00:00:36 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2107-gc557f1f: Give drakes correct zombie tiles. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c557f1f28c03 00:00:58 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2107-gc557f1f (34) 00:02:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:50 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:03:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2107-gc557f1f (34) 00:09:41 -!- dtsund_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:59 -!- dtsund has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:10:01 -!- dtsund_ is now known as dtsund 00:18:07 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2107-gc557f1f 00:20:40 -!- Krenium has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21:36 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:23:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:23:19 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: http://oi45.tinypic.com/zxsbpx.jpg] 00:30:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:50 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53:20 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:56:41 -!- tJener_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:03:36 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:04:05 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:15 screaming sword text error (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6610) by rchandra 01:20:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:34:31 -!- odiv has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:38:12 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 01:40:10 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:52:28 -!- BananaHamma has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:52:44 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:57:12 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:03:20 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:23 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:09:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:13:45 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:23:47 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:29:01 -!- ChaseSP has quit [] 02:33:57 -!- peeps[lappy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:37:17 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:43:19 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:53 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:02:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10:47 -!- tJener has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:10:54 -!- jdpage has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:13:11 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:16 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:06 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:24:15 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:19 -!- alefury has quit [] 03:39:55 -!- Residualshad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:54:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:56 -!- wasd22_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:10:39 -!- Sabaki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:50 -!- monqy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:56 -!- monqy has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:11:01 -!- monqy_ is now known as monqy 04:22:37 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:25:48 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:40 -!- zero_one has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 04:37:45 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:43:46 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest34540 04:46:21 Does anyone here have any familiarity with map markers and might be able to suggest a reason why this new subclass I added causes crashes on load whenever it is placed? I have repeatedly checked that the read and write methods mirror each other, and the form of everything seems to match the other map markers 04:47:32 And the debug info of it while the game is active reports the correct messages 04:51:35 Hmmm... nevermind, I think I may have fixed it 04:51:46 Funny how I had been working on this for hours before asking, then find the answer 5 minutes later 04:52:02 Well, maybe not hourS, but... 04:52:55 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:54:12 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:56:26 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:20 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:13:10 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:13:33 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:36 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:17:17 -!- peeps[lappy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:24:11 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26:12 -!- Panfork has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:28:30 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:48 Player doll weapon tiles: differentiation of non-ego & ego (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6611) by roctavian 05:33:51 Meat tiles matching other icons (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6612) by roctavian 05:37:24 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:39:51 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:43:57 Crash playing HOWn of Beogh (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6613) by Medar 05:44:39 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:45:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:49:21 03Keskitalo 07* 0.12-a0-2108-gdc21da3: Continue moving tutorial lesson 4 messages into the database. 