius (L3 DECj) ERROR in 'beam.cc' at line 1121: beam::hit_wall yet not solid: floor (D:3) 13:05:06 I mean, I test every major version of Windows (2k, XP, Vista, 7, 8), but they're regular installs without anything fancy 13:09:06 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:57 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:22:40 -!- volteccer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:26:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:38:24 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 13:38:38 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:12 -!- Guest16701 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43:51 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:01 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:12 -!- dcssrubot652 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:48 Does Elyvilon's divine protection ability intended to using food cost? (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6772) by TannedBear 14:14:12 -!- geedmat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:13 -!- Merope has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:13 -!- canibal has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:13 -!- Chadul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:37 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:52 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16:00 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 14:17:53 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:21:48 why does the hunger check in abl-show.cc:activate_talent() just check if the player is starving, regardless of whether the ability has nonzero food_cost (but is skipped entirely for a hard-coded list of abilities)? 14:25:20 <- seeing delayed update of http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/ 14:29:21 SamB: well abilities in general are supposed to be unusable while starving, spells are the same even if they're hungerless 14:29:22 MarvinPA: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:29:29 there are just some special exceptions 14:29:38 ah 14:29:39 last update on 2013-03-10 22:43:41, i guess 14:30:57 !tell |amethyst http://paste.debian.net/241260/ would make the mantis links work better in X-Chat/HexChat 14:30:57 SamB: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 14:31:43 i guess it's kinda weird because the abilities that used to be prayers (ely protection included) used to work while starving since they weren't actual abilities 14:32:02 give us more special cases not indicated in the gui 14:32:07 but i think it's probably better to be consistent and treat them like most other abilities now 14:32:17 (which ones work while starving?) 14:32:52 -!- spriseris has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:33:03 -!- spriseris_ is now known as spriseris 14:33:32 renounce religion, stop flying/invisibleing/transforming/reskilling, delayed fireball, zin vitalisation, mummy restoration, vampire batform/bottle blood 14:34:09 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:35:28 no renouncing religion while starving would be rgeat 14:35:31 also great 14:35:40 MarvinPA: good mummy restoration 14:35:47 i use that while starving all the time 14:36:02 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:36:41 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:36:49 -!- SaintWacko_ is now known as SaintWacko 14:38:16 <|amethyst> SamB: /lastlog Cheibriados 30 14:38:16 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:38:18 <|amethyst> doh 14:38:24 <|amethyst> SamB: good idea 14:39:10 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:10 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 14:39:10 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 14:42:24 okay delayed fireball doesn't need it imo 14:42:35 no idea about transformations 14:44:55 delayed fireball seems like the only weird one to me there, yeah 14:47:26 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:47:31 -!- oberstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:14 -!- spriseris has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:51:19 -!- spriseris_ is now known as spriseris 14:51:34 probably those abilities should have a flag and be specially indicated along with the cost? 14:52:05 or yeah, just treat them consistantly with the others ... 14:54:01 -!- Comradin_ is now known as Comradin 14:54:20 -!- halv has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:56:03 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:18 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 15:18:59 -!- ark___ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:37 03st_ 07* 0.12-a0-2688-g5a44a75: meatsprint changes 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 37+ 38-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a44a75e36d7 15:19:37 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2689-g3ca4496: Don't give Lugonu piety for kills in the Abyss 10(10 hours ago, 3 files, 40+ 14-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ca44964a9cc 15:19:37 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2690-g95ccd47: Remove maxhp and mp costs for Lugonu's Enter the Abyss 10(10 hours ago, 4 files, 11+ 23-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95ccd477dd8f 15:20:31 did_god_conduct(DID_BANISH, hit_dice, true /*possibly wrong*/, this); 15:20:44 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:20:53 -!- Krag has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:53 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:24:56 -!- geedmat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:31:17 -!- dcssrubot652 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:49 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 15:35:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:44 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:30 !tell galehar Thanks for the tutorial updates. It's fine for the second level of the first lesson to be a bit empty, it's about the stairs anyway. 15:41:31 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let galehar know. 15:42:22 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42:58 MarvinPA: hooray! 