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08:05:37 <|amethyst> It didn't miss 08:05:44 it hit you but did no damage 08:05:44 <|amethyst> The kobold hits you but does no damage. 08:05:50 but then the draining brand "proc"ed 08:05:50 and killed you 08:05:51 <|amethyst> But the draining still took a level 08:05:56 brand stuff happens separately 08:06:13 btw there is no message for dying to losing a level like that, which I think *is* a bug 08:06:17 it just says "You die..." 08:06:59 ha ok that explains it 08:07:06 thanks 08:08:39 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:12 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:10:56 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-2333-gdbbcb74: Give a message when drained to 0 XP or killed by draining. 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbbcb74287f0 08:12:31 |amethyst++ 08:20:33 -!- Guest58392 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:05 -!- kek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:03 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:22 -!- iasov has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:02 -!- BrightCl1ud is now known as BrightCLoud 08:30:05 -!- BrightCLoud is now known as BrightCloud 08:30:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:04 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:40:25 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest33198 08:47:11 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:48:32 -!- dcssrubot740 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54:06 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:07:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:20:26 -!- rwbarton has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:28:37 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:33:27 -!- LoremIpsum_ is now known as LoremIpsum 09:35:24 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:40 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:53:59 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:01 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:14 -!- Pagos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:03:24 -!- daandruff has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:07:07 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:13:57 -!- everett has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201190421]] 10:18:38 -!- dcssrubot387 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:42 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:24:31 !tell Eronarn https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7018 10:24:32 alefury: OK, I'll let Eronarn know. 10:29:27 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:30:19 some interesting feedback in there, mostly about lava orcs, but also about other things 10:30:22 for example: It's rather ridiculous that you can cleave 7 enemies at once. I would say that reducing it to 5 adjacent squares would leave plenty of cleaving. Also, somewhat mundanely, there isn't any text anywhere in the game that tells you axes have this special ability. 10:30:53 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:37:28 that's probably the most prominent change in 0.12 10:37:43 and you're right about it being not announced anywhere except changelogs 10:39:09 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:31 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 10:50:18 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:55:29 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:56:22 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:56:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 10:59:57 -!- ChaseSP has quit [] 11:00:06 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:04:17 -!- Pagos has quit [Quit: Never coming back] 11:05:01 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:21:22 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 11:29:32 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 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03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2334-gbc0f6db: Mention cleaving in the axe skill description 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc0f6dbb0f64 12:08:48 -!- ejames has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:09:45 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:48 * kilobyte thinks how to smuggle the word "cleavage" into 0.12's code name. 12:10:58 it'd be appropriate, at least 12:11:34 the easy way, "Axeman's Cleavage", references the wrong gender, though 12:11:40 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:02 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:17:20 Major Cleavage 12:17:54 -!- hoody has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:13 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:27:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:35:07 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:41:37 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:49:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:18 I want to add a new manual section, but there's a problem: on tinyterms, there's no free space 12:57:11 so tell me, "24 lines should be enough for anyone" folks, what to do :p 12:58:47 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2335-g9455626: Sync manual from the wiki. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9455626aa0a7 13:00:05 -!