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Grimm and njvack wish to have access to the tavern ACP. Could you make them admin? Thanks! https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6994 03:57:56 galehar: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 04:03:23 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:09:34 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 04:11:24 So that's two things that have been cherry-picked from my Vaults monsters patch, and hardly anyone seems to have looked at the actual MONSTERS yet :P 04:16:07 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:19:39 DracoOmega: right, i was going to do that! 04:19:42 haha i totally forgot 04:20:07 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 04:20:54 Heh 04:21:31 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:23:23 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 04:34:33 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:15 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 04:42:00 -!- tmoiy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:59:58 -!- Wehk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:08:21 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:01 -!- BoredOne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:15:22 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest30975 05:17:34 DracoOmega: there's a crash when a battlesphere returns from abyss transit 05:17:56 Returns? 05:18:22 that's quite surprising, though: it will return on 50% of area shifts, which makes it probability 1 that it returns -- and yet people see this crash rarely 05:18:47 This is that ASSERT(!find_battlesphere(agent)), yes? 05:19:39 monsters that get removed by an abyss shift, can use stairs, and pass a HD roll (battlesphere has high HD) get instead moved to the transit queue 05:20:26 every level has this queue, the Abyss is unique that not everything on it gets placed at the first opportunity, and that the location is ignored 05:20:32 TECHNICALLY, I think that assert Grunt inserted is the only thing problematic here (in a blocking sense) in that the worst that would otherwise happen is you get a non-functional battlesphere following you around for a little while 05:20:47 More to the point though, a battlesphere shouldn't exist away from you like this 05:20:51 except for the crash... 05:20:53 yeah 05:20:57 Well, that IS the crash, isn't it? 05:21:34 The assert is guarding a case that shouldn't happen, true. But I think the only side-effect of this invalid state is an additional non-functional battlesphere wandering around 05:22:03 "./crawl --no-save -rc test/stress/abyss.rc" plus "&^M battlesphere" "=saA" crashes nearly immediately, not at all after making it no-transit 05:22:41 I think this situation will automatically fix itself when battlespheres are properly given their own timeout 05:22:43 I wonder though, perhaps battlespheres should follow you in the Abyss? 05:22:46 Like fake_abjuration or whatever 05:23:05 Since that would make them just disappear if they get tossed onto a different level than you, yes? 05:23:09 or never mind, they are short-lived anyway 05:23:16 yeah 05:23:30 It's just that currently DUR_BATTLESPHERE was used for something similar to that (which means monster ones don't time out at all) 05:23:35 there's no "different level" 05:23:57 But amethyst and I discussed how the linkage should be rewritten to make things work better with the monster version of it as well 05:24:20 Which should fix at least two seperate issues 05:24:40 as for the monster version, monster spheres can time out on their own 05:24:47 They don't current, though 05:24:51 currently* 05:24:56 yeah 05:26:13 At one point I had gotten the impression that he had already done some preliminary refactoring on this, but then he may have corrected me on that, so I'm not sure. I mean, I could also do it myself, certainly - I had just been working on other things at the time 05:26:38 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:27:04 Remove DUR_BATTLESPHERE, add a bidirection linkage via props that works the same for player and monster versions, and give the battlesphere its own timeout 05:27:41 -!- Zephryn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:29:26 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2226-g2c5b8ef: Really comment out a way too spammy message. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c5b8ef715a9 05:29:26 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2227-g6cb7b73: Fix battlespheres crashing upon returning from an abyss transit. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cb7b739bc60 05:29:28 That will still leave some behavioral problems with the monster version, but should at least fix the worst of the issues 05:29:28 (And then make it easier to try fixing the others) 05:30:14 the linkage may be overkill: it's easy to just check for battlesphere existing when a monster casts a spell 05:31:17 I'm not sure how storing mid in a prop is any more overkill than scanning the whole monster list all the time 05:32:27 it's a single hash lookup... 05:32:44 when going from a mid, that is 05:33:46 Yes...? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, then 05:34:11 I just meant storing the mid of the associated battlesphere in a prop in the monster (or player) 05:35:18 Did you think I meant something else by 'linkage'? 