00:00:27 <Sizzell> Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11.1-31-g54feea3
00:01:15 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1580-gd6db305 (34)
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00:13:57 <simmarine> hmm perhaps it shouldnt say " You feel extremely strange.
00:13:58 <simmarine> " if you dont actually get any muts from quaffing a potion of mut
00:15:39 <ussdefiant> "....but the feeling passes."
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00:27:57 <bh> simmarine: sounds good to me. code it up :)
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01:38:40 <SamB_> that sounds nethackish ...
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01:44:02 <jbenedetto> SamB_: ...but the feeling passes.
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04:31:52 <faze> semi-crawl (not really) related question: is this bash one-liner robust enough for a cronjob to keep my irc bot running "[[ -z $(pgrep -fl daemon) ]] && /path/to/daemon"
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04:33:32 <faze> i should really just add a generic event timer command to henzell, but in the meantime..
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05:00:06 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1580-gd6db305
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09:10:16 <blackcustard> hey guys, i've been investigating #6445 "allies can torment you". it turns out they can also ozocubu's refrigerate you. the only thing that ever prevents this is a check around line 2035 in handle_mon_cast that makes sure the caster isn't aligned with its foe. if the foe is you an allied monster won't use either spell, but if the foe gets set to a monster it will happly use them. i think an appropriate way to fix this would be anothe
09:23:19 <alefury> your messages got cut off at "i think an appropriate way to fix this would be another"
09:24:30 <blackcustard> check early on in handle_mon_cast? in the spell picking looop
09:24:54 <blackcustard> i need to stop typing such long messages, or else configure irssi to warn me or something
09:25:44 <blackcustard> (i'm still trying to figure out whether or not this behavior is new, and where it came from)
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09:34:39 <Eronarn> lava orcs down to ~30 commits
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09:37:13 <bh> %git
09:39:39 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic * 0.12-a0-1580-gd6db305: Fix notes for escaping Pan/Abyss (Zannick). 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6db305e1b10
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11:02:55 <Zannick> did %git really cause chei to spit that to both channels?
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11:03:37 <Zannick> oh, no, someone else hit %git in the other channel, too
11:03:39 <Zannick> nvm
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14:56:35 <DracoOmega> Am I correct in thinking that beams that are AUTOMATIC_HIT still continue to trace all the way out to their desired target, even if it's known that it is possible to reach it due to obstacles?
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15:02:32 <DracoOmega> Oops. 'impossible to reach', rather
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15:17:21 <|amethyst> DracoOmega:  hm... apparently yes, if the obstacle is a monster
15:17:48 <DracoOmega> That sort of seems like it shouldn't be the case
15:19:35 <|amethyst> DracoOmega:  though it's a bit weird
15:20:24 <DracoOmega> Howso?
15:20:38 <|amethyst> DracoOmega:  @.g.K.g  with a friendly kobold, targetting the furthest goblin: the tracer shows a beam all the way to the furthest goblin, but there is no warning about hitting an ally
15:20:43 <|amethyst> oh
15:20:51 <|amethyst> I may be wrong, the tracer might not go all the way
15:21:05 <|amethyst> I think magic dart doesn't use the new targetter
15:21:16 <|amethyst> so the tracer might not go that far
15:21:17 <DracoOmega> I still think that path_taken does, though. Or there's an odd bug somewhere else in my code
15:21:28 <DracoOmega> And it's path_taken the same thing followed by the tracer?
15:21:38 <DracoOmega> isn't*
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15:23:58 <|amethyst> hrm... not sure.  Last time I dealt with beam/tracer code I was tracing it with a debugger, but I don't remember all the details
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15:24:03 <elliott> tracing the tracers
15:25:12 <DracoOmega> I might take a closer look later, but my brain is kind of worn out on the topic now. I've been fiddling in vain on this new spell's targetting for too many hours now.
