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LIST_OPTION handles the case of a list of Ts, where T 06:52:39 <|amethyst> kilobyte: not really... LIST_OPTION handles the case of a list of Ts, where T can be converted to from a string 06:53:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but that doesn't handle checking for a correct value 06:53:54 <|amethyst> kilobyte: there are probably existing options that can use something like what you mention 06:54:06 <|amethyst> kilobyte: see for example read_explore_stop_conditions() 07:01:50 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02:28 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:04:22 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:04:28 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:57 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:56 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:17:57 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:29 Slave not freed after Pikel Killed (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6512) by ACG 07:19:30 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:49 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:33 -!- Sobieck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:30:35 -!- raistware has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:31:42 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest11814 07:34:13 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:39 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:40:03 -!- Unflexed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:41:06 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:46:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:48 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:25 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:53 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:50:12 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 07:51:28 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:54 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:51 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:47 -!- Guest11814 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:16 why are tentacled starspawns vulnerable to holy wrath? none of the other new monsters are 08:17:59 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:32 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21:48 they're accidentally demonic 08:22:25 the eldritch monsters all seem to have demonic resists without demonic vulnerabilities :/ 08:22:44 well, not all, but some 08:23:10 or are they nonliving? 08:23:33 oh, they are 08:23:36 thats kind of weird 08:35:37 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:02 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:20 -!- dieseltime has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:33 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:08 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 09:03:43 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11:54 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:22 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:14:11 thinking about eldritch holiness, I wonder if we really need it, as being demonic would do everything requested, except for holy wrath which is merely debatable 09:14:35 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:14:52 well, it is kind of more interesting to not have *everything* vulnerable to hw 09:15:06 variety, spice of life, and all that 09:15:31 vulnerability to speed, vorpal, unbranded, distortion, chaos 09:15:39 it would also be more interesting to not have everything immune to a bunch of stuff 09:16:16 I don't see eldritch stuff vulnerable to pain or vamp 09:16:31 they're even more "otherwordly" than demons 09:16:32 how are starcursed masses different from slime creatures? 09:16:46 why shouldnt they be vulnerable to pain and vamp? 09:17:18 and torment, etc, for that matter 09:18:40 i guess the fact that they "need" to be immune to wretched stars and ancient zymes and lurking horrors means these immunities are "required" 09:18:52 hm 09:19:05 I have managed to draw a swamp:5 with a completely disconnected rune vault 09:19:06 but in that case they should just be demonic imo 09:20:03 nonliving doesnt make much sense to me, although i guess they can be considered to "live" in a different way than things from this world, similar to golems being animated by magic 09:20:56 but that seems weird to me 09:27:35 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [] 09:38:05 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:06 |amethyst: Chei is misbehaving 09:47:07 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:15 <|amethyst> faze: how so? 09:49:15 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:49:33 draconian knights have multiple spell sets 09:49:51 it's listing the full spell set, but also repeating it for each colour of draconian 09:49:56 when you capitalize Draconian it's a nested loop 09:50:01 right 09:50:08 so each color lists each possible spell set 09:50:18 it's easier to see with %??Draconian Shifter or something 09:50:27 since that only has the one spell set but it's still repeated for every colour 09:50:28 i believe this is the only draconian with multiple base spell sets 09:50:53 <|amethyst> hm... not sure what I can do about that 09:50:54 and no one monsters have muliple base variations (that i can recall) 09:50:55 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:25 <|amethyst> you can reduce the spam by querying a particular draconian colour 09:51:35 |amethyst: if mon == Draconian knight: return draconian knight 09:51:47 can you special case that single query? 09:52:12 i doubt it will happen much, but it's really easy to flood the channel 09:52:22 or chei should at least cut off early, yeah 09:52:45 ancient lich (16L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 83-131 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(504), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11670 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d44), teleport self / b.draining (3d30), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d37), crystal spear (3d48) / b.fire (3d37), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d30), greater demon, banishment / mystic blast (3d30), b.cold (3d37), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (8d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:52:45 %??ancient lich 09:52:54 i think most monsters fit into two messages 09:52:58 can't it just lowercase all inputs 09:53:03 or that, yeah 09:53:20 the capital D thing is only relevant for draconians i would imagine 09:54:21 green draconian knight (10d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 112-145 | AC/EV: 12/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(85), 03poison | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2426 | Sp: b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / b.lightning (3d21), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / b.lightning (3d21), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / b.lightning (3d21), b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / b.lightning (3d21), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / b.lightning (3d21), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / b.lightning (3d21), sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / b.quicksilver (3d20), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / b.quicksilver (3d20), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / b.quicksilver (3d20), b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / b.quicksilver (3d20), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / b.quicksilver (3d20), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / b.quicksilver (3d20), sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / cold breath (3d20), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / cold breath (3d20), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / cold breath (3d20), b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / cold breath (3d20), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / cold breath (3d20), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / cold breath (3d20), sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / fire breath (3d20), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / fire breath (3d20), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / fire breath (3d20), b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / fire breath (3d20), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / fire breath (3d20), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / fire breath (3d20), sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / nonexistent spell, b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / nonexistent spell, b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / nonexistent spell, b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / nonexistent spell, pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / nonexistent spell, pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / nonexistent spell, sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / poisonous cloud (3d10), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / poisonous cloud (3d10), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / poisonous cloud (3d10), b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / poisonous cloud (3d10), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / poisonous cloud (3d10), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / poisonous cloud (3d10), sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / steam ball (3d19), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / steam ball (3d19), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / steam ball (3d19), b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / steam ball (3d19), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / steam ball (3d19), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / steam ball (3d19), sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) / sticky flame splash (3d6), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / sticky flame splash (3d6), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / sticky flame splash (3d6), b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / sticky flame splash (3d6), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / sticky flame splash (3d6), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / sticky flame splash (3d6), sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:54:21 <|amethyst> %??Draconian knight 09:54:26 yellow draconian knight (10d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 112-145 | AC/EV: 12/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(85), 08acid | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2426 | Sp: acid splash (3d7+7d5); b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d20), animate dead, simulacrum / b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), cantrip, b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d20) / b.fire (3d25), pain (d16), invisibility, animate dead / pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), blink / pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste / sticky flame range (3d6), mystic blast (3d20), invisibility, stone arrow (3d24), b.draining (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:54:26 <|amethyst> %??draconian knight 09:54:30 well the question is more "why does it repeat for every draconian colour when you capitalise draconian", surely? 09:54:38 unless that's something obvious that i don't get 09:54:45 right, that is the question 09:55:15 chei has a decent sleep in between which means you could query it and flood the channel for a looong time 09:55:37 what the hell? 09:56:34 unknown monster: "base draconian knight" 09:56:34 <|amethyst> %??base draconian knight 09:56:37 unknown monster: "nonbase draconian knight" 09:56:37 <|amethyst> %??nonbase draconian knight 09:56:44 unknown monster: "any nonbase draconian knight" 09:56:44 <|amethyst> %??any nonbase draconian knight 09:57:09 <|amethyst> oh, right, "base" means no job 09:58:38 yellow draconian scorcher (04d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-90 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(85), 08acid | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2267 | Sp: acid splash (3d7+7d5); b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:58:38 <|amethyst> %??draconian scorcher 09:58:43 yellow draconian scorcher (04d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-90 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(85), 08acid | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2267 | Sp: acid splash (3d7+7d5); b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:58:43 <|amethyst> %??draconian scorcher 09:58:51 green draconian scorcher (04d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-90 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(85), 03poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2267 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) / b.lightning (3d21), b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) / b.quicksilver (3d20), b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) / fire breath (3d20), b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) / nonexistent spell, b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) / poisonous cloud (3d10), b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) / steam ball (3d19), b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) / sticky flame splash (3d6), b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 09:58:51 <|amethyst> %??Draconian scorcher 09:59:29 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:59:32 <|amethyst> my only guess is that capital D makes the direct monster lookup fail, so it falls back to parsing it as a draconian spec 09:59:33 the query %??nonbase draconian or %??Nonbase draconian doesnt work btw 09:59:42 unknown monster: "any nonbase draconian" 09:59:42 <|amethyst> %??any nonbase draconian 09:59:51 <|amethyst> hm 10:00:32 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:44 if you allow looking up arbitrary monster specs, restrict it to queries? 10:01:28 <|amethyst> I see 10:01:35 <|amethyst> in monster-main.cc 10:01:37 otoh, looking up new spells on old monsters is sometimes useful, so maybe just make it cut off like sequell 10:01:42 <|amethyst> (in 'monster' not 'crawl'): 10:01:43 <|amethyst> // If the user requested a drac, the game might generate a 10:01:43 <|amethyst> // coloured drac in response. Try to reuse that colour for further 10:01:43 <|amethyst> // tests. 10:02:02 <|amethyst> but that depends on requested_name->find("draconian") == 0 10:02:11 <|amethyst> (it doesn't force lowercase) 10:05:09 <|amethyst> kilobyte: do you see any problem with moving the lowercase() call in monster to before rebind_mspec() ? 10:06:12 -!- johnstein_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:15 -!