00:00:02 The abyssal stair is in, it's just described as a gate. 00:00:03 there's an ENUM/define for it! 00:00:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:00:25 I'd really be tempted to just call it an abyssal stair in-game, too 00:00:33 hehe 00:00:42 DracoOmega: if (date == April 1) { abyssal stair } :) 00:00:51 i like it 00:00:55 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1702-g7df28bf (34) 00:01:00 i have the stairs remapped to hatches, visually 00:01:02 does crawl ever do easter eggs? 00:01:04 least we can do 00:01:09 make the gate take you to an arena where you are surrounded by 99 cerebovs 00:01:22 that is not the correct plural of cerebov :p 00:01:34 cerebovii? 00:01:41 "cerebov" 00:01:43 haha 00:01:57 that reminds me of a quote from 'the wire' 00:02:19 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:34 which i will keep to myself ;) 00:03:03 !seen |amethyst 00:03:03 Sorry faze, I haven't seen amethyst. 00:03:09 !seen amethyst 00:03:09 Sorry faze, I haven't seen amethyst. 00:03:11 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1702-g7df28bf (34) 00:04:12 i guess i can look at my uncommited patch to turn on show_inventory_weights by default 00:04:44 DracoOmega: I'm adding a new layout that will be almost entirely empty 00:04:49 too bad about that tiles bug 00:05:02 bh: That doesn't sound that interesting, on the face of it 00:05:09 Grunt: are you around? 00:05:20 DracoOmega: except that ~5% of the squares will be walls and it will change very rapidly 00:05:34 Oh. Well, perhaps that might be. 00:05:49 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:05:52 -!- inspector071 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:06:02 I can, say, guarantee that 0.5% of the abyss will be like this 00:06:23 Grunt: i was curious if you would be open to adjust the DEPTH of grunt_rogues_gallery to D:20-26 from D:16-26 00:06:43 it is really rough on d:16 00:07:06 -!- inspector071_ is now known as inspector071 00:07:22 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:07:27 or possibly exclude demonspawn scorchers until d:20? 00:07:40 i think that was the only particularly troublesome monster 00:07:48 even d:20 is tough for that 00:07:51 yeah 00:07:59 demonspawn scorcher (12@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 57-101 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, 07vault | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1805 | Sp: b.fire (3d24), fireball (3d25), blink, fire storm (8d12), b.magma (3d24) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:07:59 %??demonspawn scorcher 00:08:07 "That is a grass." reminds me of "A piece of floor" from ancient crawl 00:08:13 but on d:20 you at least have a good chance of doing V 00:08:17 i guess D:21-26 would be better now that vaults can spawn on D:20 00:08:18 "A piece of floor. Just one." 00:08:30 but being placed in Elf is worse 00:08:32 ZChris13: what are you doing to dune buggy 00:08:42 monqy: wrong chat 00:08:43 ??? 00:08:47 ??? 00:08:50 oh 00:08:50 yes 00:08:52 woops 00:08:55 i cant believe i did that 00:09:04 if fireball was change to b.fire and firestorm to fireball, it'd be a more sane monster 00:09:05 let's keep talking in this chat and make it worse yes 00:09:25 but when 2/3rds of a monster's spell are autohit 00:09:28 it's a bit crazy 00:09:39 s/spell/spells/ 00:11:03 faze: do any other monsters cast fire storm? 00:11:24 besides cerebov, panlords and ghosts? 00:11:25 no 00:11:43 maybe a silly vault monster. maybe. 00:11:49 i wonder if adding 00:11:49 well there are more silly rogues 00:11:51 er 00:12:01 deep elf scorcher (12e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 55-80 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, 07vault | Res: 06magic(120) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1603 | Sp: b.fire (3d24), fireball (3d25), blink, fire storm (8d12), b.magma (3d24) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:12:01 %??deep elf scorcher 00:12:13 i wonder if adding '}' to the autopickup = line will enable rune autopickup 00:12:19 i guess there's one way to find out! 00:12:23 it will also pick up all misc items 00:12:31 oh right 00:12:31 i have that, and a rune exclusion :) 00:12:34 hehe 00:13:03 settings/init.txt doesn't have any autopickup_exclusions in it 00:13:20 err 00:14:10 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:14:56 are there items that use the { glyph? 00:15:13 oh wait, that is 'possible invisible monster' glyph 00:15:16 yup 00:15:25 and 'underwater maybe monster' 00:15:27 dangit 00:15:40 lightning spire (11{) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 13/3 | 11non-living, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 28 | Sp: b.electricity (3d6) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:15:40 %??lightning spire 00:16:33 moving misc items to { might still be feasible 00:16:38 yeah 00:16:57 or at least i wouldn't care 00:16:58 is the basetype of a rune OBJ_MISCELLANY? 