10(25 hours ago, 2 files, 13+ 28-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc21da3f8f5b 05:49:21 03Keskitalo 07* 0.12-a0-2109-gb24cecc: Move auto_drop_chunks to the correct section in init.txt. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b24ceccb6033 05:49:21 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-2110-gb7a9a3a: Fix potions of decay having the water icon (roctavian). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7a9a3a6a07e 05:49:37 -!- gomer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:56:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:06:11 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:46 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:32 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:30:10 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:30:59 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:39:34 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:45:42 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 06:46:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:22 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 07:15:30 _An arachnoid skeleton comes into view. 07:17:30 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:21:42 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:22:07 -!- Amilir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:22:56 i got an arachnoid zombie yesterdaym, forgot to mention that 07:23:45 One would assume an arachnoid skeleton only has the torso animated. 07:27:51 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:29:37 marvinpa: by omission does that mean you're essentially fine with all of these zig changes aside from earth 07:30:07 going to generate some floors and have a look, but vaguely yes 07:30:15 hooray 07:31:17 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:33:38 so no more dwarf zig soon? 07:33:40 :D :D :D 07:34:17 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:36:34 -!- Escalator has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 07:44:35 oh hm, making arachnoids Z_NOZOMBIE doesn't work because then arachne can't be zombified 07:52:06 arachnoid?? 07:52:20 genus for arachne and nothing else 07:52:28 by the way eronarn have you seen meatsprint 07:52:36 no 07:53:22 it is amazing and whatever you did to inspire it is worthy of praise 07:53:32 http://pastie.org/pastes/6092759/text 07:53:41 something about meat arenas 07:55:47 HangedMan: hahahhahaha 07:55:59 it's even a weird fucked up hexagon 07:58:11 it's probably the best sprint, too 07:59:59 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:00:44 I'm really feeling like reverting the arachnoid change, and fixing it some other way 08:00:59 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:07 especially as spectrals (both Death Channel and Yred's enslave) look broken 08:01:39 I'd say the "fix" is worse than the problem, too 08:02:47 "a chunk of Arachne meat" -- debatable whether a lack of "'s" is even a bug at all. If it is, then let's add that instead of inventing "arachnoid corpse of Arachne" 08:03:31 yeah, that sounds better to me 08:04:15 * kilobyte is not a native speaker -- is "chunk of Arachne meat" incorrect? 08:07:35 doesn't seem objectionable to me 08:07:58 a little weird maybe, but "foo corpse of Bar" is arguably weirder 08:08:00 haha, that meatsprint intro text. awesome. 08:08:17 where's a recent version of meatsprint? 08:08:34 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 08:09:13 http://pastie.org/pastes/6092759/text 08:09:25 oh hahaha nice 08:09:31 it really does have sil-style poetry 08:09:55 fr: axe of woe unrand just for this 08:10:17 for some value of "sil-style" :P 08:10:18 Axe of Woe 08:10:38 if Sprint 1 has several uniques, a specific unrand isn't too much 08:11:24 Chuck, Nellie, Iron Giant, Iron Elemental 08:11:32 isn't that sprint 3 08:11:40 no idea why these last two are uniques at all 08:11:44 is is nellie not in regular crawl? 08:11:52 s/is is/why is 08:11:53 she isn't 08:11:56 HangedMan: that's the original sprint 08:12:02 really 08:12:09 nellie is sprint 3, at least? 08:12:12 alefury: because witches, I guess 08:12:12 and iron giant 08:12:35 alefury: because nellie is basically a hellephant :P 08:12:37 Nellie (13Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 240 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(133), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4813 | Sp: fire breath (3d40), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 08:12:37 %??nellie 08:12:39 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 141-205 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(133), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4437 | Sp: fire breath (3d40), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 08:12:39 %??hellephant 08:12:41 with more hp 08:12:49 a hellephant with the best tile 08:12:54 give _her_ flame blast 08:12:57 Jory is also an one-vault wonder that shows up once in a tourney 08:13:02 two 08:13:09 jory has a good spellset! 