00:01:12 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2237-g3ccdfef (34) 00:01:58 -!- ponies_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:39 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2237-g3ccdfef (34) 00:05:28 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:05 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:19:52 did we figure out the treeform tile bug 00:20:19 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2237-g3ccdfef 00:24:35 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:42 !messages 00:24:42 (1/1) |amethyst said (3d 12h 48m 7s ago): some kind of monster-picking problem in the abyss? http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Chmeee/crash-Chmeee-20130211-171009.txt 00:25:46 !tell amethyst I'm just going to delete that vault. It's crap. 00:25:47 bh: OK, I'll let amethyst know. 00:27:14 how hard/expensive is it to fetch a level from a save and access the feature grid? 00:28:14 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:29:25 bh: I don't think the vault is the problem 00:29:39 elliott: The vault is still rubbish :) 00:29:43 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:30:19 The only kill I've seen it get is someone getting rteleported in and murdered 00:30:53 -!- artless has quit [Quit: artless] 00:33:23 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:35:13 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-2238-g956b44f: Remove Abyss Demonologist Exit 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 37-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=956b44f082db 00:36:18 elliott: am I reading that trace wrong? I don't see anything objectionable looking in monster::is_unholy 00:41:43 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:48 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:56 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:29 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44:52 I'm not sure what's going on there to be honest 00:46:28 I don't see anything in is_unholy that could cause a crash. 00:48:14 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:05 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03:22 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:24 -!- Laan has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:06:36 -!- Veraticus has quit [Client Quit] 01:15:40 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:15:53 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:21:14 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:30:36 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:50 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:38:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:42:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:46:52 -!- Concrocotta has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:58 -!- Veraticus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:05:00 -!- Chase_ has quit [] 02:05:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:28 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:52 -!- oberstein has quit [Quit: uhhh] 02:07:21 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:14 -!- Concrocotta has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 02:18:11 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:22:13 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:11 -!- animegrampa has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:30:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:34:51 -!- zero_one has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 02:45:28 -!- Dunwich has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:54:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:01:58 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:23:44 -!- Dixeous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:53 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28:12 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the people will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 03:34:28 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:14 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:07 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:54:07 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:55:15 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:56:26 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:55 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:02:36 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: Youse gonna be locked out, cmartin0!] 04:04:44 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:20:30 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 04:33:44 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:35:31 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47:29 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 05:14:00 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:59 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:22:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26:56 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:13 !tell HangedMan (wip) dis forts layout: http://pbrd.co/XIQMY6 05:50:14 mumra: OK, I'll let HangedMan know. 05:56:28 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:04 -!- Sprort has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:59:57 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:07:40 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:45 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:41 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:27:20 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:43:23 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:45:39 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:48:04 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:09:09 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest59914 07:20:04 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:22:12 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:32:20 -!- rabosan has quit [Client Quit] 07:37:33 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:54:30 garbled e'x'amine text, only when viewing this specific orc warrior in a mephitic cloud (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6648) by golthoon 07:55:04 -!- capablanca has quit [Client Quit] 08:05:44 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06:02 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:52 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:45 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:28:37 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:15 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:45:27 -!