15:26:30 <DracoOmega> But it seems to consider things unobstructed when they actually are, and while I can write a workaround for my specific case, if it's because the tracer is a little wonky regarding AUTOMATIC_HIT, I sort of feel that maybe it would be better if I tweaked that end instead of a case-specific workaround
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15:39:24 <DracoOmega> / Shooting through clouds affects accuracy.
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15:39:28 <DracoOmega> I //*
15:39:31 <DracoOmega> Oops
15:39:43 <DracoOmega> Though I wonder if anyone is even aware of this? (Not that it matters much)
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15:41:40 <Lightli> http://pastebin.com/rZPdi7u9
15:41:44 <Lightli> Please critcize
15:41:48 <Lightli> *criticize
15:42:07 <|amethyst> Lightli:  you're ugly and a bad person
15:42:13 <|amethyst> oh, you mean the vault
15:42:22 <Lightli> Yeah
15:42:34 <Lightli> (also I'm a good person and not ugly, if not beautiful)
15:42:48 <Lightli> I am bad at crawl though
15:43:03 <helsbecter> it's p. big for what it is
15:43:25 <|amethyst> "too deep"... shouldn't you have some cyan walls? :)
15:43:37 <|amethyst> (yes, I know cyan is a bad colour for walls what with glass and all)
15:44:03 <ChrisOelmueller> Lightli: pastebin.com is ugly and a bad pastebin
15:44:32 <Lightli> Stop criticizing me for reasons not related to the vault
15:44:41 <ChrisOelmueller> i cannot see your vault because of this.
15:44:48 <|amethyst> (I don't really think you're ugly or a bad person)
15:44:59 <Lightli> ok
15:44:59 <Zannick> AHA
15:45:11 <Zannick> by which i mean cA;H;Ac
15:46:37 <Zannick> i could see this as a Dwarf vault
15:46:39 <|amethyst> I think it's very flavourful; can't comment on balance because I'm a bad player
15:46:44 <Zannick> if Dwarf ever gets off the ground
15:47:03 <helsbecter> what's better to use than pastebin
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15:47:41 <Zannick> i think d:17 is a little early for a balrug, sun demons, and hell entrance
15:47:45 <|amethyst> Henzell uses paste.ubuntu.com
15:47:56 <Zannick> but i'm not sure what the over/under is for that kind of stuff
15:48:04 <helsbecter> ok
15:48:19 <DracoOmega> Well, it's not too early for a hell entrance or sun demon, certainly. They can already show up earlier than that
15:49:24 <|amethyst> in a branch ending that's easy to avoid
15:49:51 <DracoOmega> That's not the only place
15:50:14 <DracoOmega> Besides, a sun demon is really not that scary at all by D:17
15:50:29 <helsbecter> never really been scared of a sun demon no matter where I saw it
15:50:30 <Zannick> the balrug, though
15:50:40 <Cheibriados> balrug (052) | Spd: 11 | HD: 14 | HP: 55-95 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 2504(fire:14-27) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05hellfire, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 2378 | Sp: b.fire (3d23), fireball (3d23), sticky flame range (3d6), smiting (7-17) | Sz: Large | Int: high.

