00:03:01 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1573-g98eede4 (34) 00:03:46 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11.1-34-ga762aef 00:06:29 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1586-g028c60f (34) 00:11:57 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:26 ontoclasm: disjunction spell icon! 00:12:26 hangedman: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:13:31 ontoclasm: also disjunction aura is an ugly effect in most circumstances but whatever 00:14:42 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:32 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:17:08 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1573-g98eede4 00:17:30 hangedman: the *tiles* look ungreat, but I love how it looks in console 00:17:34 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:17:49 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:17:58 -!- hangedman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:19:15 Quick question: the feature that functions as an entry to the vaults is enter_vaults, right? 00:27:24 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:07 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 00:28:56 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:16 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:53 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:43:18 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:43:43 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:34 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:50 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1587-g7a77bec: Maelstrom tiles. 10(2 minutes ago, 6 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a77becf9a20 01:02:54 -!- Guest24277 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:54 -!- Guest24277 is now known as _dd 01:21:07 -!- st_ has quit [] 01:28:33 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:35 -!- Harms_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:51:58 -!- mivue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:08 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:24 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 02:15:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:25 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:17:53 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:24 -!- amateur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:25:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:27:27 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: tune in next week as *zzzzPOW*] 02:28:49 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30:39 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:30 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:15 -!- bza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:36 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:15 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:48:30 -!- Fear has quit [Client Quit] 02:52:39 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin 02:54:40 hmm... didn't I re-enable yesterday? 02:55:28 seems like I didn't :-O 02:55:32 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:29 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03:33 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:03:48 -!- Guest37193 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:04:04 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:05:11 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:37 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:05:37 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:05:37 -!- beepboop has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:06:25 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:25 -!- jdpage is now known as Guest931 03:11:59 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:14:11 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:17 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:19:07 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:54 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:30:32 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:30:49 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:23 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:51:06 -!- Dunwich has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:58:31 Spider Nest Entry Crash (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6494) by Czeska 04:00:57 -!- Guest931 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:03:11 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:23 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24:16 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:31 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 04:25:47 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:25 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:27 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:36 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:43 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:33:07 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:33:20 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:17 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:45:23 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:51:29 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:58:33 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:59:48 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:00:04 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1587-g7a77bec 05:09:29 -!- dopefish_ has quit [Client Quit] 05:11:10 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:47 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:26:54 hmmm... 05:26:55 -!- archl has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121129165506]] 05:27:05 I have this char with throwing skill at 0.0 05:27:37 yet, he's doing a great job killing stuff with javelins, which also break very seldomly 05:27:50 this is not intended, is it? 05:32:55 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:35:27 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:36:09 It is, throwing skill doesn't change much 05:39:56 then the skill should be removed? 