08:13:13 he just needs vaults that don't silence him 08:13:18 working on it 08:13:39 but nellie has a description, and an awesome tile 08:14:48 WTF is that "pastie" shit. It's some asinine javascript, to make sure you can't wget or even manually save stuff. 08:15:11 just s/text/download/ 08:15:22 I don't see any javascript doing anything like that in the source? 08:15:42 not sure why it has an HTML page for plain text view by default though (to set a title? analytics?) 08:16:07 there's no content at all, just that javascript which then pulls it in another request 08:16:36 might be to avoid silly browser crap 08:16:50 sometimes text files are shown in the browser, sometimes they are downloaded by default 08:16:58 it was a problem with the ##crawl-dev logs on s-z.org 08:17:31 even with explicitely sent Content-type: ? 08:17:42 i have no idea, |amethyst might know more 08:17:57 because the server guessing the type would be an obvious cause 08:19:30 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 meatsprint message 08:26:24 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:27:32 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:31:18 kilobyte: compare the logs for february 6th and today on s-z.org... both are sent with Content-Type: text/plain, but chrome decides to download the one for today, while displaying the other (firefox apparently wants to download them all) 08:35:28 An ogre, a hell beast and Sigmund come into view. -- should be, a meat berserker, a meat beast and The Captor 08:35:56 for once, vault monsters need things done to fix their functionality instead of removal 08:36:33 kilobyte: they also sometimes go back to their base types when pluralised in the monster list 08:36:36 though not always 08:40:34 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:40:49 edlothiol: iirc something about the first line or letter used to trigger the difference in browser behaviour 08:41:04 edlothiol: also at some point there were differences with firefox too 08:43:30 alefury: yes, chrome seems to not believe the headers if it finds non-ascii bytes in the first n bytes or something 08:49:24 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:10:03 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 09:11:01 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:55 and what if you specify the charset (although I'm 99% sure you already do) 09:13:30 <|amethyst> specifying the charset, or even setting the Content-Disposition header, didn't seem to do anything when I was trying to fix the problem 09:13:46 <|amethyst> in the ##crawl-dev logs 09:14:13 <|amethyst> at least with Chrome 09:14:43 i was using firefox at the time, nothing you did helped 09:15:51 -!- thetao has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:17:42 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:26 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:23:05 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:25:27 re: viewing the logs in the browser, that's what http://spasche.net/openinbrowser/ is for 09:27:32 <|amethyst> I think they should stop being half-assed about it and open *any* page in an external editor if there are any control characters in the first 100 or so bytes 09:27:43 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:27:46 <|amethyst> tab, newline, whatever... HTML, PNG, whatever 09:28:11 <|amethyst> then someone might be inclined to fix it 09:28:58 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 09:29:43 ooh, lots of new spells in enum.h 09:29:50 ??fulminant prism 09:29:51 fulminant prism[1/2]: Level 5 conjuration/hexes, new in 0.12. Conjures an explosive prism at a smite-targeted location which will detonate with a radius-2 explosion after 2 turns, dealing considerable irresistible damage. 09:29:57 somebody should note into the abyss branch description and/or gateways into the abyss description about the rune being only in deeper abyss 09:29:58 very excited for 0.12 09:30:16 the most important 0.12 feature will be meatsprint 09:30:32 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:35 the most important 0.12 feature will be clouds of delightful frivolity 09:31:48 chaos butterflies kind of negate merry go moth, even if they can't be used in anywhere but abyss 09:32:25 the most important 0.12 feature will be... um 09:32:26 ??chaos butterfly 09:32:26 chaos butterfly[1/2]: An abyssal monster surrounded by rain clouds at all times; occasionally summons a twister. Deals chaos damage in melee. Otherwise about as squishy as a moth of wrath. 09:32:28 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:32 trying to think of something stupid and inconsequential 09:32:47 chaos butterfly (14b) | Spd: 25 | HD: 9 | HP: 33-64 | AC/EV: 0/25 | Dam: 2509(chaos) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(36), 12wind | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1001 | Sp: twister | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 09:32:47 %??chaos butterfly 09:33:06 HangedMan: they do not at all negate carousel moths 09:33:10 carousel moths are delightful 09:33:21 I'm going to put up some code soon for them and you will play them 09:33:38 the difference between a b that summons twisters and a y that is perma-no-damage-tornado is 09:33:56 the y doesnt kill you? 09:34:08 admittedly yes 09:34:11 HangedMan: carousel moths are perma-no-damage-tornado with keepaway and crimson imp blinking 09:34:21 maintain_range 09:34:22 sounds really annoying 09:34:23 really 09:34:28 yep 09:34:32 it might be super terrible! 