00:01:03 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2429-g9fd23b0 (34)
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02:50:13 <clouded_> okay I don't think for a second that someone is going to apply that mummy patch, but guys, never ever ever remove mummies from firmly in the challenge race status
02:50:29 <clouded_> because it's like the only thing that's left
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07:37:03 <Gretell> malteof (L5 MiFi) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:3)
07:37:13 <Gretell> malteof (L5 MiFi) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:3)
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08:02:15 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2430-gecb9cdd: Remove a speech line (#6707) 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ecb9cddb43d2
08:02:15 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2431-ge75baf2: Make the Lernaean hydra warm-blooded like other hydrae 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e75baf29b41a
08:02:17 <|amethyst> !lm malteof crash -log
08:02:17 <Henzell> |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
08:02:17 <Sequell> 2. malteof, XL5 MiFi, T:2898 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/malteof/crash-malteof-20130228-133711.txt
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08:29:59 <alefury> aww
08:30:04 <alefury> that speech line was nice
08:30:16 <alefury> not salvagable i guess :(
08:38:27 <clouded_> who cares really
08:38:44 <clouded_> there are tons of ones like that that don't work in some instances
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09:50:28 <rast> minor bug in .11:
09:50:47 <rast> from the ctrl+O screen
09:50:48 <rast> Snake (0/5) Lair:3
09:50:50 <rast> Orc: D:6-11       Swamp: Lair:3-6    Shoals: Lair:3-6    Spider: Lair:3-6
09:51:00 <elliott> mimic
09:51:00 <rast> "spider" should no longer be listed as a possibility now that ive found the stairs to snake
09:51:06 <rast> hm
09:51:07 <elliott> I think?
09:51:17 <rast> the snake stairs had a naga mage
09:51:33 <rast> yeah they arent a mimic, just checked
09:51:52 <rast> so theres no reason to list spider on that screen
09:56:04 <rast> now that ive found swamp stairs, the shoals and spider suggestions are gone from that screen...
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11:24:25 <|amethyst> rast:  I believe there's a report about that on mantis
11:24:34 <rast> ah thanks
11:24:43 <|amethyst> rast:  the dungeon overview logic doesn't know about the branch alternation
11:24:59 <|amethyst> so currently it displays them all until you have found both
11:25:01 <rast> but it knows once two branches have been chosen that there are no more...
11:25:10 <rast> *found
11:25:17 <|amethyst> yeah, it knows there are two branches, but now how they alternate
11:25:21 <|amethyst> s/now/not/
11:25:25 <|amethyst> err
11:25:29 <|amethyst> s/ now/ not/
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11:26:07 <|amethyst> However it's fixed, it should be done in a way that doesn't duplicate the logic for actually selecting the branches
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11:27:33 <|amethyst> (Also, it shouldn't reveal mimic-ness)
11:27:44 <|amethyst> rast:   https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6109   if you want to comment
11:28:01 <rast> "This should only work if you've actually taken the stairs, or at least stood on or next to them; otherwise it could reveal a branch stairs mimic. "
11:28:07 <rast> that was pretty much what iw as going to say
11:32:10 <rast> has their been much in the way of discussion of the 8.0 threshold for getting ammo gifts
11:32:13 <rast> *there
11:32:51 <rast> specifically the part where raising skill beyond 7.9 means much less in the way of weapon/armor gifts?
11:32:56 <rast> (weapon only, if trog)
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12:43:25 <|amethyst> !seen galehar
12:43:25 <Henzell> I last saw galehar at Mon Feb 18 15:38:27 2013 UTC (1w 3d 3h 4m 58s ago) saying I think kb is right, to implement this properly, we need a priority queue. on ##crawl-dev.
12:43:27 <|amethyst> !seen due
12:43:27 <Henzell> I last saw due at Fri Jan 18 14:59:08 2013 UTC (5w 6d 3h 44m 19s ago) joining the channel.
12:43:31 <|amethyst> !seen dpeg
12:43:32 <Henzell> I last saw dpeg at Wed Feb 13 14:42:16 2013 UTC (2w 1d 4h 1m 15s ago) saying yes, will do something for that on ##crawl-dev.