00:17:17 it looks like it anyway 00:17:29 well, death cobs are % 00:17:40 (base_type == OBJ_MISCELLANY && sub_type == MISC_RUNE_OF_ZOT) 00:17:42 i guess they are corn cobs, so it kinda makes sense :P 00:18:17 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-1703-gbbed026: Remove the draining side-effect of lurking horror explosions 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbed0266e481 00:18:17 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1704-gbdd85bd: Add formatting fix. 10(in the future, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdd85bd3ff0d 00:18:28 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1702-g7df28bf 00:18:35 good future there again 00:18:40 %git 00:18:40 03dolorous * 0.12-a0-1704-gbdd85bd: Add formatting fix. 10(in the future, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdd85bd3ff0d 00:18:50 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:59 gentlemen, i give you the future 00:19:17 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:19:24 Haha 00:20:16 DracoOmega: are you a dubstep fan/a fan of the 1970s movie that sample came from? 00:20:47 I am not even certain what you're referring to, so I'm going to guess no 00:20:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arWouqZf0kk&t=25s 00:20:57 (sorry for the offtopicness) 00:21:14 hehe ok 00:21:38 sometimes I wonder if dolorous is a bot who just fixes errors in crawl 00:21:57 Formatbot 00:22:01 i wonder the same thing about elliptic, if you add /plays after errors 00:24:56 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:26:07 i am seeing if adding 'autopickup += 'MISC_RUNE_OF_ZOT'; 00:26:16 to initfile.cc will work 00:30:02 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:44 -!- meowfelid has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 00:37:24 -!- Writ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:42:10 did someone check in a bunch of vaults with bad whitespace? 00:43:53 hm. maybe util/checkwhite lost it 00:44:03 -!- peppermilne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:46:29 bh: i wrote a vault patch recently that modified a few .des files 00:46:39 what would be considered 'bad whitespace'? 00:46:47 trailing? 00:47:08 You have some suspicious patch lines: crawl-ref/source/dat/des/serial/bayou.des + no newline at eof (line 301) 00:47:19 yeah, i was wondering about that 00:47:31 was that from my most recent patch? 00:47:36 unsure 00:47:47 %git :/chrish 00:47:48 Could not find commit :/chrish (git returned 128) 00:47:59 %git :/known tele 00:48:00 Could not find commit :/known tele (git returned 128) 00:48:10 bleh 00:48:35 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-1705-g868325f: Fix abyss wizmode teleports 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=868325f05bb1 00:48:35 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-1706-gfb643e2: Abyss: The Wastes 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 36+ 14-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb643e29a818 00:48:37 %git 85fca068c8c6 00:48:38 03faze * 0.12-a0-1690-g85fca06: Reveal teleport traps in multiple vaults. 10(2 days ago, 4 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85fca068c8c6 00:49:24 I think checkwhite is doing the wrong thing. 00:49:31 ok 00:49:37 0.0004% sounds INCREDIBLY rare 00:49:40 d10 sphinx 00:49:46 please fix this vault, whatever it is 00:49:50 on minifeatures and altar.des, there were those weird 'no newline' things 00:49:58 ZenArcade: are you playing online? 00:50:00 have you tried telling us what the vault is 00:50:01 ZenArcade: That's probably just a generic out of depth monster 00:50:13 it's avault, and yes 00:50:18 DracoOmega: it's probably an 8 or 0 00:50:22 DracoOmega: I can increase the frequency. I mostly put it in so people can test it in wizmode... 00:50:22 ZenArcade: server/name 00:50:27 cao/zenarcade 00:50:30 faze: Well, that's what I meant 00:50:30 ok 00:50:35 yeah 00:50:37 I mean, it's probably not specifically placing a sphinc 00:50:43 right 00:50:49 i think zenarcade is aware of that too 00:51:07 bh: Well, how about making the frequency high enough that NORMAL people can test it too? :P 00:51:16 DracoOmega: fine... 00:51:18 is it really fair to expect someone to deal with sphinxes on d10 00:51:21 is what I'm asking 00:51:23 ZenArcade: change your putty settings to 80x24/iterm2 settings to 'disable session initiated resizing' 00:51:27 ZenArcade: It can be done 00:51:35 hmm, which vault is that? 00:51:43 i know i have seen it 00:51:43 80x25 is bigterm? 00:51:47 ZenArcade: Running away is of course how many people would reasonably deal with it, though 00:51:52 i'm chie 00:51:54 haha 00:51:55 technically, but it doesn't actually mess up footv 00:52:08 ZenArcade: Well, then it's your own fault :P 00:52:12 hahaha 00:52:17 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:20 I want a chei win :| 00:52:21 that is a rough situation 00:52:29 I have to read id blink here 00:52:40 you still might die anyways 00:52:40 Yes, I have definitely encountered a couple sphinxes at a similar depth myself 00:52:48 Very rarely, of course 00:52:50 didn't work 00:52:57 DracoOmega: done. 0.3% 00:53:11 okay this is not ##crawl but you should really know your scrolls on d:10 00:53:20 ZenArcade: did you die in the vault? 