09:34:39 but I am highly amused by them 09:35:02 basically I would only ever put them in the zot hall lungs 09:36:15 and maybe in tiamat's band 09:36:52 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:37:52 they were super simple to code, I wouldn't be despondent if they got rejected 09:37:56 I coded them in like two hours 09:43:17 cleaning up the code to make it not so hacky would take a while longer, but I'd only do that if people wanted them 09:45:33 bad timing, we're busy wallowing in meatsprint awesomeness at the moment 09:45:49 meatsprint *does* look pretty awesome 09:46:39 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:43 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2111-g0944067: Also give giant lizard types correct zombie tiles. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=094406789b83 09:47:35 -!- Vizer__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:48:14 I wonder if there's any point in any strategy other than axe melee of Makhleb 09:48:33 warper _sometimes_ manages to memorize blink, but only sometimes 09:48:35 arguably ranged with the slaying you get 09:49:14 only felids get any slaying 09:49:27 monsters drop it 09:49:36 in increasing enchantments 09:49:39 -!- rkd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:48 have to use the axe to get started though 09:49:49 the monster slaying is pretty weak compared to the axe 09:49:54 so you can wear two 27000,27000 rings 09:50:04 HangedMan: well dam+400 is pretty good still 09:50:12 but I don't know how much HP the tougher stuff has 09:50:15 learn add meatsprint 09:50:19 probably thousands 09:50:19 not against hp:65259876985762 monsters 09:51:06 kilobyte: I hope you used 64-bit ints for hp 09:52:24 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:27 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54:37 -!- rkd2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:57:24 hm, where do I put this map file in order to play meatsprint 09:57:54 replace red_sonja.des with it 09:59:57 poor red sonja :( 10:00:10 You open the bag of meat like a pillowcase!!! 10:00:10 The bag of meat is heavily wounded. 10:00:17 still can get bad rolls :( 10:00:44 fr you open the iron dragon like a bag of meat 10:01:00 FR: pillowcases 10:03:06 kilobyte: what meatsprint really wants is an automatic-hit instakill weapon 10:03:19 the axe of accuracy 10:03:26 +27,-1 hand axe? 10:03:28 really, a lot of its monsters want to be instakills too 10:05:55 the error message when placing the axe should be considered a feature 10:06:29 elliott: well they need the hp to avoid being killed by pclouds/fireballs/inner flame/whatever 10:07:26 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:33 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:48 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:07:53 * elliott said nothing about changing the HP 10:08:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: napping/Saber] 10:09:22 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:25 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:23 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes is now known as HangedMan 10:29:37 has anyone won meatsprint? 10:30:19 a few people have survived long enough for the boss to spawn 10:30:54 I haven't myself, though I haven't played a huge amount since I did some balance tweaks 10:31:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:51 aw damnit, died the turn after the boss arrived :( 10:48:08 where does the boss spawn? 10:48:15 on the < 10:48:35 perhaps it should be randomised a little, but I didn't want it to be fully random 10:50:12 -!- rkd has quit [] 10:50:50 there is a message for it, so you know when it happens 11:00:29 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:03:30 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:37 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:07:56 wtf... the meatlord summons a bunch of shadow fiends every turns 11:08:01 how can you kill THAT? 11:08:50 especially when slowed... which killing mummies will at some point do, and there's too little time for the slowness to go away 11:11:01 anybody have enough lua knowledge to know why using greater demon in zig sets causes assert crashes 11:11:28 ASSERT(me != nULL) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2499 failed. 