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easily solvable by just writing the number as a literal 03:23:16 * kilobyte checked it runs on win2k, so unknown flags are ignored. 03:27:05 kilobyte: win7, mingw, g++ 4.4.40 03:27:08 4.4.0 03:28:43 it's a matter of win32 headers rather than the compiler proper 03:28:55 pushed, Chei is slow 03:31:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2067-g37dcc8a: Don't create other items in baileys' glass displays. 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=37dcc8a08b89 03:31:27 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2068-g6c35d26: Define _O_U8TEXT by its numeric value on old compilers. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c35d263d0cb 03:33:14 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:33:28 -!- Wehk_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:03 -!- Senjai is now known as Senjai|AFK 03:35:23 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:12 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:39:03 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-log 08:01:08 4359. tewe, XL19 HECj, T:49218 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/tewe/crash-tewe-20130204-140020.txt 08:02:29 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: that looks like your code 08:02:51 It does =/ 08:03:48 -!- Goncyn has quit [] 08:04:34 I did ask for a second set of eyes on it, given what I was touching on, but I guess he didn't notice anything amiss either 08:05:13 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: in targetter_imb, you changed a fedhas_shoot_through to beam.ignores_monster 08:05:21 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: but the former accepts NULL, the latter does not 08:05:36 Oh, is it being given a null? 08:05:50 <|amethyst> in particular, monster_at() can be NULL even if anyone_there() is true, because you count for the latter but not the former 08:05:55 I just replaced them since ignores_monster CONTAINS the same call to fedhas_shoot_through, so it's strictly superior 08:06:15 Well, clearly not in ALL senses 08:06:53 Does that mean it's basically as simple as inserting a null check in ignores_monster? 08:07:38 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:11 <|amethyst> yeah... it might be better, but a larger change, to fix the calls and have ignores_monster assert on null 08:09:03 So... probably targetter_imb shouldn't be calling it with nulls at all, you think? 08:09:07 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:11:44 I am practically on my way to bed here, so any thoughts I might have on the matter are rather befuddled at the moment 08:12:31 <|amethyst> yeah 08:12:31 <|amethyst> oh 08:12:43 <|amethyst> I bet the problem isn't the player, it's remembered monsters 08:13:11 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:13:42 <|amethyst> maybe just !(anyone_there(c) && monster_at(c) && ...) 08:13:56 <|amethyst> though I think there may be an info leak that wouldn't fix 08:14:12 -!- Guest11455 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:14:16 <|amethyst> in that the beam is testing the real monster, not the monster_info 08:14:35 <|amethyst> not sure about that last part, though 08:15:14 -!- timbw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:16:05 The targeter shows splashes off of monsters that are out of sight? 08:16:51 I actually don't recall ever noticing this feature 08:16:54 <|amethyst> that's what I'm not sure about 08:21:33 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:22:48 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:22:53 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:56 So basically, it looks like this will crash if some part of the imb splash path would hit a monster that you remember being somewhere out of sight, but which no longer occupies that location? 08:23:10 (And nothing else does) 08:24:33 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2070-gd609bed: Remove apparently unused monster flag at the next major version bump. The individual monster property accomplishes the same thing. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d609bed3511b 08:24:55 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: that's my guess anyway 08:25:07 <|amethyst> tewe = tw_ is in ##crawl right now, you could ask 08:25:21 <|amethyst> or look at a ttyrec 08:25:29 -!- tJener has quit [Client Quit] 08:25:39 Well, it would be easy enough to set up and test this scenario 08:25:44 (Too tired to do this now, though) 08:26:09 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:10 Of course, a null check would introduce a slight (and probably irrelevant) info leak 08:26:13 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:17 -!- Amilir has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:27 If the monster you remembered seeing there was permeable, yet the beam is suddenly acting like it isn't 08:26:44 <|amethyst> that leak was already there 08:27:03 Oh, I suppose. With just plants, though 08:27:10 Right? 