05:36:05 I mean trying to maintain the coherency of that 05:36:34 Well, I think the only coherancy necessary is just that, when it tries to issue firing orders to the battlesphere, if it discovers it no longer exists, it just removes the prop 05:36:36 battlespheres without an owner are bad, of course 05:38:15 Well, they could always check the existence of their owner each turn, too, and kill themselves if it no longer exists 05:38:31 I think those two things on their own should be able to enforce coherancy between them, without anything more odd required? 05:39:58 perhaps, right 05:40:11 And it seems simple and clean to me 05:40:12 the owner can of course disappear at any other time 05:40:16 I mean, time of the turn 05:40:25 I don't think that matters though 05:40:56 as long as an unpaired battlesphere is ignored before it vanishes 05:40:59 Yes 05:41:32 Like, if you kill a couple things with a fireball, the battlesphere owner might die, then some other guy might die, and then the battlesphere would die after this. I don't think it's a problem that it doesn't die in the middle of that event, for example 05:43:19 beh, apparently it's not a good enough fix :( 05:43:33 What, the one you just committed? 05:43:36 er, wait, it's opposite 05:43:38 ASSERT(battlesphere) in 'spl-summoning.cc' at line 2431 failed. 05:43:54 right after: You are suddenly pulled into a different region of the Abyss! 05:46:05 Ah, that's for leaving it behind 05:46:20 A problem with the current manner of linkage 05:46:37 Though I thought I fixed that 05:46:48 (Though it may have gotten broken again after the monster implementation - a few things did) 05:48:22 Basically, as it stands now, while DUR_BATTLESPHERE is true, it assumes the battlesphere must exist. Then it is confused when it does NOT exist (since, in this case, you just got pulled to a different part of the Abyss away from it) 05:49:01 [AFK, you can reproduce my stress test by what I quoted above, the bot casts spells with uppercase letters once in a while] 05:49:11 Well, I do know why it is happening here 05:49:29 I probably should just sit down and refactor this whole thing, and get these problems properly settled now 05:49:45 I just sort of burned myself out over the last couple days, programming for far too many hours at a stretch :) 05:50:31 With the Vaults monsters, and other projects still not fully formed 05:50:32 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:51:15 madreisz (L11 FeCj) ASSERT(!find_battlesphere(agent)) in 'spl-summoning.cc' at line 2458 failed. (Lair:5) 05:51:38 madreisz (L11 FeCj) ASSERT(!find_battlesphere(agent)) in 'spl-summoning.cc' at line 2458 failed. (Lair:5) 05:51:57 Sigh... 05:55:01 madreisz (L11 FeCj) ASSERT(!find_battlesphere(agent)) in 'spl-summoning.cc' at line 2458 failed. (Lair:5) 05:56:16 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:57:26 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:06:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12:59 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:26 * kilobyte has a hunch this one is not related to the Abyss. 06:14:33 Seems not, no 06:14:43 Not sure what the issue is, off-hand though 06:15:28 !lm madreisz type=crash -log 06:15:28 27. madreisz, XL11 FeCj, T:24464 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/madreisz/crash-madreisz-20130214-115500.txt 06:16:09 he just died 06:16:25 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:16:30 Oh, hmmmm... 06:16:35 And enchants were reset 06:16:40 Thus the problem 06:16:48 Do properties persist after felid death? 06:17:00 yes 06:18:00 Though... when the enchantment was ended, it should have killed the battlesphere with it. Unless felid death bypasses normal expiry procedure (I guess it probably does, or other odd stuff would happen) 06:18:41 hrm, for the abyss bot: somehow optimized builds all crashed within a couple thousand turns, yet a debug one is still puttering on (97k turns and counting) 06:18:59 I wonder why that should matter? 06:19:14 (And whether that indicates something ELSE wrong) 06:19:21 misc.cc:revive() 06:19:37 durations are just cleared 06:19:43 !lm Fleurka 06:19:44 Napkin: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:19:45 393. [2013-02-14 12:10:21] Fleurka the Soul Tainter (L8 CeDK) killed Menkaure on turn 7962. (D:7) 06:20:01 how do i get the morgue of her last death? 06:20:08 !lg Fleurka 06:20:09 86. Fleurka the Exhumer (L1 CeDK), worshipper of Yredelemnul, got out of the dungeon alive on 2013-02-14 10:59:11, with 20 points after 42 turns and 0:00:45. 06:20:12 !log Fleurka 06:20:13 86. Fleurka, XL1 CeDK, T:42: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/Fleurka/morgue-Fleurka-20130214-105911.txt 06:20:34 or !lg Fleurka -log 06:20:41 ah, thanks 06:20:50 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:24 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:00 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26:58 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 06:41:45 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:42:46 :) 06:49:04 DracoOmega: in the short term, should I allow missing battlespheres, or clear DUR_BATTLESPHERE on a newarea shift? 06:49:38 The latter might be best 06:50:03 Either way, if I don't get that refactoring done today, I will do so in the near future 06:54:10 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:02:20 -!- Goncyn has quit [] 07:04:54 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:43 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:15:50 -!- syraine has quit [Client Quit] 07:21:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:25:53 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:16 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:19 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:28 -!