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06:50:36 <st_> mumra: excellent work with the commits last night! everything seems to work beautifully now
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07:01:39 <st_> quite happy with the way this has turned out
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08:12:48 <st_> mumra: seems like the maze layouts are the ones that cause the levels to take forever to generate
08:13:45 <st_> I've had snakey and bifur both take a while, it seems to stop while rotating something (not sure if it's while rotating or after or what)
08:14:49 <st_> also may or may not be a coincidence, but after the rotating I've noticed a couple times it's finding the v_room series of vaults
08:15:15 <mumra> morning
08:15:25 <mumra> what do you mean by "after the rotating"?
08:16:13 <st_> well I'm using a debug build, and the messages freeze on "Rotating v_misc_20 clockwise" or whatever
08:16:28 <st_> at least, that's what I've noticed a few times
08:16:45 <mumra> maybe infiniplex used them as subvaults in one of the newvaults vault?
08:17:17 <st_> I've removed all those vaults
08:20:15 <mumra> sorry, misunderstood (thought you were talking about V:$ vaults for some bizarre reason)
08:20:27 <mumra> why shouldn't it be finding them?
08:21:19 <st_> not sure, just seemed like those were the ones that appeared after it started grinding
08:21:27 <st_> probably just coincidence
08:22:43 <mumra> ohh i think i get what you mean. it is probably harder and more exensive to find somewhere to place those rooms. i could reduce the number of tries it takes per room somewhat and burn through more rooms instead.
08:23:39 <mumra> there should be a balance somewhere to get optimal performance and level diversity
08:24:05 <mumra> but those specific layouts, i know why they're blocking things a bit more and i can tweak the algorithm to improve that
08:24:23 <Cheibriados> 19 Overflow Altars (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569) by helsbecter
08:25:35 <st_> cool
08:25:58 <st_> I've made some hard vaults today, I think we've a pretty good set of subvaults right now
08:26:35 <st_> probably there should just be one hard vault per floor though, I'm concerned it would push difficulty/loot up to much otherwise
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08:30:19 <mumra> i'll add a max_rooms setting per vauilt type i think
08:30:36 <mumra> how many normal monster rooms do you think there should be on average?
08:32:31 <st_> about 6 seems to be good
08:33:59 <mumra> that's what i was thinking
08:34:10 <elliott> 27 imo
08:34:26 <mumra> haha ;) 27 max rooms including emtpy ones
08:34:44 <mumra> it has been at 25 for a while i don't know why that didn't occur to me
08:35:02 <st_> seems like crypt entry vaults fail to place a fair amount
08:37:41 <mumra> i've seen vaults place extremely occasionally but either the dungeon builder isn't really trying or it can't figure out where to place anything
08:38:02 <st_> yeah I did one spawn once
08:38:35 <mumra> ok i have one real issue to solve
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08:40:20 <elliott> st_: imo you should make some blade entrance vaults that don't have dancing weapons
08:40:45 <st_> would they just have weapons then?
08:41:03 <st_> anyway, no dancing weapons in newnewvaults :P
08:42:55 <elliott> they can have anything they want as long as they dilute the one that does
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08:55:44 <alefury> whats wrong with dancing weapons?
08:58:18 <elliott> generally speaking branches are meant to be inside the branches, not in their entrance vaults
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09:02:11 <st_> I actually don't mind those entrance vaults
09:02:28 <st_> but they don't spawn now anyway
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09:18:10 <mumra> i've just been implementing handling for @ and empty space in map border
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09:19:58 <mumra> you don't need orient tags now
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09:20:25 <elliott> st_: I wouldn't mind them if they had fewer weapons
09:20:34 <elliott> and didn't get nasty brands
09:22:21 <ChrisOelmueller> i wouldn't mind that vault spawning if it accidentally didn't contain an entry to Blade, and nothing else did either
09:22:46 <mumra> was this in trunk?
