00:03:28 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2391-ga17fa73 (34)
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00:58:54 <st_> I've uploaded the monster descriptions in the mantis ticket
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02:29:43 <Cheibriados> Game crash after choose attribute for up, after get a level. Map: Dungeon Sprint/ Ten Rune Challenge (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6687) by HisShadow
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06:58:49 <|amethyst> !tell DracoOmega the targetter doesn't know that automatic-hit spells go through battlespheres (haven't tested through OoD or a bush)
06:58:50 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let DracoOmega know.
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09:23:28 <DracoOmega> |amethyst: I'm afraid that's not just a targetter bug. It actually DOESN'T affect anything past them, now. Oops? :)
09:23:28 <Henzell> DracoOmega: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
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09:23:37 <DracoOmega> In any case, I have uploaded a fix for this
09:23:45 <Cheibriados> Fix for AUTOMATIC_HIT beams and battlespheres, ioods, etc. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6688) by DracoOmega
09:23:53 <DracoOmega> (My mistake was thinking that affects_monster() implies !ignores_monster() but it doesn't
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09:24:50 <DracoOmega> That happens later on. Possibly it actually SHOULD imply that, but since it doesn't completely bail on unaffectable monsters, but rather applies a 0 damage hitfunction, I'd need to investigate more closely to see if there was some reason for this
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09:28:04 <|amethyst> DracoOmega:  thanks
09:29:08 <Cheibriados> 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2392-gb52b64b: Allow AUTOMATIC_HIT beams to properly ignore ioods, battlespheres, etc. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b52b64b9bce8
09:29:10 <DracoOmega> Seems that no matter how many different things you test, someone else always finds something you overlooked immediately afterward :)
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10:49:57 <Cheibriados> Slimes met while in penance from Jiyva won't become neutral after penance is over (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6689) by Medar
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11:40:30 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2393-g7af231e: Remove unneeded blank line. 10(45 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7af231ebe0f9
11:40:30 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2394-g63c778c: Comment fixes. 10(37 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63c778c7f35b
11:40:30 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2395-gf3b88fb: Fix Mantis 6689: Make Jiyva slimes convertible again after penance (also reconversion). 10(25 minutes ago, 3 files, 24+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3b88fbc211a
11:40:30 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2396-g0863da9: Fix inconsistent wrath effect ordering: all powers are removed before allies abandon. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0863da95cf40
11:40:30 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2397-gb64e3e2: Put Fedhas' ally gain/loss messages in the monster enchantment channel. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b64e3e22afe1
11:40:30 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2398-g73c5a3d: Add formatting fixes. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=73c5a3dda6fe
11:50:38 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2399-g3363fc0: Comment fix. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3363fc0b8402
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12:00:46 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA 07[meatsprint] * 0.12-a0-2348-g5299b6f: Meatsprint monster descriptions (st) 10(45 minutes ago, 1 file, 127+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5299b6fa50de
12:00:46 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA 07[meatsprint] * 0.12-a0-2349-g43b8718: Tweak some Axe of Woe messages 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43b87180de50
12:10:54 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA 07[meatsprint] * 0.12-a0-2350-ga974f26: Axe of Woe description (st) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a974f26806cb
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13:06:29 <Cheibriados> WebTiles: Spectating someone who is in level map (X) doesn't work (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6690) by Medar
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15:12:45 <Cheibriados> electric eel spawns in fountain (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6691) by rchandra
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15:48:27 <Cheibriados> 'grated_community_mu' broken (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6692) by dalisclock
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16:26:38 <G-Flex> <G-Flex> my computer just crashed while playing, I logged back on to cszo, I had to force termination of a stale process, and now it's giving me "Another game is already in progress using this save!" when I try to play
16:26:42 <G-Flex> anyone know what's the deal with this?