00:53:24 yeah 00:53:25 and yes the vault might be a bit over the top 00:53:26 !lg zenarcade x=map 00:53:26 1168. [map=minmay diamond stairs] ZenArcade the Marksminotaur (L11 MiHu), worshipper of Cheibriados, blown up by a great orb of eyes on D:10 (minmay diamond stairs) on 2013-01-20 06:52:43, with 8722 points after 10720 turns and 0:22:11. 00:53:28 ok 00:53:31 ChrisOelmueller: maybe we should just auto-id all your scrolls when you reach D:10 ;) 00:53:35 I got instantly paraslowed when I walked in 00:53:39 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-1707-g0ae31d5: Abyss: More Wastes 10(77 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ae31d5ae7bd 00:53:43 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:53:44 because sphinx/great orb/chei move 00:53:50 that would be chei more than any vault, yes 00:54:22 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Don't push the red button!] 00:54:38 so 80x25 messes up termcast? 00:54:44 ZenArcade: slightly 00:54:52 I went back to 24 00:55:03 the last line of the message area gets overwritten, but it doesn't scroll 00:55:25 8s on d:8-d:13 are kinda shitty imo 00:55:31 i've seen d:10 liches 00:55:34 it messes up casting a tad more if you use small_more 00:55:35 I sort of like them, actually 00:55:38 i mean, it's easy to survive as not chei 00:55:41 Like, they're scary but that's not 00:55:44 DracoOmega: right 00:55:45 that's nice* 00:55:57 but certain characters have a large chance of dying 00:56:00 chei, naga, etc 00:56:11 that's just crawl i guess 00:56:15 I'm not sure that's something that can be easily addressed, since that's true of a lot of circumstances 00:56:18 With slow movement 00:56:20 indeed 00:56:24 that's the way crawl is telling you to not be there as that character, or have means of escaping 00:56:28 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:30 yeah 00:56:42 I did dig into that vault so 00:56:44 i don't think its unfair, it just forces you to move on 00:56:48 I was asking for something 00:56:57 buuut I didn't necessarily want that 00:57:00 Like, some of my favorite times in Crawl are when I run into serious out of depth stuff and somehow manage to kill it 00:57:03 ZenArcade: well, then i blame you 100% :P 00:57:09 !vault minmay_diamond_stairs 00:57:09 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/5732040 00:57:09 DracoOmega: yeah, same 00:57:11 Like that pair of yaktaur captains on D:9 or something that one time.... 00:58:34 greensnark: i believe displaying the kmap/map vault with underscores instead of spaces would enhance its usability, would you object to such a change? 00:58:40 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:58:54 mostly because both !vault and edit_vault in crawl don't know about spaces though i guess 00:59:30 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:59:46 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:17 zzz 01:01:20 oops 01:02:06 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep n stuff] 01:09:01 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:09:58 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 01:14:13 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:16:39 -!- zenzei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:41 -!- meowfelid has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 01:27:05 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:28:54 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:55 -!- mumra has quit [Quit: Quick! Kill your client! Bersirc 2.2 is here! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]] 01:29:02 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 01:34:05 -!- Grildrak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:36:26 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:26 -!- fooobarr1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:38:53 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:43:56 i for one disapprove of rune autopickup. it's nice standing on the rune and savouring the moment of pressing the pickup key (particularly the harder runes). maybe there should be a prompt "You see here a slimy rune. Pick up the rune? y/n" 01:44:48 %git :/want to 01:44:48 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-1420-g99cd16b: Remove "Are you sure you want to win?". 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99cd16b7b6f6 01:44:54 something about "are you sure you want to --dang!!! 01:45:29 that got removed? how sad 01:45:31 monqy: sorry for snatching that!! 01:46:07 basically i don't feel like the game should be doing *everything* for me, especially not important things. otherwise there might as well not be a player. (i am starting to feel this way about autotargetting when i see some discussion about finding the most optimal possible default target for all conjurations) 01:47:35 that'd be me too 01:48:20 also remove autoexplore/autotravel because tedious and easily automatable tasks are fun and immersive 01:48:31 :) 01:48:39 is picking up a rune tedious? 