09:23:59 <elliott> it's a newvaults addition
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09:28:41 <ChrisOelmueller> where do i need to lobby for making blade a V subvault of at most 20x20 instead of a branch
09:28:52 <ChrisOelmueller> can even get runed doors for all i care
09:29:02 <ChrisOelmueller> just not a useless branch
09:30:45 <mumra> it could be a bit bigger than that
09:30:59 <mumra> are runed doors still a thing ? i had a feeling they were going for some reason
09:32:15 <elliott> it's secret doors that went
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09:33:44 <st_> blade is antiquated but I like it for some reason
09:34:11 <elliott> I like blade because people go in it and get banished or die
09:34:21 <elliott> ideally those people are not me
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10:20:31 <Cheibriados> issues with weapon font color on main HUD (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6570) by battaile
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10:39:34 <mumra> st_: could you push your .des changes to the repository if i give you commit rights?
10:39:55 <st_> I could try
10:40:29 <mumra> or make a patch
10:40:51 <mumra> was that the final version you pasted me or have you changed more since?
10:40:58 <st_> changed more since
10:41:09 <st_> patch works too
10:41:33 <mumra> i want to test this new version with all the vaults
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10:44:03 <st_> I'll just clean it up a little and upload a patch to mantis
10:44:14 <mumra> cool thanks
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10:46:36 <mumra> no not yet
10:46:46 <mumra> but i'll do that now
10:47:24 <mumra> i'm just pushing the @ stuff
10:47:50 <Zaba> so you're basically reimplementing _pick_float_exits in lua?
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10:59:40 <mumra> Zaba: not exactly. i need a list of possible exits because i might want to connect more rooms to them later on.
11:00:10 <mumra> st_: I pushed stuff for limiting numbers room types
11:00:17 <mumra> st_; and thanks for that patch
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11:02:34 <mumra> Zaba: also, _pick_float_exits doesn't care about which direction the exit is going or anything else, whereas i need to store some information relating to which wall the exit is on. actually checking for the @ is the easy part.
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11:08:24 <frogbotherer> !messages
11:08:25 <Henzell> No messages for frogbotherer.
11:08:34 * Grunt bothers frogbotherer.
11:08:37 <Grunt> :b
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11:09:26 <frogbotherer> what've i broken this time? :D
11:09:35 <Grunt> Haha.
11:09:46 <Grunt> Nothing, as far as I know, but it'll crop up sooner or later! <_<
11:12:18 <mumra> Zaba: it has occurred to me that portions of my code and doing some strikingly similar things to normal vault placement; but it's going about it in a very different way, and e.g. respecting existing architecture
11:13:17 <Zaba> mumra, that you have to reinvent it entirely just to make it behave slightly differently serves only to prove that the existing normal vault placement code is terrible ;p
11:13:40 <Grunt> We've known that for a while, now, though, haven't we? :b
11:16:00 <mumra> heh :) it might have to behave more than a little differently i think
11:16:34 <mumra> but yeah, this could replace normal vault placement and it could largely be an improvement
11:17:36 <mumra> i didn't really mean for it to get so advanced but the scope kept widening. it's largely HangedMan's fault.
11:19:06 <Zaba> it may be a good idea to keep it somewhat simpler, or at least move some of the things that are nasty in lua to the API
11:20:40 <Zaba> I mean, we all know what complicated lua does to sanity, right?
11:21:17 <mumra> the problem is the "nasty" bits (they're not that bad anyway) interact with the lua in a fairly complex fashion and it would be difficult to separate. also i'm doing some stuff that's only really possible in lua like using callbacks.
11:21:37 <elliott> Zaba: and complicated C++ doesn't?
11:22:19 <Zaba> elliott, at the moment, C++ has a much saner interface to many level-related things than lua
11:22:21 <Grunt> Zaba: it's called black magic for a reason...