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16:38:06 <Sizzell> swinepaste (L9 VpEn)  (D:7)
16:38:16 <Grunt> !lg swinepaste crash -log
16:38:17 <Sequell> Malformed argument: crash
16:38:20 <Grunt> !lm swinepaste crash -log
16:38:23 <Sequell> 19. swinepaste, XL9 VpEn, T:10645 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/swinepaste/crash-swinepaste-20130223-223805.txt
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17:34:46 <ontoclasm> projectiles are still supposed to pass through battlespheres, right
17:35:12 <DracoOmega> Yes
17:35:22 <DracoOmega> If you're referring to magic dart not doing that, this is a fixed bug
17:35:29 <DracoOmega> Just not on the servers yet
17:35:32 <ontoclasm> aha
17:35:33 * HangedMan whistles impatiently
17:35:44 <DracoOmega> Only AUTOMATIC_HIT stuff will fail to pass through
17:35:51 <DracoOmega> The rest should work fine
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17:54:02 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2399-g3363fc0 (34)
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18:08:55 <HangedMan> lazy bug report: if you get tso/presumably ely penance on mennas he switches from calling on Zin for confuse to calling on the other good god penanced
18:09:41 <Grunt> Oh.
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18:13:04 <Grunt> ...
18:13:15 <Grunt> "If the holy being was previously worshipping a different god, make it worship TSO."
18:13:23 <elliott> goodcode
18:13:25 <HangedMan> ?????
18:13:34 <Grunt> attitude-change.cc:349-351
18:13:51 <ChrisOelmueller> tso is *that* kind of god you know
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18:15:02 <DracoOmega> That seems odd
18:15:26 <ChrisOelmueller> it's the same dumb assumption that gives confused monsters rHoly
18:15:46 <DracoOmega> How does that work again?
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18:19:37 <Grunt> Oh goodness... this... just...
18:19:48 <Grunt> %git 722a4e31
18:19:48 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous * r722a4e3100c9: Fix [2578352]: If Xom sends you holy beings as allies, you switch to another god, and then you switch back to Xom, those holy beings won't abandon you when you do so. 10(4 years, 1 month ago, 4 files, 41+ 26-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=722a4e3100c9
18:20:27 <HangedMan> this seems like a slight headache
18:20:51 <ChrisOelmueller> nice sourceforge bug id?
18:22:18 <HangedMan> anyway so is the flavour of xom holies that xom brainwashed them temporarily or what
18:24:38 <DracoOmega> They thought TSO was boring and decided to go have some 'fun'
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18:28:06 <elliott> how did anyone find that bug 4 years ago
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18:33:27 <DracoOmega> Would be much easier on April 1st last year :P
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18:42:49 <kilobyte> elliott: it did matter when Xom's daevas were permanent
18:43:24 <elliott> terrible xom nerfs
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19:52:07 <DracoOmega> ontoclasm: Might I also suggest a visible might status icon?
19:52:19 <ontoclasm> i can do that
19:52:28 <ontoclasm> actually
19:52:32 <ontoclasm> speaking of that
19:53:15 <ontoclasm> i know nothing about c++ data structures, so... would one of you coder guys help me figure out precisely how many bits i have to work with for TILE_FLAGs
19:53:38 <ontoclasm> since i've seen like 4 requests
19:53:57 <ontoclasm> and i'm glad to do them all... but i don't want to cause some sort of horrible overflow error
19:54:07 <kilobyte> you need to do that twice, once for local tiles, once for webtiles
19:54:53 <ontoclasm> ye
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19:54:55 <ontoclasm> yes*
19:55:22 <ontoclasm> webtiles now uses... vectors or something, there are so many
19:55:31 <kilobyte> I kind of remember it, but I'd rather have edlothiol explain it
19:55:35 <ontoclasm> [000, 100] or something
19:55:45 <DracoOmega> It looks like the tile flags are passed as part of a uint64_t
19:55:57 <kilobyte> that part of tile assembly is done on the client side, in javascript
19:56:55 <DracoOmega> But it looks like it's used for a number of different things, too
20:03:44 <DracoOmega> The ordering of some of these enums seems odd to me
20:05:04 <DracoOmega> But there's definitely still a few unused bits, at any rate
20:05:48 <DracoOmega> (Possibly this should be refactored to be more clear, but I'm sure it's no surprise to anyone that the tile code is not the most... intuitive)
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20:09:49 <ontoclasm> it would be nice if i could just ask for arbitrary tiles to be layered on top of something
20:10:02 <ontoclasm> instead of having to use flags for every single possible thing
20:10:10 <DracoOmega> Actually, I think there's like 18 spaces for flags left?