- johnstein_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:06:21 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the current behaviour causes spamminess with e.g. %??Draconian knight with a capital D (because rebind_mspec() uses case-sensitive find() etc) 10:06:46 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-1630-g73dfa83: Use "Killed by" prefix when displaying long form of direct Xom deaths. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=73dfa838f74e 10:06:47 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:06:47 -!- johnstein_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:55 -!- johnstein_ is now known as johnstein 10:08:16 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:11:54 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:13:35 -!- Psyknux_ has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 10:13:42 -!- Sobieck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:18:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:21:51 -!- minqmay has quit [Client Quit] 10:25:48 -!- johnstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:50 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest3621 10:31:54 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:33:20 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:28 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:54 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:43:12 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:46:48 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 10:49:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:44 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 11:01:59 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Client Quit] 11:20:09 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:28:54 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:38 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:49:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:50:40 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 11:50:59 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:31 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:04 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:00:06 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- odiv has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- codile has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- edlothiol has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- Isvaffl has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- Twinge has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- cbus has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- ZombieChicken has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- helsbecter has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- sgiratch has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- elliott has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- Pedjt has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- Grunt has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:59 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 12:02:12 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:12 -!- paxed has quit [Changing host] 12:02:14 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:17 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:22 -!- Pedjt has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:38 -!- elliott is now known as Guest87682 12:02:45 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:47 -!- helsbecter has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: isn't test spawner supposed to be omni-resistant? mrd(MR_RES_ELEC | MR_RES_POISON | MR_RES_FIRE | MR_RES_COLD | MR_RES_ROTTING, 4) seems to give just one level of rC according to monster 12:03:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I guess it's just monster, the game reports it correctly 12:05:37 test spawner (16X) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 1000 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 127/127 | 11non-living, amphibious, regen, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 08acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm++ | XP: 1 | Sp: shadow creatures | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 12:05:37 %??test spawner 12:06:14 -!- Guest87682 is now known as elliott 12:06:20 -!- elliott has quit [Changing host] 12:06:20 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:34 should give it rHoly :) 12:07:04 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:07:45 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Killed (holmes.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 12:07:45 -!- dptr1988_ is now known as dptr1988 12:09:54 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 12:18:34 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:00 -!- faze has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:23:14 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:26:52 it's not like the resistances of test spawners have much meaning... 12:28:48 -!- jacobe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:35 -!- sgiratch has quit [Changing host] 12:43:07 What's next for development? 12:44:02 fix all the bugs 12:44:27 Then release? 12:44:36 Wow, .12 didn't take as long as I thought it would 12:44:53 no, just in general. fix all the bugs 12:44:56 oh 12:49:45 there's 436897469476893764 open bugs on mantis, feel free to fix 'em 12:50:23 yeah, I know, they should have a priority over new features... 12:52:49 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:58:37 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:03:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:18:44 unknown monster: "octopode storm mage" 13:18:44 %??octopode name:octopode storm mage hd:12 spells:primal_wave;lightning_bolt;throw_icicle;swiftness 13:18:54 octopode storm mage (11x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 64-105 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Dam: 20, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious, cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(16), 12drown | XP: 1268 | Sp: primal wave (3d18), b.lightning (3d18), throw icicle (3d21), swiftness | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:18:54 %??octopode name:octopode_storm_mage hd:12 spells:primal_wave;lightning_bolt;throw_icicle;swiftness 13:23:33 If there's an octopode spellcaster, I'd expect it to be a VM or something. 13:24:17 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:27:56 octopode polluter (03x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 82-131 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Dam: 20, 403(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious, cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(20), 12drown | XP: 1942 | Sp: b.venom (3d19), poisonous cloud (3d10), poison arrow (3d22), sting (d13) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:27:56 %??octopode name:polluter col:green n_suf hd:15 spells:venom_bolt;poisonous_cloud;poison_arrow;sting 13:28:51 disconnected vault level in pan (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6513) by sim 13:28:53 -!- purge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:46 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:42 -!- shirish has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:02 -!- ZombieChicken has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 13:43:13 so what is the plan for 0.12 release? 