11:11:31 shouldn't, care to pass a test case? 11:12:10 http://sprunge.us/Jeej 11:32:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:07 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:38 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:40:19 I am VERY VERY bored 11:40:20 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sGYYHPnQ 11:40:33 fr: cyberdemon 11:41:13 a layout without anything to actually fight inside it is a little silly 11:41:27 when it explicitly seems to not want to be decor that is 11:41:30 HangedMan: hi 11:44:02 mumra: do you know enough lua to fix the error just above 11:44:49 because marvinpa isn't going to approve chaos zigs without them actually being dangerous but he's not going to commit the full zig changes because the zig lua being weighted by floor order makes it awkward to remove zig floors and and and 11:45:02 wha 11:45:22 actually I have no idea what the current plans with the patch really are 11:45:44 i was going to push it minus chaos floor 11:46:18 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:59 are you really sure about stuff being weighted by order 11:47:58 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:05 HangedMan: sorry, am at work, keep getting sidetracked by all this damn work stuff ;) 11:48:18 bah 11:50:04 it's not weighted by order but in my defense the rest of this .lua file is a mess 11:52:18 HangedMan: does "greater demon" definitely work _outside_ of zigs? 11:52:27 yes, pan.des uses it a lot 11:52:34 hellion (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-52 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(65), 05hellfire, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 602 | Sp: hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:52:34 %??greater demon 11:53:56 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:56 unknown monster: "nonbase draconian" 11:53:56 %??nonbase draconian 11:53:56 unknown monster: "base draconian" 11:53:56 %??base draconian 11:53:56 hmm 11:54:05 sixfirhy (124) | Spd: 40 (move: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 27-54 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:7-9) | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(56), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 506 | Sz: little | Int: normal. 11:54:05 %??common demon 11:54:13 iron imp (105) | Spd: 8 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 6/8 | Dam: 12 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(12), 05hellfire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 40 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 11:54:13 %??any demon 11:54:24 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:28 well, now we know! 11:54:59 base draconian and nonbase draconian works in the current zig lua, adding general demons doesn't 12:03:03 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:04:23 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 12:06:00 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!] 12:06:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:53 who is to praise for all the new spells since december 12:12:58 they all sound really great 12:13:16 the new conj book is from dracoomega iirc 12:14:30 !cheers DracoOmega 12:14:31 * Henzell slides a shot glass of scotch across the bar to DracoOmega, on the house. 12:15:46 bh made disjunction 12:15:55 -!- gluup_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:16 also cool, but not new to me 12:16:24 that's been in since like november 12:17:47 Thanks :) 12:20:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:23 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:25:58 somebody needs to code starspawn tentacle tiles :C 12:26:16 Oh yeah, you actually drew those, didn't you? 12:26:20 I don't think I ever saw them 12:26:42 ontoclasm: please put the deep troll class tiles into the unused folder for grunt to use later 12:26:45 * kilobyte ponders bag of meat tiles. 12:26:53 HangedMan: roger 12:27:05 st_ said that all of the monsters are going to have really disgusting descriptions 12:27:16 so whenever he's done that that should be the base 12:27:20 HangedMan: please no, at least that idea sucks halfling appendages 12:27:42 ^that idea that was posted a week or so ago 12:28:09 deep trolls have the unique quality of... being late D yaks that open doors 12:29:05 yeah, but that's not a reason to have a yet another cookie-cutter race of spellcasters 12:29:12 nothing but a unique uses lrd and only extended/said unique use dig, the entire band gets to hit hard in some fashion instead of the usual elves 12:29:30 I don't think there's anything cookie-cutter about the spell sets for the classed deep trolls here 12:29:35 In terms of repeating existing monsters 12:29:37 HangedMan: Changed what you said. Now it's a 50/50 shot at being either an upstairs/portal or a downstairs. 12:29:54 compare your two sentences: "late D yaks", "hit hard" 12:30:08 previous sentence than 12:30:10 then 12:30:13 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-54 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 205 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 12:30:13 %??yak 12:30:15 unknown monster: "deep torll" 12:30:15 %??deep torll 12:30:18 deep troll (08T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 20, 20 | 10doors, sense invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(40) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1020 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 12:30:18 %??deep troll 12:30:28 late D death yaks, then 12:30:30 Yaks hit relatively hard for when you first find them, certainly if you are tanking multiple at once 12:30:36 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:30:45 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:30:55 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:58 In any case, dig makes an interesting tactical combo with a melee band 12:31:01 D:7 yaks are murder, D:27 deep trolls are not 12:31:11 As does have having someone around to haste them 12:31:26 deep trolls show up earlier than d:27 like how yaks show up later than d:7 12:31:39 Besides, it's not like that can't be adjusted in any case 12:32:24 But I'm pretty sure that no matter how you slice it, the band of normal speed melee things gets more interesting when you add one or two support characters into the mix, to open up attack pathways and speed and heal things 12:32:25 Will monsters use dig in any meaningful way? 12:32:43 The only time that ever happened was when I got that one makhleb vault with the cacodemon behind glass and it dug away the glass. 