12:43:45 <elliott> !seen amethyst
12:43:45 <Henzell> Sorry elliott, I haven't seen amethyst.
12:43:55 <|amethyst> I'm invisible
12:44:04 <elliott> Henzell needs a sinv swap
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13:52:08 <rast> You drop a manual of Poison Magic.
13:52:10 <rast> Use which ability? (? or * to list)
13:52:11 <rast> _You cannot see a spellbook to ignite!
13:52:21 <rast> shouldn't trog appreciate burning manuals relating to spellcasting?
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14:30:43 <Henzell> universalalgebra the Skirmisher (L1 MfAK) ASSERT(feat > DNGN_UNSEEN) in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 571 failed on turn 0. (Abyss:1)
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14:36:11 <SamB> ouch
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14:40:19 <Cheibriados> Zot Defence 5: monsters can't find their way to the Orb (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6713) by Asmodeus
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14:50:18 <SamB> hmm, I guess we should make a test for that ...
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14:59:38 <SamB> !lm * crash -log
14:59:38 <Sequell> 4429. universalalgebra, XL1 MfAK, T:0 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/universalalgebra/crash-universalalgebra-20130228-203041.txt
15:00:32 <Cheibriados> Battlespheres shoot at things they can't see (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6714) by BlackSheep
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18:32:25 <HangedMan> !tell ontoclasm I know I did this before in a way but I forgot about it for forever and then decided to do wall tiles too so now I have this tiled version of sprint_mu I'd like you to look over: http://sprunge.us/gKCR (the main concern left is the handling of Crypt and maybe vestibule)
18:32:26 <Henzell> HangedMan: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know.
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20:04:02 <SamB> hmm, the backtrace in http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/universalalgebra/crash-universalalgebra-20130228-203041.txt is awful!
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20:11:24 <bh> grumble grumble LOAD_VISITOR
20:12:01 <SamB> I notice that the docs for backtrace() say that it can't deal with -fomit-frame-pointer (which -O typically enables)
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20:14:36 <SamB> actually, further down it says it's activated by default on 32-bit x86 Linux and Darwin even without -O ...
20:15:11 <|amethyst> SamB:  I'm not sure that's the problem, though, since the *number* of frames is still reasonable, as are the upper one
20:15:50 <|amethyst> the problem seems to be that it (apparently?) doesn't see any symbols for static functions
20:16:29 <|amethyst> since the unlabelled frames almost always seem to be static functions once you work out where the crash is happenning
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20:19:07 <ontoclasm> !tell HangedMan Looks good. I think maybe I'd extend the Lair subvault to include its west and south walls (or tile them in some other way).
20:19:07 <Henzell> ontoclasm: OK, I'll let HangedMan know.
20:21:50 <bh> ping?
20:22:46 * SamB is puzzled about why GDB doesn't know the type of backtrace, even though it says it loaded debuginfo for libc
20:24:10 <SamB> bh: who are you pinging, exactly?
20:24:24 <bh> SamB: it appeared that I had disconnected, but I haven't :)
20:24:59 <SamB> oh, your client doesn't ping the server automatically?
20:25:55 <bh> I use the freenode webclient
20:26:16 <SamB> ouch
20:26:44 <bh> if you think that's bad, I'm running OSX
20:27:03 <SamB> hmm, okay, that might be more reliable than what I've tried there
20:27:45 <bh> I'm trying to use load_level with LOAD_VISITOR to load up the first level of the abyss, but I invariably crash at files.cc on line 1237
20:28:13 <bh> even when I check `you.save->has_chunk(level_name)` before calling load_level
20:28:21 <bh> I'm seeing exactly zero interesting things in GDB
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20:34:58 <bh> is this the right way to fetch a level?
20:42:13 <SamB> |amethyst: perhaps we need a better backtrace_symbols then
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21:05:14 <SamB> oh, now I think I see why gdb doesn't grok backtrace: that isn't the symbol name stored in the debug info ...