15:50:40 <Zannick> %?? balrug
15:50:49 <|amethyst> maybe a stop_explore statue or a runed door (neither really makes sense flavour-wise but AFAIK you can't put stop_explore on other features)
15:50:57 <helsbecter> there is the dwarf corpse
15:51:03 <DracoOmega> I think the balrug is probably also fine, personally. I mean, I've run into golden dragons and such by that point, rarely
15:51:30 <DracoOmega> Which are probably more dangerous
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15:52:09 <elliott> a single balrug doesn't seem like a problem
15:52:25 <helsbecter> is there a way to put a status on a square? Like, I wanted to make a temple of kiku that's silenced but using a silent spectre in a wall is clunky
15:52:30 <helsbecter> and huge
15:52:41 <helsbecter> or have a spell cast on a point
15:52:56 <DracoOmega> I don't think so
15:53:13 <DracoOmega> Also, I'm pretty sure you can't even use an altar while silenced
15:53:18 <DracoOmega> So it would be a rather non-functional temple
15:54:41 <|amethyst> silence seems a little out-of-place for a magic god, anyway
15:54:48 <|amethyst> Yred maybe
15:55:00 <helsbecter> for whoever, I had a few ideas but idk if it was possible
15:55:31 <DracoOmega> Well, you can't use even Trog invocations while silenced
15:55:48 <ChrisOelmueller> something like a statue with silence aura would be a more appropriate use case i guess but it shouldn't cover the altar at the very least
15:55:59 <|amethyst> I also don't think so; silenced() only checks the agrid, and _update_agrid() only checks actors for silence_radius2()
15:56:01 <ChrisOelmueller> and not use the spectre radius either
15:56:02 <Zannick> you can't point and order your allies to attack that guy instead of that one
15:56:36 <helsbecter> so it wouldn't be possible to put it on a statue?
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15:57:50 <|amethyst> yeah, you could give a statue monster perm_ench:silence but it's still a monster and can be destroyed
15:58:30 <helsbecter> could I dictate the radius?
15:58:31 <|amethyst> err, perm_ench:silenced
15:58:40 <|amethyst> no, but it does have less radius than a spectre
15:58:53 <helsbecter> okay
16:00:01 <|amethyst> you can give it ench:silenced with a duration but then it expires (and probably before you reach it)
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16:01:16 <ChrisOelmueller> do statue monsters still impair autoexplore?
16:01:24 <ChrisOelmueller> remember a recent vault removal at least
16:01:34 <|amethyst> this isn't to say you can't do it in C++ by changing silence_radius2... perm_ench has an optional :degree flag (a number), but silence_radius2 currently only cares about the duration, not the degree
16:02:31 <ChrisOelmueller> silence duration for perm_ench
16:02:34 <ChrisOelmueller> uh
16:02:44 <ChrisOelmueller> what would possibly want to use that over radius? :o
16:02:44 <|amethyst> yeah, if the statue has no ranged attack, most of the same objections that led to the removal of the snail statue temple apply
16:03:32 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller:  I'm saying you'd have to change the code to treat "degree" as a maximum radius
16:04:16 <ChrisOelmueller> how hard would it be to teach autoexplore about such statues?
16:04:20 <ChrisOelmueller> yeah i got that :)
16:04:47 <|amethyst> free XP is the bigger problem I think
16:05:16 <|amethyst> silence is probably worth stopping autoexplore anyway
16:05:43 <|amethyst> free XP, and the fact that you have to beat up the statue to be able to worship
16:06:28 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller:  "such statues" being ones without an attack?
16:06:37 <Zannick> i would figure it'd be better to allow praying at altars in silence
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16:06:58 <|amethyst> Zannick:  you can't abandon your god in silence either
16:07:03 <Zannick> incidentally, how does god speech interact with silenced players?
16:07:17 <|amethyst> you can hear them just fine
16:07:18 <Zannick> |amethyst: interesting
16:07:25 <Eronarn> !tell bh Rebased lava orcs are up at lava_orc_rebased on my github/gitorious; they're more like 30 commits now (can rebase further if needed but it was getting time-consuming)
16:07:25 <Henzell> Eronarn: OK, I'll let bh know.
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16:09:24 <|amethyst> FAKE GOD MONSTER
16:09:26 <|amethyst> FR:
16:10:04 <Zannick> fr: bureaucrat god
16:10:04 <ChrisOelmueller> |amethyst: immobile stuff without attacks, yes
16:10:17 <Zannick> Mountain of Paperwork invocation
16:10:53 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: kind of difficult without a bunch of special casing... after all, oklobs are immobile and have neither attacks nor spells
16:11:04 <|amethyst> (acid spit is a special ability)
16:11:29 <ChrisOelmueller> in a perfect world it would be an attack though :/
16:11:58 <ChrisOelmueller> but yes that answers my question
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16:12:27 <Cheibriados> oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 560 | Sp: acid splash (3d7+7d5) | Sz: small | Int: plant.

