00:00:48 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 00:03:26 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2444-g4972c5d (34) 00:05:17 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2444-g4972c5d (34) 00:05:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:04 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2444-g4972c5d 00:25:02 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:12 -!- syraine_ is now known as syraine 00:33:04 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: changin' compewtor] 00:35:22 -!- Sovek has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:02 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 00:41:28 -!- Mel is now known as Senri 00:50:15 should DNGN_UNSEEN ever get written into grd? 00:53:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:53:42 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:07 -!- minqmay is now known as PISSAAAUUUUUUUUU 00:55:11 -!- PISSAAAUUUUUUUUU is now known as minqmay 00:55:19 -!- minqmay is now known as PISSAAAUUUUUUUUU 00:55:30 -!- PISSAAAUUUUUUUUU is now known as minqmay 01:00:52 -!- tophat has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:02:00 grr, why can't mingw GDB send SIGABRT :-( 01:03:40 -!- Slamen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:04:42 DracoOmega: know any nice ways to crash crawl.exe ? 01:06:04 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:14 SamB: just let me write some code! 01:06:27 hehe 01:06:43 * SamB was hoping for something more reliable 01:07:40 what's unreliable about that? 01:08:29 fr: lua hook to crash the game 01:08:32 I mean, on Linux I would use kill, or GDB's signal command, but that doesn't work here, since MSVCRT's signals are only imaginary 01:08:33 get on that 01:08:50 yeah, one of these days I've gotta do a good one of those 01:09:32 I've already done a couple variations on that idea, but I guess they didn't seem very polished so I reverted them ... 01:09:41 (rather than committing) 01:10:17 SamB: Well, there is a wizmode command to cause a crash :P 01:11:20 If you're indifferent to what the source of the crash is 01:13:31 (It's c or C or something) 01:13:34 yeah, I am 01:13:51 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:06 I forgot how to start wizmode .... 01:17:51 & ? 01:18:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:19:29 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 01:21:15 DracoOmega: Ctrl-C, it looks like 01:24:08 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:24:32 * SamB tweaks crash.cc a bit and rebuilds; maybe next time ... 01:26:02 (I'm trying to implement backtraces. It turns out XP and up come with a function quite similar to backtrace() in kernel32.dll ...) 01:27:52 "This is the border that must be left around the map. I'm not sure why it's necessary, beyond hysterical raisins" 01:27:53 huh. 01:29:36 yeah, I've seen that too 01:30:02 you wanna try removing it to see what goes BANG? 01:30:57 not really 01:31:26 I'd rather rewrite crawl in jvm bytecode by hand. 01:31:26 yeah, me either 01:31:39 hmm, I wouldn't go anywhere near that far 01:32:02 pretty sure I'd find "see what goes bang" less tedious ;-) 01:32:40 (I didn't say anything about actually fixing whatever went bang, did I?) 01:32:51 the commit in question is from 2006 if i'm reading this right 01:33:33 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:33:55 Anyway, hooray! I can now get useless lists of hex numbers when crawl crashes on Windows 01:34:49 ChrisOelmueller: who wrote it? I'd git blame it, but I'm lazy 01:35:03 %git b58fbcfafc4 01:35:03 03greensnark * rb58fbcfafc44: *Breaks save compatibility* - changed monster flags to long, added "god" field for future fun. dungeon.cc cleanup and rework to support floating vaults. Updated levcomp to support the float orientation. coord_def now has a constructor. USE_RIVERS and USE_NEW_UNRANDS are no longer conditional. 10(6 years ago, 30 files, 3696+ 2863-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b58fbcfafc44 01:40:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:41:32 even more awesome: those hex numbers actually seem to be the a stack trace, and don't get lost in the weeds while trying to unwind through MS's dlls 01:41:55 Sounds promising 01:48:06 so tomorrow I'll try to get backtrace_symbols() to do something a bit more useful 01:49:40 %git 0.12-a0-2445-g7222981 01:49:40 Could not find commit 0.12-a0-2445-g7222981 (git returned 128) 01:49:51 %git 7222981 01:49:51 Could not find commit 7222981 (git returned 128) 01:50:16 * SamB guesses Cheibriados has to go pull it or something ... 01:50:30 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:49 New branch created: win32-backtrace (1 commit) 01:54:49 03SamB 07[win32-backtrace] * 0.12-a0-2445-g7222981: Basic implementation of backtrace() for win32. 10(8 minutes ago, 4 files, 173+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7222981aeb08 01:54:59 there we go 01:55:34 DracoOmega: I don't know if you want to bother trying it or not, but there it is ;-) 01:56:35 It doesn't actually give function names yet, does it? 01:56:39 no 01:56:43 -!