- AirwaveRaid has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:02:53 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:04:15 wow, I didn't know that "Starving" is an "enchantment" 13:04:20 -!- vidiny has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:05:52 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:06:59 probably the table of contents screen should just scroll if we want to enlarge the manual? it already wastes a line at the bottom with "+ : Page down. - : Page up", after all... 13:09:31 ... 13:09:49 ie, you're proposing to use the line that mentions scrolling for actual scrolling? 13:10:02 that's a heresy 13:13:06 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item descriptions (galefury). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aaa27ea12f83 14:39:27 -!- dcssrubot263 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:42:24 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 14:42:32 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:58 -!- morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:23 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:48 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:13 -!- kaiserfro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:13 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:13 -!- Garhauk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:13 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:45:53 <|amethyst> alefury: thanks for the suggestion 14:46:12 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:46:28 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:49:53 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:50:52 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:01 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2337-ga5bbc76: Remove unneeded blank line. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5bbc76d73df 15:00:59 imo dont mention stabbing for okay stabbing weapons 15:01:04 they are really not very okay for stabbing 15:05:09 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2338-gee36f7d: Constify. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee36f7da7f36 15:07:32 -!- jason5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:50 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:27 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:46 <|amethyst> that's a good point, but it seems strange that the bonus over other weapons isn't mentioned in-game 15:09:54 <|amethyst> particularly for clubs and their unique effect 15:10:52 maybe ask MarvinPA to remove it ;) 15:14:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:16:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:41 -!- Elkan has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:18:29 -!- elliptic has 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15:37:39 -!- mumra has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:38:30 would it be okay to give all weapons short blade level stabbing? 15:39:11 it would make a lot more sense 15:39:51 <|amethyst> I don't know if making short blades even less useful is a good idea 15:39:51 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:39:52 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 15:40:15 there was talk about conflating stabbing skill into something else earlier this week 15:40:44 i'd rather have that virtual merge into short blades than suddenly everybody stabbing with axes 15:40:58 there's been talk about moving stabbing skill entirely into sbl skill for a long time 15:41:13 which sounds good to me 15:41:41 that has more balance implications than ruining other weapon stab bonuses though 15:42:03 but yeah sbl would just be mostly bad if they weren't particularly good at stabbing 15:42:18 stabbers would get to fight with short blades for free, essentially 15:42:19 !fight Lamia v the Lernaean hydra delay:100 t:3 15:42:28 yes but instead you could just use a great mace at 0 skill 15:42:37 and because it'd get sbl stab bonus, the fact that it'd take 2384923894234 turns to do so would be irrelevant 15:42:40 wrong channel grunt 15:42:41 because it'd always kill things 15:42:46 HangedMan: yeah, I just noticed >:( 15:42:47 ? 15:42:52 the point is it would be the sbl weapon move 15:42:56 so not really 15:42:58 yeah 15:43:04 MarvinPA: would it be okay to give all weapons short blade level stabbing? 15:43:14 thats a completely separate thing 15:43:19 that's what I was responding to :P 15:43:20 oh i thought nobody was talking about that because it was obviously a bad idea :P 15:43:24 but yeah sbl would just be mostly bad if they weren't particularly good at stabbing 15:43:39 in fact brogue already basically has this 15:43:45 MarvinPA: why would it be bad? stabbing doesnt need weapon skill, so it would just remove a bunch of switching 15:43:51 all weapons get the same stab bonus, so the viable stabbing weapons are the ones that do the highest damage (maces) 15:44:02 which are "slow" (like using them at low skill in crawl) because you can only attack with them every other turn 15:44:09 and that becomes irrelevant when you one-shot everything 15:44:12 except stab damage is only slightly influenced by weapon base damage 15:44:18 um... 15:44:26 <|amethyst> stab damage is mostly a multiplier 15:44:37 huh? 15:44:52 you get a gigantic flat damage bonus 15:44:55 <|amethyst> oh, you're right 15:44:58 the multiplier is like, two 15:45:01 maybe three 15:45:04 <|amethyst> the multiplier is already there for all weapons 15:45:33 brands matter, because they apply to the flat bonus 15:45:41 that doesn't change that it'd still make higher-damage weapons the obvious choice for stabbing, if you gave every weapon the exact same bonus 15:45:59 since the low-skill penalties are accuracy and delay, which are both mostly irrelevant when stabbing 15:46:40 why does that matter when you oneshot everything anyway? is making people swap to a dagger really that important? 