08:27:38 <|amethyst> yeah 08:27:40 Now you can get it in the exceedingly unlikely situation that there is some hostile iood out of sight and positioned in just the very right plac 08:27:54 And you are firing at it 08:29:12 My feeling is that it's fine to just stick something like 'if (!monster) return true;' in ignores_monster and consider the info leak issues a really minor seperate issue 08:29:53 Since not crashing is more important and a more 'correct' fix might be harder here, or at least take more thinking presently 08:30:05 <|amethyst> hm 08:30:15 <|amethyst> fedhas_shoot_through returned false for a null victim 08:30:22 <|amethyst> s/ned/ns/ 08:30:59 Well, honestly it seems whether a can-hit check for something that does not exist should return true or false is a matter for debate 08:31:07 It seems like the kind of question with an undefined answer 08:31:10 <|amethyst> well 08:31:21 <|amethyst> what if you remember a monster there but it's not really there anymore 08:31:38 Oh, hmmm... 08:31:54 Maybe it IS safer to assume that it's solid in that case 08:31:55 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 08:32:10 <|amethyst> I guess that was how the leak was mostly avoided previously 08:32:23 I probably AM too tired to try to be giving opinions on these things presently, but I seem to keep trying anyway :P 08:33:30 <|amethyst> get some sleep before coding the fix :) 08:34:29 Haha 08:34:38 Oh, I'm not foolish enough to try CODING at the moment 08:34:44 That would just be silly 08:34:55 <|amethyst> you're better than me then :) 08:34:59 Haha 08:35:09 <|amethyst> %git brown paper 08:35:09 Could not find commit brown paper (git returned 128) 08:35:21 <|amethyst> %git :/brown paper 08:35:22 03|amethyst * 0.11-a0-2761-gd744141: Fix ridiculous octopode squeeze damage. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d744141a0150 08:35:26 Hahaha 08:35:31 Ubersqueeze! 08:35:56 <|amethyst> %git :/brown paper^^{/brown paper} 08:35:56 Could not find commit :/brown paper^^{/brown paper} (git returned 128) 08:36:46 <|amethyst> aw, was hoping to get 08:36:52 <|amethyst> %git aa5e9a84 08:36:52 03kilobyte * 0.11-a0-2440-gaa5e9a8: Wasps don't make wax, but something akin to brown paper. 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa5e9a846b20 08:37:03 <|amethyst> wasps are responsible for hiding our shame 08:37:23 Ha 08:37:50 tewe (L18 HECj) (Vaults:2) 08:37:54 Boo 08:37:56 Stop it 08:38:02 You'll make me feel guilty for sleeping :P 08:38:05 what does the ^^ mean? 08:38:20 i know what it does in this context 08:38:55 <|amethyst> alefury: the first ^ is "parent", the second part of ^{/foo} 08:39:12 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/brown paper} 08:39:12 03|amethyst * 0.11-a0-2761-gd744141: Fix ridiculous octopode squeeze damage. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d744141a0150 08:39:14 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/brown paper}^{/brown paper} 08:39:15 03|amethyst * 0.11-a0-2761-gd744141: Fix ridiculous octopode squeeze damage. 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d744141a0150 08:39:29 <|amethyst> without the doubled ^, it searches starting from the current commit 08:39:37 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/brown paper}^^{/brown paper} 08:39:38 03kilobyte * 0.11-a0-2440-gaa5e9a8: Wasps don't make wax, but something akin to brown paper. 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa5e9a846b20 08:40:32 is there documentation for %git somewhere? 08:40:40 <|amethyst> not really 08:40:42 because it would be nice 08:40:43 <|amethyst> it takes a commit name 08:40:45 ??git search 08:40:46 I don't have a page labeled git_search in my learndb. 08:40:46 <|amethyst> man gitrevisions 08:40:58 oh, someone deleted my list of things i cant remember :( 08:41:50 how will i ever remember :/ now? 08:42:10 or ^^{/} 08:42:24 the latter is in ??black magic at least 08:42:31 <|amethyst> ??black magic 08:42:31 black magic[1/3]: !lg * vmsg~~\).*\).*\).*\).*\) 08:42:34 <|amethyst> ??black magic[2] 08:42:35 black magic[2/3]: <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/rod}^^{/rod} 08:42:36 <|amethyst> ??black magic[3] 08:42:36 black magic[3/3]: SHUFFLE: qS?tViwYJzOl / tViwYJzOKqS? / wYJzOKqS?tVi / zOKqS?tViwY, y&KpRmsUHvXj / vXjy&KpRmsUH / sUHvXjy&KpRm / pRmsUHvXjy&, SMViYJOK / MSiVJYKO, &KRmUHXj / K&mRHUjX, QmThWIZk / mQhTIWkZ 08:42:49 <|amethyst> I think hangedman wins 08:42:50 i believe thats fake 08:43:05 <|amethyst> I've seen similar in some of his real vaults 08:43:14 yeah, but not quite as crazy 08:43:27 it's not fake, it's from his wizlab 08:43:28 like, half as long, without & and ? 08:43:32 oh wow 08:43:38 ill have to look at that 08:43:56 it didnt seem fucked up when i saw it ingame, so it must work 08:44:03 it's actually not that complex, the first half is just shuffling the same set of letters 3 along each time 08:44:34 riiiight 08:44:34 the last 4 are a bit weirder though 08:45:23 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:46:13 oh wow, thats actually in there 08:46:36 also some subst and nsubst lines 08:47:02 FTILE: '"GbcaFn45_+ = floor_demonic_green 08:47:04 haha 08:47:18 <|amethyst> st_: the second one is also a cyclic permutation, almost 08:47:40 <|amethyst> !tell HangedMan y&KpRmsUHvXj / vXjy&KpRmsUH / sUHvXjy&KpRm / pRmsUHvXjy& is it a bug that the last one doesn't end in K ? 