- AriaB has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:58 Then I think I may wait a little :P 01:56:59 But I do appreciate the effort! 02:07:54 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10:03 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:32 -!- GoDrCoW has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:12:36 -!- DivineBovine has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:13:41 -!- antlions has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:15:34 -!- DivineBovine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:42 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:59 -!- dcssrubot305 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:40 -!- residualshade has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:27:23 -!- DivineBovine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:29:02 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30:27 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:33 -!- DivineBovine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:11 -!- GoDrCoW has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:40:27 -!- reu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:50:27 trolls can get nausea (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6721) by rchandra 02:51:36 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:58:01 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:06:17 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:54 -!- pythonsnake is now known as pythonsn4k3 03:15:54 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:20:24 -!- gluup_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:03 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 03:25:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 03:28:49 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:45:10 -!- pythonsn4k3 is now known as pythonsnake 03:53:05 -!- dcssrubot382 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56:08 Cannot use fullscreen on dual monitors (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6722) by Zaraka 03:59:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:17 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:01:29 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01:55 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:28 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:57 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:07:48 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:21 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? 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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6723) by Lasty 07:30:18 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:37 -!- motorbit has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:42:22 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:12 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:10 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:56 Webtiles chat window loses focus when spectating (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6724) by mumra 08:05:08 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:36 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:44 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:14 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:08 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:24 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:48 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:21 -!- dcssrubot525 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:52 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 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I'm converting out of range values into DNGN_FLOOR. The part that looks like a dungeon is properly initialized memory 11:37:12 -!- shmupper has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:15 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:42:59 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:47:20 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:06 -!- johnstein has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 11:51:09 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:58 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:34 Anyone in? 11:53:40 <|amethyst> hey 11:53:56 I got data for all tournaments but the very first one, which seems to have been the 0.4 tourney (August 2008). 11:54:14 Would be awesome to have numbers of players, winners and wins for that period. Sorry for short notice! 11:54:58 <|amethyst> was it all august? 11:55:29 <|amethyst> !lg * rstart >= 200807010000 11:55:31 Index out of range: 200807009999 11:55:34 <|amethyst> hm 11:55:39 <|amethyst> !lg * x=rstart 11:55:40 2133816. [rstart=2013-03-02 16:28:57 [20130202162857S]] FireLily the Magician (L7 DrWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, mangled by an ogre (a cursed -1,+0 giant club) on D:5 on 2013-03-02 17:55:00, with 1180 points after 12765 turns and 0:56:23. 