20:10:15 <ontoclasm> okay
20:10:26 <DracoOmega> I could be wrong! But that's what it looks like
20:10:30 <ontoclasm> well then i'll do might, petrify and uh
20:10:32 <ontoclasm> blind
20:10:38 <ontoclasm> which were the ones i saw requested
20:10:45 <DracoOmega> Yeah, makes sense
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20:46:50 <Cheibriados> Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.11
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21:01:02 <st_> MarvinPA: thanks for commiting the descriptions but you better not ruin my beautiful observer desc!!!
21:01:02 <Henzell> st_: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them.
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21:02:42 <elliott> st_: he changed some of your words
21:02:44 <elliott> he didn't like 'em!
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21:03:54 <st_> I know!
21:04:06 <st_> who knows what a fleshlord looks like now???
21:05:08 <Dixlet> i'll show you my "fleshlord"
21:05:52 <HangedMan> some day a transifex person will ruin the minimalism of "A shadowy figure clothed in profound darkness."
21:06:02 <HangedMan> and then it will hopefully be reverted immediately
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21:06:40 <Grunt> !send HangedMan a weirdly glowing figure, dancing through the twisted air of Pandemonium
21:06:41 <Henzell> Sending a weirdly glowing figure, dancing through the twisted air of Pandemonium to HangedMan.
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21:06:59 <HangedMan> well yes that doesn't exactly work
21:08:56 <kilobyte> any reason to keep "It wants to drink your blood!", "It has come for your soul!" appended to descriptions?
21:09:26 <elliott> I like those
21:09:32 <SamB> kilobyte: where else would you keep it?
21:09:32 <HangedMan> well the U one can go since all of the bear descriptions already state it
21:09:35 <HangedMan> "A small black bear. Like all ursines, the black bear will become enraged if badly hurt or frightened. If made afraid, it may become angry!"
21:10:20 <kilobyte> or "It is strange and repulsive." for nagas
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21:10:32 <HangedMan> also reapers lost the soul bit a while back
21:10:50 <Grunt> It's still there.
21:11:22 <HangedMan> oh then dat/descript/monsters.txt is dumb
21:11:23 <kilobyte> some of these are on C++ code, some as _suffix hackery
21:11:28 <HangedMan> can'
21:11:36 <HangedMan> t it at least all stay in one area regardless
21:11:49 <kilobyte> I'd axe all of these
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21:12:08 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2402-g97cd1d7: Match the name of non-green crystal to its recolouring and tile. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97cd1d7d0faa
21:12:08 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2403-gf10de61: Work around a gcc misdesign that nearly doubles the time of LTO compilation. 10(88 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f10de61e79ce
21:12:12 * SamB thinks they're funny
21:13:28 <HangedMan> yesssssssss
21:13:51 <kilobyte> SamB: while you're around, perhaps you could suggest some ways to sanitize the build system?  Especially how to acumulate compiler flags.
21:14:15 <kilobyte> it's pretty hard to do that using nothing but make
21:15:04 <st_> HangedMan: is that dig at my non minimal descriptions
21:15:29 <HangedMan> can we just rename green crystal walls to crystal walls and let their default be a stark noticable green
21:15:34 <elliott> are you suggesting HangedMan could ever criticise for verbosity
21:15:45 <HangedMan> yeah it wasn't meant as such a dig
21:16:11 <SamB> kilobyte: what do you mean about accumulating flags?