08:47:40 |amethyst: OK, I'll let HangedMan know. 08:48:12 |amethyst: I'm actually wondering what cause targetter_imb would have to check monsters out of LoS, now that I look at it. Since you can't aim out of LoS and it doesn't actually display the expected path that the explosion will travel, if it would go out of LoS 08:48:28 <|amethyst> !tell HangedMan never mind, the K is there in the source, I was looking at black_magic[3] 08:48:29 |amethyst: OK, I'll let HangedMan know. 08:49:00 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: what if it explodes near the edge and one of the beams goes outside LOS? 08:49:16 The targetter doesn't show any part of the path that leaves LoS 08:49:29 Even if the beam could actually travel there, post-explosion 08:49:43 <|amethyst> doesn't show, but does it get computed anyway? 08:49:55 <|amethyst> IIRC beams could bounce out of sight and come back in-sight 08:50:08 Well, lightning could 08:50:10 <|amethyst> yeah 08:50:14 (Or fire and cold off green crystal) 08:50:40 I wonder if the regular beam targetter can crash in those cases now, too? 08:50:48 Or if this is a targetter_imb-specific problem 08:51:07 Well, so far it has only BEEN imb, so.... 08:51:45 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: well, there is one call of the same type in targetter_beam and another in set_aim 08:51:52 Yes 08:51:55 There were a few of them 08:52:13 <|amethyst> so I would guess that, yes, it could crash with other spells 08:52:51 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:52:51 (It did seem like ignores_monster was just a superset of fedhas_shoot_through, but....) 08:52:54 <|amethyst> but if it's what I suggested, that would only happen with area-of-effect or explodings pells 08:53:31 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: right, if you make ignores_monster handle null the same way fedhas_shoot_through does that would definitely fix the crash 08:53:37 Yeah 08:54:06 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:56:35 But at this point I am totally dropping, so goodnight 08:57:32 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: night... I'll patch it, it's simple enough 08:57:37 Thanks :) 08:57:44 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:59:44 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:32 -!- gsterballer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:02:53 -!- Elyv has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:48 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:08:09 -!- Elyv is now known as ogaz 09:19:33 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:20:08 -!- Sobieck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:21:17 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:24:51 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:28:38 -!- odra_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:30:14 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-2071-g1dab03b: Avoid a crash when targetting IMB. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dab03bb242c 09:31:33 |amethyst: clearly I am a terrible person for letting that slip by; sorry! 09:32:07 ("You feel terrible.") 09:33:38 -!- sumd00d has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:34:19 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34:19 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2071-g1dab03b (34) 09:34:59 |amethyst: can you remove the inception branch from cszo? 09:35:08 i believe its no longer needed 09:37:02 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:42 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:41:41 <|amethyst> alefury: whee? 09:41:45 <|amethyst> alefury: where? 09:42:03 <|amethyst> alefury: it should be removed from the menus, and in webtiles it gives you a "has been merged into trunk" message 09:42:19 <|amethyst> alefury: actually removing it from the list in webtiles will require a restart 09:43:11 <|amethyst> alefury: (the config has already been changed, so it will happen next time webtiles is restarted) 09:44:33 ah 09:50:02 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:52 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:54 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:59 -!- metasyntactic is now known as kunwon1 10:07:06 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 10:13:46 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:48 Merging slime creatures cause arena fights to continue indefinitely (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6602) by kviiri 10:32:17 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:32 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:41:05 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:47:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:36 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:01:02 -!- Sobieck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:23 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:10:48 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:12:03 -!- rwbarton has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:13:54 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:22:06 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 11:25:02 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:25:07 another layout experiment: http://pbrd.co/VF8cqi (possibly Snake this time) 11:26:29 mumra, does that draw overlapping approximations of circles of various radiuses? 