- OhYa_ImAtWork has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:37:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:48:59 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:49:16 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:17 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:52:31 Missing tile for MONS_ROCK_TROLL (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6645) by zkyp 08:00:52 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:03:50 -!- artless has quit [Client Quit] 08:12:58 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:22:57 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:29:15 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43:59 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:16 -!- Guest30975 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:21 -!- animegrampa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:01:45 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14:43 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:18:44 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:21:35 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:47:14 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 09:48:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:20 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:55:16 howie (L8 MiFi) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:5) 09:55:35 !lm howie crash -log 09:55:37 1. howie, XL8 MiFi, T:3593 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/howie/crash-howie-20130214-155514.txt 09:55:49 o_O? 09:58:05 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2228-g4c0ab01: Ignore missing battlespheres when trying to recast. 10(in the future, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c0ab014cc74 09:58:07 MarvinPA, did you see anything like #6645 (or rchandra's comment about removed skeletons, presumably applicable to other undead) the last time monsters were removed? 09:58:58 i don't recall it being reported as a bug before, but i'm pretty sure it's what's supposed to happen when monsters are removed 09:59:19 That's what I thought. 10:00:03 that's what the axed_mon thing does, just turns them into a dummy in case they already existed in a game somewhere 10:04:56 and rocks trolls are not rare 10:05:25 AXED_MON is supposed to be used only for monsters which can't actually spawn 10:06:03 like, removal of subtractor snakes was done by #ifdefing the code away, not removing it 10:06:06 same with Hive 10:06:37 I guess we could convert them to something existing 10:08:01 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:09:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:48 -!- Shadow1798 is now known as Schwer-Muta 10:14:14 just make a monster "axed monster" 10:14:22 always uses an axe 10:14:27 hp: 5 dam: 5 10:15:11 glyph Q 10:15:11 You mean something like Wiglaf? 10:15:11 He's a q; close enough :b 10:15:11 yes, replace all axed monsters with wiglaf 10:15:11 sounds good 10:15:48 ballsuck (L11 DsGl) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 80) (Orc:4) 10:15:57 !lm ballsuck crash -log 10:15:59 No milestones for ballsuck (crash). 10:16:07 * Grunt twiddles his thumbs for a moment... 10:16:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:21 !lm ballsuck crash -log 10:16:23 1. ballsuck, XL11 DsGl, T:14660 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ballsuck/crash-ballsuck-20130214-161547.txt 10:16:55 That's an interesting one... 10:17:10 -!- tren has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:17:13 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:02 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:20 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:30:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:58 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:29 -!- MaxFrost has quit [] 10:36:56 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:38:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:49 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:42:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:52 -!- _159 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:53:28 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 10:56:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:00:40 -!- metasyntactic is now known as kunwon1 11:06:42 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2229-g5634183: Comment fix. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=56341838a995 11:09:09 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 11:14:18 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 11:21:35 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 11:22:54 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you] 11:27:47 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:40 -!- morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:45:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:29 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:49:01 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:53:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:28 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:57:39 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 11:58:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:58:46 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:00:48 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:01:16 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:55 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:48 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:13:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:47 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:25:48 Well, I have refactored the linkages for battlespheres and things seem to work okay. At least in that respect. 