16:12:27 <ChrisOelmueller> %??oklob plant
16:12:46 <ChrisOelmueller> if `monster` learned about it as spell perhaps it is feasible
16:12:55 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller:  that is "a bunch of special casing" :)
16:13:27 <ChrisOelmueller> wouldn't we all be glad to have it in crawl instead, then :p
16:13:52 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller:  let me give you some example code from monster:
16:13:56 <|amethyst> if (you.hp == PLAYER_MAXHP / 2 + 1)
16:13:56 <|amethyst> beam.name = "symbol of torment";
16:15:28 <Vizer> did dieselrobin combos get assigned
16:15:52 <|amethyst> !seen faze
16:15:53 <Henzell> I last saw faze at Thu Jan  3 22:10:02 2013 UTC (5m 50s ago) saying ok, be back soon on ##crawl.
16:16:25 <|amethyst> ??dieselrobin[1]
16:16:25 <Henzell> dieselrobin[1/5]: Combo assignment drawings will be held at 23:00 UTC, 3rd Jan 2013. Also, if you are interested in writing a real scoring formula, /q faze what are the scoring parameters you have in mind?
16:16:49 <Lightli> !seen Grunt
16:16:49 <Henzell> I last saw Grunt at Sun Dec  9 01:16:55 2012 UTC (3w 4d 20h 59m 54s ago) joining the channel.
16:16:51 <|amethyst> (also, ##crawl is more appropriate for dieselrobin stuff)
16:17:03 <Lightli> It's like he's dropped off the face of the Earth
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16:18:13 <helsbecter> now, the code to use is perm_ench:silenced so
16:18:16 <Vizer> hahaha oops i forgot i was in crawl-dev and not in ##crawl
16:18:29 <helsbecter> is there a list of perm_ench things I canf ind
16:18:38 <helsbecter> since it's not the name of the spell
16:19:29 <|amethyst> Lightli:  last I heard from him (approximately then) he was without reliable access to a computer, just an old phone
16:19:35 <helsbecter> and in-game it's just sil
16:19:38 <Lightli> Oh
16:21:01 <ChrisOelmueller> helsbecter: mon-ench.cc i guess
16:21:37 <helsbecter> I will check it out
16:21:40 <helsbecter> idk my way around the code too well
16:24:54 <Lightli> http://pastebin.com/jXdxkkqz
16:25:01 <Lightli> I need a better name for it
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16:26:04 <|amethyst> helsbecter:  check enchant_names in the file ChrisOelmueller pointed out
16:26:55 * Grunt annoys |amethyst.
16:26:59 <helsbecter> yeah this is interesting
16:27:02 <|amethyst> Grunt!!!
16:27:28 <Grunt> I'm alive; just busy with life. :|
16:27:33 <ChrisOelmueller> see, summoning is overpowered
16:27:35 <ChrisOelmueller> hey Grunt :)
16:28:52 <Grunt> (And typing from a newer phone, but only because I'm not at home right now.)
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16:33:40 <Lightli> Wait,
16:33:49 <Lightli> I thought you were either dead or had become a hermit
16:37:09 <Grunt> The latter's probably more accurate. >_>
16:37:22 <Grunt> (And I'm back home now, in front of a reasonably working computer.)
16:37:56 <Grunt> I just ... got busy, and never remembered to check back in here.
16:38:10 <|amethyst> Grunt:  DracoOmega was just digging through beam/tracer code
16:38:32 <|amethyst> Grunt:  no problem; didn't mean to make you feel guilty or anything
16:38:35 <Lightli> Oh
16:38:45 <Lightli> Horray, my random question brought Grunt back from the dead!
16:38:57 <Grunt> You attempt to give life to the dead... The dead are walking!