11:27:50 Zaba: I've added code-generated rooms to the newnewvaults code. Then generating random ellipse-shaped rooms of varying sizes. Finally modified the door/window decorator to paint floor instead of carving doors and windows. 11:28:08 well, yes, ellipses, not circles 11:28:35 it just struck me as too regular - I would somehow randomize the cells along their edges 11:28:42 yep; but they're technically not overlapping either, instead extra floor is added in to connect them 11:29:05 other than that, it looks pretty nice 11:29:23 -!- rkd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:29 Zaba: Could easily randomise the shapes a bit. This was just a quick test to see how much variation I could get out of newnewv code ;) 11:29:36 -!- rkd2 has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:46 (with basically minor configuration changes) 11:29:53 I knew those layouts felt suspiciously familiar. :b 11:30:20 haha 11:30:32 wait til i somehow combine it with delve :P 11:32:53 can we start calling it hypervaults 11:32:59 so we don't have to keep saying "newnewvaults" 11:33:05 Technically, these layouts are newnewnewvaults, since so much has changed from the previous code. I just need a more sensible name like, uh, YES - hypervaults! 11:33:41 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:35:22 oh, someone deleted my list of things i cant remember :( 11:35:24 ??commit search 11:35:24 commit search[1/2]: %git :/text 11:36:47 !tell galehar I believe the analysis kilobyte is referring to is https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=92039#p92039 which I linked in here when it was posted 11:36:47 elliott: OK, I'll let galehar know. 11:37:30 -!- rossi has quit [Client Quit] 11:48:32 -!- descol has quit [Client Quit] 11:52:44 elliott: ah, thanks. i just need to remember where i put it, and i even forgot that. :( 11:53:09 !learn add git_search see {commit search} 11:53:09 git search[1/1]: see {commit search} 11:53:16 * elliott just searched %git on the html learndb 11:56:35 ??git search 11:56:35 commit search[1/2]: %git :/text 11:59:37 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 12:02:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:18 -!- LordSloth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:05:02 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:27 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:10:49 -!- Prominence has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:11:14 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:11:56 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2072-ga09e06b: Add formatting fixes. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a09e06b1c08a 12:13:47 -!- aspy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:15:38 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19:37 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:23:17 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:37:29 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:02 -!- Nation_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:46:35 -!- unpaidbill has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:49:19 -!- codile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:51:15 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:51:20 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:56:18 -!- Crabe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56:31 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:36 -!- Nefhilion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:59:53 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:46 -!- maha has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 13:05:38 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:07:32 -!- hyptro_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:59 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13:22 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:50 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:54 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:36 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2073-gfdbd97d: Give giant leeches their own genus. 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdbd97d89496 13:23:53 MongoFromTheCongo (L27 MiFi) ASSERT(feat > DNGN_UNSEEN) in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 571 failed. (Abyss:2) 13:24:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:33:23 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:28 -!- mivue has quit [Client Quit] 13:34:38 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:05 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:39:12 -!- Prominence has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:16 -!- Prominence_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:40:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:41:31 -!- casmith_789 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:13 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:45:12 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:45:57 -!- Elyv has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:08 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:51:50 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:52:07 -!