13:43:19 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:38 0.12 has had enough new stuff for a release for a long time, and now also inception 13:44:21 which should probably be tested and balanced before release 13:45:32 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:20 also maybe new vaults should be improved? a lot of people seem unhappy with it. 13:52:52 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:55:12 Grunt: Thank you for the idea, although something tells me that it shouldn't bother with sting 13:58:49 alefury: st_ did a lot of work on newvaults 13:59:19 i thought he gave up? 13:59:47 oh, right, but a bunch of vaults were removed 13:59:57 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:04 doesnt help with the problem that we need more good ones 14:00:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 14:00:38 Lightli: Get to work on more vaults vaults. 14:00:53 Grunt: But I don't know how to make vaults for new vaults 14:00:55 You were looking for ideas for something to work on vaults-wise, yes? 14:01:00 yes 14:01:19 Make rooms that fit into the various sizes. 14:01:23 Lightli: the main complaint with current vaults rooms is that too many are too gimmicky 14:01:38 So go for simplicity? 14:01:45 so 089 vaults with fairly sparse furniture 14:01:51 maybe a few pillars or something 14:01:59 maybe a simple bisection of the room 14:02:44 fancy stuff with low weight is also good, but rooms that feel "normal" should make up the bulk 14:05:21 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:06:13 alefury: get to work, then :b 14:06:35 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 14:07:01 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:56 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:09 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:20:38 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:15 -!- faze has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:52 -!- burningled is now known as BurningLed 14:26:18 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:57 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: Quitte] 14:33:14 -!- tJener has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:19 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:41:43 -!- jacobe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:08 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:33 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:58 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43:48 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:35 -!- codile has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 14:49:37 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1631-g8cd7dd5: Remove wolf spiders from Summon Swarm. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cd7dd59d625 14:49:59 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:13 rip summon sswarm 14:52:54 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:53:46 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:53:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:06 elliptic: Not that this is necessarily an issue, but aren't spiders a lot weaker than even old wolf spiders were? 15:03:28 DracoOmega: yeah, but the rod was at least a little overpowered then anyway :P 15:03:42 Haha, fair enough 15:06:38 Most of what I remember of the old summon swarm were yellow wasp and assorted unmemorable junk, but... :P 15:08:00 <|amethyst> FR: summon swarm has a small chance of orb spiders :/ 15:08:40 Wouldn't they be as liable to blow up the other half of the swarm as to be actually helpful? 15:08:52 <|amethyst> or you, yes 15:09:04 The 'you' bit, I am fine with :P 15:09:08 At least you can try to get out of the way 15:10:03 <|amethyst> friendly monsters with M_MAINTAIN_RANGE behave a little funny, anyway 15:10:12 A bit, yes 15:10:27 (I actually this very moment working on code involving one of those, actually) 15:10:35 <|amethyst> if you tell them to follow, they'll stay at range from you, but "wait here" and they'll wander closer 15:10:54 <|amethyst> this isn't by design, I just didn't care much about friendly ones when implementing it 15:10:56 Well, at least that particular bit is not an issue here, since you can't actually command it 15:16:01 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:23 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:21:54 -!- lexackson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:41 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:25:35 DracoOmega: yellow wasp is far from junk, unless you don't like paralyzing monsters 15:25:47 Wait, what? I was implying the opposite 15:25:54 oh 15:26:10 That the rod basically summoned two things: a) yellows wasps b) other random junk 15:26:22 the killer bees are pretty good too really 15:26:27 I realize the other stuff is useful too, but that's just how my mind categorized it 15:26:45 Because that was always what I was hoping to get when I cast it 15:26:48 <|amethyst> FR: Bryant Gumbelbees 15:26:50 I see 15:28:12 A bit like the swarm card in that respect, I guess. The other stuff is often good, too, but the wasps always feel like hitting the jackpot :P 15:29:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:29:37 Is there any way to see a list of props a monster has, in wizmode? Like you can get a list of all kinds of other internal variables? 15:31:35 <|amethyst> I don't see any prop-related code in wiz-mon.cc 15:32:11 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:32:23 Ah well. Would be nice, but I'll manage some other way 15:32:24 Quick question: Why was the Berserker Rage spell removed? 15:32:31 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: you could implement it :) 15:32:35 Asking because SA is angry about crusaders 15:32:50 I suppose I could! But currently I would rather figure out why this is broken in my SPECIFIC case :p 15:33:09 Since something is getting called which should only happen if a given prop is set, and that prop doesn't seem to be getting set, so I am confused 15:34:04 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:35:41 <|amethyst> Lightli: because there were a lot of sources of rage 15:35:49 <|amethyst> Lightli: same reason teleport self was removed 15:36:07 I thought it was removed because going berserk from a spell didn't make sense because Trog 15:36:20 Also some of that. Keep god abilities seperate from spells anyone can use 15:36:25 is SA really angry about crusaders 15:36:27 Banishment and Torment also used to be normal spells 15:36:29 aren't they really old news 15:36:42 <|amethyst> I'm sure that was a part of it (though the amulet isn't trog-flavoured) 15:38:03 iirc it didn't have anything specifically to do with trog, just that there were too many sources of berserk in the game and the spell was the most overpowered one 15:38:08 And I thought tele self was removed because they wanted people to use the tele ring instead and also because otherwise that's 4 spell slots gone 15:38:12 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:38:21 I thought it was level 5? 15:38:22 trog, amulet, artefacts, potions 15:38:35 Well, the potions were vanishingly rare back when it was removed, no? 15:38:40 elliptic: Technically, Trog's is the most powerful because it means you're worshipping Trog 15:38:43 Or was that when they were actually made reasonably common? 15:39:03 Back when they used to be rare than cure mutation for some silly reason 15:39:06 rarer* 15:39:13 I think they were made commoner at about the same time, but I could be misremembering the timing, yes 15:39:16 %git 8a834fc3 15:39:17 03MarvinPA * 0.9-a1-126-g8a834fc: Re-weight potions, make potion of berserk rage more common 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 1 file, 27+ 27-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a834fc39ac0 15:39:27 (help why have we fallen 2 years into the past) 15:39:29 <|amethyst> %git b78db850 15:39:30 03kilobyte * 0.9-a1-121-gb78db85: Axe the Berserker Rage spell. Boost Crusaders. 