- Goncyn has quit [] 08:49:23 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:32 <|amethyst> !tell bh was shadow creatures the problem? Because the player might still cast that... 08:49:32 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:49:32 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 08:55:53 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:13:29 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:25:06 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:25:47 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:44:02 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:52 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:57:50 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 10:00:36 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:17:27 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 10:25:07 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:15 jorgrun replaced by a chaos butterfly (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6649) by rchandra 10:29:16 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:38:07 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:40:51 really hard to make jorgrun even worse but that'd do 10:41:27 -!- morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:42:04 !tell HangedMan Another wip, Snake layouts: http://pbrd.co/14WMWNx - these can look wildly different by changing a few settings (but these screens are all the same settings) 10:42:04 mumra: OK, I'll let HangedMan know. 10:42:05 1learn add jorgrun 10:44:48 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:47:54 hyperlayout is kind of awesome now. i'm really pleased with these snake ones. 10:48:17 Don't get too hyper over it. 10:48:19 * Grunt flees. 10:48:29 Those are really nice layouts. 10:48:47 you'd better flee before i lay _you_ out :P 10:48:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:15 thanks 10:50:38 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:38 the new version of V is ready now too. i actually discovered a fairly serious bug that exists in newnewvaults in the process. in fact i have no idea how anything was even working with this bug ! 10:54:14 mumra: shh! Everything will suddenly stop working if you draw attention to it! 10:56:25 crap, i didn't think of that (swiftly checks cszo) 10:56:36 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:47 i think the power of belief is the only thing keeping it running 11:02:28 -!- V_G has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:05:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:54 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:08:55 -!- Elkan has quit [Quit: Quitte] 11:10:41 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:11:12 -!- El has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:20 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 11:18:26 -!- Dixeous has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:31:40 -!- kek has quit [Quit: party time!] 11:32:38 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:35:17 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:39:21 -!- chaingun has quit [Quit: ""] 11:39:30 -!- MarvinPA 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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6651) by wjrogers 15:29:50 Hyper Vaults (aka newnewnewvaults) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6650) by mumra 15:37:35 ^ who's gonna pull 15:37:52 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:41:26 grunt is good at pulling 15:41:57 pulling my leg that is !! 15:43:26 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:03 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:44:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:52:33 -!- Alucard__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:52:44 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:56 -!- Mottie is now known as FaMott 15:56:03 -!- Twinge has quit [] 15:56:25 the dis layouts look really nice but always having pinched in sides seems a little repetitve, could you also try with pinched in corners? 15:56:30 erm, mumra: 15:57:04 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 15:57:25 also I see teleport closets in a few screenshots and a door going into a wall... 15:57:39 I do like the piles of stagged fortresses around the level though 15:58:10 HangedMan: yeah it's totally a work in progress, was just slightly excited that i got the basic algorithm working. will look cool if some forts have missing crennelations on some sides/corners, maybe partially destroyed walls, etc. 15:58:28 also I want to try a big fort surrounded by a moat and some other stuff 15:58:30 The Snake concept maps look quite cool, but the gameplay dynamic is very different than current Snake. There's practically no corridors are all in those 15:58:35 yeah, no need for everything to be perfect 15:58:45 at all* 15:58:51 current snake has most of the current D layouts, to be fair 15:59:11 DracoOmega: but it's more than 50% corridors! or are they just too wide ? 15:59:33 Much too wide. It doesn't really count as a corridor in gameplay terms if you can be surrounded on all sides while standing in it 15:59:56 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:12 surrounded by nagas, sounds difficult 16:00:32 I'm not going to be around much for the next several hours, so don't pull my leg <_< 16:01:43 maybe a few thinner corridors running alongside or just barely branching off the bigger curved corridors? 16:01:47 DracoOmega: the corridors can be narrower as you can see in the bottom-left - can be fixed that way in the config. the problem is that curvy corridors are inherently wider without looking strange 16:02:03 also I really have to wonder with both layouts how vaults look in them 16:02:08 HangedMan: that can be done as well 16:02:15 mm 16:02:15 HangedMan: there are vaults in some of those snake maps 16:02:35 well, specifically, the rune vaults 16:02:56 Even the ones in the bottom-left look mostly lacking in choke points 16:02:57 with orient: foo and quarter-level take-up and multiple entrances and everything 16:03:02 hmm, good point, i'll try it (maybe just not use these layouts on rune floors tho) 16:03:36 But I do think the thinner ones are generally better 16:04:22 Those is it possible to intersperse corridor widths in a single level? Like, have a few much larger than the others? 