15:47:26 well tying the ability to instantly oneshot everything to a weapon type that is limited in other ways seems like a good thing 15:47:48 if your vision of crawl melee is everybody oneshotting all the dudes with all the weapons i'd rather go play something else 15:47:51 because weapon swapping takes so long? :P 15:48:03 well it would be pretty bad if you could be good at stabbing and also amazing at melee in general (because you are using a high-damage weapon) 15:48:13 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:48:22 elliott: you can currently do that, by training stabbing and a real weapon skill 15:48:23 since stabbing is already very very strong 15:48:30 alefury: weapon swapping requires skill investment, obviously you'd put *some* skill into M&F or whatever... 15:48:31 anyway this all seems really weird and much more complicated than just making stabbing the sbl weapon move 15:48:34 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Doomseeker End Of Line] 15:48:38 indeed. 15:48:47 <|amethyst> elliott: what alefury said: you don't need sbl skill to do stabbing 15:48:48 which conveniently forces you to invest in sbl skill to stab! 15:49:33 i honestly think that would be a much bigger buff to stabbing than what i suggested, but could be compensated somehow if needed and sounds very neat 15:49:53 |amethyst: sure, of course not 15:50:01 (though you still probably want it for mindelay) 15:50:14 since the low-skill penalties are accuracy and delay, which are both mostly irrelevant when stabbing 15:50:18 huh? 15:50:20 <|amethyst> elliott: as you said before, delay doesn't really matter with stabs 15:50:25 you can hit things with a short blade without stabbing them... 15:50:36 <|amethyst> elliott: so you train your good weapon and swap to a dagger to stab 15:50:38 if you have might or whatever then sbl melee is ok on zot:5 15:50:43 Travel exclusions ignore tree opacity (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6665) by rriegs 15:50:45 <|amethyst> s/a dagger/an untrained dagger/ 15:51:11 clubstabbing for life 15:51:14 <|amethyst> I think the swapping is not irrelevant (I've woken up creatures before on the turn I swapped to the dagger) 15:51:37 yeah, i guess it can be important 15:52:06 anyway, merging stabbing and sbl is probably a better solution to the "making people swap is annoying" problem 15:52:08 <|amethyst> though I guess really you're supposed to walk around with the dagger, and swap when something wakes up (which still could mean the monster getting a free shot) 15:52:13 FWIW, I have *never* played a stabber who used a non-short blade for normal melee 15:52:43 just too annoying? or why is that? 15:52:45 because short blades are perfectly good for normal melee (most people undervalue them) 15:52:56 so why would you train something else 15:54:46 to do more damage. but that would also need more exp, and i suppose short blades are pretty good at low exp investment. 15:54:48 I'm sort of surprised at all this talk of swapping, to be honest 15:54:56 since I don't see people doing this much in practice 15:56:31 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:57:58 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 15:58:06 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 16:00:17 maybe merge short blades and stabbing, and use the worse apt? maybe also substract 1? 16:00:20 !apt short blades 16:00:20 Short: Ha: 3!, Ko: 3!, HE: 2, Mf: 2, Vp: 1, Mi: 1, Sp: 1, Te: 1, HO: 0, Op: 0, DE: 0, Dr: 0, Hu: 0, Na: 0, Dg: -1, Ds: -1, SE: -1, DD: -1, Ce: -1, Gh: -1, Mu: -2, Tr: -2, Og: -4*, Fe: N/A 16:00:22 !apt stabbing 16:00:23 Stab: Sp: 4!, Fe: 3, HO: 2, Mf: 2, Ko: 2, Vp: 1, Te: 1, DE: 1, Ha: 0, Op: 0, SE: 0, Dr: 0, Hu: 0, Na: 0, Gh: 0, HE: -1, Mi: -1, Dg: -1, Ds: -1, DD: -1, Mu: -2, Tr: -2, Og: -2, Ce: -3* 16:00:45 easier to halve the bonus I think 16:00:51 Well, I have used a non-shortblade on essentially EVERY stabber I've made, so there's obviously some personal variation here :) 16:00:51 as in the effective skill 16:01:22 DracoOmega: so is it the privacy of offline play that compels people to do these bizarre things :P 16:01:44 Well, a demon blade is generally better at killing things than any short blade is! 16:01:47 something something cross-training 16:01:50 Minue stabbing 16:01:53 Minus* 16:02:25 well if you invested that xp into stabbing things better then you'd not care nearly as much that your non-stabbing melee isn't as good 16:02:37 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:47 alefury: I wouldn't change short blades apt at all, most people using short blades aren't stabbing... 16:02:53 Though speaking of offline, I actually have an ONline character currently who is stabbing and swapping to a demon whip >.> 16:03:08 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:53 Well, you could just make each level of short blades count less for stabbing than stabbing skill itself currently does 16:04:00 yeah 16:04:03 that is what I meant by halving the bonus 16:04:03 Which would reduce top-end stabbing damage, but this probably doesn't matter 16:04:13 halving as rough approximation of training one skill rather than two 16:04:16 Since who stabs with 20+ skill anyway? 