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21:16:53 <SamB> also, who stands in the way of using something more than just Make, anyway?
21:18:06 <st_> elliott: he could critise for bad writing
21:18:18 <kilobyte> folks hate the idea of autoconf (no wonders why), and the alternatives are even worse
21:18:21 <st_> and spelling
21:18:33 <HangedMan> what, I'm bad at both of those too
21:18:43 <Grunt> (So what we have now is the worst possible solution, except for all the others?)
21:19:03 <HangedMan> if I really wanted to give criticisms I'd say the captor should start with a His [tool]
21:19:22 <kilobyte> especially cmake -- someone even submitted a rehashing of the build system using cmake a couple of years ago.  It bikeshed-painted what works without fixing a single problem.
21:19:40 <HangedMan> what is with the last few minutes and bikesheds
21:20:13 <SamB> yes, but I'm not sure the idea of autoconf is worse than the actuality of just Make, at least here ...
21:20:29 <kilobyte> Grunt: autoconf would fix issues at hand, it's downside is being made of several distinct obscure languages
21:21:00 <kilobyte> I mean, it's the only candidate replacement I'd consider to be viable
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21:21:12 <SamB> I'll grant you that m4 is odd and I don't really understand it, but then I'm not sure it's advisable to understand it anyway
21:21:33 <SamB> (I hear that those who do have difficulty restrainingh themselves from using it ...)
21:22:03 <kilobyte> or, perhaps, one could look into Google's new shiny ninja-build; it requires you to write a configure tool on your own, but at least can handle some dependency issues better than make
21:22:51 <kilobyte> SamB: if you use autoconf without knowledge of m4, you produce monstrous fragile results :(
21:22:53 <elliott> http://gittup.org/tup/ is a viable alternative
21:22:58 <elliott> (ninja was inspired by an early version of it)
21:22:59 <SamB> and what I *really* don't get is why we strip perfectly good auto*-based buildsystems off of 3rd-party packages ...
21:23:15 <kilobyte> SamB: because neunon hates autoconf
21:24:06 <SamB> gutting other projects' build systems just rubs me the wrong way :-(
21:24:48 <kilobyte> especially since I needed to add some hacks back just to allow cross compiling
21:25:41 <SamB> autoconf is like democracy
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21:26:14 <SamB> (the worst, except for all the others)
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21:29:48 <BlastHardcheese> hah
21:30:21 <kilobyte> the main reason I did not attempt a rewrite myself is that I have no means of testing Mac stuff
21:30:32 <SamB> (Make is also fine for simple stuff)
21:30:54 <kilobyte> yeah; crawl is anything but simple though
21:31:16 <SamB> Hmm, I actually do have access to a Mac running 10.5 ...
21:31:26 <SamB> I would just need to find a place to put it
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21:46:46 <kilobyte> HangedMan: +1 to s/green crystal wall/crystal wall/
21:47:31 <HangedMan> ontoclasm also said he'd support it
21:47:47 <HangedMan> as long as the default is a nice conspicious green it should be fine
21:49:31 <ontoclasm> yeah, there's no reason to change the color, it's just odd that it's in the name of the feature
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21:49:46 <ontoclasm> also it implies that other colored crystal would do something different
21:49:52 <ChrisOelmueller> (which it does)
21:49:58 <ontoclasm> well
21:50:02 <ontoclasm> ok, true
21:50:02 <ChrisOelmueller> at least in some cases.
21:50:56 <HangedMan> what other coloured crystal
21:51:03 <HangedMan> there's only inexplicable crystal glass
21:51:23 <HangedMan> crystal named but not actually crystal permaglass
21:51:46 <ChrisOelmueller> there's also crystal nonglass which has the exact same glyph and color
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21:51:56 <ontoclasm> permaglass sounds like an indie band
21:52:39 <HangedMan> that wizlab could have better colours yes
21:52:46 <HangedMan> at least in tiles everything's fine!!