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11:23:10 <mumra> i've already improved that interface somewhat
11:23:17 <elliott> Zaba: my peril-sensitive sunglasses happily prevent me from seeing any level-generation-related code, so I will have to take your word for it
11:30:17 <mumra> a - a +2 pair of sunglasses {rPeril}
11:34:07 <Dixbert> Grunt: why's it gotta be black
11:34:11 <Dixbert> what's that supposed to mean
11:35:19 <Grunt> Dixbert, we have some vaults use excessive amounts of Lua (magic) to create terrifying effects (black magic). <_<
11:35:40 <Dixbert> is that new ash vault an example
11:35:49 <Dixbert> or is there something more terrifying
11:35:55 <Grunt> Which Ash vault?
11:36:05 <Dixbert> the one with the "see what i see"
11:36:12 <Dixbert> and the visions of branches
11:36:13 <Grunt> grunt_ashenzari_visionary <_<
11:36:27 <Dixbert> ah
11:36:29 <Dixbert> i like that one!
11:36:40 <Grunt> :)
11:36:53 <ChrisOelmueller> should sometimes just show slime imo
11:37:25 <Grunt> That would be a slimy way to do things..
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11:51:32 <mumra> some of these layouts are glorious.
11:51:50 <mumra> is it time to put in a merge request?  ... what cares about blade entry vaults anyway? ;)
11:51:55 <mumra> s/what/who
11:52:08 * elliott is interested in seeing cool example levels
11:52:12 <ChrisOelmueller> how about crypt entries :P
11:52:13 <elliott> I guess I should just try it myself
11:53:04 <Grunt> Well, putting those together can be kind of cryptic.
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11:54:46 <mumra> like 80-90% of the are awesome, the others are still average or better, imo of course ;)
11:54:59 <mumra> i don't really know which ones to show off
11:55:10 <mumra> let me just push st_'s patch first
11:56:19 <mumra> there, it's good to test now
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11:57:03 <mumra> ChrisOelmueller: crypt entries could be a problem too. there's always a staircase at least ;)
11:57:18 <ChrisOelmueller> wouldn't mind losing Blade staircases at all
11:57:20 <ChrisOelmueller> imo a feature
11:57:31 <elliott> i am termcasting newnewvaults again
11:57:37 <mumra> oooo
11:57:42 <mumra> 1 sec
11:58:26 <elliott> goddammit mumra did you change a header file
11:58:37 <elliott> i should keep my ccache in not /tmp so it works across reboots
11:58:50 <mumra> yeah i changed a header or two :P
11:59:04 <mumra> that is slow
11:59:28 <elliott> please feel at liberty to buy me a new computer for newnewvaults testing :P
11:59:48 <Zaba> reboot? just suspend (or hibernate) :P
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12:00:15 <elliott> Zaba: I think my computer may be too EXTREMELY AWESOME for linux to support that
12:00:57 <Zaba> uh, I doubt that
12:01:15 <elliott> by extremely awesome I mean terrible
12:01:18 <Zaba> the biggest culprit is usually the video card, and it's usually solved by using proper drivers
12:01:21 <elliott> well I think it might be able to suspend
12:01:58 <elliott> mostly I am just too lazy to configure anything to work when I should be replacing it
12:01:58 <mumra> elliott: i think when i'm done with the layout, it should be able to do stuff really similar to pitsprint, maybe not quite as condensed. but i should be able to support arbitrary shapes and then use odd corridor shapes to fill in and connect gaps and stuff like that.
12:02:08 <elliott> mumra: sounds very cool
12:02:09 <Zaba> hibernation (with 'disk' in /sys/power/disk) usually hits less firmware issues/driver inadequacies than suspend to RAM, just in case
12:02:15 <Zaba> er, 'shutdown' in /sys/power/disk
12:02:33 <Zaba> 'platform' is for when you want to spin the BIOS bug fortune wheel
12:02:44 <elliott> I worry hibernation would take a year with a disk this slow, but I may be totally wrong
12:02:59 <ChrisOelmueller> i'm using platform and it works just fine :o
12:03:00 <Zaba> it depends on how much RAM you're occupying
12:03:09 <elliott> typically "more of it than I have"
12:03:19 <Zaba> ChrisOelmueller, well, you're lucky then :P
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12:15:36 <Lightli> What's this newnewvaults thing
12:17:01 <elliott> what's a newnewvaults
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12:21:14 <Lightli> something grunt was working on or something
12:21:20 <Grunt> Huh?