05:46:28 it matters a lot for blowguns 05:46:38 sort of 05:51:29 Who uses blowguns 05:51:48 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:55:58 strong early weapon 05:56:01 <3 them 05:56:51 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:57:22 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:06 where "sort of" means if you want the "special needles" to take effect 06:01:10 that's the precise meaning of sort of 06:02:54 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:31 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:03:49 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 06:03:51 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:07:01 Before I go to bed, what monsters should I put into this vault? 06:07:02 http://pastebin.com/1iMh3bmK 06:09:50 well there are 8 chambers, so maybe you should put lots of 8s in 06:09:53 the theme can be golems and out of depth monsters 06:11:36 What about the loot? 06:12:53 I do want it to be pretty hard, but I don't want to shower loot everywhere 06:12:57 crystal balls of energy and scrolls of magic mapping. that's about the closest you can get to a magic "8" ball now that balls of seeing are gone 06:14:32 -!- amateur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:14:59 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:21:49 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:27:29 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:59 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:48:34 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:48:51 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 06:56:26 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:30 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: http://i47.tinypic.com/332coza.png That is why I am going to sleep] 07:04:07 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:38 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest54494 07:10:25 Crash while trying to change "Base" in Character Tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6495) by Czeska 07:17:23 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:23:35 -!- tJener_ is now known as tJener 07:25:53 -!- Harms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:26:02 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:48 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:17 -!- sirtheta has quit [Quit: Connection reset by appel] 07:45:05 |amethyst? 07:45:09 are you in? 07:49:31 nevermind :) 07:55:15 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots updated 08:01:48 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:03:05 -!- Findor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:06:18 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 08:10:22 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:03 -!- sumguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:12:13 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:12:47 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:59 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:21:48 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:22:44 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 08:26:33 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:29 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:29:55 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:29:55 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:29:55 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:30:02 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 08:30:50 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:31:38 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:58 Sometimes it seems like there's some sort of magic to what changes trigger a full rebuild and what don't 08:41:19 A small change in target.cc just did it then, despite an almost identical change not doing it a few minutes ago 08:41:27 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 08:45:50 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:52:34 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:16 -!- jilles_ is now known as jilles 09:01:35 corrupted save (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6496) by Seven-Force 09:02:21 DracoOmega: a random .cc file that has no headers generated out of it can't cause that 09:02:33 something else must have changed, like your build options 09:02:41 kilobyte: So I would think, but I have no idea what did it 09:03:49 I see that only species.cc is sourced by anything, and that's to generate documentation (aptitudes.txt) 09:04:07 (all other generated files come from XXX.h or XXX.txt) 09:04:45 In the end, it seems the was a compilation error in target.cc, so maybe the compiler itself got confused or something 09:04:48 It's not like it matters much 09:06:17 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 09:07:19 the makefile is quite buggy, especially on Windows. I can't think of any likely explanation here, but I won't argue there's none :p 09:07:35 Heh 09:24:14 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30:38 -!- Saty has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:31:56 -!- SaintWaco has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:36:58 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:47:06 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:59:57 -!- vimpulse has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:27 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:04:51 <|amethyst> Napkin: I am in now, for a little while 10:05:46 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:02 the word "omnivore" is a lie, it's really only "omni-food-vore". Is there a word for "omni-solid-matter-other-thank-rock-vore"? 10:14:16 s/thank/than/ 10:14:38 carnivegivore? 10:15:00 I want the latter, not the former 10:15:02 <|amethyst> including metal items but not rock? 10:15:35 Yeah I find that definition odd. 10:15:40 jelly? 10:15:40 * kilobyte notes an inconsistency that jellies can't get through metal walls, grates and trees. 10:16:18 obviously there are limitations based on size 10:16:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:54 hi all. xterm starts up as 80x24, just like a VT100 does. If I run tmux inside xterm, there's 80x23 left: that's too small for Crawl. If I maximize xterm, I get a big-enough window for Crawl. 