01:48:48 i'm extrapolating!!! 01:49:09 heh 01:49:10 autopickup not getting it for you after fighting the entire level is, yes 01:49:14 but targetting can be tedious 01:49:22 especially if you are a player not knowing that you want to pick it up 01:49:47 i'm pretty sure we all know how to disable it (even possible in-game now) 01:49:55 but they wouldn't know how to enable 01:50:07 yeah but targetting is an important tactical part of the game where as a human you have to make decisions and stuff, at least with area spells and the like 01:50:08 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:29 see also autofight though 01:50:31 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:35 in the common case it really doesn't matter what choice you make 01:51:04 yeah, that's why i don't mind simple autotargetting (e.g. nearest monster) but against a crowd i will always want to optimise the beam manually 01:51:23 and i think it's impossible to come up with an ai that could predict exactly where you want to target every time 01:51:56 of course; the idea would be to use reasonable heuristics to guess reasonably and get it right most of the time 01:52:06 grab a goodplayer and upload their consciousness into the program 01:52:39 then they might start arguing with you and shouting at you for making mistakes 01:53:06 good call. we should take away their ability to do that. i have no mouth and i must scream (at you for training the wrong skills) 01:56:22 the thing is for a new player, finding a rune is a defining moment, and automatically picking it up for me would take away some of the magic (maybe i'm just sentimental). how many players *don't* know that they want to pick it up once they've played the game long enough to reach a branch end? 01:57:43 all i'm saying is: there has to be a line somewhere where the game is no longer reduced to a bot, otherwise we end up with a single user interaction which is "do you want to start the game? y/n" 02:09:38 -!- tophat_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:11:25 -!- ZenArcade has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0/20120830123745]] 02:11:58 -!- sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:19:31 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1708-g713c394: Lugonu invoc tile edits 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=713c394eb333 02:20:42 -!- dspencer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:27:37 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 02:29:17 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:33:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:44:48 crate the Impregnable (L13 MiFi) ASSERT(!at_branch_bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 533 failed on turn 4179. 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06:12:48 The + show connecting walls, they will contain doors, but it won't be a whole wall of door no 06:12:57 ah, i see :) 06:13:26 The commas are where room vaults are placed, the other rooms are empty (but the dungeon builder could place other standard vaults in them if it likes) 06:13:47 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:29 This one is omnicross: http://pastebin.com/CaCPC0cD 06:17:13 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:18:38 And this one is equivalent of newvaults square ring layout: http://pastebin.com/pBV7vyjh 06:19:13 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:19:24 (There's a max depth setting to stop rooms getting so deeply nested and mazey but at the moment i'm experimenting) 06:20:05 does current ring layout have the center filled? 06:20:24 There are two versions - one is like omnibox, the other has the center filled like this 06:20:52 Sometimes it uses one very large vault in the center (which is also possible in the new one) 06:22:15 These layouts can potentially create everything current vaults does, but there are far more permutations 06:22:55 mumra: these layouts look pretty cool 06:23:12 Well, it will never create the "even grid" layout, because the rooms are never all one size 06:23:43 do you ever get a square level that has a "border" like V:5 does? it looks like these all have rooms jutting out of them to some degree, might be nice to have a more "regular"-sized level once in a while 06:23:44 elliott: cheers! you can see a lot of floor vault here 06:23:55 hehe, yes 06:23:57 <3 floor vault 06:24:07 elliott: i can easily make that layout, give me 5 mins 06:25:27 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 06:33:40 i am starting to really hate lua. would love a scripting language with actual syntax checking 06:33:48 e.g. javascript 06:39:40 aha 06:39:53 elliott: here's V:5 layout with free bonus: http://pastebin.com/jRekLZwp 06:40:17 looks very cool 06:40:23 interested to see how it looks in-game 06:40:26 the first one is traditional quadrants, the rest are subdivided more (up to 4x4 quadrants) 06:40:46 it seems to leave a lot of empty space in the quadrants, is that intentional? 