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b78db8501771 15:39:39 Okay, that does look basically at the same time 15:39:41 <|amethyst> so pretty much the same time, yes 15:39:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:12 search (Ctrl+F) reveals highlevel book (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6514) by argonaut 15:40:12 it was a pretty ridiculous spell at level 3 anyway 15:40:19 How long after that did crusaders get renamed? 15:40:20 Yes, perhaps 15:40:36 The silly thing is, back when the spell existed, I actually didn't realize how rediculous it was. I had won crusaders and never bothered to use it. 15:40:38 Also, they had HASTE instead of Berserk for a time? Was the haste nerf in yet or no? 15:40:38 crusaders didn't get renamed 15:40:43 they were replaced 15:40:56 Close enough 15:41:02 Lightli: They had haste AND berserk for a while 15:41:08 ...oh god 15:41:12 Back in 0.7 15:41:13 <|amethyst> %git ab4e0cb 15:41:14 03kilobyte * 0.9-a1-703-gab4e0cb: s/Crusader/Skald/ 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 9 files, 16+ 16-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab4e0cbf961e 15:41:18 this stuff is all in the changelogs 15:41:21 for haste before berserk obv 15:41:31 |amethyst: yeah, but that was the same time they got a completely new book 15:41:45 Which was far weaker 15:41:52 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:58 Though the low-level stuff in it was mostly the same 15:42:04 |amethyst: people just took a few days to decide on a new name 15:42:10 Apparently the big difference between crusaders and skalds was that crusaders were good 15:42:27 Lightli: is there any reason why you are bringing up ancient history here, btw? 15:42:33 Boredom. 15:42:47 <-- ##crawl is that way 15:42:51 Sometimes, it's nice to look back and wonder "why didn't we do this earlier" 15:46:09 -!- Alheris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:17 Oh boo. I think the whole problem was a = and == mixup -.- 15:48:23 a mistake to be proud of 15:48:28 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:39 <|amethyst> ??epic bugs 15:48:39 epic bugs[1/7]: if (you.religion = GOD_XOM) 15:48:41 :( 15:48:44 beat me to it :P 15:48:44 Oh, haha 15:48:51 Much less epic than that, I am afraid 15:49:05 It merely caused the familiar to do nothing every second turn 15:49:19 <|amethyst> familiar? 15:49:23 <|amethyst> new spell? 15:49:27 Yes, another one of them 15:49:37 This is #5 in the new conjurations now 15:49:44 What does the familiar do? 15:49:45 <|amethyst> have you read the homunculus writeup, btw? 15:49:56 (and should that be summoning? 15:49:57 That was the temp allies from potions thing, yes? 15:50:04 <|amethyst> yeah... we already have the OBJ_ enum for fizzing potions :) 15:50:24 This isn't really like that, though. It's more like a Gradius-style 'option', if that means anything to you 15:50:44 Hovers around near you and fires at what you fire at, when you fire at it 15:50:46 I know what you're talking about. 15:50:47 <|amethyst> oh, or meat boy in The Binding of Isaac 15:51:19 Most of the tricky logic is just getting it to move in a sensible way so that it won't have its shots blocked by walls or you 15:51:26 Well, 'tricky' in relative terms 15:51:46 <|amethyst> btw, someone (minqmay maybe?) suggested laser-like "sword beams" as a charms/conj 15:51:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 15:52:04 <|amethyst> maybe it was mikee, I really can't remember now 15:52:12 Well, I do have a spell that fires an energy blade out that zips back and forth between monsters for the next few turns 15:52:14 <|amethyst> or someone else entirely 15:52:25 <|amethyst> oh, yeah, you mentioned that one 15:52:32 <|amethyst> I'd like to see some of these in action 15:52:33 i was talking about having something like that as maybe a fixedart effect a while ago 15:52:42 although probably i stole the idea from an old spell suggestion or something 15:52:53 <|amethyst> also, transmutation could maybe use some (non-form) love 15:52:53 Well, I figured I'd submit the patch once enough is polished for the whole book to be changed 15:53:00 -!- Sobieck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:53:08 <|amethyst> oh, this was for non-elemental Cj? 15:53:10 I am getting close now, I think 15:53:11 Yes 15:53:20 <|amethyst> I still don't know how I feel about that 15:53:24 Oh? 15:53:26 <|amethyst> I don't like the current situation at all 15:53:47 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:53:53 <|amethyst> but I think I'd prefer something like one spell of each element/conj, and the rest pure conj 15:54:12 ps add orb of distraction to your cj book 15:54:23 <|amethyst> but they'd have to be low level, so it probably wouldn't work with current spell sets or progression 15:54:23 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:42 That sort of generalist approach kind of reminds me of wizard, too 15:54:54 (or i might actually try and implement it, also) 15:54:54 Except probably less useful in this case 15:55:06 <|amethyst> true 15:55:26 I mean, you might be able to do interesting things with it, but there's not as large a room for low level conjurations to be interestingly distinct enough that you'd want to have a bunch of them 15:56:15 At least, that's my feel on it. If you have a particularly interesting mechanic, you'd often want it to be high level enough that it wouldn't be irrelevant past the very early game 15:56:18 In many cases, anyway 15:56:25 <|amethyst> that is true 15:56:42 And yes, I know there are plenty of low level spells that retain their relevance for a long time (or always), but none of them are conjurations 15:57:03 |amethyst: I think I'd prefer something like one fire/conj spell, one ice/conj spell, and the rest non-elemental (but not necessarily pure conj 15:57:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:57:18 Freeze stays useful even in Lair, that's a Level 1 spell 15:57:20 one spell for each of the four elements gets sort of crowded 15:57:49 Well, currently the layout is: conj, conj, conj/hex, conj, conj/charms, and conj/??? 15:57:56 at what levels? 15:58:08 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5 I think? 15:58:16 Or possible 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5 15:58:32 also having both conj/hex and conj/charms sounds weird... can you make them both be charms or both be hexes :P 15:58:48 Hmmm.... is it any wierder than fire and ice in the same book? 15:58:57 well the point is that there is no need for balance 15:59:17 and the distinction between hexes and charms is pretty arbitrary 15:59:26 DracoOmega: We have earth and air in the same book, that makes even less sense 15:59:42 Somewhat, I suppose 15:59:58 Either way, these are obviously subject to changes and refinements and differences of opinion and all :P 16:00:07 I hope to soon have them all tidied enough to share, anyway 16:00:26 ok 16:01:08 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 16:02:27 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:54 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:00 Also (and I suppose this might be more controversial) I had been planning to work on a new reaver book, too. In fact, that energy blade spell felt to me like it could be a better fit there and there was a shortage of room in the conjurer book, which is sort of where the idea started. But I have several other concepts that I think could be interestingly implemented there. 