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21:08:07 <SamB> aha, I can refer to the symbol as '*__GI___backtrace'; then, GDB will know the type
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21:31:41 <mumra> bh: i think you want the level_excursion class
21:31:47 <mumra> from what kilobyte was saying the other day
21:33:47 <mumra> bh: it's used by jiyva_eat_offlevel_items() as well as viewmap.cc
21:35:48 <bh> mumra: thanks, I'll check it out
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22:10:02 <|amethyst> SamB:  what to conditionalize that on?
22:10:11 <|amethyst> SamB:  is it in old gcc?
22:12:13 <bh> level_excursion reverts to the original level in its deconstructor. Would anyone object to me hauling that into a separate method and dispatch to that from the deconstructor?
22:14:04 <SamB> Eh?  We're already using backtrace_symbols; I'm just saying it would be nicer if we had one that could use the debug info to find names for static functions
22:16:38 <|amethyst> SamB:  I mean, does that work on all platforms/compilers we support?
22:16:57 <DracoOmega> Well, Crawl on windows doesn't even give backtraces at all, presently
22:17:17 <bh> DracoOmega: yech
22:17:40 <DracoOmega> (I have no idea why - this is outside my technical knowledge)
22:17:50 <DracoOmega> But it is a bit of a pain at times
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22:19:21 <SamB> DracoOmega: well, I think it would be tricky
22:20:07 <|amethyst> !seen kilobyte
22:20:08 <Henzell> I last saw kilobyte at Thu Feb 28 11:10:26 2013 UTC (17h 9m 41s ago) quitting with message Ping timeout: 245 seconds.
22:20:39 <bh> DracoOmega: have you considered developing in a vm?
22:21:05 <DracoOmega> That sounds like a pain, too - just of a different kind :)
22:21:50 <DracoOmega> And inscrutible crashes are thankfully not the norm
22:22:07 <bh> it's pretty straightforward with virtualbox, you can get a reasonable environment up in < 40 minutes
22:22:49 <SamB> hey, at least I fixed it so that dumping is usable on Windows
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22:23:47 <DracoOmega> bh: As someone with essentially no practical linux experience, I suspect it might end up being a touch more ticky than that
22:23:57 <SamB> iirc it used to get rather tangled with the "graphics", and didn't succeed at writing to a file?
22:24:09 <bh> DracoOmega: Ubuntu was so easy that they built a better idiot, hired him at Canonical and then released a new window manager
22:24:57 <DracoOmega> I am not claiming that I could not figure it out. I am just saying it would probably take more than a half-hour to get a whole dev environment set up on a virtual machine (which I have never really used) for a platform I have never really used :)
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22:26:44 <SamB> hmm, grepping /usr/lib for backtrace in MSYS is only turning up perl stuff
22:26:49 <SamB> obviously not too helpful
22:27:18 <bh> argh. I just wrote a bug that refuses to crash in gdb
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22:27:58 <|amethyst> bh: I keep trying to convince my students that bugs that don't crash are worse than bugs that do
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22:28:04 <SamB> do you know where you wrote it?
22:28:10 <|amethyst> I threaten them with nasal monkeys and everything
22:28:23 <bh> SamB: sure, but I'd love to inspect a particular stack frame
22:28:31 <SamB> what, have there been budget cuts? no more daemons?
22:28:36 <DracoOmega> |amethyst: Nasal monkeys?
22:29:32 <|amethyst> DracoOmega:  if your program exhibits undefined behaviour, the compiler and runtime system are allowed to do anything
22:29:43 <SamB> hmm, and yet I just ran "rxvt" to try to open a nice "terminal" with sh.exe running in it, and it dumps a stacktrace to a file ...
22:29:44 <|amethyst> DracoOmega:  up to and including making monkeys fly out of your nose
22:29:45 <bh> do player ghosts appear in the abyss?
22:29:57 <elliptic> yes
22:30:04 <SamB> oh, but it's got no symbols
22:30:09 <bh> |amethyst: I take it you're an eccentric lecturer, 'eh?