11:57:22 yes, whole month back then 11:57:37 <|amethyst> !lg * rstart >= 20080701000000S rstart < 20080801000000S cv=0.4 x=cdist(name) 11:57:38 15608 games for * (rstart>=_20080701000000S rstart<_20080801000000S cv=0.4): cdist(name)=403 11:57:46 <|amethyst> !lg * rstart >= 20080701000000S rstart < 20080801000000S cv=0.4 / win 11:57:48 182/15608 games for * (rstart>=_20080701000000S rstart<_20080801000000S cv=0.4): N=182/15608 (1.17%) 11:58:03 <|amethyst> !lg * rstart >= 20080701000000S rstart < 20080801000000S 11:58:07 15651. Phantom the Skirmisher (L1 DrCr), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-09-06 01:49:26, with 21 points after 132 turns and 0:03:08. 11:58:19 <|amethyst> !lg * rstart >= 20080701000000S rstart < 20080801000000S cv=0.4 win x=cdist(name) 11:58:20 No games for * (rstart>=_20080701000000S rstart<_20080801000000S cv=0.4_win) 11:58:32 for comparison, 0.5 and 0.6 seemed to have 385 and 737 players and 50 and 90 wins, respectively. 11:58:45 <|amethyst> !lg * win rstart >= 20080701000000S rstart < 20080801000000S cv=0.4 x=cdist(name) 11:58:46 182 games for * (win rstart>=_20080701000000S rstart<_20080801000000S cv=0.4): cdist(name)=57 11:58:49 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:55 <|amethyst> looks like 15608 games with 403 players, and 182 wins with 57 players 11:59:12 awesome, thanks 11:59:24 -!- GoDrCoW has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:59:28 <|amethyst> gtg for a bit, but don't you have privs to add DracoOmega? 11:59:36 privs? 11:59:39 <|amethyst> no one is around who can do it 11:59:42 ah, I see 11:59:44 <|amethyst> privileges 11:59:46 -!- DivineBovine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:51 <|amethyst> back in a little while 11:59:56 I forget how to do it everytime, but I'll get around to it 12:01:12 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 12:04:03 who is a gitorious admin? 12:04:06 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:10 kilo, galehar, dpeg? 12:04:43 https://gitorious.org/+dcss-developers 12:05:09 so looks like due, jpeg, keskitalo too 12:07:25 <|amethyst> usually it's due or galehar who does that part 12:07:30 <|amethyst> I think 12:07:49 none of them around much these days :( 12:07:54 We'll get there 12:11:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:34 !lg * won t08 12:12:43 169. Dingir the Eviscerator (L27 HaAs), worshipper of Okawaru, escaped with the Orb and 8 runes on 2008-08-31 23:45:38, with 2970170 points after 162668 turns and 23:36:01. 12:12:58 <|amethyst> oh, didn't realize there was a t08 keyword 12:13:09 not sure why this is different from the result that you got above 12:13:29 <|amethyst> !lg * win !t08 rstart >= 20080701000000S rstart < 20080801000000S cv=0.4 x=v 12:13:30 13. [v=0.4.5] eternal the Swordmaster (L27 MDPa), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 14 runes on 2009-04-25 01:33:14, with 9482827 points after 153382 turns and 13:46:17. 12:13:38 <|amethyst> oh 12:13:41 <|amethyst> derp 12:13:46 <|amethyst> I did rstart twice, not rend 12:14:13 <|amethyst> !lg * win !t08 rstart >= 20080701000000S rend < 20080801000000S cv=0.4 x=v 12:14:14 No games for * (win !t08 rstart>=_20080701000000S rend<_20080801000000S cv=0.4). 12:14:16 <|amethyst> aha 12:14:25 <|amethyst> dpeg: I miscalculated those numbers 12:14:42 <|amethyst> !lg * t08 x=cdist(name) 12:14:43 15499 games for * (t08): cdist(name)=385 12:14:46 <|amethyst> !lg * t08 win x=cdist(name) 12:14:47 169 games for * (t08 win): cdist(name)=50 12:15:08 <|amethyst> dpeg: so 15499 games by 385 players, with 169 wins by 50 players 12:15:20 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:16:55 |amethyst: you rock! 12:17:16 -!- meowfelid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:17:46 <|amethyst> re DracoOmega, we could go ahead and do everything but commit access 12:17:49 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:57 someone's asked him, right? :) 12:18:11 <|amethyst> hm 12:18:15 not that I object to press ganging coders. 12:18:22 <|amethyst> he is at least aware of the suggestion and hasn't objected 12:18:58 I'd be very surprised if he objects but we should formally ask him, yeah... give him the chance to express reservations in private if he has any 12:20:48 hi dpeg 12:22:22 mumra: oh, my bad conscience! But rest assured, godspeak is growing... 12:24:20 mumra: I was getting uninitialized reads because I didn't understand rectangle_iterator. 12:25:02 dpeg: no worries ... i'm pretty busy with other projects ...but i don't want to leave it too long and end up sitting on it for a year again ;) 12:25:20 dpeg: I'm finally adding dungeon-y levels to the abyss. 12:25:40 bh: ahhhh 12:30:55 hey, cool (both of you :) 12:31:07 I am mostly not-here, gotta do this RL interview in a bit 12:33:44 oh nice 12:34:06 <|amethyst> "real life" or "roguelike"? 12:35:01 your guess :) 12:35:14 <|amethyst> real-life roguelikes 12:42:42 dpeg: Can you give a shoutout to Sigmund? 12:44:41 bh: What do you want me to say? 12:45:00 dpeg: only embarrassing things, unfortunately ;) 12:45:14 (Zannick can attest to my trollishness) 12:45:21 "I would like to greet my mom and dad, and also Sigmund who keeps killing so many of our braindead players. Siggie, kill 'em all!" ? 