16:03:39 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:10 More based around the idea of melee support in several ways 16:04:20 (Like, conjurations that work with that in mind) 16:04:59 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:07:13 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:17 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 16:07:39 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:06 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:45 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:11:49 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:55 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:36 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:13:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:14:04 -!- DracoOmega_ is now known as DracoOmega 16:14:32 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15:00 In any case, it's probably simple enough to reflavor a bunch of these if it is somehow desired to make them elemental or whatnot 16:15:04 Or move them to different levels 16:17:26 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:19:33 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 16:21:06 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 16:21:49 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:22:17 -!- djanatyn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:35 -!- Alheris has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:43 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:12 -!- Nivim_ is now known as Nivim 16:35:39 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:35:40 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:47 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:44:06 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:37 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:53:04 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54:18 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54:30 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:06 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:03:01 i still wanna implement that hex/tmut spell that gives you an enslave aura 17:03:34 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03:37 Why is that tmut? 17:03:48 -!- Guest3621 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:05:37 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:05:48 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 17:08:39 -!- tkappleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:14 * Grunt is reminded of that badforum about conjurations and summoning. 17:11:19 ??badforum[62] 17:11:19 badforum[62/88]: Throw icicle (summoning/ice, level 4) - change this from conjuration to summoning 17:12:06 summon icicle beast 17:14:51 -!- dtsund is now known as TommyGruvich 17:15:11 DracoOmega: changes you to be supernaturally compelling to others 17:15:38 -!- TommyGruvich is now known as dtsund 17:20:46 -!- blabber_ has quit [Quit: gn8] 17:22:13 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:22:58 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27:33 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:33:06 http://pastebin.com/J1yKUctz 17:33:07 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:14 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:16 So yeah. 17:33:31 The wranglers are probably evil (berserk + constriction = ow) 17:34:52 DEPTH: Shoals 17:34:55 what 17:35:33 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:36:46 * Grunt goes to look up the XL12 air magic title... 17:37:10 ..."cloud mage". I knew that. 17:37:37 I guess the storm mage casts both ice and air magic, though. 17:38:13 This reminds me; at some point I was going to do a rare alternate Shoals ending design called the Palace of the Octopus King. 17:38:24 ...with nonbase octopodes. 17:38:48 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:49 someone should probably make sure octopode monsters are interesting to fight first 17:38:52 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:01 they were never intended to be anything but placeholders 17:39:29 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:26 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:42:55 I wish I knew why the familiar sometimes sets foe to MHITNOT before it performs its ability, and other times does not 17:43:03 When it was explicitly set earlier 17:43:15 Monster behavior code is long and complicated 17:45:02 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:57 But it only seems to happen maybe 25% of the time or so, and I'm not sure what the differentiating factor is 17:50:09 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:54:50 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:09:39 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:12:09 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:56 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:12 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:21:41 !learn edit gauntlet[2] s|5658506|5665221| 18:21:42 gauntlet[2/2]: Take pastie.org/pastes/5665221/text and a local copy of crawl, replace the dat/des/portals/icecave.des contents with the pastie, load crawl, wizmode plausible character for d:18, &L in .gauntlet_portal_generic_entry., enter portal. After that, upgrade character for d:25, &L the same vault, enter portal, and &^r the level for the harder version. 18:22:06 "Stimulus is lethal;" "Product is not ready" 18:28:01 hangedman is it okay to use the transparent tag if the vault isn't*entirely* surrounded by open space 18:28:27 if it's a corridor yes 18:29:33 it's like an L - shaped altar and has two sides open, so like a bit more than half of it is open on the edge 18:29:56 welllllll 18:30:11 then another one is like 3/4 open 18:30:12 -!- mgq has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:20 -!- mgq has left ##crawl-dev 18:30:30 while I try to adhere to what actually makes sense with a "transparent" vault I've been told that as long as there are no enclosed areas all vaults should be transparent anyway 18:30:55 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1518691/ 18:30:57 I think it would probably be fine short of absolutely enclosed areas (this includes liquids) involved 18:31:32 that, for example, is probably fine 18:31:38 okay 18:31:48 probably shouldn't re-colour the stone by the way 18:32:50 mmm I wanted to set a bit of a color scheme for kiku. I wasn't going to color it but it was impossible to make a grayscale altar look any good in console 18:32:56 so there is this thing where hitting ctrl-key is also possible by * followed by key 18:33:07 but it doesn't work on X map because * has a mapping on its own there 18:33:16 would appreciate getting rid of that inconsistency 18:33:48 kiku is a demon god and it's as gaudy as any pandemonium stage so 18:34:26 it's not about the gaudiness as much as it is about the weirdness of seeing a random purple stone wall and knowing there's a kiku altar on the other side 18:35:02 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:54 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:36:03 ah. Well, I guess that's fixable by making it fully open 18:36:46 so nobody will come across some random purple wall without being able to explore it immediately 18:37:18 sure 18:38:12 my main motivation for making overflow altars is so I don't get boned by some lemuel generic altar ever again 18:38:58 did your troll want makhleb?? better find !flight, chump 18:39:14 the best reason possible 18:41:12 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:06 better commission some more blocked off overflows to balance it out then 18:42:46 marvinpa_oklob_overflow 18:43:26 hangedman_electric_eel_overflow 18:44:43 do you suppose it's possible to make a xom altar that runs away from you like he does with stairs 18:45:00 no more xom altars please 18:45:07 yeah I didn' thave any plans to make any 18:45:10 but I'd like to see that one 18:45:21 certainly would beat chaos weapon abuse 18:45:26 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:45:28 fr xom altar mimic 18:45:57 I am just working on gods without many altars 18:46:17 there's a ton of fedhas altars for instance 18:47:55 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:50:28 -!