22:30:44 <|amethyst> bh:  not *that* much
22:31:03 <SamB> |amethyst: again, what happened to the traditional daemons?
22:31:49 <|amethyst> SamB:  they haven't learned Unix yet :)
22:32:06 <SamB> well, you could spell it demons then
22:32:24 <|amethyst> bible belt
22:32:57 <SamB> the compiler is still allowed to do it
22:33:14 <|amethyst> true
22:33:16 <bh> Kentucky isn't the Bible Belt, it's Appalachia
22:33:27 <|amethyst> Lexington isn't either really
22:33:45 <|amethyst> Only a small part of Kentucky is Appalachia
22:34:13 <bh> The good part? :)
22:34:32 <|amethyst> no
22:34:43 <|amethyst> Well, unless you like prescription narcotics
22:34:56 <SamB> now, obviously HOW a compiler/rts could do that is unknown ...
22:35:01 <|amethyst> in that case Appalachia is basically north Florida
22:35:17 <|amethyst> s/Appalachia/Appalachian Kentucky
22:35:35 <|amethyst> (it happens to be where I'm from)
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22:39:21 <bh> !lg * place=abyss killer=player ghost
22:39:22 <Sequell> No games for * (place=abyss killer=player_ghost).
22:39:31 <bh> !lg * place=abyss killer=ghost
22:39:32 <Sequell> No games for * (place=abyss killer=ghost).
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22:40:02 <|amethyst> SamB:  I didn't mention it in lecture, but did tell a few students about the old gcc nethack thing
22:40:31 * SamB doesn't know/remember what that is
22:41:00 <|amethyst> http://everything2.com/title/%2523pragma
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22:48:47 <SamB> DracoOmega: anyway, we would need code to do two things to get a backtrace: 1) find the eip values for every stack frame and 2) find the corresponding function names/offsets using the COFF symbol table
22:49:29 <DracoOmega> I choose to read that Greek as 'It's complicated'
22:49:46 <bh> have you considered a POSIX environment?
22:49:56 <SamB> probably for 1) we could just steal glibc's backtrace.c, but I don't think glibc has any COFF code, nevermind PECOFF code ...
22:50:30 <SamB> DracoOmega: see, this is why you need *nix
22:51:04 <DracoOmega> I am afraid better crash dumps for Crawl are not a compelling enough reason on their own, as nice as they would be to have
22:51:29 <DracoOmega> Besides, couldn't the devteam use someone who actually plays on windows? Y'know, to round things out a little? :P
22:51:51 <ChrisOelmueller> isn't that the same reason you try to get away with playing tiles
22:51:55 <ChrisOelmueller> shameful
22:52:24 <bh> you can run webtiles ;)
22:52:41 <DracoOmega> Actually, you can't on Windows!
22:52:49 <ChrisOelmueller> webtiles is probably more similar to console than to local tiles
22:52:57 <DracoOmega> It is in some ways, yes
22:53:45 <SamB> I meant, so you would stand a better chance of picking up the kind of knowledge needed to understand what I said ;-P
22:53:53 <DracoOmega> Though it still gets a lot of the best features of tiles, like monster equipment, status icons, visible brands and subtypes of items on the ground, etc.
22:54:20 <elliott> and a lot of the worst features of tiles
22:54:21 <elliott> like tiles
22:54:27 <DracoOmega> SamB: Well, I understand the generalities, but haven't had much cause to delve into the more specific things - none of the stuff I've coded really needed that level of technical depth
22:54:36 <elliott> I hear the monster equipment has nice things like lying a lot (about shields??)
22:54:50 <DracoOmega> Well, it's getting better at that
22:54:52 * ontoclasm gazes mournfully at the horizon, shedding a single tear
22:54:57 <SamB> webtiles has console support too, though, hasn't it?
22:56:13 <ChrisOelmueller> ontoclasm: ._.