12:46:41 bh: you've heard the previous show when dpeg was on? he confused the hell out of everybody by playing some crazy musak 12:46:58 Broken alignment in tutorial 1 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6726) by silent 12:47:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:11 bhaak: I only listened to a few minutes of it 12:47:48 oh why only a few minutes? it's worth every second! 12:48:04 I have the attention span of... a squirrel! 12:48:29 bh: the 20 last seconds are the highlight: I play a song by Threatener, called "Meth Crawl" :) 12:49:08 (music for people with short attention spans, as you can see) 12:49:19 wow. 12:50:12 unfortunately, no noise today :( 12:50:42 you could sing yourself 12:50:51 oh god. 12:51:27 FR: A unique who conjures the ghosts of dead uniques. 12:51:37 bhaak: I have a responsibility for the audience 12:52:04 bhaak: hm, but I could sing the German national anthem and announce that we're about to finally liberate Switzerland! 12:52:20 That might cause an international incident 12:52:27 bh: that could work for the "clustering illusion" abyssal i wanted 12:52:27 sounds great! 12:52:32 <|amethyst> 99 David Ploogs go by 12:52:40 mumra: go on? 12:53:00 dpeg: i would sing along, but only if we sing the cool lines, from the first and second strophe 12:53:22 bh: nicolae said "that most nebulous of monsters, the Clustering Illusion." in a thread 12:53:26 bhaak: truth to be told, I don't even know this anthem :) Been raised in the GDR... 12:53:39 -!- dcssrubot626 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:39 and i thought "nebulous clustering illusion" quite abyssy 12:53:46 ^sounded 12:53:46 <|amethyst> sing the Internationale 12:53:53 |amethyst: splendid idea 12:54:19 bh: so instead of stealing mara's version of illusion, it can create illusory uniques instead 12:54:22 dpeg: wut? you don't know about the second strophe, that glorifies alcoholism and sex? 12:54:44 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:54:45 mumra: sounds abyssy 12:54:47 bhaak: I drink about four beers, per year. Cannot get me with drinking songs, hymn or not. 12:54:50 Sex though... 12:55:02 |amethyst: I'ma gonna let you finish, but the Billy Bragg version is the best version of the Internationale. 12:58:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:02:09 Zot Defence: sometimes powerful threats are not announced (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6727) by Asmodeus 13:04:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:25 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:10:39 -!- nfogravity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:15:30 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:47 -!- clinew has quit [Client Quit] 13:17:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:48 I've been converting stairs into empty arches when inserting dungeon terrain into the abyss. Are we worried about this leaking information about stair positions? 13:20:48 do we have time to just wait and see? 13:21:02 hm? 13:22:28 if it's areas the player hasn't explored yet it think that would be a problem 13:23:03 although leaking architecture is just as bad i guess 13:23:04 The player will have no control over the areas used to generate the abyss and they'll be distorted 13:23:29 leaking information like that could be good flavour anyway ;-P 13:23:34 yeah, it's only extremely marginally a problem 13:24:23 you should maybe avoid using branch ends tho? 13:24:39 that should be easy 13:24:50 at the moment I'm only using D:1 to make testing easier 13:25:48 a player could recognise a specific rune vault and somehow use that to their advantage probably (still that would be quite impressive in itself) 13:30:28 I'm going to file this one under 'pretty freaking cool' 13:31:29 let's see if I can get this in by the end of the weekend. 13:31:34 -!- bh has quit [Quit: gtfo'd] 13:33:58 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:34:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:36 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:14 I think it is not only safe to assume I would not object, but that I would welcome it excitedly :P 13:39:30 hmm, is there a way to display your magic resistance as a number in wizmode/debug mode? 13:39:42 -!- Zermako has quit [] 13:40:27 oh i guess getting something to zap you 13:42:14 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:42:16 Testing out newmisfortune? 13:42:35 yeah 13:42:42 oh, folly not misfortune 13:42:46 but still yeah :P 13:42:58 Oh yeah, oops 13:43:03 They kinda blend together in my mind 13:49:04 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:13 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:28 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331]] 13:54:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:43 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:38 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:50 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:03:18 contamination (as hell effect) and the resulting mutation plus summonigs - all in one stupid turn? 14:03:56 isn't that a bit exaggerated? 