15:43:18 Now go get Pacra to put AKs through their paces again :b 15:48:41 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:50 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:49:09 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 15:55:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:55 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:31 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:58:18 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:58:41 Keskitalo: you're welcome :) 15:58:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:58:48 !seen kilobyte 15:58:48 I last saw kilobyte at Tue Mar 12 18:05:07 2013 UTC (2h 53m 41s ago) saying 'I mean, I test every major version of Windows (2k, XP, Vista, 7, 8), but they're regular installs without anything fancy' on ##crawl-dev. 15:59:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:59:01 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:59:16 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 16:00:02 Hi galehar! 16:00:09 kilobyte: any idea why I have to put 2 empty lines to get one in tutorial entries? Like tutorial5 exit for example 16:00:17 Hi Grunt! 16:04:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:00 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08:45 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:15:55 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:17:16 -!- ark___ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18:37 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:10 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:34 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:45:36 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:47:07 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:48:33 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 16:52:37 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:58:14 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:23 -!- dcssrubot282 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:28 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:53 -!- bhaak is now known as nicht_stenno 17:03:01 -!- nicht_stenno is now known as bhaak 17:07:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:07:56 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:05 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 17:09:28 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:42 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:54 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:06 -!- Tekkuni has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:20:28 -!- LordLovebone has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:30 !tell kilobyte any idea why I have to put 2 empty lines to get one in tutorial entries? Like tutorial5 exit for example 17:25:31 galehar: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 17:26:12 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:30 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:29:55 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:04 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:38:16 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:00 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:13 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:46:54 -!- ldf has quit [] 17:49:01 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:38 -!- nicolae- has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:09:06 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:13:45 -!- faz is now known as faz|afk 18:15:36 -!- dcssrubot919 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:32 -!- dcssrubot628 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:09 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:27 -!- dcssrubot185 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:01 -!- dcssrubot525 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:32 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:33:23 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:38 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:30 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:38:07 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:47 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:54 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:42:28 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-2691-gc2911e4: Fix formatting of tutorial translations. 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 80+ 216-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2911e4332d5 18:42:28 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-2692-ge6cba87: Transifex sync for some tutorial translations. 10(47 minutes ago, 3 files, 340+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6cba87ff71a 18:42:30 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:42:30 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 18:43:33 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:58 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:49:13 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:21 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:53:33 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:56:53 -!- Giomancer` has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:17 hm, maybe not here. 18:58:23 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:42 -!- Giomancer` has quit [Quit: Copywight 2007 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.] 19:06:06 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:07:45 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:07:45 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 19:14:10 -!- _dd has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:18:50 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:52 so it seems some kind of change crept into webtiles in the last month or so that makes it impossible for me even to watch games for more than a few seconds 19:27:28 the webtiles window just pegs the cpu and firefox stalls out, recognizing about one keypress every 30 seconds until webtiles is closed 19:28:05 this is ff20, so i guess the other possibility is that this was caused by a recent ff delta 19:28:45 -!- Hoothoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:28:56 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:02 -!- danbru has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:30:01 -!- eeviac has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:15 try chrome (altho it works fine for me in ff) 19:33:04 oh right you are on a beta version of ff? what did you expect ;) 19:33:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:34:26 yeah, it could just be that, just wondered if anyone else had seen the same thing 19:35:25 it seems like it may be related to switching away from the webtiles window; like there's some kind of queuing of all the events happening in that window while i'm not looking at it, until the whole thing just gets wedged 19:36:08 will try a different browser 19:37:06 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:46:49 -!