10:16:59 If I restore the window during play, Crawl 0.11.0 crashes. "ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 968: screen write out of bounds: (-1,-1) into (80,23)". 10:17:00 Should I report this? And if so, should I mention the stuff about how I ended up with an 80x23 terminal? 10:17:36 s/restore/unmaximize 10:17:45 <|amethyst> the only bug is that the message isn't better, but that's worth reporting 10:17:58 <|amethyst> crawl is simply incapable of running with a height less than 24 lines 10:18:16 I'd at least turn that WINCH into HUP 10:18:47 <|amethyst> hm 10:18:48 preferably, though, we could blank the screen, write "tinyterms suck" and let the player restore it or quit 10:19:05 Or you could ignore the SIGWINCH, keep running, and show a messed-up screen. 10:19:34 <|amethyst> though... why can't we reduce the message area if the screen is less than 24 lines? 10:19:34 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:31 <|amethyst> we need just 17 lines for LOS, right? 10:21:04 would a one-line message area be sufficient when playing Crawl on a smartphone or on a television? 10:21:05 sort of, but lots of screens are rigid 10:21:11 [got to go] 10:21:31 <|amethyst> oh, that's true.. there are other unscrollable screens that assume we have 24 columns 10:21:41 <|amethyst> err, 24 lines 10:23:07 maybe really I should just file an improvement request against xterm. I could explain that tmux is popular nowadays, so xterm should start up as 80x25 or 80x26 by default. Makes sense? 10:23:40 <|amethyst> vimpulse: I don't know if I like the "pretend it's 80x24" thing that much, since that could hide information without (much) warning 10:23:53 <|amethyst> vimpulse: I'm sure the xterm folks would say ENOTABUG :) 10:24:02 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:24:26 |amethyst: :) 10:24:48 <|amethyst> vimpulse: can't you configure that in your .Xresources? 10:25:20 <|amethyst> vimpulse: as for the crawl side... it would be nice if we could go lower, but there are a lot of screens that would need to be fixed 10:25:31 <|amethyst> scrollable descriptions would help a little 10:25:48 <|amethyst> but many of the god info screens, for example, are right at 79x24 10:26:24 <|amethyst> (it wasn't so bad to reduce the max width as it would be to reduce the max height) 10:27:00 |amethyst: I can. 10:27:00 But I just realized that after the SIGWINCH, Crawl saves before it crashes. So it's actually fine that Crawl crashes: I can simply resume playing where I left off. I retract my bug complaint. :) 10:27:21 ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 968: screen write out of bounds: (-1,-1) into (80,23) 10:27:21 Writing crash info to /home/spiro/.crawl/morgue/crash-j-20130104-105941.txt 10:27:29 Why didn't Crawl tell me it saved the game? 10:28:03 :) 10:28:06 <|amethyst> hm 10:28:47 <|amethyst> yeah, it probably should let you know when a crash resulted in saving (because usually it doesn't) 10:30:42 -!- GON_again is now known as GenericOverusedN 10:31:32 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:32 <|amethyst> vimpulse: I'd say to file a bug about both things 10:32:56 <|amethyst> vimpulse: even if it's infeasable to make 80x23 work, it should be handled more gracefully than an assertion 10:34:45 |amethyst: why's a save plus a crash bad at all? 10:35:28 I'd say a crash is a bug; unexpected user input should not cause assertion failures 10:37:10 jilles: It is indeed ugly. But not ugly enough to make me want to file a bug. :) 10:38:27 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 10:40:37 <|amethyst> the best way to get it actually fixed might be to buy kilobyte a phone that can do at most 80x23 with a decent font... that's why we support 79 columns after all :) 10:41:07 resizing to smaller should change the whole screen to "MAKE ME BIGGER" 10:41:12 s/screen/window 10:41:32 "NOT THAT BIG AAAAUUUGGGHHH" 10:41:59 :D 10:42:30 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:43:25 <|amethyst> I tried running crawl on my phone once, but it turns out that landline phones generally have crappy processors 10:43:36 <|amethyst> (j/k, I didn't actually try) 10:43:37 heh 10:44:33 Just imagine: "Thank you for phoning Crawl. Use the numeric keys on your touch-tone keypad to move. For the menu, press the pound key." 10:46:10 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:46:19 "During an assertion failure, if Crawl saved the game, please tell the user that Crawl saved the game." 10:46:20 Does this go in Mantis or on the feature-requests wiki? 10:47:11 <|amethyst> Mantis, but phrase it like it's a bug and not a feature request 10:47:32 <|amethyst> "Assertion failures provide no feedback as to whether they saved the gamed." 10:47:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:41 <|amethyst> s/gamed/game/ 10:50:37 Done. . 10:50:43 Thank you. 10:50:49 I'm not filing a bug that there's an assertion failure at all in this case: it's ugly but I think not worth fixing. 10:50:54 Dear all: thank you for your feedback today. 10:50:54 Also, thank you, all, for making Crawl what it is. 10:51:24 (Probably the most-fun game I've ever played.) 10:51:54 <|amethyst> Thank you for the kind words :) 10:52:02 :) 10:52:43 Too-small terminal should be handled more gracefully (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6498) by neil 10:52:43 During an assertion failure, Crawl doesn't tell the user whether or not it saved the game (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6497) by jasonspiro 10:55:24 -!- vimpulse has left ##crawl-dev 10:59:10 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:02:27 http://pastebin.com/1iMh3bmK 11:02:49 I have no idea what to put into this vault, the only reason I came up with it was because I saw it in my dreams. 11:03:17 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:55 this really seems like a vault that could be more open instead of a series of rooms 11:16:10 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:17 -!