22:56:32 <DracoOmega> ontoclasm: Hey, some people appreciate you! :P
22:57:54 <bh> ontoclasm: tiles are pretty but I'm habituated to running away from Y's and blue monsters
22:58:16 <bh> when I play tiles I invariably die. which isn't much different than regular crawl
23:03:21 <SamB> (note that for full generality, part 1 would actually involve using both dbghelp.dll and a DWARF/GNU CFI unwinder to unwind the stack, though it didn't look like the glibc (basically "Linux") implementation did anything with the CFI based on the debuginfo, so I guess that's excessive)
23:04:22 <SamB> the dbghelp.dll would be important for any call stacks that crossed over into MS dlls, though
23:06:27 <SamB> the COFF bit would probably need to be coded from scratch, using bfd (a library used by GNU binutils and GDB) as a reference
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23:07:50 <SamB> DracoOmega: you may have noticed that GDB sucks at tracing callstacks involving MS's code?  That's because it can't use dbghelp.dll.
23:09:57 <SamB> (Unfortunately, there's a nasty impedence mismatch between how GDB wants to call unwinders and how dbghelp wants to be called)
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23:12:08 <SamB> so, anyway, that should suffice as an explanation of why I haven't done it ...
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23:14:27 <DracoOmega> I can accept that there are non-obvious (to the less-informed at least) technical complexities that would make this unpleasant to implement, yes. I was just sort of surprised at this, given that I have certainly seen other games print stack traces on Windows for C++ programs and such
23:14:46 <DracoOmega> And had, perhaps naively, assumed that it wasn't really that complicated to do
23:15:02 <SamB> (Did I mention that linking takes AGES with GNU ld compared to gold?  That makes me less than enthusiastic about lots of compile/test cycles on Windows...)
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23:16:09 <SamB> well, it might not be as complicated as I had thought to get something that's good enough to help
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23:22:56 <|amethyst> at least someone has written a library for stack traces in mingw:  http://www.mr-edd.co.uk/code/stack_trace
23:23:15 <SamB> oh, that's an idea
23:23:18 <|amethyst> (there's another version under the boost license instead of gpl)
23:23:27 <|amethyst> s/version/library by the same author/
23:23:30 <SamB> we could use a 3rd-party library instead of NIHing it
23:23:40 <elliott> what a crazy idea
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23:25:09 <bh> SamB: why on earth would we do that?
23:25:29 <bh> This is DCSS, we don't just make our own tires, we split the atom to make sulfur.
23:25:31 <|amethyst> BTW, I still think we should use PCRE on Unix systems... since we're shipping it as a contrib anyway
23:25:40 <bh> ??PCRE
23:25:40 <Henzell> pcre[1/1]: "perl" "compatible" "regular" expressions
23:25:58 <bh> do we have a red colored 'm'?
23:25:59 <|amethyst> It's kind of annoying that the regexp search is nicer on Windows crawl than on Unix
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23:26:25 <|amethyst> bh:  no
23:26:31 <|amethyst> lightred of course
23:26:39 <DracoOmega_> Lots of scarequotes there
23:26:54 <|amethyst> DracoOmega_:  it's like the Holy Roman Empire
23:27:05 <bh> |amethyst: "By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown"
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23:28:10 <SamB> |amethyst: hmm, I'm not sure we should automatically try to build it from contrib just because we could, though perhaps the fact that pulling in the contrib stuff is a seperate step is good enough ...
23:28:32 <ontoclasm> clearly we need another unique mermaid
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23:28:38 <ontoclasm> mermaid berserker
23:28:49 <SamB> I'm not opposed to bailing instead of falling back to POSIX, though
23:28:50 <|amethyst> I guess we have enough quotes from that poem already, or I'd recommend "I should have been a pair of ragged claws / Scuttling across the floors of silent seas" for apocalypse crab
23:29:03 <|amethyst> SamB:  Fall-back would be fine
23:29:29 <SamB> I mean, how hard is it to find the -dev[el] package for libpcre?
23:29:36 <|amethyst> that's the thing
23:29:47 <|amethyst> even if that's installed it doesn't use it
23:29:53 <SamB> oh?