12:21:25 <Grunt> I have nothing to do with this project. :b
12:21:29 <Lightli> oh
12:21:35 <Lightli> then I have no idea
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12:40:49 <mumra> lol
12:41:17 <mumra> i completely rewrote vaults layouts
12:41:48 <mumra> (that was for Lightli)
12:42:22 <mumra> more accurately, i finished the original implementation that i had already started way before grunt or infiniplex had a go
12:43:21 <mumra> also i'm now calling it Vaults: Legacy in keeping with the whole Inception naming scheme
12:47:40 <elliott> haha
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14:08:08 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1832-gee008cd: Add comment. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee008cd1ffea
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15:08:06 <Sizzell> magicpoints (L1 CeAK) ASSERT(!at_branch_bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 533 failed. (Abyss (Sprint))
15:08:39 <Sizzell> magicpoints (L1 CeAK) ASSERT(!at_branch_bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 533 failed. (Abyss (Sprint))
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15:14:09 <|amethyst> !teel bh !lm magicpoints sprint crash 2   looks like either abyss depth needs to be bigger in sprint etc, or there need to be no abyssal stairs
15:14:12 <|amethyst> !tell bh !lm magicpoints sprint crash 2   looks like either abyss depth needs to be bigger in sprint etc, or there need to be no abyssal stairs~
15:14:13 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know.
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15:15:05 <Henzell> st_: OK, I'll let bh know.
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15:18:51 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1833-g78bd326: Fix inconsistencies with monster god capitalization (affecting TSOites). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 22+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=78bd3263dd6b
15:18:51 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1834-g2aef85d: Make the description of one piety level consistent with the prayer message. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2aef85df93fc
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16:18:20 <HangedMan> !seen mumra
16:18:21 <Henzell> I last saw mumra at Sat Jan 26 19:30:53 2013 UTC (2h 47m 27s ago) saying s/treeant/treant on ##crawl.
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16:25:41 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1838-g7c25ddd: Consolidate stat checks for the Focus and Shuffle cards wrt god wrath. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 24-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c25ddd110bc
16:25:49 <HangedMan> st_: mumra made the arbitrary places for entrances work, right? if the empty space can possibly overlap with other vaults or whatever then definitely keeping the empty space, otherwise would fill those up with walls
16:26:17 <HangedMan> I've got a handful more I have to edit a bit since apparently @s work now instead of using vaults_orient stuff
16:26:24 <st_> it should work, though I haven't tested it yet
16:26:39 <st_> tomorrow or whenever I can update and test stuff
16:26:44 <HangedMan> mmm
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16:29:57 <mumra> hi
16:30:40 <mumra> right now empty areas fill with wall, and door connections work 100% properly on any open (floor) space
16:31:15 <HangedMan> oh, so essentially the same as filling them up
16:31:21 <HangedMan> boo, things can't be perfect
16:31:31 <mumra> but i've been thinking about how to collapse the empty space completely so arbitrary shapes can tesselate. shouldn't be too hard at this stage.
16:31:42 <HangedMan> ...yesssssssssss
16:32:08 <HangedMan> I do feel sorry for making the V vaults placement code so complicated though
16:34:37 <elliott> clearly simplify in return by removing the vaults_orient things
16:34:40 <elliott> or are those still necessary sometimes
16:35:09 <HangedMan> I'm doing that I'm doing that
16:35:20 <mumra> elliott: orient tags are already unneccessary if you use @s
16:35:29 <elliott> right
16:35:36 <elliott> I noticed they're still handled in the lua code, is that just for backwards compatibility?
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16:37:52 <HangedMan> ...bah! one of these vaults is really close to v_hard_quartered_hall
16:38:09 <HangedMan> this is what I get for agreeing to make 098 vaults clearly I need to never make any more after this
16:39:44 <st_> not a big deal if it's close
16:39:49 <mumra_> elliott: it might be quicker/clearer to use an orient tag than @s which is why I left them in. @s are really for more fine grained control of entry points. most vaults shouldn't need either.