- Ragdoll_ is now known as Ragdoll 11:23:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:23:32 okay i've got a patch for 6445; allies won't use torment in your sight without rTorment (i need to add kiku checks too); same with ozocubu's and rCold and OTR and rPois 11:24:29 <|amethyst> hm... not sure what the threshold should be for rC and ozocubu's 11:24:37 i think there's a problem with ally targeting in general though, in my tests my enslaved fannar won't get his foe member set to an actual foe unless i hit a monster in melee 11:25:00 so he'll stand there casting armour on himself while i hit ssss and an orc melees me on the other side 11:26:12 i do have a question about kiku though; in torment in effects.cc, the specifics for kiku's protection are written out (piety > 80, etc.); shouldn't that be pulled out into a new function? where would i put it? 11:26:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:27:08 <|amethyst> ugh, why is it 80? 11:27:13 sorry, i don't mean to try to make you write a patch via proxy, i just don't know this codebase at all 11:27:42 const bool kiku_shield_player = (you.relgion == GOD_KIKU ... && you.piety > 80 ...); 11:27:50 lines 215-219 11:28:04 <|amethyst> yeah, I see it, just wondering why it's 80 instead of 74 11:28:06 <|amethyst> err, 75 11:28:06 that's in torment_player, sorry 11:28:25 o, the number is wrong? thats interesting 11:29:04 <|amethyst> if it were 75, piety_breakpoint(2) would be the thing to use 11:29:24 kiku's rTorment is only partial anyway and increases in strength as piety increases 11:29:54 -!- ZombieChicken has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:30:18 it even always has a chance each torment of doing nothing 11:30:49 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:55 so I think it is probably a pretty bad idea to have worshipping kiku affect whether allies use torment in your sight 11:31:07 <|amethyst> elliptic: am I reading it correctly that you start getting protection at piety 80 but it isn't announced until piety 100? 11:32:57 |amethyst: yeah, seems bugged, that > 80 should just be changed to >= 100 11:33:07 <|amethyst> >= piety_breakpoint(3) :P 11:33:43 <|amethyst> also, the // 24% to 80% chance comment is wrong 11:33:47 I guess, yeah (I always get confused by why that is piety_breakpoint(3) and not piety_breakpoint(4)) 11:34:12 clearly crawl needs more torment on d:10 so that this bug could have been spotted 11:34:15 i'm also not entirely sure where to put this check, i've put it with the other special cases in handle_mon_cast, but if any monster had torment as a defensive spell (hspell_pass[2]) (Gloorx Vloq does) then it could be cast anyway 11:34:57 but then it's the same with the other special cases too 11:39:56 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:41:14 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:59 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:31 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:55:15 -!- rkd has quit [] 11:57:00 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: naptime] 12:03:25 Zin Overflow Altars (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6499) by helsbecter 12:08:35 helsbecter: the scriptorium doesn't make much sense without a minimum of one one scroll and it seems like multiple scrolls would better establish the flavour, so I reccomend an NSUBST instead of defining nothing placements in the ITEM area 12:09:36 also you should tag the academy, purify, and statuary vaults with transparent mini_float 12:09:42 they look good otherwise 12:10:11 what do those tags do? 12:10:21 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:22 mass confusion and tornado, would those be other spells to guard against as well? though i don't think anything else casts them right now 12:10:44 |amethyst: my phone can support terminals bigger than 79x25, it's just there is a massive jump readability to the next size 12:11:09 transparent tells the builder that a vault can be passed through insttead of being a dead-end so it doesn't produce weird extra hatches and level-cut-offs and what not 12:11:36 mini_float places random entrances along the edge of a vault and is good for letting the builder randomly connect more smoothly to the rest of the level 12:11:41 okay 12:11:47 I will keep that in mind for the future 12:11:49 the thing is we are (apparently) deliberatlly not protecting against your pet ice fiend blowing you away with bolt of cold, so it doesn't make nesseicarily sense to protect from everything here either 12:11:54 and change those vaults ofc 12:11:55 and since N900 has a great input keyboard for a phone (after some beating), I prefer to do at least some hacking in a comfortable position rather than sit at work sitting then at home sitting all the time 12:12:11 a good start, I'd say 12:12:37 I've been trying to come up with good nemelex altars but that shit is hard 12:12:54 zin was very easy 12:13:44 is there a monty hall vault yet? that might fit nemelex? 12:13:51 there is 12:13:55 well nvm then 12:13:57 it might be xom though 12:14:02 fits him too 12:14:34 but trying to think of an 11x11 nemelex altar that doesn't have lots of items and isn't too gimmicky 12:14:58 i like to think of nemelex and xom as friends; some vault should put their altars together over a deck (would never work ofc, then you have two altars + loot :S) 12:15:29 well, one of the existing altars is just a 1x1 altar + deck 12:16:24 CARD_XOM 12:20:19 it seems like enslaved fannar isn't choosing a foe unless he can path to it; is this intentional? a bug? am i likely to be misinterpreting somehow? tormentors, brimstone fiends, etc. all choose their foes just fine 12:21:02 !tell vimpulse echo "set-option -g status off" >>~/.tmux.conf 12:21:02 kilobyte: OK, I'll let vimpulse know. 12:21:47 -!- anidude has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:01 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:27 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:32 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:26:43 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:30:52 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:32:19 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:32 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:05 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:33 -!- fregt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:51:25 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:56:10 -!- Rofaner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:15 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]] 13:02:56 hangedman if I do NSUBST: ? = 2:d / *:. for that scriptorum vault and put in six ?'s, that will make two of them d's, which I have specified as any scroll, and four of them nothing, right? 