12:32:56 I haven't seen how well cacodemons use it in practice now, admittedly 12:32:59 if you're fighting them in corridors they dig out random pieces to make them not corridors, and if you flee from digging enemies they have a good chance of catching up 12:33:00 But the concept seems very sound 12:33:14 since they'll just cut through corners and what not 12:33:22 03HangedMan 07* 0.12-a0-2112-gfd9c007: Boring Ziggurat theme interest infusion, floor management 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 30+ 17-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd9c0071f2e3 12:33:22 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2113-g5b20fdb: Remove the earth ziggurat theme 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b20fdbfe6f2 12:33:22 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2114-gfb17d7a: Give some genus dummy monsters Z_NOZOMBIE 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb17d7a461f8 12:33:22 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-2115-g2b3e906: Further Ziggurat adjustments 10(43 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 20-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b3e906f1236 12:33:22 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2116-gd15d4da: Deep troll class tiles (in UNUSED for now) 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d15d4da8d4dc 12:33:25 (This was D:5. I then teleported away without dying and only getting slowed. ANd then landed next to an ogre. 12:33:35 yessssssssssssssss 12:36:56 -!- Sobieck00 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:11 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2116-gd15d4da (34) 12:39:31 -!- anidude has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:17 what does SPFLAG_NEUTRAL mean? 12:46:20 Dig has it 12:46:43 as does mass abjuraion, animate dead, corpse rot 12:46:53 PoG 12:47:43 -!- codile has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:48:09 I think it means it can target either friendly or hostile things 12:48:40 Which doesn't much matter in those cases 12:48:45 friendly or hostile walls 12:48:47 Well, dig I suppose\ 12:49:01 fr: hostile walls 12:49:09 It's possible for dig it plays some roll in them being okay with firing dig through allies 12:49:12 Though that may be something else, too 12:50:24 HangedMan: vault mimic 12:50:45 a vault that appears to be another vault in the game until you walk into the middle of it, at which point every wall turns into a mimic 12:51:24 DracoOmega: it appears that casting these spells does not amuse xom 12:51:35 hostile walls can surely be done without mimics 12:51:37 wait no 12:51:45 xom *actively dislikes* neutral spells 12:51:49 Haha, he does? 12:51:52 so if you're with xom, don't go animating any dead 12:51:56 I didn't think Xom actively disliked anything 12:52:16 DracoOmega: god_dislikes_spell, goditem.cc 12:52:30 xom is sensible and knows most zombies are boring 12:53:04 -!- letmeon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:53:06 he also doesn't like divinations spells, apparently 12:53:07 Well, it also says that Ely dislikes conjurations, if you notice 12:53:09 get with the times, xom 12:53:18 So clearly this doesn't mean what it looks like it might mean\ 12:53:27 (So what the heck DOES it mean, anyway?) 12:53:36 fr buff ely wrath, make her give a negative enhancer for any vehumet-supported spells 12:53:39 well note that there's a separate god_hates_spell 12:53:45 for the duration of the wrath 12:53:46 Oh, this function is just used for naming 12:53:50 Randbooks 12:53:58 oh ha 12:54:12 So no books of conjurations will have Ely's name on it (which makes sense) 12:54:27 do any books have trog's name 12:54:31 And Xom will never put his name on books of spells that are helpful to you (which also makes sense) 12:55:31 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 12:55:48 DracoOmega: but does this mean that a necro spellbook of ely is possible? 12:55:54 No 12:56:03 It also checks spells they disapprove of in the piety fashion 12:56:07 In a seperate function 12:56:10 Elyvilon's Tome of Tortured Souls 12:56:23 This is just a bunch of extra stuff that's largely meaningless 12:56:44 1learn add goodcode 12:57:06 HangedMan: do you think that "Madeleine's Frivolous Circumvolutrix" exceeds the spell name length restrictions 12:57:33 yes 12:57:41 what is the maximum length 12:59:22 30? 12:59:32 "Iskenderun's Arcane Familiar" seems pretty long 12:59:40 29 chars 13:00:05 it just barely fits onto defaultterm I screen 13:00:08 so don't break that 13:00:14 haha 13:00:55 Well, it's only 3 more chars than IMB, I think? 