16:04:23 maybe it could be wider with branch depth? 16:04:24 DracoOmega: "lacking in choke points" is a feature! (i definitely don't think all floors should be like that, but having narrow corridors on every single floor is just as bad) 16:05:01 Well, if 'lacking in choke points' is a feature, then it's definitely a divergence from current Snake which usually has plenty 16:05:07 a tactically better place can be just a single diagonal niche in a curved corridor 16:05:14 And I don't think this is a bad thing 16:05:48 DracoOmega: it already varies widths but to a limited extent. it picks a min/max corridor width to begin with and sticks to that. on the left-middle map you can see some corridors are 2-wide and some are 3-wide for instance. 16:06:26 DracoOmega: i could make variable corridors more of a feature, e.g. start off with some big wide corridors, then intersperse with more narrow ones to link places up. the bubble rooms get added in last. 16:06:37 the layout config is incredibly flexible that way at this point 16:06:43 I think that sounds good 16:07:59 HangedMan: re the teleport closets on Dis. i saw them as well but it's very hard to avoid due to the shapes of those rooms. rarely it happens in Hypervaults too with the empty space handling but those layouts will get vetoed. 16:08:06 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:08:30 can't just e.g. make any spaces that have no connection to a staircase just get filled? 16:08:31 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:42 however Dis doesn't seem to veto such things. so maybe nobody cares about such things once a player is in hells and they deserve anything they get if they don't have a tele source ;) 16:09:11 HangedMan: it's just really hard to detect without very slowly checking every single square of the layout. i have a couple of ideas to solve it but it's technical and complex. 16:09:20 mm :( 16:11:42 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2244-g0ff3a51: Fix foo-mail tiles. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ff3a515e445 16:11:44 HangedMan: probably a better route is to call a C++ function which uses the existing code that checks such things and then yeah either fill them in or flag with no-rtele. 16:11:44 sure 16:11:44 but then i'm not so worried about players getting trapped in Hell, it's not exactly known for being a safe place. and visually it only looks bad because i did &{ - normally exploring the layout you wouldn't realise there was a closet 16:11:44 if players getting trapped was a problem then the layout veto would be enabled for hell layouts was my thinking at least ... 16:11:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:11:58 well, there is precedent for other ways for people to die as such (one of the original pan & vaults is a dig-in vault) 16:12:04 if only in extended 16:12:06 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:12:25 but I just don't like the idea of potential really rare deaths as such 16:12:57 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:06 what's the downside to enabling vetos there 16:13:09 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 16:15:11 actually i would argue for removing vetoes for other branches and instead flagging such closets with no-rtele-into. the veto can be really problematic, it's so easy to trigger by accident with SHUFFLE and SUBST etc. i've been getting this an awful lot with newnewvaults vaults. 16:15:15 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 16:15:29 like i just had to fix another two of st_'s original batch of vaults when i realised they were causing it sometimes 16:16:10 the problem with veto is it's completely invisible when it happens; there could be tons of existing vaults in all branches that are regularly causing vetos, but nobody ever sees those vaults when it happens so we don't even realise they're broken 16:16:32 that is more of a problem with the actual implementation than with the general idea, no? 16:16:40 someone was commenting how D:27 keeps taking ages to generate, i would bet money that there is e.g. a troublesome Zot stair vault causing a bunch of vetos ... 16:17:18 I've made enough vaults that I've gotten used to actively avoiding rtele closet possibilities but I don't do much of the raw randomization required to really make it much of a concern 16:17:57 would agree with the closets solution if it actually shows closets spawning and speeds up level loading and what not 16:18:06 ChrisOelmueller: maybe. the odd thing is that if i comment out the exception that causes the veto, crawl will automatically place escape hatches in such areas. so it's not even gameplay-breaking to disable the veto. and it would be easy to flag no-rtele-into instead / as well. 16:18:37 -!- ketsa_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:06 except in Dis - no escape hatches are placed in Dis for obvious reasons (and i assume other hell branches too) 16:20:02 There are escape hatches in the Hells, normally 16:20:13 yeah that's the "obvious reasons" ;) 16:20:21 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:20:28 What? 16:20:32 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 16:20:51 hrm, a brief look over the zot entry vaults doesn't make me think there'd be any reason for there to be connectivity issues with any of the given vaults 16:21:13 DracoOmega: oh right i thought you said "There are _no_ escape hatches in the Hells" 16:21:17 although I do see that the zot_entry_traditional vaults are lacking transparent extra 16:21:22 No, there are plenty of them 16:21:40 maybe then because the veto is disabled for the branch, the dungeon builder doesn't realise it needs to put hatches there? 16:21:41 So I don't know why they'd be disallowed during some other phase of generation 16:22:31 but anyway - looking at the forts again, in pretty much all the cases where closets are created, i don't actually want the forts to place right next to each other like that. i want to connect forts together from the doorways using corridors. 