13:03:08 correct 13:03:16 and if I have KPROP: ? = no_rtele_into, that will keep people from getting in there accidentally, right? 13:03:34 or does order matter...? 13:03:47 also correct and the order in this case doesn't matter 13:04:06 okay then I can correct this stuff and resubmit 13:04:12 thanks 13:13:30 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:16:54 -!- forgottenwizard is now known as ZombieChicken 13:32:04 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: To terminate connection from the network. To perform this action, type /quit] 13:36:11 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:47:13 -!- GenericOverusedN has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:32 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:48:43 -!- Unified has quit [Client Quit] 13:50:41 -!- elven_orc has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:06:35 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:31 -!- GON_again has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:39 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:17:53 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:18:41 -!- blabber_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:31:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:39:26 -!- swarmer has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:41:03 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:44:36 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 14:49:38 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:18 -!- nealwithit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 15:01:45 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:32 -!- vimpulse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:38 -!- Guest54494 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:13:07 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:13 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:14:33 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:21:10 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 15:23:03 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:34 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:33:42 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 15:44:57 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:58 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:56 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 15:53:29 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:53 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:10:17 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:11:50 kobold (07K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 16:11:50 %??kobold 16:11:58 hobgoblin (07g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 16:11:58 %??hobgoblin 16:15:56 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 322 | Sp: pain (d10), paralyse, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 16:15:56 %??grinder 16:21:17 -!- bza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25:49 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:21 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:29 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:50 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:10 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:37 -!- Dixbert_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:56 -!- sbanwart has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:48:41 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:48:46 -!- Mottie is now known as FaMott 16:57:13 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 16:57:20 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:08 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:07 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12:32 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:13:29 -!- Poncheis has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:24 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:19 -!- Garhauk_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:36 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:13 -!- eb has quit [] 17:28:14 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:35:31 -!- codile has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 18:00:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:02:43 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:18 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:11:30 -!- Lomky has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:12:52 ontoclasm: could you think of some makeshift tile for the tree form? Needs a weapon and shield attachments, roots are unmovable. 18:14:07 (the request goes to anyone here who can draw his way out of a wet paper bag, of course) 18:18:23 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:23:21 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:24:26 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:28:18 kilobyte: could make it some kinda overlay on the normal player tile 18:28:34 by the way, i rebased lorcs 18:29:08 cool, is your tree on your github? 18:29:21 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:04 Now that I think about it, why do so many spell functions have a 'fail' parameter that is never used? 18:30:52 DracoOmega: it _is_ used, there's a macro that delays miscasts until after the player chose a valid target 18:31:25 Oh, a macro 18:31:28 I see it now 18:31:50 My IDE was underlining it as unused and I never noticed in the function itself. Oops. 18:31:58 somewhat unclear, but it simplifies stuff quite a bit 18:32:53 that's why the IDE I use is jstar, because overenginered pieces of stuff like nvi can step in your way :p 18:33:37 (I also think this means that at least some of the other spells I've coded can never actually miscast >.>) 18:33:57 heh 18:35:01 I think I had assumed that miscast stuff was handled outside the spell functions themselves. I never really noticed. 