13:01:25 I think 30 is indeed the limit 13:01:45 HangedMan: help me think of a two-character name for this tloc wizard 13:01:56 two characters, really 13:02:01 ooh, if the name ends in "s" we can make it three characters 13:02:24 not much better 13:03:03 "Qx's Frivolous Circumvolutrix" 13:03:34 xw's frivolous bottification 13:05:00 What is this spell even supposed to do, by the way? 13:05:11 DracoOmega: it's just the player version of the carousel moth enchantment 13:05:20 I'm basically just having fun, super bored right now 13:05:25 Haha 13:05:33 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:37 So, basically a damageless tornado? 13:05:46 DracoOmega: damageless and noiseless 13:05:55 but very much not cloudless 13:06:00 sooo cloudy 13:06:05 more clouds than tornado in fact 13:06:12 and prettier clouds 13:06:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06:25 HangedMan: wait did you actually try it out 13:06:31 how else could you have known 13:06:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:43 I remember you talking about it having clouds before 13:06:56 I had to make a new, non-LOS-blocking cloud type 13:07:01 I already did my bit of effort for the day 13:07:04 I am not sure whether this spell would even have a purpose as a player spell. Though I suppose the clouds alone could be useful, but without them....? 13:07:06 otherwise it would just be a better Darkness 13:07:13 Oh, they don't block los? 13:07:15 horribly killing people in zigs 13:07:31 DracoOmega: that's why the word "frivolous" is in the name, yes. but also could be excellent for speedrunners I guess 13:07:39 waltzing and ninjas 13:07:40 Aren't there already several effectless transparent cloud types? 13:07:53 not really? 13:07:55 depending on spell level to be easier to deal with that disjunction 13:08:00 what spell level is this 13:08:05 and especially not any with ETC_WARP 13:08:14 Well, that color, perhaps not 13:08:20 But I do seem to recall some colored mist? 13:08:21 thin mist, sparse dust, magical condensation 13:08:30 HangedMan: no idea, I was thinking 4 tloc/charms but I really don't care 13:08:38 somebody would probably kill me if I used sparse dust cloud generators 13:08:47 maybe 5 if someone thinks it could ever actually be useful 13:08:48 Well, do they even do anything? 13:08:59 no but it's clearly abuse 13:09:17 omnipresent dust 13:09:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:38 HangedMan: Make it like those abyssal cloud things you talked about, that burst open if you open a door, and theme it as a dusty library 13:09:45 haha 13:09:47 ...mmmmmm 13:09:50 that would be awesome 13:09:51 You just open the door and so very much dust pours out 13:09:58 I want that everywhere 13:10:00 all over my body 13:13:50 Yay for silly logic errors 13:13:59 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:11 A routine to test if a door can be closed starts off with: 13:14:13 if (!feat_is_closed_door(grd(door))) 13:14:14 return false; 13:14:23 -!- Panfork has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:14:41 While earlier, the routine is only called if the opposite is true 13:14:41 that... seems not right 13:14:44 It isn't! 13:16:30 -!- fooobarrr has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:16 what's the easiest way to change compilers for OS X? i.e. I'm not using OS X built compiler 13:17:17 -!- Stelpa has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:17:55 Sorry - let me rephrase, I'm using gcc 4.7.3, how can I make that change 13:18:50 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:19:37 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:19:43 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:46 well... I did do CC=gcc-4.xxx and CPP=g++-4.xxx 13:19:50 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:20:00 there were just a bunch of flags I didn't care about.... 13:21:31 Sorry, no idea 13:23:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:21 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:25 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:29:25 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:32:36 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:31 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:36:59 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:37:20 Well, this is shaping up more quickly than I might have expected 13:37:35 what is? 13:37:51 A new monster intended for Vaults branch 13:38:05 Wait, a monster exclusive to the vaults? 13:38:07 BLASPHEMY 13:38:12 I'm working on a couple! 13:38:17 Well, one is already 'done' 13:38:24 BLASPHEMY I SAY 13:38:32 This one is a little more complicated 13:38:36 Vaults is supposed to be the dungeon only with a different layout 13:38:53 (note: this is a bad thing) 13:38:57 !abyss Lightli 13:38:57 Though pleasingly, on the very first test of its heuristic about which doors are scaried to leave open, it sealed off only the ones that DIDN'T have the titans looking at you through it 13:38:58 does it lock all doors in los until you kill it 13:38:58 Wensley casts a spell. Lightli is devoured by a tear in reality! 13:39:02 -!- rlbond86 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:39:05 scarier* 13:39:18 !abyss Wensley 13:39:19 Lightli miscasts Banishment. Lightli is cast into the Abyss! 13:39:19 oh, it locks... safe doors? 13:39:22 hahahahhaahah 13:39:30 Lightli: nice try 13:39:37 damn you got owned 13:39:42 HangedMan: Well, the doors that are safe on the other side are probably the ones you want to escape through 13:39:44 the problem is how do you add monsters to V 13:39:47