- Ellick has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:47:43 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:56 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:51:31 -!- dcssrubot413 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:01 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:55:18 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:56:39 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 20:00:47 -!- Zifmia has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:02 -!- paxed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:07:10 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:19:25 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:21:43 -!- LordLovebone has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:57 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:07 finally got the bottom of the 'the abyss drowns me' bug 20:22:36 bh: are you going to drown the bug now? :b 20:23:20 Grunt: I haven't decided exactly how to fix it. 20:23:23 -!- Wazzap has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:23:31 easy fix make drowning in abyss send you to a deeper level 20:23:32 when the abyss morphs it checks is_feat_dangerous 20:23:57 If you're flying and your flight is expiring, deep water isn't dangerous. So it will happily put deep water or lava under you. 20:24:12 Then on a subsequent tick, before you can react, your flight expires 20:26:43 One solution is to just refuse to place liquids under the player 20:27:57 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 20:28:34 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:29:27 -!- QQQ is now known as gloop 20:29:50 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 20:30:03 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:55 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:39:36 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:07 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:44:19 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50:02 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:50 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:55:09 bh: my vote is that the abyss never changes the square you're standing on 20:56:19 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:13 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:54 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:00 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:33 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:18:33 -!- Xiberia_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:36 -!- dcssrubot897 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:58 -!- inpho has quit [Client Quit] 21:29:02 ontoclasm: the downside of not shifting the square the player is standing on is that it increases the rate of entombment 21:34:07 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:35:06 bh: how about refuse to leave the player atop (deadly) liquids? 21:35:13 whoever changed poly wands is the new #1 best dev 21:35:20 (shallow water doesn't count) 21:35:23 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:35:45 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:35:57 (I mean, when changing that tile, obviously.) 21:36:11 eeviac: I *think* that was kilobyte 21:36:24 SamB: yeah. I'll just ban lava and deep water 21:36:42 if anyone has feedback on fungus form, please !tell me 21:36:49 but wasn't it kilobyte that nerfed dr 21:36:51 I am 21:36:53 conflicted 21:36:53 fungusForm branch 21:38:11 The other night, I was imagining a pulsating lump form so that monsters can use Cigotuvi's against you : 21:38:15 :b 21:40:38 MONS_PROGRAM_BUG form 21:40:39 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:41:05 Haha. 21:41:33 tell bh At first I didn't like fungus form, but it's been growing on me. 21:42:07 WH40k orks 21:42:34 Zannick: ! 21:44:15 bh: ok to change the glyph for abyssal stair to '>'? Using the arc causes accidents due to it being identical to exits. 21:44:36 especially for people who don't know about newnewabyss yet 21:44:47 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:10 +1 21:53:26 newnewabyss 21:53:27 ? 21:53:29 newer than new? 21:53:41 how new is new 21:53:42 that new new 21:54:03 does this new abyss feature removed ancient zymes 21:54:25 it features added ancient zymes 21:54:36 you know what would be better than ancient zymes 21:54:40 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 21:54:40 removed ancient zymes 21:54:43 newabyss was in 0.10 (0.11?) 21:54:45 -!- Sovek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:18 ??newabyss 21:55:19 I don't have a page labeled newabyss in my learndb. 21:55:22 ??new abyss 21:55:23 new abyss[1/1]: Abyss for a few versions where the layout was an infinite plane that shifts terrain around the player over time. Still was indefinite and tedious, so {inception} occured to improve conditions further. 21:55:24 it was at least .10, I started playing in .10 trunk and newabyss is all I knew 21:55:34 "a few versions" 21:55:36 ... 21:56:09 ancient zymes were just "fixed" yesterday 21:56:18 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:18 I got a bunch of buggily placed items on this lair floor 21:56:21 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/eeviac-crawl-git-2d71a0ae98-130312-2255.tar.bz2 21:56:24 might be a bad vault 21:56:42 %git de23c2d 21:56:42 03bh * 0.9-a1-910-gde23c2d: A worley-noise abyss 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 6 files, 473+ 41-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=de23c2d0c8f2 21:56:44 or at least made much more palatable through delaying the sickness to require multiple turns spent in zyme los 21:56:47 Wow, really? 21:57:00 lair floor items are probably from layout_roguey being bad about random treasure rooms 21:57:05 whoever did that is now #1 best dev 21:57:07 it really should stop placing those 21:57:15 %git HEAD^{/zyme} 21:57:15 03DracoOmega * 0.12-a0-2675-gb240899: Adjust zyme sickness aura 10(28 hours ago, 4 files, 22+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b240899b715b 21:57:21 eeviac: if you mean the delay it's the same guy who added them 21:57:25 what's the point in zymes being delayed? 21:57:54 so you can actually do something about the sickness 21:58:12 like kill the zyme before it triggers or keep running away 21:58:32 instant unavoidable los deep red sickness is bad 21:58:34 sickness is supposed to accumulate proportionally to time spent 21:58:44 !learn edit new_abyss[1] s/for a few versions/from 0.9-0.11/ 21:58:45 new abyss[1/1]: Abyss from 0.9-0.11 where the layout was an infinite plane that shifts terrain around the player over time. Still was indefinite and tedious, so {inception} occured to improve conditions further. 