18:35:36 I guess it's a common error among new spells 18:37:02 It probably is a sensible assumption to think that the spell effect is not called if the spell is miscast 18:37:24 And it's not like you'd immediately notice a lack of miscasts while testing it, either 18:37:31 But now that I think about it.... 18:38:36 I wonder if there's _some_ way to run automated tests here 18:39:13 (the spell would be rigged to always fail, the problem is in letting the script choose a legitimate target) 18:39:18 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:41:23 Might be tricky given the varying definitions of valid 18:41:40 yeah 18:42:17 most are a variant of "a monster at distance X with alignment Y" 18:42:27 Most, yes 18:44:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:47:07 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:59:25 Are some of the range checks in some of these spells redundant, I wonder? Like, doesn't the present targeting interface make it impossible to select a target outside of your range even before the individual spell code would get a chance to check this? 19:06:23 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 19:07:12 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:18 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:10 -!- flyingpants has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:16:09 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 19:20:59 kilobyte: yes, it's as a new branch (lava_orc_rebased or something) 19:21:02 it's on gitorious too 19:25:18 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:01 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:33:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:33:23 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:55 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:21 -!- Dixbert_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:34 -!- bza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:43:50 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:58 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 19:51:15 -!- stillcen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:53 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:34 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:11 -!- Pikkle has quit [Client Quit] 19:59:04 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:14 Silver Rune Replication (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6500) by ACG 20:04:10 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04:39 wut? 20:06:19 ah, an ancient version 20:06:26 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:06:34 * kilobyte misread the tag. 20:06:48 -!- Findor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:09:57 -!- Fear has quit [Client Quit] 20:10:41 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:12:23 -!- johnstein has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 20:12:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:35 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:02 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:16:08 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 20:18:06 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:19:31 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:05 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:23 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:46 -!- somethingGreen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:30:56 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:19 -!- cesium has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:43:58 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:49:00 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:13 !tell ontoclasm Thanks for the maelstrom tile 20:49:13 bh: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1548-g040c4d5: Eliminate a pointless loop. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 15-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=040c4d592526 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1549-g0adc599: Wisp form. 10(3 days ago, 11 files, 98+ 32-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0adc599d10ec 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1550-gd7a1e56: Photosynthesis and breatharianism. 10(3 days ago, 6 files, 37+ 20-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7a1e56c7da4 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1551-gc5759fa: Stop forms with a drinking problem. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5759fa03ab8 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1552-gfba7180: Trees, wisps and jellies have no means of talking to allies (or enemies). 10(2 days ago, 5 files, 28+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fba7180a3eec 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1553-g1b9c764: Cut abuse of wand_type as a variable name; give it that type. 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b9c764b5e16 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1554-g043ffe1: Split Malmutate out of Polymorph. 10(22 hours ago, 13 files, 108+ 19-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=043ffe16ca44 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1555-g9850c71: Allow self-targetting polymorph. 10(16 hours ago, 39 files, 52+ 68-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9850c7148df4 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1556-gb8584e2: Let squealers oink half the time. 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8584e2ffd11 20:54:01 03kilobyte 07[bad_forms] * 0.12-a0-1557-g0de22ec: Body part names for new forms. 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0de22ec85488 20:54:01 ... and 3 more commits 20:54:22 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 20:57:50 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 21:00:42 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:58 kilobyte: is bad_forms a replacement for poly other mutating the player? 21:03:07 that's the plan, yeah 21:03:31 the question is, which monsters should get polymorph instead of malmutate 21:04:05 seems like there should be two versions of poly other for monsters: 21:04:11 polyother (good) and polyother (bad) 21:04:19 of course, there's room for further abuse, both for players and us 21:04:32 bh: for allies? 