16:23:14 or just have two big forts in either half of the map, and more rooms and geometry inside them. 16:24:16 I suppose this would end up being the other half of layouts possible in dis? 16:24:43 kind of a nice back-and-forth between big fortresses and cramped box-packing insides of said forts 16:25:03 yeah that's the idea 16:25:27 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:12 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:26:54 i have a couple of other layouts as well that are more mazey but they're not as interesting or pretty as these so i couldn't be bothered to take screen 16:26:59 screens 16:27:25 (this is all up on a repo with the snake stuff as well if you want to test) 16:29:57 i want to do one more layout as well that actually feels like an "iron city" consisting of streets and buildings. the forts are getting pretty close but what i'm imagining is a bit different/. 16:31:24 then: crypt, elf, pan, zot; and by that point i probably have enough functionsy to take over all of D ;) 16:31:42 what happened to abyss 16:32:01 oh yeah i forgot. abyss is just where i'll throw any failed experiments. 16:32:45 actually the first version of forts was hilariously broken, they looked designed by a drunk architect. that would be good abyss fodder. 16:39:13 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42:08 -!- legoman727 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:44:11 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:44:19 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 16:46:28 HangedMan: hmm, this is an issue; in Snake:5 the encompass vault gets placed first and my layout completely trashes it by drawing over the top ... 16:46:46 eurgh 16:47:22 yeah, i hadn't really considered that things worked that way :S 16:48:22 it's probably because i'm using dgn.grid(..) instead of manipulating the mapdef like other layouts. i could probably refactor to fix this but i'm not sure how connectivity with rune vaults normally works if they're always placed first ...? 16:53:02 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:11 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments] 16:53:41 on the other hand ... if i detect it's there, i can just analyse it like i normally do the base layout, and actually just start attaching geometry directly onto it ... this could work out really well ... 16:55:35 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:57:36 you know i think this is a general problem with encompass vaults and could be another explanation for D:27 slowness. if the encompass vault is just _there_ and the layout makes no attempt to connect up with it then vetos will happen all the time ... 16:58:25 (although those non-transparent vaults are a possible candiate too) 16:58:58 should clearly start the process of marking all opaque vaults as opaque and then ltting transparent level checking be default 16:59:37 definitely. 16:59:56 should just take another three months after I finish _everything_ else I've been doing 17:04:29 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12:55 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:24:13 -!- Stumpsv has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:35 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:42 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:27:57 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 17:29:38 -!- Goncyn has quit [] 17:35:45 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:37:44 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:43:21 !seen greensnark 17:43:21 I last saw greensnark at Fri Feb 15 04:32:45 2013 UTC (19h 10m 35s ago) saying rwbarton: doy likes it on ##crawl. 17:43:47 hey greensnark is there a reason to not use the spotty vault connector for all layouts so less right angle corridor connection things 17:47:06 -!- eXcel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:59 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:51:46 http://sprunge.us/HALI , blargh, how is this still not done 17:52:07 i'm just trying something potentially dangerous but radical: building the layout _before_ placing the orient vault 17:52:22 it required moving like 3 lines of code about 10 lines upwards 17:52:27 what harm can that possibly do? 17:52:40 famous_last_words 17:52:46 aaaaaand ... none, it appears. 17:53:36 does anyone know any reason why the layout should be built _after_ the rune vault is applied? the comments say it's so that exits can be connected up. but i see absolutely no attempt to connect up those entrances... 17:54:00 at least, not until after both the orient vault and the layout have been built anyways ... 17:55:27 and Snake:$ appears to be working absolutely fine now i've changed it to the other way around 17:56:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 17:56:52 i suppose there could be a problem with items / monsters get overwritten but they could just be wiped by the PLACE vault 17:58:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:21 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:14:49 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:15:09 -!- dtsund_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:15:39 -!- dtsund_ is now known as dtsund 18:17:31 -!- Unmovable is now known as UM|nom 18:24:08 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 18:26:09 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:31 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:27:31 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 18:30:28 -!- Amilir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:21 -!- Dixeous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:52 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:39:32 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:48:15 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:40 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:09 -!- UM|nom is now known as Unmovable 18:53:20 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 18:55:13 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:02:08 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:02:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:12:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:14:55 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:36 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25:09 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:26:37 -!- CreepingCrawled has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:45 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:29:21 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 19:35:36 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36:40 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37:37 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51:27 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:54 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:12:34 -!