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16:40:06 <elliott> mm
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16:41:41 <mumra> HangedMan: i was thinking more about other branches as well. particularly once arbitrary shapes are in properly, i reckon i can make a whole lot of unique-looking layouts with not too much extra work.
16:42:40 <mumra> anything that needs layouts consisting largely of rooms and corridors, or town/city/street type layouts (which are really very similar)
16:42:43 <HangedMan> now all that's needed is for the builder to be able to extend indefinitely and we'll even have new abyss layouts
16:42:53 <HangedMan> :P
16:43:42 <mumra> it can already extend with callback functions (the snakey maze and bifur maze do this to control how the layout grows)
16:44:12 <mumra> and i'll be adding more extension points, e.g. for code-generated rooms and shapes
16:44:16 <HangedMan> mmmmmm
16:44:51 <mumra> which is how i think i could do e.g. an elf layout without having to make more subvaults
16:45:27 <mumra> all i need to do is go and fix standard vault placement so it uses my code instead ;)
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16:47:35 <HangedMan> would your code be better at dealing with the silly way a lot of layouts tend to create 1-tile thin corridors to make certain vaults connect to a level really far away
16:47:45 <HangedMan> if so I would fully support throwing out the old code
16:48:27 <HangedMan> http://pastie.org/pastes/5872047/text - all of my vaults: legacy vaults, http://pastie.org/pastes/5872049/text - a bunch of random recent small projects
16:48:33 <mumra> yeah, it can (will be able to) find somewhere to connect a vault right next to existing architecture, just like how it places th rooms. so just a door, no corridor.
16:48:42 <HangedMan> yessssss
16:49:11 <HangedMan> but what about e.g. side or corner vaults and more twisty layouts like nicolae's orc-spider stuff
16:49:29 <mumra> i think any of the branches elf, snake, dis, crypt, zot, maybe geh, could work with variations of the builder, and each have a distinctive look.
16:50:34 <mumra> also i want to try mixing it with delve on the same layout (maybe good for snake)
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16:52:13 <ChrisOelmueller> delve is good for everything
16:53:57 <HangedMan> delve needs to not make completely empty circles a few rare times
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16:56:01 <Cheibriados> aborted Passwall into excluded areas still costs MP (and time) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6571) by rchandra
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17:01:04 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1839-g8dc2fcd: Properly apostrophize a few god names instead of hardcoding them. 10(22 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dc2fcd8fa9e
17:01:04 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1840-g7e7ab42: Properly put Jiyva's item protection messages in the god channel. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e7ab429138c
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17:10:46 <Sizzell> tigertrap (L19 MuIE)  (Abyss:2)
17:21:18 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1841-gd83e5da: Abstract away checks for unknown gods, instead of checking for GOD_NAMELESS. 10(14 minutes ago, 4 files, 12+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d83e5da0fdf7
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17:28:32 <mumra> st_: i'm seeing a few vaults that could potentially make isolated areas (therefore veto the level)
17:30:05 <mumra> e.g. v_misc_13, v_misc_16
17:31:25 <st_> 16?
17:31:54 <st_> oh you mean in isolated in the central areas?