- mamga_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:53:20 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:48 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58:27 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 19:10:42 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:10:43 -!- Psyknux is now known as Zephryn 19:11:38 ??charms 19:11:38 charms[1/2]: Probably want to train this. Contains all the good enchantments, after it was split into Charms and Hexes. 19:14:56 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:15:39 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 19:20:24 -!- Zephryn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:30 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:26:30 -!- Psyknux is now known as Zephryn 19:27:00 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:00 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:28:30 -!- Shadow1798 is now known as Schwer-Muta 19:28:54 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:29:11 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31:14 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:31:14 -!- Psyknux is now known as Zephryn 19:31:53 so when is polyphemus dying 19:36:02 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36:02 -!- Psyknux is now known as Zephryn 19:36:13 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:37:48 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 19:38:02 -!- Zephryn has quit [Client Quit] 19:42:23 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 19:44:20 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 19:44:54 -!- Yermak has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:33 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:48:48 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:48:51 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 19:49:21 -!- ToastyP is now known as Guest31261 19:49:44 You mean removed? 19:53:30 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:54:00 -!- Guest31261 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:00:56 -!- DDWz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:04:38 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:09:46 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:09:50 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:18:29 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:19:06 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:21:28 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:22:25 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:25:43 -!- tekoppen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:31:05 i should buff him 20:31:17 that'd be nice 20:31:17 well, create a buffed version :\ 20:31:35 maybe someone will be kind enough to put it up 20:32:47 i have two somewhat trivial patches that i don't want to put up on mantis because irc superiority and stuff, http://bpaste.net/show/m4Xz9049PBDUM2igMqOm/ and http://bpaste.net/show/QiXeMIY4h3PPveqbEoG0/ (click on "raw" there for the git-am ready format-patches) 20:33:09 also one that is a slight bit less trivial and probably needs discussion, http://bpaste.net/show/A62U05ZuwGC4ffUzWLbW/ 20:33:14 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:33:25 is it possible to force sequell to use case-sensitive regex? 20:33:41 i dug into the code a bit, but it's pretty abstract 20:33:58 [A-Z] == [A-Za-z] 20:34:23 i was going to get some historical dieseldata that way 20:34:25 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~^[[:upper:]] 20:34:28 Not at the moment 20:34:33 greensnark: ah ok 20:34:40 2024850. Apol the Firebug (L3 DrFE), slain by Crazy Yiuf (a +4,+2 quarterstaff of chaos) on D:2 (uniq crazy yiuf cottage) on 2013-01-11 02:33:51, with 106 points after 1152 turns and 0:03:15. 20:34:44 Sequell uses citext which forces case-insensitive collation 20:34:45 <|amethyst> !lg * name!~^[[:upper:]] 20:34:46 2035842. amourousBadger the Magician (L1 MuWz), slain by a kobold (a +0,+0 dagger) on D:1 on 2013-01-11 02:34:38, with 31 points after 283 turns and 0:01:08. 20:34:48 i can always make my own copy and search it through pg 20:35:00 <|amethyst> greensnark: [[:upper:]] looks like it's working? 20:35:15 name is not citext 20:35:21 The other text columns are all citext 20:35:23 <|amethyst> ah 20:35:31 <|amethyst> name is the important one for you, right faze? 20:35:37 yes 20:35:40 <|amethyst> !lg * name!~^[[:upper:]]*$ s=name 20:35:42 just name 20:35:44 2035842 games for * (name!~^[[:upper:]]*$): 103643x Sebi, 21600x Meow, 15333x syban, 12372x TGW, 9824x adamzap, 9491x KiloByte, 9068x Xiberia, 8665x heteroy, 8034x Ivo, 7740x Fieros, 7632x Elynae, 7019x Tenaya, 6721x soul, 6431x Eronarn, 6162x BirdoPrey, 5886x 78291, 5829x crawlie, 5710x Nexos, 5595x nogglebeak, 5516x phyphor, 5325x Vesto, 5321x DrPraetor, 5304x Neil, 5290x NyaaKitty, 5256x Nikiny... 20:35:50 <|amethyst> oh, hm 20:35:59 <|amethyst> oh 20:36:04 <|amethyst> !lg * name~~^[[:upper:]]*$ s=name 20:36:04 !~ is not regex 20:36:04 that was not the right query :) 20:36:07 1905545 games for * (name~~^[[:upper:]]*$): 103643x Sebi, 21600x Meow, 15333x syban, 12372x TGW, 9824x adamzap, 9491x KiloByte, 9068x Xiberia, 8665x heteroy, 8034x Ivo, 7740x Fieros, 7632x Elynae, 7019x Tenaya, 6721x soul, 6431x Eronarn, 6162x BirdoPrey, 5829x crawlie, 5710x Nexos, 5595x nogglebeak, 5516x phyphor, 5325x Vesto, 5321x DrPraetor, 5304x Neil, 5290x NyaaKitty, 5256x Nikinyo, 4891x uru,... 20:36:15 <|amethyst> hm... maybe it doesn't work 20:36:17 hm 20:36:22 nop 20:36:23 e 20:36:38 i go back to the computer 2-3 times a day cause i hear irc pings from these channels 20:36:39 Let me look to see if I'm casting name to CITEXT for all operations 20:36:44 I believe I was for = 20:36:46 i have way too many games played/scummed! 20:36:47 does it take significantly longer to do case sensitive name matches? 20:37:04 greensnark: did you get my messages re !time/tournament stuff 20:37:06 Actually it would be faster since name is not-CITEXT and casting it to CITEXT makes more work for postgres 20:37:12 Oh 20:37:17 Sorry, hadn't noticed 20:37:26 no worries 20:37:28 User-editable !time? 20:37:35 well, whitelisted 20:37:43 Pretty doable if you can define what parameters need to be editable 20:38:07 three dates: registration opens, start, end 20:38:09 Although I don't operate Henzell 20:38:11 that's it 20:38:17 right, ra x does 20:38:25 I believe |amethyst does as well 20:38:28 But I can put the code in 20:38:38 <|amethyst> I can apply any necessary Henzell patches, but I'm busy-ish so you might have to wait a few days 20:38:57 <|amethyst> still need to switch back to greensnark's branch 20:38:58 which version of python does cao run now? 20:39:16 |amethyst: no hurry, my bot is holding up just fine 20:39:27 <|amethyst> 2.7.3rc2 outside the chroot 20:39:35 oh good 20:39:46 i can use dictionary comprehensions to my hearts content :P 20:40:27 my bot is super simple, it just handles time 20:40:45 but i daemonized it and set it up to restart on dying 20:41:00 i felt pretty awesome, even though the last part was 6 lines of code 20:41:10 <|amethyst> that's more than cheibriados does :) 20:41:22 I made one of those early dungeon food vaults, any unique tags I need for that? 20:42:46 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:48 <|amethyst> Lightli: uniq_second_food extra chance_second_food 20:43:21 Depth? 