14:04:28 if you mean your pre-existing contamination ticked down and mutated you in the same turn as a hell effect, that's actually very likely to happen 14:04:30 Napkin: random generation :) 14:04:37 as a good player, you can survive it! 14:04:42 no, it didn't 14:04:55 oh ok, just a single bad hell effect then presumably 14:05:04 "You do not belong in this place!" 14:05:04 You are contaminated with residual magics. 14:05:20 A freezing wraith comes into view. 14:05:20 A white imp comes into view. 14:05:20 A vampire comes into view. 14:05:20 An ice dragon skeleton comes into view. 14:05:20 Your body shudders with the violent release of wild energies! 14:05:23 You begin to heal more slowly. 14:05:25 _You feel less contaminated with magical energies. 14:05:28 --- 14:05:33 Well, Hell effects can summon stuff independent of miscast effects, I believe 14:05:33 that was one turn 14:05:42 the way timing effects work in crawl is a bit dumb, they tend to trigger all at once bexcause of that :P 14:05:48 hell effects and contamination decay and a lot of other things all only get a chance to happen every 20 units of time 14:06:00 if you have god wrath you sometimes tend to get it at the same time as hell effects 14:06:13 so yeah, i guess hell effects happen first and then contam decay happens 14:08:05 anyways, mean 14:08:06 -!- danbru has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:15 no time to react at all 14:08:21 it's been known for a while and it'd definitely be nice to have it work differently 14:08:26 but i'm not sure how easy it is to change 14:09:08 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: Great! 14:09:27 -!- danbru has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:52 :) 14:10:32 DracoOmega: on air right now, but welcome anyway! Have fun, and happy crawling! 14:10:45 Thanks 14:11:17 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: do you know how to register with nickserv? 14:11:25 I don't think I do, no 14:11:35 <|amethyst> /msg nickserv help register 14:12:09 <|amethyst> you'll set a password on your account and will have to send an identification message to nickserv when you log in. Most IRC clients can do that automatically 14:12:22 <|amethyst> And do you have a gitorious account? 14:12:35 has he been "initiated" yet 14:12:40 |amethyst: I do (as of a couple hours ago >.>) 14:12:45 oh wait, we arent supposed to talk about that part publicly, nm 14:13:04 And nick is registered now (I think) 14:14:07 <|amethyst> okay... once dpeg is free, he can give add you to the IRC group (we even wrote down instructions for him) 14:15:01 Okay, great 14:15:03 <|amethyst> Napkin: can you set up mantis, wordpress, tavern, and dgamelaunch for DracoOmega ? 14:15:28 what's your account name in Mantis, DracoOmega? 14:15:33 DracoOmega 14:15:39 <|amethyst> Napkin: I've added you to the dgamelaunch admins on CAO and CSZO, so you can download save backups, trigger rebuilds, and use wizard mode 14:16:24 <|amethyst> I don't know who can subscribe you to crawl-ref-discuss, but I can add you to the secret list 14:16:49 oh speaking of tavern, can someone add elliptic to the dev group there too? his one post is sadly lacking in orangeness :P 14:16:55 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: is the email you use in your commits fine? 14:17:22 |amethyst: Yes, this one actually exists :P 14:18:36 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: once Napkin has upgraded your account, update https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam yourself 14:18:45 Okay 14:19:00 <|amethyst> dpeg: when you get a chance, /msg chanserv ##crawl-dev add DracoOmega committer 14:19:00 mantis updated, dgl (for wiz mode) updated 14:19:14 for crawl-ref-discuss, he can just subscribe himself to it. the list is moderated, but whoever moderates it still does it, so it's fine 14:19:34 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 14:20:34 |amethyst: done 14:20:37 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: So, do you want a real name in the credits.txt? 14:20:43 You are not visiting the Tavern, are you, DracoOmega? 14:21:02 Napkin: You mean browsing at this specific moment? No 14:21:09 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: because none of the devs currently has an obvious pseudonym there 14:21:10 |amethyst: Well, just about all the devs do, yes? 14:21:13 i mean never logged in there 14:21:19 Napkin: No, I have not 14:21:24 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: yeah... due uses a fake name 14:21:24 (with your mantis account) 14:21:34 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: maybe others do as well 14:21:38 if you ever do, let me know and i'll set your dev title there 14:21:40 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: but they all look like real names :) 14:22:33 done, MarvinPA 14:22:57 <|amethyst> dpeg: I guess I'll let you send the email, for tradition :) 14:23:03 I'll do! 14:23:45 -!