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17:33:21 <mumra> yeah where the 'a' starts could end up as a floor tile surrounded by wall
17:34:57 <mumra> same on 13 - i filled the middle in with rock
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17:36:37 <st_> okay, thanks
17:41:32 <Cheibriados> 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1842-gb9bc147: Add a message for priests casting Haste Other. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9bc1473038d
17:42:25 <mumra> HangedMan: I'm not taking hangedman_vaults_monster_house because it could also make a broken layout ( SHUFFLE: A'", SUBST: '"!? = x ) - and yes, traps are dumb ;)
17:42:41 <HangedMan> fiiiiiiiine
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17:43:46 <HangedMan> in the original context most of the traps are temporarily status-changes or things that force certain movement rather than straight-up damage and it's very easy to detect them when you know they're there, so it doesn't translate any good into crawl I guesssss
17:44:53 <mumra> all the other vaults that used traps have been removed
17:45:07 <mumra> hopefully mechanical traps will be completely gone soon anyway
17:45:46 <mumra> (but with that vault i was more worried about layout vetos)
17:48:03 <mumra> have to be a lot more careful than with normal floating vaults, just because there are so many used per layout; and if vetos are happening it's very hard to know about it except that level generation takes forever, and it's really hard to figure out which ones are causing it
17:48:49 <HangedMan> alright, alright
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17:49:05 <elliott> sounds like it needs some better logging :P
17:49:09 <HangedMan> I've suddenly thought of another potential form for that vault outside of V
17:49:39 <mumra> HangedMan: it's only the top three rows that are the problem, it just has potential to create an airlock
17:50:31 <mumra> elliott: it's almost impossible for the level builder to figure out if it's a specific vault breaking the layout.#
17:51:04 <elliott> mmm
17:51:14 <elliott> I gues sit's an inherent problem with the veto system
17:52:02 <mumra> yeah. it's a bit annoying but i'm stumped as to how it could be improved.
17:52:21 <mumra> HangedMan: anyway it's not a problem as long as someone like me is checking over the vaults ;)
17:52:43 <mumra> and all the others are in now, thanks!
17:53:12 <HangedMan> alright
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17:53:26 <HangedMan> ...
17:53:31 <HangedMan> hello, evilmike
17:53:39 <evilmike> hello
17:53:40 <Henzell> evilmike: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them.
17:54:31 <st_> evilmike: hey!
17:54:54 <evilmike> sorry for not being around at all, I have a new job and it's taking literally all of my time
17:56:37 <st_> we thought you'd gone the way of doy and by
17:57:36 <evilmike> well, i'm working on a game of my own right now, and working on two at once is unrealistic for me... I miss crawl though
17:58:23 <st_> cool, a roguelike or?
17:59:47 <evilmike> platformer
18:02:05 <monqy> platformer roguelike??
18:03:20 <evilmike> its still unannounced so i cant really talk too much about it, but that will change some time this year
18:05:08 <evilmike> it has absolutely no roguelike elements though
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18:09:41 <st_> ah, are you part of a team on it then?
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18:14:14 <Napkin> hmm.. draconians also can't wear dragon armours, can they?
18:14:34 <evilmike> yeah, we're a small team, only 7 people working on the project full time. It's great, because I have a lot of creative control over what I do. Funny thing is I wasn't even looking for it. An old friend contacted me and it was the sort of opportunity I couldn't say no to
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18:21:31 <st_> nice, I hope it goes well
18:23:58 <evilmike> thanks
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18:26:27 <elliott> Napkin: indeed not
18:26:42 <Napkin> oh, pity, thanks
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18:42:09 <Cheibriados> Malign gateway failure costs mp and a turn (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6572) by crate
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20:23:52 <bh> Should I finish up the wrath patch?
20:23:53 <Henzell> bh: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
20:23:56 <bh> !messages
20:23:56 <Henzell> (1/2) |amethyst said (5h 9m 43s ago): !lm magicpoints sprint crash 2   looks like either abyss depth needs to be bigger in sprint etc, or there need to be no abyssal stairs~
20:24:02 <bh> !messages
20:24:02 <Henzell> (1/1) st_ said (5h 8m 57s ago): should disable abyss in sprints
20:24:29 <bh> |amethyst, st_: I really don't care about what's done with the abyss in sprint.
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21:30:27 <HangedMan> with evilmike working on other stuff can we have another vault dev
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21:32:04 <Grunt> HangedMan, the thought had crossed my mind.
21:32:42 <Grunt> The question would be - who do we have on hand that's reasonably active, and knowledgeable enough about vault design to be able to do the job?
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21:34:52 <BlackSheep_> Is it a bug if I got that merfolk food vault twice in one game?
21:35:02 <Grunt> Uh... possibly?
21:35:05 * Grunt goes to check.