- Elyv is now known as ogaz 13:52:26 bashing people with a ranged weapon is also cheating fwiw 13:52:35 that is probably the more important thing here 13:53:21 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:47 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:02 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2074-gb2eacf2: Properly give giant lizards and drakes their own genus. 10(25 minutes ago, 2 files, 37+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2eacf26682b 13:58:02 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2075-g60e61e6: Fix Mantis 6274: Properly give Arachne a genus and species. 10(14 minutes ago, 2 files, 17+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60e61e6028bf 13:58:02 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2076-g8272304: Fix wording and a typo. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82723045f726 13:59:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:00:47 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:01:43 -!- mreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:03:33 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:05:27 -!- prominence has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:07:53 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:48 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:15 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:02 -!- Alumjha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:25:03 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:26:42 -!- Jolly__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:27:11 hmm I've had a great idea for a sprint map 14:27:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:17 is it good 14:28:33 it's give you and the monsters +999 weapons so everything is one hit kills 14:30:32 monqy: remember original monqys-crawl 14:30:43 hah I love how much blood these weapons create 14:31:05 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:33:29 do monster double moves spell death 14:34:03 well kiting them will be a bad idea I guess 14:34:54 i mean i'm guessing the idea is to use positioning so you can guarantee hits on monsters before they can hit you, but then if they get a double move to move next to you and immediately hit.... 14:35:22 monqy: patch out random energy, thanks 14:37:31 its just part of the excitement of sprint 14:37:33 later you can get ddoor 14:37:35 to "tank" a few hits 14:37:38 and the hp loss won't even matter 14:37:50 it'll just be immortality with a timeout 14:37:53 ddoor berserker 14:38:01 good synergy right here 14:38:23 elliott: where do you think you'll get ddoor from :P 14:38:28 so are there going to be no cj-casting monsters? 14:38:28 st_: um sif 14:38:31 kiku of course 14:38:33 um altars??? 14:38:40 monqy: you need sif for disjunction 14:38:48 st_: you can't just make a sprint and not put every god in it 14:38:52 that's just not how it's done!! 14:39:03 um lots of sprints dont have every god 14:39:07 where lots is "sprint 4" 14:39:10 yes those are known as "the bad sprints" 14:39:23 i thought sprint 3 omitted one 14:39:27 remember when sprint 1 random altars didn't guarantee every god! 14:39:33 sometimes you got duplicates 14:39:37 and ommissions 14:40:26 elliott: I'm not sure entirely what the monsters are going to be, but ranged monsters would be kind of silly 14:40:37 +999 bow of chaos 14:40:53 st_: imo make all the +100 weapons clubs 14:41:04 I guess they could have -999 -999 bows of dispersal and stuff? 14:41:12 well +999 -999 14:41:13 1 still doesn't guarantee every god i thought 14:41:34 well at least the duplicates were fixed right 14:41:39 no 14:41:46 :o 14:42:52 also 2-4 and thunderdome have no ash, probably 1 also shouldn't, 4 has no fedhas 14:43:31 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-2077-ged5c562: More adjustments to inner flame death messages. 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 23+ 13-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed5c562e7505 14:43:38 zigsprint ash also sounds weird 14:43:59 cease this anti-ash crusading 14:44:03 maybe 3 and pitsprint could be big enough for ash but i dunno 14:44:05 zigsprint vitrify is p.good 14:44:22 so probably scrying does the same thing 14:44:43 r.i.p. vitrification/scrying abuse in sprint / or are there new ones 14:45:10 just imagine if zigsprint was around for scrystorm 14:50:00 -!- codile_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 14:50:19 psh, why does the game complain about +999 being a bad plus value 14:50:20 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:50:33 still lets me do it though 14:51:27 st_: its not big enough 14:51:49 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:51:54 if it didn't complain, someone would've submitted real vaults doing something like that by now :P 14:52:26 why does it let you do it at all then 14:53:48 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:59 MarvinPA: +9999999 vamp triple sword behind permaglass 14:54:03 with no_tele 14:54:11 a good vault 14:54:36 would someone submitting a real vault like that actually test in game 14:54:48 this warning is clearly poorly thought out 14:55:01 good point 14:55:37 what should the theme of this be 14:56:52 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:58 st_: realism 14:58:12 how many times could you survive being stabbed with a sword before you die irl 14:58:31 show the true horrors of war 15:01:42 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:03:12 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:14:01 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:54 +999 sounds like fun 15:14:56 Gibsprint? 