21:52:58 <HangedMan> and even the boring outside water now has tornados
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22:00:47 <SamB> kilobyte: anyway, what did you mean about accumulating flags?
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22:07:23 <kilobyte> stuff like checking whether a given flag can be appended, and then doing so
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22:08:01 <kilobyte> like, -std=c++11 would allow getting rid of COMPILE_CHECK hacks for gcc-4.8
22:09:22 <kilobyte> (we need to support c++98 because of platforms with ancient compilers, c++11 has static_assert)
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22:13:46 <kilobyte> other cases: -fno-lto-fat-objects, -static-libgcc -static-libgcc++ on Windows, sqlite flags
22:15:22 <SamB> hmm, all I can think of is autoconf :-(
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22:20:46 <ChrisOelmueller> i just get an instance of this whenever i do stuff, https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1493
22:21:06 <ChrisOelmueller> except it's printing to the terminal without crashes involved
22:21:38 <ChrisOelmueller> and also i'm totally not using tiles
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22:23:40 <ChrisOelmueller> about fourty times Lua error: global_prelude: bad header in precompiled chunk
22:26:12 <kilobyte> did you move your home dir to a machine of a different architecture?
22:26:38 <ChrisOelmueller> i've been doing an architecture upgrade on this machine 14 months ago
22:26:54 <ChrisOelmueller> and this is the first time i'm seeing this output
22:27:08 <ChrisOelmueller> also no recent lua shenanigans i'm aware of
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22:28:04 <kilobyte> the only precompiled lua Crawl stores is in the .des cache
22:28:39 <kilobyte> saves used to include it but that had to be worked around
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22:31:18 <kilobyte> I'd like to know that too
22:31:28 <ChrisOelmueller> anything besides (re-)moving saves/des/ i need to do to forcibly update it?
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22:35:44 <kilobyte> nothing
22:35:55 <kilobyte> it's a cache
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22:36:45 <ChrisOelmueller> yeah that fixes things
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22:49:43 <ontoclasm> any other statuses need icons
22:49:47 <ontoclasm> while i'm doing these
22:50:13 <HangedMan> dragonblight, mute, scarecrow
22:50:22 <ontoclasm> :C
22:50:45 <HangedMan> wait no scarecrow would obviously change the tile itself
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22:52:58 <HangedMan> maybe go even further than statuses and make tiles cheat more in getting extra information
22:53:09 <HangedMan> and have icons for shapeshifters and summons being shapeshifters and summons
22:53:53 <HangedMan> that and petrified as opposed to paralyzed/sleeping is all I can think of from looking at the ench list in mon-ench.cc
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22:57:36 <HangedMan> don't worry, in another week I'll have another pile of tiles to complain about wait I said that last week
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23:13:10 <ontoclasm> problem: should blind monsters also show the !
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23:13:22 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2405-g78bee58: Tag the des cache with endianness and word width. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 13-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=78bee588c595
23:13:22 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2406-g2521a5a: Simplify a variable's scope. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 16-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2521a5a6b850
23:13:24 <ontoclasm> if so, they'll always show it, since blind monsters are stabbable
23:13:37 <ontoclasm> if not, then you can't tell if a blind monster is distracted
23:13:42 <ontoclasm> (otherwise distracted)
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23:17:08 <DracoOmega> I think it is possibly best if the blind icon only show up if they're blinded and can't see you because of it
23:17:39 <|amethyst> ontoclasm:  can't see is a higher stabbability category than distracted
23:18:00 <ontoclasm> so i should have the blind icon override the ?
23:18:04 <ontoclasm> ?
23:18:20 <ontoclasm> same for petrify; it currently shows both
23:18:27 <|amethyst> I'm not familiar with the iconography
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23:18:50 <ontoclasm> '?' means "stabbable"
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23:19:05 <|amethyst> and "!" ?