12:26:13 Monster battlesphere behavior is still highly broken, though. It's immediately fleeing to the opposite end of the level as soon as this one shows up, for example 12:26:43 Like, just zooming off in the opposite direction and it keeps on going until it gets stuck in a corner 12:27:37 it wants to be free 12:27:47 One has to wonder 12:28:12 the BATTLESPHERES are actually an endangered race enslaved by evil wizards 12:30:27 http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110729105328/tardis/images/1/19/Toclafane-sphere.jpg 12:31:04 humans rescued from the end of time and subsequently enslaved :) 12:31:29 perfect 12:31:43 it's from doctor who 12:32:18 yes, I know, I just didn't make the connection until now :P 12:32:22 haha 12:32:33 the master basically counts as an evil wizard right? 12:36:45 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 12:45:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:45 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:38 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 12:48:08 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:24 -!- 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http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:05:02 -!- wh1te has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:05:23 -!- Guest30975 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:05:46 -!- wh1te has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:01 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:12:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:50 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: welp cya] 17:25:45 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36:00 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2230-g8afd272: Ghostify any axed monsters. 10(81 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8afd272e8701 17:36:02 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 17:39:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:24 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:55:42 why is traps skill so ineffective at, you know, disarming traps 17:55:59 i realize that the skill is junk anyway 17:56:07 why is traps skill not gone yet or at least capped at something far from 27 17:56:14 because disarmable traps aren't supposed to exist 17:56:14 but its pretty sad that you advance it up a ways and it still takes many tries to disarm something 17:57:01 i suggest harassing elliott to finish his traps patch 17:57:08 since harassing elliott is always a good plan anyway 17:57:13 im not even talking about patching things 17:57:17 just upping the chances 17:57:29 which i suppose is technically a patch 17:57:43 _You failed to disarm the trap. 17:57:44 _You failed to disarm the trap. 17:57:46 _You failed to disarm the trap. You avoid triggering an arrow trap. 17:57:47 _You failed to disarm the trap. 17:57:49 _You failed to disarm the trap. 17:57:53 etc, 17:57:57 at 7.0 Traps skill 17:59:47 rast: the patch removes traps skill 18:01:18 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2231-gf87b0e4: Remove a mimic vault 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 41-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f87b0e481356 18:01:18 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2232-g3327b90: Give the same Trog piety for all burnt books 10(6 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3327b90c9d1d 18:01:18 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2233-g52fcfc1: Fix Zin allowing transformed players to convert 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=52fcfc1eeae6 18:01:18 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2234-g805313b: Make electric eels Z_NOZOMBIE 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=805313b514dc 18:06:08 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:11 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:07:33 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07:50 elliott: sure, OK 18:08:15 but my complaint was with how ineffective the traps skill was at REMOVING TRAPS 18:08:25 yes but that won't be relevant when it doesn't exist 18:08:40 And also the traps do not exist. In fact, that makes the skill 100% effective at removing traps! 18:08:41 wheras with all the other skills, when you advance the skill, you get good at whatever the skill is 18:08:54 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:07 DracoOmega: in fact my patch is so conservative as to not even remove traps!! 18:09:36 its as if Osama gets 7.0 points in Bombmaking 18:09:48 ..and it lets him refine his own uranium and build a breeder reactor 18:10:04 meanwhile I put 7.0 points in Basketweaving and get "you cannot weave le basket" 18:10:14 i think you're possibly not reading what people are typing? 18:10:21 i am 18:10:49 but as I understand it, traps are being removed for entirely different reasons 18:11:28 the committer who removes traps obviously has a very high trap skill 18:11:48 traps aren't being removed 18:11:53 and also can you use less terrible analogies preferably 18:12:35 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest60005 18:13:13 is the skill being removed? 