21:04:38 kilobyte: yep 21:04:46 jellyform portal vault 21:04:51 slime tube 21:05:47 for jelly form, I have eating items mostly coded, but I'm currently swaying towards axing the form 21:06:08 but I can't think of a good treeform portal vault or wispform portal vault 21:06:33 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:06:36 ??frederick 21:06:37 frederick[1/1]: A svelte fighter-mage, wearing a gold-rimmed monocle. SPELLS INCLUDE: mystic blast, bolt of cold, invis, iron shot. Formerly known as Adolf. 21:06:42 @??frederick 21:06:43 Frederick (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 159 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 5373 | Sp: mystic blast (3d25), b.cold (3d30), invisibility, iron shot (3d36) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 21:06:47 with Eronarn's idea of replacing nutrition with healing, you'd stay on a pile of items and be invulnerable 21:07:00 kilobyte: can we make Frederick sometimes spawn in the abyss? :) 21:07:27 like monster jellies, kind of (although they are too weak to survive a good hit even when full) 21:07:27 I could see Boris doing it rarely but it'd probably just leave him stuck in there 21:08:07 bh: ie, making Adolf pre-banished? 21:08:25 liches are obviously hiding their phylacteries deep in the ground of the abyss anyway right 21:08:41 kilobyte: with a unique named Frederick, there's no room for Nietzsche 21:08:47 Xykon's secret fortress 21:09:03 oy vey 21:16:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 21:31:55 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:32:27 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:13 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:49:52 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:49:57 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 21:50:28 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:50:39 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest62827 21:51:38 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:59:13 -!- sbluen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:59:41 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:46 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:05:44 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:11 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1587-g7a77bec 22:07:03 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:08:46 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:24 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:34 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:15:43 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:59 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:06 terrible ideas: a god worse than GOD_XOM 22:20:58 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:21:06 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:37 So.... all of them? :P 22:23:43 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:19 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:28 kilobyte: sure, i can do a tree form 22:28:28 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:28:33 !messages 22:28:33 (1/1) bh said (1h 39m 19s ago): Thanks for the maelstrom tile 22:28:43 what's it for? 22:30:54 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:47 -!- helsbecter1 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:26 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:24 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35:21 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:44 -!- helsbecter has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:39 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:24 -!- Guest62827 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:14 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:50:49 Apparently part of the makefile fails when it's run inside a path containing spaces, at least on windows 22:51:32 WINDRES icon.o 22:58:40 -!- Dunwich has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:00:57 -!- eb has quit [] 23:01:27 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:34 -!- ophanim has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:42 -!- y2s82 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:38 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:22 -!- andrewhl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:22:23 -!- Guest16845 is now known as myp 23:23:30 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:26:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 23:29:09 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:31:57 kilobyte: i highly doubt that anyone will stand on a pile of valuable items in a non-casting form to heal themselves to stay alive for ??? 23:32:01 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:33:16 also, important to have jelly form for NPC slimify 23:33:27 give dissolution slimify branded attacks 23:33:58 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 23:34:04 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:38:44 -!- Xelf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:39:08 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:41:37 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 23:44:07 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:44:30 -!- chunk has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:45:42 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1588-gd11e324: Fix Maelstrom rotation 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d11e3248a35d 23:47:26 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:52:34 Eronarn: can you think of what would make a god really bad? 23:53:27 re god worse than GOD_XOM: it's called chei 23:53:30 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:02 elliott: *worse* than chei 23:54:11 what are you going for 23:54:14 and why 23:54:27 what is this dr nerf 23:54:42 I demand dr gdr as compensation 23:55:44 monqy: a god so terrible that the only reason to take it would be to get the title and bragging rights 23:56:10 GOD_NO_GOD 23:56:21 sounds like chei still :P 23:57:13 derp 23:57:32 are you going for fun to play or just plain annoying 23:57:43 fun as in challenging as in fun 23:57:49 monqy: fun to lose fun 23:57:55 ? 23:58:13 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:59:07 bh: i don't understand the point... you can come up with arbitrary many things that make a god really bad 23:59:28 most people wouldn't consider a god that makes you lose fun, even if it does fun things to make you lose