- dcssrubot506 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:42 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:26:05 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: Could use your real first name with "Draco" as the last name 14:30:38 Sorry, I just stepped away to check on supper :P 14:30:52 James Bulgin is fine, I'm sure 14:31:44 the name goes into a big list anyway, people wont be able to link it up to "dracoomega" unless they know who everyone else is too 14:32:03 Well, the dev team page lists names to nicks 14:32:28 ah, right 14:32:33 (And there is actually already some roguelike-associated stuff on the internet under that name, from years past. I had even forgotten about it myself) 14:33:01 <|amethyst> evilmike: err, well, the commit message would have to be cryptic 14:33:12 Back on r.g.r.d 14:33:13 "update credits.txt" :P 14:33:19 <|amethyst> evilmike: and typically removes them from the contributor list too 14:33:22 No, it's fine really :) 14:34:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:35:49 -!- nyaakitty is now known as meowfelid 14:41:21 <|amethyst> incoming 14:42:23 <|amethyst> I think all that remains is commit access and dpeg's mail to the list 14:43:24 -!- shmupper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:46:57 -!- meowfelid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:48:36 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-2445-gc9228ed: Balloons and streamers for DracoOmega 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9228edf18f2 14:48:36 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-2446-g7c64047: Update obsolete instructions in new dev checklist. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c6404761cf5 14:48:51 Yes, 'just' commit access :P 14:48:52 Also yay! :) 14:49:50 what does new folly do? 14:50:37 <|amethyst> what henzell said 14:50:41 <|amethyst> ??robe of folly 14:50:41 robe of folly[1/1]: -1 unrandart robe that prevents spellcasting, gives -5 int, and recurses itself. Has a random appearance. 14:50:50 <|amethyst> that appears to match art-data.txt 14:50:56 Well, it hasn't changed YET 14:51:11 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: can you try leaving and reentering the channel, btw? 14:51:12 But the plan was to give it like {archmagi, Int+5, MR - 100} or something 14:51:14 <|amethyst> to see if you get +v 14:51:23 Okay 14:51:29 -!- DracoOmega has left ##crawl-dev 14:52:01 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:24 <|amethyst> hm 14:52:42 <|amethyst> dpeg: hm... the chanserv thing didn't seem to work? 14:52:43 Well, nickserv did ask me to identify myself this time, so at least that is working 14:52:52 I did what I should! 14:53:50 <|amethyst> dpeg: oh, I gave you the wrong command :/ 14:53:55 isn't that old folly :p, i honestly didn't remember 14:54:17 <|amethyst> I was reading the docs even 14:54:28 <|amethyst> dpeg: /msg chanserv access ##crawl-dev add DracoOmega committer 14:54:34 <|amethyst> dpeg: I left out the word "access" before 14:55:22 ! 14:55:34 <|amethyst> there we go 14:57:19 RL Radio show is over, gotta formally initiate DracoOmega :) 14:57:25 :) 14:57:33 -!- Substitute has quit [] 14:59:14 -!- nickajeg has quit [Client Quit] 14:59:32 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:48 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:05 <|amethyst> dpeg: the page for the committers group is https://gitorious.org/+dcss-developers if you want to try to figure out the gitorious UI 15:01:28 <|amethyst> dpeg: I don't know anything about the group management UI though, since I'm not an admin of any groups 15:01:32 urks, I was about to type something to crawl-ref-discuss :) 15:03:16 -!- dcssrubot502 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:13 -!- david89 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:29 <|amethyst> some robot has sent me like 20 emails trying to sell me s--z.com 15:10:03 Hahaha 15:10:49 -!- wh1te has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:49 -!- lukano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:56 initiation email sent out 15:11:32 Should I call Eino for commit rights? 15:11:42 A "Perkele!" or two will surely suffice. 15:11:46 <|amethyst> Sure :) 15:12:08 |amethyst: does Eino need anything but Draco's email address? 15:12:28 <|amethyst> dpeg: his gitorious username, which I think is DracoOmega 15:12:33 Yes, it is 15:13:02 <|amethyst> !learn del dieselrobin[$] 15:13:02 dieselrobin has 6 entries, you can only delete one at a time. 15:13:07 <|amethyst> !learn del dieselrobin[6] 15:13:07 Deleted dieselrobin[6/6]: US server at http://s-z.org/neil/images/DieselRobin.jpg 15:19:08 <|amethyst> dpeg: hm... haven't gotten the mail, and don't see anything in the dobrazupa.org logs 15:19:20 |amethyst: it might be moderated 15:19:30 if it doesn't show up, I'll send it somewhere else 15:19:48 <|amethyst> did you send to crd or the private list? 15:20:12 crd 15:20:16 <|amethyst> oh, okay 15:20:29 because I thought outsiders might want to celebrate too 15:20:35 <|amethyst> yeah, good idea 15:22:08 wtf... left side to orb has alarm trap, right side has zot trap.. wtff! 15:22:21 at least it isnt tele and zot... 15:22:45 hehe, Napkin is always at odds with the odss 15:22:47 odds 15:22:51 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:57 unbelievable 15:23:07 ...little does he know that the code checks is_Napkin to set up a particularly evil dungeon 15:23:46 hmm, can i break an alarm trap by triggering it too often? 