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nothing? 16:30:36 infinite emptiness 16:32:33 you don't 16:32:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:56 -!- cocofalco has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:43:47 -!- AManNamedSusan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:52:51 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:01:51 Ningyo (L1 NaDK) ERROR in 'stuff.cc' at line 732: slot not a letter: � (-252) (D:1) 17:02:00 uh 17:02:03 nice 17:02:10 !lm * crash -log 17:02:11 4362. Ningyo, XL1 NaDK, T:89 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/Ningyo/crash-Ningyo-20130204-230148.txt 17:03:53 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:19 curious 17:07:19 abyss doesn't exist in sprint now? excellent 17:08:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:09:37 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:19:04 -!- Frosteey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:09 can anyone think of a clever way to make monsters no xp, but still permanent in a vault (sprint)? 17:29:35 durably summon them somehow?? 17:30:41 don't see anything for that in syntax.txt 17:31:05 it's possible just to set stuff as summoned, but it forces a duration too 17:31:12 -!- Frosteey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:24 I suppose that would work if I used lua to drop stuff when you get close 17:31:49 (but I don't want to use lua) 17:32:06 luasprint, made 100% out of lua 17:32:33 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:47 you can use dur:x to set duration 17:33:14 but dur:6, the max lets you sit and rest and everything goes poof 17:33:27 st_: Does dur:0 work 17:33:44 (I imagine it just gets ignored) 17:33:58 st_: just put a time limit on the sprint 17:34:08 if you spend more than N turns you die 17:34:14 Anti-camping time limit 17:34:16 the Orb is summoned 17:34:16 wizmode summon duration also has 1-6 as valid range 17:34:32 0 doesn't work 17:34:32 would be somewhat helpful to make 0 durably summoned i guess 17:34:46 yeah, that sounds like a pretty easy patch 17:34:55 learn add ontoclasm_patches 17:34:59 :D 17:35:27 -!- shmuale is now known as wheals 17:37:15 nothing is "pretty easy" in monster_info ;) 17:37:52 I suppose it's possible durably summoned could be a perm_ench 17:38:00 who knows 17:38:11 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:38:35 -!- Jude has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:41:06 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:54 well looks like there are some perm_ench things that could work out 17:43:08 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:49:11 dur:0 in several places means "not summoned" so i think that would stop the "no xp" thing working 17:50:38 i wonder how player permanent summons work? 17:51:46 -!- ChickenWing has quit [Client Quit] 17:53:17 <|amethyst> like scroll of summoning? 17:53:25 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:54:08 We would want something like a M_NO_EXP_GAIN-spec in monster spec. 17:54:35 That would be tricky to do though. 17:54:37 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:54:56 scroll of summoning is so 2011 17:54:58 :o 17:55:11 <|amethyst> oops, unholy creation 17:55:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:55:41 Grunt: it also should really be communicated to the player, as summons already do 17:55:45 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:23 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:57:55 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:02:56 interesting ... player-created permanent summons (e.g. abominations) don't seem to have any flag marking them as such. as far as i can see. 18:03:19 I can think of one case where such a flag is set - mercenaries! 18:05:04 Grunt: i don't see where the flag gets set in the mercenary code 18:06:15 It's very non-intuitive. 18:06:35 <|amethyst> mg.extra_flags |= (MF_NO_REWARD | MF_HARD_RESET); 18:06:40 See mon-ench.cc:1760-1763, which shows that "durably summoned" -> MF_HARD_RESET | MF_NO_REWARD. 18:06:55 Combine that with the line |amethyst just quoted... :) 18:08:05 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:09:36 aha, yeah that is pretty obscure 18:10:16 and presumably no way to set those flags in a mons spec? 18:11:21 Not at present, no. 18:11:43 st_: why not make another monster spawn every time one times out, that would stop the player just waiting it out? 18:15:31 I don't know how to code lua 18:16:09 (or anything else) 18:16:11 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:20:27 -!- motorbit has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:23:12 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:23:23 -!