20:43:31 <|amethyst> Lightli: look at the existing vaults in dat/des/builder/food.des to get an idea about quantities, depth, etc 20:43:36 thanks 20:44:17 <|amethyst> Lightli: you should try to stay in line with the existing vaults on amount of food, and keep in mind carnivore 3 and herbivore 3 20:44:18 -!- jacobe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:44:28 I know 20:44:42 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:56 Oh it appears Postgres has syntax to force case-sensitivity so I don't need to do anything 20:45:03 !lg * name~~(?c)^[[:upper:]]+$ s=name 20:45:03 26407 games for * (name~~(?c)^[[:upper:]]+$): 12372x TGW, 1007x KHAAAAAAAN, 910x PISS, 767x VZ, 675x BDR, 652x ZCH, 651x DEATHRAY, 639x DEMON, 522x HDID, 511x LASD, 491x RDB, 454x ZRN, 391x WYA, 344x CAO, 333x BMP, 299x JLD, 265x HUNGRYM, 253x HOGE, 250x WW, 246x HLA, 233x FIRECRAB, 229x JDALLEMAN, 219x TNDRNSS, 218x JC, 198x GIRLIRL, 184x LOL, 181x MUMMY, 162x NOPE, 146x BONGHITZ, 139x DNADANTE, ... 20:45:10 <|amethyst> ah, nice 20:48:26 faze: I presume registration would end when the diesel tourney starts? 20:53:40 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:54:22 ??carnivore 20:54:22 carnivore[1/1]: Built-in {gourmand} (i.e. eat chunks when not hungry) without the sickness protection. Also makes you get less nutrition from non-meat food, and more from meat -- and since almost all you eat is chunks, that's good. Concurrent levels increase the effect. The third level prevents eating non-meat food completely. Mutually exclusive with {herbivore}. 20:54:32 ??herbivore 20:54:32 herbivore[1/1]: You get less nutrition from meat food and chunks, but more from veggie food -- including cheese. At the third level you can't eat meat at all -- if you've played a Spriggan, you're already familiar with how this works. Mutually exclusive with {carnivore} and generally regarded as less useful, since it makes eating chunks more difficult. 20:54:47 How much nutrition does it give? 20:54:51 greensnark: thanks, i'll make a note of it 20:54:55 *more 21:03:04 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Quit: Crazylemon64] 21:03:12 http://pastebin.com/iT3ckAqB 21:03:16 Begin the butchering 21:03:54 <|amethyst> Lightli: for non-chunks, see food_value in itemprop.cc 21:04:16 Thanks 21:04:40 <|amethyst> Lightli: each permafood defines its own modifiers (you can see them in Food_prop in itemprop.cc) 21:05:36 Too much food? 21:06:21 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1518900/ can someone help me out with this? I have it all figured out except I want to make the pressure plate trigger an alarm trap too. I don't know any lua so I kinda pieced this together incrementally from other vaults D: 21:06:43 so you step on the pressure plate, the alarm trap triggers, and so does the script 21:07:00 <|amethyst> Lightli: six rations is a lot I think 21:07:12 <|amethyst> Lightli: but I'm not a good judge so don't take my word for it 21:07:14 the food vaults I've seen are like four food things 21:07:17 Wait I thought it was only 4 21:07:20 and maybe one or two is a ration 21:07:48 It's actually only 5 21:08:21 <|amethyst> helsbecter: there's dgn.noisy() maybe 21:08:26 Wait, no, 4 21:08:54 <|amethyst> helsbecter: it takes a loudness and coords 21:09:31 okay, so that would go along with the wall collapsing and the smoke going off? 21:09:35 <|amethyst> helsbecter: beyond that you'll have to ask one of the vault programmers; all this trigger stuff I don't know very well 21:09:45 ah 21:09:53 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:09:53 if it just made a loud noise that would be fine 21:09:57 <|amethyst> but, yeah, that sounds reasonable 21:10:21 <|amethyst> you'll have to look at the source to get an idea what values to use for loudness 21:10:38 <|amethyst> lightning bolt is 25 for example 21:10:51 <|amethyst> (the bolt itself, ignoring the casting noise) 21:10:58 probably the same loudness as a boring beetle 21:11:05 since that's what's happening essentially 21:11:22 or it's probably in volcano somewhere 21:12:08 <|amethyst> hm, doesn't look like volcano actually makes noise 21:12:15 <|amethyst> unless I'm missing something 21:12:27 I figured it would when stuff collapses there 21:12:36 hum 21:12:55 <|amethyst> grinding sound isn't actually noisy 21:13:37 <|amethyst> Lernaean hydra knocking over trees does, but boring beetle appears not to; see _monster_move() in mon-act.cc 21:13:47 <|amethyst> s/does/does make noise/ 21:15:07 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:15:52 <|amethyst> Also (and some existing vaults make this same mistake), "You hear the walls come tumbling down" is not really appropriate if you can't hear them (you.hear_pos() in Lua) 21:16:36 -!- Kagero has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:16:53 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:17:02 <|amethyst> it just checks for silence at both positions 21:17:03 I copied from a vault that made the mistake then ;) 21:17:12 <|amethyst> volcano? 21:17:28 no I based it off of one of those grate traps 21:17:45 and just changed stuff incrementally until it worked the way I wanted it to 21:18:20 <|amethyst> hm... if the sound is coming from an extensive area so that there isn't a single position to check for you.hear_pos(), you could use just you.silenced() 21:18:23 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 21:19:03 <|amethyst> maybe someday I'll go through vaults with sound messages that shouldn't be 21:19:39 <|amethyst> I did it for monster speech, though that's a little simpler since it's just a different tag on the database entry 21:20:45 <|amethyst> (did the opposite, actually, since monster speech is fail-safe wrt silence) 21:21:05 hm 21:21:42 <|amethyst> (by which I mean, you need an explicit "VISUAL" tag for a monster speech line to happen when you or the monster is silenced 21:22:13 I think I'll ask hangedman or evilmike or someone who makes stuff like this 21:22:26 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:22:27 -!- Psyknux is now known as Zephryn 21:22:40 cause there has to be a noise at the start to make the walls fall down, otherwise the flavor doesn't work 21:22:49 it's supposed to be like the walls of jericho after all 21:23:08 <|amethyst> I think Grunt knows the Lua vault stuff fairly well, too 21:23:23 <|amethyst> and plenty others I'm sure 21:23:45 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Client Quit] 21:25:58 -!- Psyknux has quit [Client Quit] 21:26:09 -!- DDWz has quit [Client Quit] 21:27:12 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:28:05 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 21:28:41 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:32:04 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:32:49 -!- BurningLed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:32:52 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:50 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:36:26 -!- rkd has quit [] 21:38:48 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40:17 -!- alefury has left ##crawl-dev 21:40:17 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:31 when it says a stale process is running, does recovering mean it sends a SIGHUP to it? 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