15:23:55 would it help? 15:24:34 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:24:37 going away afterwards and coming back later, they would at least not be searching for me anymore 15:24:56 it only has one charge in trunk or something doesnt it 15:24:58 <|amethyst> yes, but I don't remember what the number of charges is in 0.11 15:25:13 it has a handful of charges iirc? 15:25:13 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 15:25:20 oh if its .11 then it has a few. just activate it once and run away, monsters will use up the rest 15:25:26 btw, welcome DracoOmega! 15:25:27 "but can be silenced"! thank you wiki! 15:25:41 <|amethyst> 2 - 5 charges 15:26:10 elliptic: Thanks :) 15:26:16 thanks! 15:26:20 <|amethyst> 3276 charges in zotdef 15:27:19 dpeg: your CRD e-mail went through :) 15:27:25 <|amethyst> in trunk those numbers are 1 and infinity 15:27:39 <|amethyst> Indeed 15:28:36 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:49 !lg * t10 x=cdist(name) 15:28:51 58428 games for * (t10): cdist(name)=1091 15:29:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:22 !lg * t9 x=cdist(name) 15:29:24 33865 games for * (t9): cdist(name)=737 15:29:29 dpeg, btw: Napkin the Spriggan Catapult :D 15:29:29 !lg * t8 x=cdist(name) 15:29:31 15499 games for * (t8): cdist(name)=385 15:29:35 Napkin: <3 15:29:39 !lg * t7 x=cdist(name) 15:29:40 Unknown tournament: t7 15:29:52 !lg * t11b x=cdist(name) 15:29:53 Unknown tournament: t11b 15:30:07 Hm, there were two tournaments in 2011 -- how to get the other one? 15:30:14 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:18 <|amethyst> !lg * t11a x=cdist(name) 15:30:19 DracoOmega: praise be to xom! 15:30:21 32655 games for * (t11a): cdist(name)=1523 15:30:29 <|amethyst> !lg * t11 x=cdist(name) 15:30:32 37593 games for * (t11): cdist(name)=1337 15:30:35 dpeg: tourneys were t08, t09, t10, t11a, t11, t12a, t12 15:30:42 thank you! 15:31:05 !lg * t8 rune x=cdist(name) 15:31:06 Malformed argument: rune 15:31:16 is there a way to count number of players who got a rune? 15:31:25 !lm * t08 rune x=cdist(name) 15:31:28 1593 milestones for * (t08 rune): cdist(name)=101 15:32:02 !lm * t9 rune x=cdist(name) 15:32:05 2736 milestones for * (t9 rune): cdist(name)=208 15:32:21 !lm * t10 rune x=cdist(name) 15:32:28 3072 milestones for * (t10 rune): cdist(name)=229 15:33:45 elliptic: I'm inserting dungeon levels into the abyss. Do you care if they leak information about unseen map geometry and stair locations? 15:33:56 That sounds bad to me 15:34:00 For what is essentially decorative 15:34:25 (Though I assume these levels are corrupted in some fashion?) 15:34:37 DracoOmega: yes 15:34:47 bh: it probably doesn't really matter (because who is going to go to abyss just for info about stair location) 15:35:06 Well, this is true, sure 15:35:06 elliptic: plus you'd have to see a lot of the abyss before you could figure out what level the generator was using 15:35:52 bh: I think stair location at least shouldn't be too hard to hide? general level geometry seems okay to me 15:35:59 bh: Oh, so it's not like you get dumped into a corrupted version of your current level, upon banishment? 15:36:05 elliptic: dead simple to hide 15:36:13 but if hiding/changing stair location isn't too hard, that seems worthwhile to me 15:36:17 DracoOmega: correct. The generator will select a level at random 15:36:28 Oh, that does sound so bad 15:36:31 doesn't* 15:37:06 And is this only right after banishment, or can you run into other corrupted levels elsewhere in the Abyss, if you wander around long enough? 15:37:21 !lm * t11a rune x=cdist(name) 15:37:21 I'll have it pick a new level on abyss shift 15:37:28 2550 milestones for * (t11a rune): cdist(name)=264 15:38:02 !lg * t11a win x=cdist(name) 15:38:04 233 games for * (t11a win): cdist(name)=108 15:38:23 !lg * t10 win x=cdist(name) 15:38:25 321 games for * (t10 win): cdist(name)=109 15:38:35 !lm * t10 rune x=cdist(name) 15:38:37 3072 milestones for * (t10 rune): cdist(name)=229 15:38:53 !lg * t11 win x=cdist(name) 15:38:54 232 games for * (t11 win): cdist(name)=116 15:39:54 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:41:36 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:49 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:02 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 15:48:40 \o/ 15:51:17 grats, good title 15:51:32 thanks :) 15:51:40 steel bullets rule! 15:51:50 !log napkin 15:51:51 1169. Napkin, XL27 SpFi, T:173178: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/Napkin/morgue-Napkin-20130302-214833.txt 15:51:57 and very precious 15:59:51 elliptic: are you running seleniac.org? 16:00:12 dpeg: no, that is wensley's server 16:00:25 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:35 !seen wensley 16:00:35 I last saw Wensley at Wed Feb 20 00:30:26 2013 UTC (1w 3d 21h 30m 9s ago) quitting with message Quit: leaving. 