- JudeDude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 18:25:41 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:33:06 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:35:47 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:38:01 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:38:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:42:29 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:34 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:17 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:51 !tell galehar the problem is, weapons go down to a single stat, those with a faster delay merely get a few percent bonus to the listed damage. This removes all incentives to choose easier weapons whose you could use to a decent degree with 14ish skill but which don't improve much later. 18:43:52 kilobyte: OK, I'll let galehar know. 18:47:49 I like that a +999 dagger can fail to kill hp:30 stuff 18:49:03 st_: +9999 plz 18:49:14 I probably will have to! 18:49:27 then you upgrade to +99999 18:49:37 !tell galehar one possible solution would be to make effective weapon speed quadratic (or a similar curve), ie, preserving the mid-range bump on fast stuff. It's the magic threshold what's bad, the general non-linear shape is a good thing. 18:49:37 kilobyte: OK, I'll let galehar know. 18:49:45 the +9999999999 sword of doom & terror 18:49:56 clearly we need GDA (guaranteed damage addition) 18:50:01 too bad I can't create artefacts 18:50:05 I would love to name the weapons 18:51:55 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:20 <|amethyst> st_: you can create unrands without touching much code 19:00:35 <|amethyst> st_: of course, if it has a unique fixedart effect, that needs code 19:00:52 <|amethyst> st_: and there is a small amount of mostly boilerplate code for tiles etc 19:01:02 <|amethyst> st_: but most of it is done in art-data.txt 19:01:42 we should add a fixedart that instantly wins the game for you, it would make things easier, i m o 19:01:52 call it the orb of zug 19:02:00 <|amethyst> st_: I see no reason not to have lots more unrands (maybe not fixedarts with special effects) 19:02:16 well a +9999 unrand would be pretty silly 19:02:30 i think it loops over at +128 anyway 19:02:38 (fun with wizmode) 19:02:48 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:50 how about a fixedart where the special effect is instant kill, “that'd work right„ 19:03:12 instant kill... *on the wielder* 19:03:24 <|amethyst> nicolae-: really? they're both shorts in the weapon def 19:03:32 hmmm 19:03:34 <|amethyst> err, in the item_def 19:03:38 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:03:55 monqy: fixedart where the special effect is deathspell 19:03:56 <|amethyst> it could be that's getting cast to char somewhere, but if so that should be fixed 19:04:08 <|amethyst> amulet of local global 19:04:16 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:16 <|amethyst> invocable that is 19:04:16 yessssss 19:04:19 maybe it was higher than 128, then, all i remember is messing around with increasingly ridiculous enchantments on weapons and then at some point i was whiffing every hit 19:04:22 except it should be local global god imo 19:04:25 call it Naniwa 19:04:37 also offers bazaar of naniwa etc. 19:05:03 <|amethyst> I haven't played crawlt (that's what that's from, right?) but I really like the name 19:05:14 local global? 19:05:17 it's crawl-alternative, yes 19:05:24 <|amethyst> nicolae-: yeah 19:05:30 nicolae-: it's a spell in an amazing fork of crawl from before dcss existed 19:05:34 <|amethyst> it swaps your vicinity with another region 19:05:41 what it does is, you get the level map and you pick another los-shaped area 19:05:50 it swaps the contents of those two areas, including items and monsters and walls etc. 19:05:53 elliott won't do the lua for an abyss vault of the storehouse of naniwa because he thinks it ruins the canon 19:05:54 HangedMan: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:05:56 you stay in your original map position 19:05:57 <|amethyst> elliott: and you? 19:05:58 <|amethyst> oh 19:06:01 so if you e.g. go down to V:5 19:06:03 and choose a corner 19:06:06 -!- johnthebear has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:06 the vault guards end up in a corner 19:06:11 er V:8 in crawlt 19:06:15 neat 19:06:21 and you end up in the middle of V:8 with a bunch of stuff from the corner of the level around you 19:06:30 that sounds ridiculously op 19:06:33 but neat 19:07:28 well, crawl-alternative doesn't really concern itself with a traditional notion of balance 19:07:40 ah 19:08:01 mumra's letting newnewvaults vaults overwrite each other looked pretty local-global-esque, I look forward to him doing that with lua-made vaults for an inception layout 19:08:12 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:02 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Changing host] 19:09:30 <|amethyst> is there an echo in here? 19:09:42 is there an echo in here? 19:09:55 ...is that what started this discussion, I wasn't done reading today's logs yet 19:10:04 <|amethyst> oh, no 19:10:15 <|amethyst> I was commenting on "newnewvaults vaults" 19:10:18 -!- rkd has quit [] 19:10:30 nnv v 19:10:46 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:10:50 <|amethyst> I thought it was hypervaults now? 19:10:55 The slime creature falls through a shaft! 19:10:57 _The shaft crumbles and collapses. DEAD MONSTER vanishes! 19:11:01 is that a normal message? 