18:13:35 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:44 <|amethyst> that seems likely 18:13:52 rast: the patch removes traps skill 18:16:05 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:16:29 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-2235-g68c53d4: Generalize the Zin transformed-player fix. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 24-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68c53d4ef0ef 18:18:29 -!- ketsa_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:20 -!- Goncyn has quit [] 18:20:16 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:20:23 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 18:26:18 -!- gowby_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:21 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:16 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:38:06 how high do I need to train my ignore rast skill 18:38:34 -!- rkd has quit [] 18:40:32 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:47 MarvinPA: now the way is clear for identifying books when you step on them? 18:41:26 was trog ever the blocker to that 18:41:46 well, it was one of the few issues people had with it 18:42:00 well the actual blocker is have you seen the identification code 18:42:11 ah 18:42:15 i have not 18:42:37 i want to say "it cant be that hard", but i wont, i know better :( 18:42:45 marvinpa: so what happens when swamp_icy tries to place an electric eel simulacrum 18:42:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43:08 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:43:14 and tar_minmay_river tries for electric eel spectres 18:43:37 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:46:38 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 18:49:19 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:50 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 18:50:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 18:51:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:51:34 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:51:51 D Encompass Vault: Crystal Crosses Colossus (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6647) by Claws 18:52:41 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:33 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 19:02:48 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:04:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:06:13 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:17 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:19:36 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:21:37 http://sprunge.us/IeiT 19:23:09 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:34 don't suppose there are any loose special room ideas that don't suck I can use to replace e.g. morgues 19:42:32 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well] 19:45:52 morgues as in a bunch of zombies? 19:46:18 those rooms, yes 19:46:26 hmmmm 19:46:55 have tried to make them mean more with reapers and boss lich and what not but it's hard to make zombie spam particularly good even in hells 19:46:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:11 how about a room full of demons 19:47:46 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:47:52 pan rooms? 19:48:50 maybe 19:49:30 or have 5-4 tier demons at lower dungeon levels, like the demon pit idea but where you don't have to support a portal vault solely on the basis of crap ass demons 19:51:17 considering mythical zoos overlapped with your magical beasts portal vault idea evidently the solution is absorb all portal vaults 19:51:24 "red rooms" 19:52:21 you can have the magical beasts vault, if you want 19:52:52 i was having trouble thinking of a layout i liked 19:52:56 mmmm 19:53:23 it will be a good excuse to make people open doors to three sphinxes, four dragons, and six hydras 19:53:33 and who doesn't love that 19:53:47 nobody fun, that's who 19:56:00 btw special rooms should probably have runed doors 19:56:03 since they are mainly autoexplore traps 19:56:50 is there anything you do like about them, elliott 19:57:00 (adding that in right now) 19:57:12 elliott: they aren't autoexplore traps if they look just like other rooms 19:57:21 which they should 19:57:24 elliptic: IME they are often recognisable 19:57:34 definitely not for roguey 19:57:42 erm, layout_roguey 19:57:47 fixing that is of course acceptable too 19:58:45 elliott: mainly I remember recognizing them in lair 19:59:01 and there the correct answer is to make sure they get ruined 19:59:16 (maybe) 19:59:32 if they work in layouts such as bubble/delve and shit then they would stand out a lot 19:59:43 alternate: no door 19:59:48 they only place in layout_basic and subvaults in layout_roguey right now 20:00:16 layout_caves works right up until you notice the door because the spotty level connector is a lot better with minivaults than regular levels 20:00:59 the question really is what are special rooms supposed to do 20:01:03 the slime and spider incarnations I'm using here both ruin and that's because it's already appropiate for that in danger/layout but I'm not sure about Lair because swarming bees may get ridiculous 20:01:13 -!- kek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:23 special rooms are for uhhhhhh 20:02:02 Spite. 20:02:25 vaults highly malleable in shape trying to use out-of-depths and mass numbers to purposefully clash in a way that causes panic but not necessarily immediate death? 