16:01:04 the tourney/**/ pages seem to be particularly unstable 16:02:08 unstable in what sense? 16:02:20 probably not accessable in half a year 16:02:49 12a has worked whenever i've had the urge to check something out 16:03:25 okay, perhaps he just didn't host the older ones 16:03:25 dpeg: the old tourney pages that were on CAO haven't been accessible since CAO remake 16:03:31 alright 16:03:57 only 12a and 12b were on seleniac 16:04:08 bh: you are on the crawl-private list? 16:04:17 dpeg: yes? 16:04:25 good! 16:04:28 I thought I just e-mailed it 16:04:31 08,09,10,11b were on CAO and might still be lying around somewhere there 16:04:39 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:04:52 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Changing host] 16:05:00 is there any sort of schedule for the next release? 16:05:06 or, well, a plan 16:05:12 !seen kilobyte 16:05:13 I last saw kilobyte at Sat Mar 2 03:18:02 2013 UTC (18h 47m 11s ago) saying <3 D:4 hill giants on ##crawl. 16:05:17 11a was on a temporary server that rwbarton was running, and I think he said he still has the files lying around somewhere 16:05:34 elliptic: might be interesting for some folks to collect those 16:06:10 it would be great to have a single unified tourney location (ideally on one of CAO/CDO/CSZO), with all the old tourney results as well as running new tourneys there 16:06:25 yes 16:06:40 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:09:15 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:18 heh. I came across the tavern post where someone was complaining that crawl isn't random 16:19:15 a new one? 16:19:33 I would like a forum post complaining that Crawl isn't hard. 16:19:48 saw it, bh 16:19:49 Surely those also exist? 16:19:59 DracoOmega: need more of those :) 16:20:06 (Or maybe everyone is just playing DgWns >.>) 16:21:01 dpeg: i would troll that forum so hard 16:21:34 (*post, urgh) 16:21:38 bh: awesome response 16:23:50 jeanjacques (L8 GhGl) ASSERT(you.wizard && !you.did_escape_death()) in 'xom.cc' at line 3845 failed. (D:6) 16:23:51 link, please :) 16:24:52 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 16:25:29 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6871 16:26:56 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:06 merci 16:27:40 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:32:41 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 16:35:22 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:37:09 dpeg: I'm serious about never using the crawl RNG for anything important :) 16:37:34 java.lang.Random is an awful abomination and the author still gets grief about it. 16:37:38 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 16:38:40 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:51 are you suggesting that Xom demands a new RNG? 16:39:04 SamB: He demanded one. I gave him one 16:39:19 I was considering that Xom could break the RNG 16:39:39 bh: by your tests, the new is objectively better than the old one? 16:39:49 dpeg: for our purposes, yes. 16:40:08 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:40:33 Mersenne Twister is on my shitlist. Yes, it's very very fast, but the size of its state is comically large and it fails some simple statistical tests 16:41:05 sorry, I've been off trying to figure out what I need to do to get us a backtrace_symbols() on Windows ... 16:42:19 it turns out that they're not in any section 16:42:29 er, the symbols, that is 16:46:43 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes is now known as HangedMan 16:47:12 -!- Chadul is now known as RobinYourHood 16:49:38 also, it seems that WinDbg's minions never even bother to check if there is a COFF symbol table in a PE image, so I'll need to do one of: a) implement COFF symbol table lookup myself b) use a 3rd-party library for that after all or c) make crawl.exe export all of its symbols ... 16:51:52 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:10 -!- RobinYourHood is now known as Chadul 16:53:36 HangedMan, dpeg: What do you think about adding abyssal plants? 16:53:50 bh: just flavour, or what functionality? 16:54:24 like flavour appropriate toadstools 16:54:33 sounds good to me 16:54:42 something that can get in the player's way, but can be cut through 16:54:52 I am a little sad that you don't see ordinary toadstools anymore, but perhaps they'll come back later 16:55:02 (more rarely than they used to...) 16:55:16 what was the rationale for decreasing their frequency? 16:55:53 frequency is zero now .... rationale was that for perfect play, you chop up all corpses, so as to avoid the odd chance of a toadstool when you want to retreat 16:56:21 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:23 I didn't think it was that. I think it was just that some people found them a little annoying, and that it was odd that they would bloom so quickly sometimes 16:56:36 Like, while you were killing the second orc, mushrooms would be sprouting from the first 16:57:00 (And also it created some interface issues with autoexploring through them with ranged weapons and such wielded) 16:57:01 it should only be once the corpse is rotting really 16:57:21