16:04:22 felids?? 16:04:26 Heh 16:04:28 rip felids 16:04:33 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:04:33 we always liked you 16:04:36 but now it's time 16:04:36 fr felids get stabbing bonuses from UC :P 16:04:42 unfr felids 16:04:51 how about give felids sbl-level stabbing 16:05:00 presumably they could get their pounce thing depending on uc if it needs to exist, yeah 16:05:01 because I know a certain someone who can't stop playing FeEn and I'm a bit worried they may never recover 16:05:13 so a little buff would be a nice gesture of goodwill 16:05:17 clearly let felids train short blades skill 16:05:20 haha 16:05:22 but rename it to "claws" 16:05:31 we should then also buff huas^chei 16:05:34 just give every felid a cursed quick blade 16:05:38 i hear there are some complications with it 16:05:43 unrand called "claws" 16:07:03 I geninely do think it would be fine and/or interesting for felids to get a stabbing bonus baked into their normal melee skill under this system (and possibly a better one). 16:07:42 unfortunately it would be baked into playing a felid 16:07:54 Well, this is what makes it not OP :P 16:07:57 fr baked felids 16:08:10 felid bakers 16:08:11 I wouldn't mind just using unarmed skill instead of short blades skill in the formula 16:08:12 etc 16:10:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:10:55 Discovered terrain changes (openned doors, etc.) don't update travel exclusions (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6666) by rriegs 16:11:54 elliptic: for everyone!! 16:12:04 you carry a dagger & stab with yr fists (but only if you carry the dagger) 16:12:05 no I mean for felids :P 16:12:09 (it is a magic dagger) 16:14:40 elliptic: can i get some help with figuring out things to restrict for Ds? they get a whole bunch of "recommendations" which doesn't help much imho, and also many of them don't look that great either 16:15:03 bootdagger 16:15:05 not claiming that these restrictions make a whole lot of sense, but in this case it's a bit over the top in my opinion 16:16:19 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: My wife has this shirt: http://floofinmyfood.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/makin__breadiu4detail.png 16:16:50 -!- mastaba has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:16:56 <|amethyst> found the original: http://shirt.woot.com/derby/entry/57930/makin-bread 16:17:30 ChrisOelmueller: I see Ds as equally well-suited for almost all the classes 16:18:05 obviously some classes are easier than others, but that's true with the other races that have (almost) everything recommended 16:18:58 <|amethyst> Other than things prohibited for holiness reasons, what would be restricted for DS and not for humans? 16:19:07 <|amethyst> what elliptic said 16:19:48 well, ds are a bit weaker to start with than humans I think 16:20:13 currently I think As and En are the only roles restricted for Ds but not Hu? 16:20:50 which doesn't really make much sense, but the rationale for that was that the stabber classes require training substantially more skills to get working as intended 16:20:56 so the bad apts hurt more 16:21:18 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:22:10 As sounds good for Ds in entirely non-stabby ways 16:22:21 what with the whole buncha curare thing 16:22:52 yeah 16:22:59 -!- AirwaveRaid has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:23:35 speaking of requiring substantially more skills, I see DsTm is recommended :P 16:24:38 ? 16:24:46 Tm doesn't require much skill at all 16:24:57 not sure why you would bring it up 16:25:36 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:30:46 -!- ejames has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:34:40 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:36:33 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:58 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 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16:55:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:57 like.. "Ye op'n door" 16:56:05 ??one true language 16:56:06 one true language[1/1]: language=dwarven 16:56:37 you should be using the only true alphabet 16:56:45 oh, that's an official translation? :D 16:57:20 ?? languages 16:57:20 I don't have a page labeled languages in my learndb. 16:57:21 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:57:25 however, most futhark fonts suck so badly it's hard to even tell where a word starts and where it ends :p So I'm still playing with uncool latin :p 16:57:51 Napkin: for some value of translation, yes 16:58:30 well, very cool :) 16:58:35 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:05 available values: dwarven|jagerkin|kraut|runes|wide 17:00:22 sad thing no one has a decent pirate filter; people seem to do this manually while automated ones suck bad too badly to live 17:00:24 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:00:44 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:00:50 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:01:27 New wizlab: Nikola's Generator (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667) by infiniplex 17:01:48 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:02:47 -!- Elkan has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:03:56 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:50 -!