20:02:45 no door sounds pretty good 20:02:50 at least, this is what I've ended up emphasizing in my buffing of these rooms 20:03:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:03:15 elliptic: we'll have to get MarvinPA on that then 20:03:57 maybe I should make this more of a patch and let people test without doors 20:03:59 I like no door actually 20:05:09 no door does mean the inevitable "why is there a ridiculous amount of jellies on this floor oh a square room with a jiyva altar in it" with little but a random monster fireball/lightning bolt/whatever 20:06:21 soundproof the rooms 20:06:39 that's good though, that's a situation created through natural play 20:07:15 fair enough 20:07:47 so instead of opening the door to a surprise, it just guarantees a bunch of similar enemies wandering around, possibly still clustered into a surprise 20:08:08 should all rooms have patrolling instead of just bees then 20:08:52 I wouldn't say so, I like that they can create a zone of the floor you don't want to be near 20:09:24 can I at least make the lord_mon patrolling 20:09:46 lord_mon? 20:09:55 the queen bee in bee rooms 20:10:06 ah 20:10:17 it's not really used anywhere else in current vaults but I make nearly all of the rooms use a boss as such in this patch 20:10:24 wait, bee rooms have patrolling? 20:10:27 yes 20:10:31 it *really* doesn't play well 20:10:39 yeah I didn't know that either 20:10:44 I assumed it was just bees being weird 20:10:54 well, patrolling does have a particularly wide radius 20:11:05 but that explains why you can fight half the room and the other half will still be stuck inside 20:11:10 HangedMan: no, I don't mean that 20:11:23 I mean that bees in bee rooms behave really strangely 20:11:34 oh right, I remember that rarely but hadn't seen it recently 20:11:40 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:11:54 reminder is convincing, though 20:12:25 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:50 patrolling boss at least means there's always something still waiting when you flee and work your way back to the room, though, so 20:13:30 I don't really like that, boss should be with the other creatures 20:13:50 I agree 20:14:09 especially something like a warlord which frenzies and stuff 20:14:12 fine 20:16:02 elliptic: bees in bee rooms behaving strangely is great 20:16:04 makes 'em easy! 20:16:36 -!- Beneather has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:17:00 vaults, all about being easy 20:17:47 agreed 20:18:04 that's why i'm making an entry vault with eight potions of experience and a few randarts 20:18:36 my next project is an entry vault with a quad damage 20:19:28 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:20:29 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 20:23:21 -!- atrodo has quit [Client Quit] 20:27:46 nicolae-: more like potion of experience mimics and randart mimics 20:28:06 st_: hitting where it hurts 20:28:17 right in my heart mimic :( 20:28:35 I am tough because I care 20:28:43 thank you for caring 20:28:48 do you care because you are tough 20:28:48 about the death of mimics. 20:28:48 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30:00 but without mimics how can I stack literally 600 monsters onto one square for a sprint 20:30:23 my god that's brilliant 20:30:46 i mean, in theory, in practice it just makes you a bad person 20:31:17 what are the implications of that 20:31:33 in the monsters or in that I thought of it 20:31:54 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:34:08 what happens when you step on the pile 20:35:25 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:50 well the mimics displace each other to try and fill basically the entire level or at least all open floor connected to the pile 20:37:06 and then your whole los is mimics 20:37:20 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:40 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:23 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:43:40 that is good 20:45:42 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:15 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:04:26 -!- gomer has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:09:57 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 21:13:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:18:33 -!- flatmate has quit [] 21:22:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:29:10 joy1999 (L1 DDHe) (D:1) 21:30:35 !lm joy1999 crash -log 21:30:39 7. joy1999, XL1 DDHe, T:21 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/joy1999/crash-joy1999-20130215-032909.txt 21:33:51 DeadRobin the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1013: screen write out of bounds: (22,0) into (80,7) (D:1) 21:34:52 -!- chukamok has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:56 -!- chukamok has quit [Client Quit] 21:42:23 -!- chukamok has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:34 -!- chukamok has quit [Client Quit] 21:50:35 -!- Guest60005 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:06 -!- chukamok has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:14 -!- chukamok has quit [Client Quit] 21:52:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:05 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:58:35 -!- artless has quit [Quit: artless] 21:58:39 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-2236-g0a987ac: Really reduce monster LRD damage, to be consistent with targetter. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a987ac683b7 22:00:15 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:17 -!- chukamok 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