19:11:10 nope, but it'll be a good new entry 19:11:59 <|amethyst> rast: it is not, you can file a bug report 19:12:11 its .11 19:12:12 <|amethyst> I guess HangedMan's learndb entry is kind of like a bug report 19:12:22 <|amethyst> hm... might be fixed them 19:12:24 hahaha 19:12:27 <|amethyst> I've gtg so no time to check 19:12:48 ??trivia[13] 19:12:48 trivia[13/22]: place:Foo spectre for a long period of time didn't respect holiness like the other syntax requests for appropriate monsters, so it was possible to get spectral plants (which move, oddly enough) 19:12:50 the messages before were 19:12:52 You throw a dart of dispersal. 19:12:53 The dart of dispersal hits the slime creature. 19:12:54 still not fixed 19:13:20 <|amethyst> rast: was the shaft in-sight or out? 19:13:27 unsure 19:24:43 HangedMan: i started experimenting with layouts for other branches. also it occurred to me i could do something with Shoals:$ - placing small clusters of huts with interconnecting doors 19:25:23 hrm 19:26:01 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:30 the open space of shoals:$ with monsters fast and swarming in open water plus the huts scattering mean monsters across the level is kind of the distinguishing element of shoals:$ compared to most other branch ends, and I don't like changing this too much (which is why my caves still use the shoal hut placement stuff) 19:27:02 it might be interesting as its own new end, though 19:27:35 hmm, true. 19:29:07 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:30:00 backlog sprint talk makes me want to seriously start working on mnolegsprint, siiigh 19:30:09 stupid trillion vault projects and patches 19:30:43 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:31:23 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:46 was thinking just 2 or 3 huts in each cluster, and the clusters still scattered - so it's more like just slightly more complex buildings rather than changing the overall dynamic too much. you could have e.g. one of your bigger huts with a couple of small ones bolted on. anyway, was just an idea i got when experimenting with circular rooms for the snake layout. 19:32:23 certainly sounds interesting 19:32:28 bubble huts 19:32:37 Floating huts 19:36:27 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:37:26 or, treehouse village for Forest branch ... 19:37:54 how's the progress on that 19:38:37 I don't believe grunt's done much work on that in a while 19:39:33 branch you only do when you have fcloud or fireball, worse than blade? 19:39:46 airstrike also good 19:40:10 but yes the first new comment that really needs to be done for forest is make spriggans less exaggerated 19:40:34 or just not base forest around spriggans, because even dwarves are more interesting 19:40:38 and they really aren't :( 19:41:16 surely spriggans can be interesting 19:41:28 just steal sword dancers and orb of electrocution air mages 19:41:39 probably i just don't like spriggans 19:41:45 very plausible 19:41:45 and i see this being in {racism} soon 19:41:56 maybe spriggans don't like you either 19:41:57 not negative enough 19:42:22 a human branch. 19:42:46 V???? 19:42:56 right, damn 19:43:02 if only V 19:43:03 felid branch 19:44:12 octopode branch 19:45:23 if octopodes didn't have demon tridents so often I wouldn't mind their current dummy stats as random shoals enemies 19:45:27 octopode (11x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-56 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Dam: 20, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(8), 12drown | XP: 227 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:45:27 %??octopode 19:45:38 well, with a little hd boost 19:46:12 i was once thinking of a shoals vault with redefined octopodes but didn't have many ideas 19:46:48 and most of the ideas i had were existing merfolk variants but on octopode 19:49:04 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:50:34 another idea: redefining a kraken to have some spells, call it a kraken mage, downside: if you give it conjurations it'll just blast the shit out of its own tentacles 80% of the time 19:50:44 other downside: you just vault-redefined a kraken 19:50:53 may take you years to get over the shame 19:51:05 obvious solution is an earth themed kraken unique 19:51:11 jorgrun the kraken 19:51:12 with rock-worm swimming for all patrs 19:51:22 and the tentacles cast stuff 19:51:48 having to page through 100 --more--s of errors to test this sprint is getting annoying! 19:52:04 it has a special move where it spins around really fast, tentacle tornado 19:52:28 does it still give --more-- if you gave everything rings of slaying +999 instead 19:52:46 st_: press escape? 19:52:58 elliott: doesn't work unfortunately 19:53:07 oh no 19:54:34 -!- peepsalot has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:54:45 press it harder 19:54:56 I can hold it pretty hard 19:55:14 -!- peepsalot has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:55:37 HangedMan: ! 19:55:41 that works somehow??? 19:56:18 fr +999 rings of slaying 19:56:21 though it doesn't seem to increase their damage 19:56:22 my endless gimmick creativity, actually useful for something 19:56:24 oh 19:56:24 haha 19:56:27 they are too good 19:56:30 useful for nothing 19:56:33