- vidiny has quit [Quit: [19:23] don't they have refill machines in ikea [19:24] bet those muricans took their vases to those straight away after paying] 17:09:17 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 17:09:27 what about making diamond obelisks indestructible? 10000 hp feels wrong. 17:10:41 only people actively trying to do something dumb would even fight a diamond obelisk after the first minute of hitting it and not seeing damage go down and reading description and blah blah blah 17:10:50 they probably ought to be, yeah 17:10:53 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:52 anyway the wizlab seems... not too great 17:14:02 matches eringya's and wucad's in threat, matches wucad's in danger with the proper item, most of the monsters are more annoying then dangerous at the depth 17:14:14 not enough air stuff to work with, I guess 17:15:11 and the ball lightnings very easily sabotage themselves and are of little threat so singular in placement 17:15:18 probably should be commenting on the mantis issue 17:16:02 i also really don't like the impossible weaponry 17:16:12 especially ranged elec is something better not overused 17:16:39 what's so wrong with ranged elec? 17:16:41 Well, you can get elec brands on ranged weapons 17:16:49 ranged randart/unrandart weapons 17:16:50 They're just presently all artefacts 17:17:16 I think electrocution is not even particularly great on launchers if you have high skill with them 17:17:36 Since you have to use plain ammo and don't get other multiplicative bonuses 17:17:39 well you can also get chaos ranged it's just something to not overuse 17:17:49 does it really need to make the electric golem low-hd? full hd seems fine for wizlab depth, doroklohe has one already 17:18:07 Of all the things to poentially complain about here, I think elec launchers is kind of low on the list. And it's hard to overuse something that mostly doesn't exist 17:18:19 doroklohe is also a death trap 17:18:48 Well, the egolem in doroklohe is more dangerous because of the terrain 17:20:16 the egolem here gets no boltbouncing, yeah 17:29:42 !seen edlothiol 17:29:42 I last saw edlothiol at Tue Feb 19 12:31:54 2013 UTC (10h 57m 48s ago) joining the channel. 17:31:38 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:59 am I missing something, why does the comment say the threat includes minor demons and black draconians 17:34:44 : set_random_mon_list("sixfirhy w:4 / iron devil w:2 / " .. : "vapour w:1 / black draconian w:1") 17:34:57 NSUBST: . = 20:0 / *:. 17:35:30 kind of a weird way to save lines but makes some sense 17:35:58 you start with some of both of these right next to you even 17:36:02 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:36:19 got attacked by three different sixfirhies just walking to the portal out 17:37:06 patch for the normal people, http://bpaste.net/show/iCgF9dO5FqcGdlsotyb6/ 17:37:50 (warning, not 100% identical to what he posted) 17:37:58 changes are in the commit message 17:38:24 oh i forgot one line there, the rod is identified 17:40:43 you missed a bunch of impossible weapons :P 17:41:14 i just killed the ranged ones and the gsc i think 17:41:41 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 17:42:11 what i did miss was updating the xp calculations :o 17:42:41 i'm not too bothered either way by them, but qstaves and maces and polearms don't get elec brand, anyway 17:42:41 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:42:58 I actually didn't know that 17:43:04 what's wrong with them getting the brand? 17:43:36 theres a bailey with electric halberds 17:43:45 because why does everything have to have all brands 17:44:03 They don't. Though in this case I wonder how obvious it is that they don't get them normally 17:44:15 there are brands that don't fit, but I fail to see any problems in this case 17:44:37 Makes Eos less special? :P 17:46:06 randarts of all melee types are allowed elec 17:46:11 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:46:11 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 17:48:13 MarvinPA: Well, demon tridents can definitely get electrocution 17:48:41 oh yeah, demon weapons are all off in their own bit 17:49:31 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:50:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:17 yay enum arithmetic (which can give elec too) 17:52:17 or the code trying to use SPWPN_NORMAL, which does nothing except forcing a veto later 17:52:24 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:42 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:53 -!- ejames has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:53:51 so should wizlab entries lose orient:float for being tiny vaults that don't contain threats in themselves or should they keep it so that dliberately a level's main vault can be a wizlab entrance 17:54:14 Are other portal entries float? 17:54:22 no 17:54:22 wizlab entries are kind of big for portal entries 17:54:51 I don't really see why wizlab ones should be different from other portal vaults in that respect, I guess? 17:57:35 will probably keep it as extra for consistency's sake (feel free to argue otherwise) 17:57:42 erm, non-floating 17:59:29 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:59:30 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as sorbius 18:00:14 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Changing host] 18:01:25 -!- st_ has quit [] 18:01:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:51 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:02:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:03:15 -!