21:58:47 it still does 21:59:03 so killing them in one round means you won't be sick long 22:00:10 -!- Mumcon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:14 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:59 looks like an ant vault was placed on top of the floor loot vault? 22:02:01 or something 22:02:21 eeviac: what level layout is it, i thought i fixed that in layout_roguey 22:02:32 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02:35 not sure, i posted a save up 22:02:41 What are we looking at? 22:02:48 buggy vault item placement 22:02:56 ...in what save? :b 22:02:56 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:00 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:19 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/eeviac-crawl-git-2d71a0ae98-130312-2255.tar.bz2 22:03:41 i don't know layout names 22:04:00 i can't access the save; was it a grid of rooms connected together with narrow corridors? 22:04:16 no 22:04:23 it's a generic lair floor 22:04:36 todo: get mumra the status that would let him access those :) 22:05:08 heh 22:05:24 It is layout_roguey. 22:05:46 ok 22:05:55 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:06:20 was it trunk? 22:06:28 yes 22:06:31 %git 2d71a0a 22:06:31 03ontoclasm * 0.12-a0-2685-g2d71a0a: Stray pixels 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d71a0ae9807 22:06:34 ...yeah. 22:06:41 oh wait 22:06:42 haha 22:06:59 i made a fix but it wasn't applied 22:07:12 mumra: where did you made the fix? 22:07:27 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6709 22:07:37 it just kmasks the '*' glyph 22:07:46 so vaults can't get placed over it 22:08:03 a similar thing actually needs doing for layout_city but with | glyph 22:10:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:10:58 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12:48 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:14:31 mumra: I don't suppose you have a patch for that ... 22:14:47 SamB_: just about to post it 22:16:38 * SamB_ decides to stop hitting refresh and wait for mumra to say when it's been posted 22:18:36 ??inception 22:18:37 inception[1/2]: the project name for a 0.12 abyss revamp. features multiple less-morphing abyss layouts layered over each other with less liquids, and abyssal stairs; increasing your abyss depth is required to get the rune and increases rune chance and number of monsters. 22:18:38 SamB_: posted. decided to test first 22:18:48 good idea 22:18:49 ??inception[2] 22:18:50 inception[2/2]: wretched star, tentacled starspawn, ancient zyme, lurking horror, starcursed mass, thrashing horror, apocalypse crab, spatial maelstrom, chaos butterfly 22:19:35 kilobyte: I'm cool with making it >, I used a portal to signify that it's one way 22:20:02 you could color it like a trapdoor? 22:20:13 good point; some other suggestion might be good 22:21:32 well, hatches are one-way 22:21:39 and are > 22:21:42 and many portals aren't one-way anyway 22:21:47 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:21:56 I'm thinking of the hells, where a > leads to a portal on the other end. 22:22:07 ...here it would be more escape-hatch-ish, I guess. 22:22:14 well it's something you'll only need to learn once 22:22:22 especially since it makes no sense for a gateway deeper into the abyss to be a free exit 22:25:15 Is there any conceivable reason a player might want to look at the aptitudes list while selecting a Sprint map? 22:25:22 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:26:20 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:26:54 -!- cbus has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:29:46 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-2693-g2ebdd0a: Stop treasure rooms being overwritten in layout_roguey 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ebdd0a0f356 22:29:46 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-2694-g352f0c1: Fix vault overriding in layout_city 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=352f0c1047f4 22:30:04 -!- NightSkies has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:06 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 22:41:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:41:30 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 22:44:15 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:48:00 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 22:48:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:55 -!- clinew has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:50:05 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:42 -!- dcssrubot768 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:19 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:17 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:55:03 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-2695-g6b6596b: Less arbitrary drowning in the abyss. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 22+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b6596bd44bf 22:57:27 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: out] 23:01:00 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 23:01:41 -!- bh has quit [Quit: asleep] 23:05:11 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-2696-g5d5c096: Give Healers and Priests balanced starting stats. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d5c0963c919 23:08:45 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:58 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:12:45 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0a2/20130312042013]] 23:12:54 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 23:13:10 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:02 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:22 -!- ruwin has quit [] 23:24:49 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:26:12 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 23:26:26 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:29:59 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 23:36:44 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 23:43:57 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:44:42 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:52:37 -!- Ystah has quit [Quit: CyberScript - if you don't, who will? 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