21:35:14 <HangedMan> it's supposed to have uniq_ tags
21:35:23 <BlackSheep_> hm
21:35:39 <Zannick> unless there are two such vaults
21:36:06 <HangedMan> http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/food.des#l101
21:36:30 <HangedMan> aside from the fact that ugh why did old me suck so much this does not need patrolling tags this probably shouldn't place multiple times
21:37:20 <Grunt> (The next time Lightli asks about what vaults we need, perhaps I'll suggest he think up some more food vaults...)
21:37:28 <Grunt> (Or I might do that myself at some point.)
21:37:52 <BlackSheep_> I love the stone soup one
21:38:11 <Grunt> I didn't realise HangedMan designed almost all of these, including the stone soup o_O
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21:39:32 <HangedMan> very early project to get as many kills in my name as possible while keeping it "legit" by not being pre-temple-ish
21:39:54 <HangedMan> blood and nooses
21:40:12 <Grunt> Also, I wish I'd remembered to look at this in that SpEE hyper game I played recently. I probably would have panicked less when I ran out of food. <_<
21:40:54 <HangedMan> that hydra vault has killed so many people
21:41:04 <HangedMan> and the mushrooms and saplings too I guess
21:41:54 <DracoOmega> Isn't the hydra only two-headed?
21:41:56 <Grunt> The hydra vault both amuses me and terrifies me.
21:42:15 <Grunt> I don't know why it still terrifies me, even though it's pretty much harmless by the time you encounter it.
21:42:26 <Grunt> I guess it's an instinctive reaction to hydras.
21:42:46 <DracoOmega> A two-headed hydra is mostly pretty harmless (even if you didn't get a flaming falchion to go with it)
21:42:49 <DracoOmega> It IS two, yes?
21:43:02 <HangedMan> KMONS:    A = three-headed hydra / w:5 two-headed hydra
21:43:07 <DracoOmega> Oh, okay
21:43:11 <DracoOmega> Close enough!
21:43:34 <Grunt> It's like facing multiple ogres at once!  <_<
21:43:43 <DracoOmega> It's a 2.66667-headed hydra then
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21:44:02 <Grunt> The 0.66667-headed hydra skeleton sways for a moment, then collapses!
21:44:11 <HangedMan> !lg * map=hangedman_ranch killer=~hydra s=killer
21:44:12 <Sequell> 73 games for * (map=hangedman_ranch killer=~hydra): 26x a three-headed hydra, 13x a two-headed hydra, 6x a seven-headed hydra, 5x a four-headed hydra, 5x a ten-headed hydra, 4x a nine-headed hydra, 3x a 13-headed hydra, 3x a six-headed hydra, 3x a five-headed hydra, 2x an eight-headed hydra, a 11-headed hydra, a 12-headed hydra, a 17-headed hydra
21:44:21 <DracoOmega> ....13?
21:44:24 <DracoOmega> 17? O>o
21:44:24 <HangedMan> 17 headed <3
21:44:27 <Grunt> ...haha, people still don't know how to fight hydras properly.
21:44:30 <DracoOmega> How the HELL did that happen?
21:44:39 <Grunt> !lg * map=hangedman_ranch killer~~17 -tv
21:44:40 <Sequell> 1. Wesley, XL10 DDFi, T:6375 requested for FooTV.
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21:45:18 <BlackSheep_> good armor and lots of tabbing I guess
21:45:30 <Grunt> ...this amuses me :b
21:45:35 <HangedMan> so close and yet
21:45:35 * Grunt is highly amused!
21:45:42 <Grunt> ??almost dead
21:45:42 <Henzell> almost dead[1/1]: Still entirely capable of obliterating you.
21:45:52 <HangedMan> he could have killed it if this was a version without monster fleeing
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21:46:03 <HangedMan> nice double-move
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22:25:12 <Pacra> _No vault found for tag 'vaults_room_10_spin_crystal'
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22:28:42 <HangedMan> won't it be great when that's not an issue anyway
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22:44:33 <Cheibriados> Bug (?) or error message on "The Arena" (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6573) by hindered
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