- goferchan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:36 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:05:23 -!- shacklettbp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:30 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:33 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:24 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:11:01 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:11 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2339-g5733cd6: Make diamond obelisks fully indestructible. 10(8 minutes ago, 8 files, 24+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5733cd68f113 18:16:15 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?] 18:19:02 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:22:19 Main view did not update and then became blank (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6668) by blackcustard 18:25:22 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:27:40 kilobyte: i encountered fannar the elemental the other day due to the enum-bump and i just realized i didn't write anything up on ticket 6649 about it. if that would be helpful i could add a note with a link to the ttyrec? 18:28:48 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:30:26 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:33:29 was it a transferred save? 18:37:28 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2340-g5345604: Simplify tree and mangrove handling by using feat_is_tree(). 10(18 minutes ago, 4 files, 15+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5345604268cf 18:37:28 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2341-g84c7887: Add formatting fix. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84c7887f8c13 18:37:28 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2342-ge515698: Make iron grates ground electricity as metal walls do. 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e515698149a2 18:38:00 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:38:28 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:09 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:40:27 kilobyte: yes 18:40:40 kilobyte: fannar was on an old level, excluded 18:41:38 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:42:26 then it's something pretty hard to fix, but fortunately relevant only to saves from a small window 18:43:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47:12 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:49:37 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:52:01 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55:56 Wp: h) +∞ Axe of Woe 18:56:07 not sure if this looks good 19:00:45 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:01:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:57 -!- Rebthor has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:03:51 the "Wp: " part is pretty bad yes 19:03:52 :P 19:06:02 Wp: it good 19:06:46 st_: should the Axe of Woe gib enemies into chunks? (It'd need some special code to avoid "XXX is blown up!", but otherwise works) 19:06:47 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 19:07:21 kilobyte: the chunks are all orc/ogre chunks though 19:07:30 hmm right 19:08:29 also, sculptors of flesh have twisted res, which doesn't work with chunks 19:09:28 not that that is a super interesting or dangerous thing 19:09:46 it doesn't? I vaguely remember it being supposed to work. 19:10:00 (twisted res on chunks) 19:10:27 orc/ogre chunks will be happen if you have to eat 19:11:12 lots of needs to eat in 250 turns 19:11:23 lots of chances to eat in meatsprint too like 19:11:33 the large bags of meat do explode into chunks 19:11:43 because of innerflame 19:14:57 using Makhleb's powers causes hunger 19:15:03 -!- mumra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:18:16 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:19:21 you don't need to get hungry to butcher, too 19:20:03 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:20:31 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 19:22:25 -!- ruwin has quit [] 19:27:06 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:27:11 -!- tradjik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:27:57 kilobyte: how about just h) the Axe of Woe? 19:28:55 how does this interact with sizes and shields 19:29:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:16 i.e. can small races wield it but normal races still can't use shields 19:31:09 why not just make it 1-handed 19:31:11 not like a shield helps much 19:31:26 on the other hand I don't know how normal shield values work against +27000 accuracy yes 19:31:44 for all I know shields just get a base percentage to block or something 19:35:31 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:35:36 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 19:36:23 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:49:23 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:49:45 -!- ejames has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:50:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:21 draining denom trident arti ... 19:51:32 err wrong channel 19:51:37 >.