- Paperfold has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:18:21 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20:35 so can phoenixes be buffed to actually hit harder than two harpies as monsters that appear rarely in a pan vault and zigs 20:23:42 and by two harpies I mean one harpy 20:23:52 -!- tychotesla has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:24:18 phoenix (05b) | Spd: 12 | HD: 13 | HP: 92-128 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 1908(holy) | 08holy, fly | Res: 06magic(52), 05hellfire, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 1669 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 20:24:18 %??phoenix 20:24:20 harpy (03H) | Spd: 25 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-54 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 19, 1410(steal food) | 04eats food, fly | Res: 06magic(28), 03poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 624 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 20:24:20 %??harpy 20:24:34 glad they're not giving almost thrice the xp for absolutely no reason 20:24:49 Well, who the heck knows how the exp calcuations work anyway? 20:24:50 phoenixes are literally 0.5 harpies duct taped together 20:25:03 -!- morphy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:25:16 Wow, phoenixes have a ton of hp 20:25:25 the duct tape is very resilient 20:25:48 maybe they could have 2/3rds the hp and a fire attack 20:25:51 Not very threatening with that damage, though 20:26:19 noticably weaker than a roughly related monster that appears drastically earlier _in_ _bands_ 20:26:30 I was actually surprised at first that their damage WASN'T fire-branded. I had assumed it would have been 20:27:31 with twice the speed 20:27:44 Well, they don't get to use all of that, keep in mind 20:27:51 Since they are batty and so will waste turns moving away 20:27:53 they are pretty good at doing so 20:28:22 it does still noticably apply when ex the harpy doesn't move because the other harpies are blocking the way 20:28:32 I have a feeling certain devs want to just remove phoenixes though 20:28:45 Well, currently they don't do much, yes 20:28:50 But that could be changed! 20:29:14 WebTiles: HP/Magic color incorrectly placed after resting (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6652) by Medar 20:34:17 WebTiles: Weapon color on HUD incorrect after switching item slots (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6653) by Medar 20:51:25 -!- Vidiny has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:52:06 give phoenices perma ring of flame 20:52:47 ophonenix 20:54:30 asmonix 21:02:02 -!- hh_ has quit [Quit: [19:23] don't they have refill machines in ikea [19:24] bet those muricans took their vases to those straight away after paying] 21:05:05 HangedMan: do you know a way to automatically generate a given layout a bunch of tiles and dump each map as ascii into a text file? 21:05:18 s/tiles/times 21:05:44 I just do horribly lazy macros with character dumps and grabbing data off saves 21:07:27 hmm, i might try and implement something like this if it doesn't exist ... would make it really easy to check loads of output to see there's nothing horribly broken, as well as posting stuff to show people ... 21:07:28 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:55 well there's always that branch that is nothing but spare layouts 21:08:24 kind of doubt it'd be too easy to convert newnewvaults or hypervaults into working in it since it's pared down so much stuff though 21:08:26 which branch? 21:08:55 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/layout 21:09:03 interesting 21:09:26 kind of makes me said a bunch of potentially usable layouts just sit in here 21:09:43 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10:01 if nothing else they'd probably work for abyss 21:10:11 "A map generator based on an electrode in a solution." <3 21:12:04 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:17:43 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:19:19 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:30 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:22:12 yeah surely some salvageable stuff in there. i do strongly doubt it is going to have a working lua tho :) 21:23:45 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:24:10 -!- clinew has quit [Client Quit] 21:49:37 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:57 -!- Guest59914 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:59 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:00:46 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:44 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:02:55 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:22 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:48 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2244-g0ff3a51 22:08:38 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:22:47 -!- Jafet has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:23:59 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:45 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 22:34:05 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 22:35:03 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49:19 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:27 !messages 22:49:28 No messages for bh. 22:49:38 Hi bh! 22:49:47 I feel like I was going to bother you about something, but I can't remember what. 22:50:01 good 22:51:32 -!- _dd has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:52:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:26 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:53 -!- echtony has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:13:23 -!- hangedman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:13:40 -!- gooe is now known as tenofswords 23:20:10 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:22:20 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:29:38 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30:39 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:14 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:36 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 23:49:50 -!- Naruni has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:13 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]