06:41:11 really looking forward to testing this 06:41:14 the only code i wrote to implement the layout was this: http://pastebin.com/vtUhVUYJ 06:41:41 (i was meaning to code this one at some point anyway) 06:42:30 elliott: which empty space are you talking about, the floor vault or the empty walls? (floor vaults are periods) 06:43:20 the space in the quadrants that are just walls, yes 06:44:43 mumra: nice! 06:45:25 elliott: not entirely intentional, there is a bug right now that's stopping rooms attaching sometimes (so e.g. some of the maze layouts should be spreading around the map more) but i haven't tracked it down yet 06:45:40 elliott: but sometimes it's just because it can't find a room small enough to fit the space 06:46:35 yeah 06:46:53 it could help to just fill the space with "generic" rooms sometimes 06:47:01 at the moment i think i have min room size at like 5x5 or 6x6 to avoid enclosed spaces 06:47:07 even if they're just empty (or maybe place items or something?) 06:47:30 well the floor vaults are for "generic" rooms, they can be generated any size within min/max and contain floor 06:47:46 but the rng can and will choose to put items and monsters in them 06:48:03 right 06:49:13 on those layouts there are very few areas i can see with a 6x6 empty space 06:50:40 e.g. the first and last ones in http://pastebin.com/jRekLZwp seem to have lots of empty space that might be better filled somehow 06:51:26 oh yeah true. that first one has 20 rooms which is the current max, so the layout didn't try to place any more 06:52:09 all parameters like max rooms and min/max room sizes and be changed on a per-layout basis by passing in an options dictionary 06:52:34 mm 06:52:40 at the moment i don't want to set max rooms too high because the layout builder gets rather slow (until i've done some planned optimisation) 06:52:47 ah 06:52:51 alefury: thanks btw! 06:52:56 seems like if it's fast enough then you wouldn't really need a limit, yeah 06:53:09 well it has to stop trying at some point 06:53:29 right 06:54:11 it's difficult to determine algorithmically whether there is definitely no space left, so it will keep trying randomly from a list of potential coords until it has failed a given number of times 06:54:24 at the moment the list of potential coords is "everywhere on the map" which is the thing i need to optimise :) 06:55:26 also, on some layouts (e.g. the mazey ones) i don't actually want to fill the entire map with rooms, it would end up silly and take far too long to explore 06:55:45 ~20 rooms seems like a generally quite good number to me 06:57:50 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:02:38 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:06:18 -!- PEreza has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:14:32 pfft, how hard can box packing possibly be!!! 07:20:55 -!- archl has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130107224849]] 07:36:15 well, it would be easier if i can track down these box connecting bugs first :) and i just spotted a massive clue 07:37:24 -!- hayenne has quit [Quit: There is no dark side of the moon really. 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The only thing that makes it look light is the sun.] 07:37:41 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:46:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcHy8xEt2QI 07:46:23 (raging clue) 07:47:48 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:51:48 classic 07:59:40 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:14 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:06:48 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:16:15 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:44 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:31:53 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:38:26 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1711-ge58b057: Add formatting fixes, and make one function static. 10(in the future, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e58b0577a6a1 08:38:28 Randomly fails to start on Windows 8 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6551) by mumra 08:41:48 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:48:19 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:19 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54:28 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:54:44 -!- _D_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:57:22 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:58:27 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58:39 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1712-g8811394: Don't let abyssals follow you out of the Abyss. 