> 19:51:48 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 19:58:18 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:05:45 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:21:17 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:28:37 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:37:48 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:40:05 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:18 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:42:32 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:46:59 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:48:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:55 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 20:53:52 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:43 '- A Merfolk Javelineer with Ilsuiw in Shoals:5 spawns with a stack of 17 javelins of returning, and I can't read my scroll of blinking to get to the stairs because of the fire aura' 20:56:43 Eronarn: You have 58 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:56:47 that's awesome 21:07:57 -!- drag0n_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:09:01 Edge-of-map discoverable via placement of travel exclusions (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6669) by rriegs 21:09:09 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 21:09:12 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:23 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:15:32 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:18:43 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:24:09 Shift-E doesn't cycle through travel exclusions placed on unknown squares (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6670) by rriegs 21:25:52 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:26 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:28 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:29:39 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:59 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:39:18 Triggering an undiscovered teleport trap does not update the map (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6671) by rriegs 21:45:15 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:45 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:49:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [] 21:50:58 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:57:29 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:01:34 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: IceChat - Its what Cool People use] 22:02:01 -!- Bloax has quit [Client Quit] 22:02:11 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:04:34 Boosted stats no longer highlighted in WebTiles (Phase Shift) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6672) by Medar 22:18:22 -!- ejames has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:24:46 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:55 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:39:05 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 22:39:35 -!- lobf_ has quit [Client Quit] 22:40:41 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:40:53 -!- Garhauk__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:45:00 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:42 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:50 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 22:50:34 * Grunt senses an incoming badmantis. 22:50:52 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:08 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:55:04 Plants should not count against "no visible monsters within range" (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6674) by rriegs 22:55:04 Dex and Str scores swapped after nemelex xoleh mutation + cure mutation potion (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6673) by Samsquantch 22:56:00 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 22:56:06 -!- ejames has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56:12 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:03:16 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:05:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:10:23 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:24 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 23:14:43 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:14:44 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:16:30 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:17:01 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:18:06 -!- Doat987 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:19:06 -!- Cruise_Elroy is now known as MeanWeen 23:20:19 Spells and names are drawn shifted to the left in the arena (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6675) by rriegs 23:20:28 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 23:20:33 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:26:16 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:32:10 -!- dcssrubot102 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:28 -!- neynt has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:40:19 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:44:45 -!- jason5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:53:22 -!- ejames has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:27 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:48 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:55:41 Changing depth in map mode can display phantom items/monsters (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6676) by rriegs 23:58:10 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:58:27 -!- ejames has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]