23:29:59 <SamB> that should be fixed
23:30:09 <|amethyst> you have to set BUILD_PCRE
23:30:11 <bh> |amethyst: that is not the case, but I'd spin it... "I should have been a pair of ragged claws /  'Cause maybe they've seen us and welcome us all, yea"
23:30:32 <SamB> I really want to autoconfiscate crawl ...
23:31:14 <|amethyst> Do any active devs have a problem with that?
23:31:39 <bh> regular expressions? I think we should remove the whole mess and reduce the number of problems crawl has.
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23:32:33 <SamB> we'd need to replace with some better way to do queries, then
23:32:55 <ChrisOelmueller> which RE features are used there
23:33:21 <bh> SamB: I'm just taking the piss. I don't have an opinion.
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23:34:02 <SamB> ChrisOelmueller: where?
23:34:16 <ChrisOelmueller> like i've never found myself needing a regular expression per se to find items or drop things
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23:34:44 <SamB> I've used them...
23:34:55 <ChrisOelmueller> yeah i wanted examples like that
23:35:14 <ChrisOelmueller> to determine which kind of features would need to be replaced
23:35:36 <|amethyst> not that it requires PCRE, but I use Ctrl-f potion|scroll all the time
23:36:12 <ChrisOelmueller> as i said that's not really what we'd need regular expressions for
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23:39:13 <SamB> unfortunately, we don't have a history file for stash-searching (do we?), so I can't fish stuff out of there ...
23:39:39 <SamB> (it would totally be a good idea to have one, though!)
23:40:45 <ChrisOelmueller> going with "if i don't remember it can't be important" there
23:41:09 <ontoclasm> by the way, i don't know if my email actually went out since my phone was acting sketchy
23:41:33 <ontoclasm> but i'm all in favour of that thing they were talking about on the dev mailing list
23:41:36 <SamB> well I haven't played anything but zotdef in months, and I haven't survived long enough to have much use for stash searching there ...
23:41:43 <ontoclasm> insofar as my opinion matters :P
23:42:01 <SamB> hmm, maybe I need to check my mail
23:42:56 <elliott> you mean, that thing that absolutely nobody knows what it is and definitely doesn't involve DracoOmega_ in any way??
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23:43:30 <ChrisOelmueller> that secret thing on the secret mailing list that everyone knows about still
23:43:54 <ontoclasm> man don't be harshin' my buzz
23:44:02 <ontoclasm> i choose to believe it is a secret
23:44:03 <ChrisOelmueller> i wasn't aware it involved underscores actually, so it was secret
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23:46:31 <elliott> it no longer does
23:46:45 <DracoOmega> Hehe
23:48:44 * SamB runs git log --color -p --author=DracoOmega|less -R
23:49:17 <elliott> for no reason other than curiosity, I'm sure
23:50:33 <ontoclasm> there are far too many uses of the word 'beam' in this output
23:50:57 <elliott> what about beem
23:51:02 <ChrisOelmueller> beem is gone. :(
23:51:29 <ChrisOelmueller> (i hope it isn't)
23:55:42 <bh> beem needs to be nuked from orbit
23:56:05 <bh> I did notice that I wrote 'initialize' a bunch of times in the abyss when I should have used 'initialise'
23:56:10 <ChrisOelmueller> but what about
23:56:15 <ChrisOelmueller> ??goodcode
23:56:15 <Henzell> goodcode[1/2]: beem.is_beam = false
23:56:24 <bh> ??goodcode[2]
23:56:24 <Henzell> goodcode[2/2]: maybe_bloodify_square
23:56:28 <bh> nice.
23:56:42 <SamB> ??badcode
23:56:42 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled badcode in my learndb.
23:56:52 <SamB> ??oldcode
23:56:52 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled oldcode in my learndb.
23:57:33 <ontoclasm> obviously crawl has no bad code
23:57:35 <ontoclasm> or old code
23:57:36 <ChrisOelmueller> ??badcode
23:57:36 <Henzell> source[1/5]: Browse the Git repository at http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl
23:57:43 <bh> ??badcode[2]
23:57:43 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled badcode[2] in my learndb.
23:57:50 <bh> or bad coders