10(27 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8811394ea52c 08:58:39 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1713-g895ea41: Delete an unused function and related enums. 10(23 hours ago, 3 files, 0+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=895ea411bbe8 08:58:39 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1714-g7be5cb3: Rename WM_* to WME_*, because Windows. 10(23 hours ago, 4 files, 44+ 52-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7be5cb3070d0 08:58:39 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1715-g04dd302: Fix a bunch of compiler warnings in tiles. 10(23 hours ago, 3 files, 4+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04dd302ff264 09:04:19 kilobyte: could you perhaps try and give a line or two with such changes 09:04:29 not everybody is following all of ##crawl-dev 09:05:08 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:13:49 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1716-g4a6a273: Remove redundancy: spatial maelstroms are abyssal. 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a6a2734e7b0 09:14:31 especially since now there are two potential things to revert 09:14:45 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:59 they look self-descriptive enough to me, i don't really see what else could be added 09:16:30 i'm missing the reason why 09:29:25 -!- ctrlaltdelete has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:23 How can I check which vault is used in a particular grid square? 09:38:05 -!- dspencer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39:06 mumra: you need to compile in debug mode, then use x 09:39:06 kilobyte: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:39:53 ah thanks, knew there was a way 09:44:19 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 09:45:54 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:31 is anyone around familiar with how and when spell_slot user definitions are applied? 09:51:51 from the way it works, i assume they are only checked on spell memorization 09:54:55 faze: they are only checked on spell memorization, yes 09:55:14 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:55:26 elliptic: i shall change that 09:55:48 or should i just write a lua function that the 6 people who would actually use it could put in their rcfile 09:55:59 the only time i would use that would be dieselrobin 09:56:25 faze: if you mean checking every time you save and reload the game, that seems like a pretty terrible idea to me 09:56:49 because people will manually switch their spell slots 09:56:53 I do this all the time 09:57:08 ah, right 09:57:10 and also spell slots can conflict and then the order in which you handle the different spells matters 09:57:23 and you just don't want to be changing people's spells where the rcfile *didn't* change 09:57:32 iirc, you can bind a lua function with a key? 09:57:37 yes 09:57:40 to a key, rather 09:57:47 a macro that starts with "=== ah, cool 09:57:56 s/"/>"/ 09:58:04 then i will just write a lua function to do that 09:58:16 elliptic: are there any functions bound to keys in parabolic? 09:58:49 faze: you can't bind functions to keys in the rcfile 09:59:02 you have to make a macro in-game to do that 09:59:21 the function is in the rcfile but it just looks like a generic lua function 09:59:32 ah ok 09:59:47 (it would be nice if you could set up lua macros in the rcfile if you want to implement that) 09:59:53 haha 10:00:04 possibly after i learn lua :P 10:00:25 i assume i would need to modify the clua implementation 10:00:35 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:06 you wouldn't have to modify lua itself 10:01:10 elliptic: do you have to edit the raw macros file to do it? 10:01:14 there's even a stub function ready for implementing 10:01:19 elliott: ah 10:01:21 but it involves deep dark secrets of the crawl macro system 10:01:23 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:28 well, my c++ is quite poor too :P 10:01:28 which is why it has sat unimplemented since 2006 (or was it 2007) 10:01:31 right 10:01:31 it's still bound to lua though! 10:01:34 haha 10:01:36 faze: or you can set the macro in-game as normal 10:01:49 hm, ok 10:01:50 with ~ 10:02:12 i only use macros in 2 circumstances 10:02:31 lvl1 spell on a character that starts with a lvl 1 attack spell 10:02:39 to spacebar 10:02:44 spacebar, really 10:02:49 yeah 10:02:53 i am lazy 10:03:06 and i ignore most --more-- messages anyways :P 10:03:55 elliptic: ~k ? 10:04:26 faze: you should use squarelosrc then 10:04:33 what is k? 10:04:37 faze: i just macroed ===toggle_explore to z 10:04:40 nothing else 10:04:45 you just make a completely normal macro, yes 10:04:54 oh, just ~d? 10:04:56 except that the action begins with === 10:04:59 absolutego: ah ok 10:05:07 elliptic: cool 10:05:34 faze: unless you were talking about other things 10:05:37 in which case ignore me 10:06:32 faze: just ~m? 10:08:51 oh right 10:08:58 i usually use ^dd 10:09:01