23:19:09 <DracoOmega> Well, the thing is that certain creatures can be blinded but still see you
23:19:23 <ontoclasm> '!' is running away
23:19:26 <|amethyst> ah
23:19:27 <DracoOmega> For petrify, I think it is fine that petrify override the other icons, since it's always the same
23:19:29 <ontoclasm> sorry, i hit the wrong thing earlier
23:19:50 <DracoOmega> But stuff like war dogs and such can still properly sense you if you're near them, even if they're blind
23:19:52 <ontoclasm> DracoOmega: aha
23:20:02 <ontoclasm> lemme see what happens for them
23:20:07 <|amethyst> So an icon for blind, and also the stabbable "?" if that makes you effectively invisible
23:20:15 <DracoOmega> I think that may be best, yes
23:20:19 <|amethyst> separate because of what DracoOmega points out
23:20:31 <|amethyst> neither strictly implies the other
23:20:34 <DracoOmega> And no need for petrify
23:20:37 <ontoclasm> yes, that's what it currently does
23:20:51 <|amethyst> Petrify should have a "?" I think
23:20:52 <ontoclasm> a blind ogre gets (eye)(!) while a war dog just gets (eye)
23:21:05 <ontoclasm> er
23:21:07 <ontoclasm> (?)
23:21:09 <ontoclasm> you get the point
23:21:14 <|amethyst> petrify stabs are better than invis/blind stabs
23:21:31 <ontoclasm> petrify currently has (thing)(?)
23:21:35 <|amethyst> IMHO it wouldn't hurt if the UI somehow subtly showed that some stabs are better than other
23:22:28 <|amethyst> see melee_attack::player_stab_check: maybe a different colour for each category, or a small number of dots or something?
23:22:30 <ontoclasm> well, i'd have to mess with something deeper then, since atm the only thing being checked is MB_DISTRACTED
23:22:38 <|amethyst> ohh
23:22:57 <|amethyst> not exposed in monster_infos I guess
23:22:58 <ontoclasm> if there's an easy way to get the... stabbability category... of a monster, than sure
23:23:02 <DracoOmega> |amethyst: I'm not sure there's a need of a second icon if petrify always implies it
23:23:05 <ChrisOelmueller> well war dogs sense invis, no
23:23:15 <DracoOmega> Yes, it is because of the sense invis here
23:23:38 <|amethyst> DracoOmega:  do you get the "?" with paralysis?
23:23:58 <DracoOmega> I don't think so
23:23:58 <ontoclasm> yes
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23:24:03 <DracoOmega> Really?
23:24:07 <ontoclasm> yeah
23:24:15 <|amethyst> I don't see a problem with that, really
23:24:19 <ontoclasm> wait
23:24:27 <ontoclasm> paralysis... gives you a sleep icon i think :/
23:24:30 <ontoclasm> ugh
23:25:03 <DracoOmega> Yes
23:25:17 * ontoclasm replaces all the icons with big round sadface icons
23:25:22 <DracoOmega> Haha
23:26:16 <|amethyst> sound ^= You miss:sadtrombone.wav
23:26:24 <ontoclasm> back in my day people had their megabats drawn on a blue background and they liked it
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23:27:15 <DracoOmega> Though I had never really noticed sleep/paralysis looking the same as a general problem, I admit. Since they have fairly similar effects (except regarding waking up) and it's hard to confuse the source of each.
23:27:21 <DracoOmega> Not that it shouldn't theoretically be seperate
23:28:32 <ontoclasm> maybe just differently-colored question marks
23:28:55 <ontoclasm> i dunno, i'm too sleepy to do gui design
23:28:56 <DracoOmega> Well, question mark to me has always most strongly implied 'confusion', even if that's only part of what it does
23:29:06 <ontoclasm> yeah
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23:29:24 <ontoclasm> ? implies to me that the monster isn't going to try to kill you
23:29:43 <DracoOmega> Not true with blind, currently! (Even if they will do a poorer job of doing it)
23:30:19 <DracoOmega> I sort of think that for now it is sufficient to have petrify override ?, blind still show it, and then possibly figure out a more general system of indicating stabbability, if one is desired, later on
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