16:39:05 <|amethyst> The dead are typing!
16:39:14 <Zannick> The dead are slithering!
16:39:38 <Lightli> The dead are walking, flying, slithering, leaping, and swimming!
16:39:42 <Lightli> Did I miss any?
16:40:00 <Grunt> If you get that far, it would be something like "The dead have arisen!"
16:40:02 <Grunt> :b
16:40:25 <Zannick> The dead are rebasing!
16:40:54 <Zannick> The dead are rebuilding with FULLDEBUG!
16:40:54 <ChrisOelmueller> Lightli: it's "hopping"
16:41:13 <Lightli> Oh, but thanks
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17:36:24 <Cheibriados> Amulet of controlled flight listed in unrecognized items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6492) by Kalma
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19:37:35 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1581-gaba500b: Do not list amulet of cFly in the \ screen (#6492). 10(48 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aba500b9fab3
19:37:35 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1582-g889d248: Give TRJ spawns the same attitude as TRJ. 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=889d24827047
19:37:36 <Cheibriados> Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.11
19:39:01 <elliott> |amethyst: rip that jiyva secret tech :(
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19:42:42 <ChrisOelmueller> rip :(
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19:53:00 <HangedMan> can we change the stuff in http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt;#l167 to say "don't use non-branch-constrained DEPTH basically ever when you have to consult this resource"
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20:08:09 <helsbecter> coming up with ideas for ashenzari altars is hard
20:13:00 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1583-g15c1d72: Allow TRJ to spawn jellies on both arena teams. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15c1d7297dfc
20:13:00 <Cheibriados> Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.11
20:13:32 <helsbecter> ash probably likes what, wights, mummies
20:14:17 <elliptic> nah
20:14:20 <|amethyst> great orb of eyes name:observer n_rpl
20:14:37 <elliptic> ash protects worshippers from mummy item cursing
20:14:50 <elliptic> which doesn't sound much like ash likes mummies
20:14:56 <helsbecter> I guess not.
20:15:10 <elliptic> ash probably likes glass
20:15:33 <helsbecter> is a wight too strong for a vault that can pop on d:2?
20:15:38 <elliptic> definitely
20:15:45 <elliptic> also I'm not sure what ash has to do with wights?
20:15:50 <helsbecter> idk they have cursed stuff
20:15:54 <elliptic> I guess wights have cursed equipment more often, yes
20:15:55 <helsbecter> and use it
20:16:04 <elliptic> but the flavour seems wrong to me
20:17:26 <helsbecter> I made a neat looking one with an ophan in it that casts halo out like a searchlight but idk if that is good. The effect works well but there's already a bunch of vaults with holy stuff penned up
20:17:37 <|amethyst> any thoughts on #6488 (corruption giving wretched stars + abyssal zymes is annoying)?
20:18:01 <DracoOmega> I sort of agree, actually
20:18:04 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1584-g176c441: Advise against using plain DEPTH: M-N (HangedMan). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=176c44117680
20:18:08 <helsbecter> maybe lugonu needs to grant piety based protection?
20:18:08 <DracoOmega> Is it a big problem if corruption simply doesn't give those?
20:18:16 <helsbecter> or something
20:18:30 <elliptic> it's better if corruption produces monsters that actually do bad things to monsters
20:18:40 <|amethyst> wretched stars do
20:18:47 <DracoOmega> Not especially bad, though
20:18:54 <DracoOmega> More like 'technically' bad
20:19:07 <DracoOmega> Well, I suppose they can still shoot them?
20:19:34 <DracoOmega> Either way, it does feel kind of undesireable to make corruption fairly likely to give you temp mutations
20:19:53 <elliott> if wretched stars stop being in corruption they can stop doing silly things to monsters :P
20:19:57 <elliptic> possibly the correct change is to monster AI, to make neutral monsters not use line-of-sight effects like this
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20:21:18 <DracoOmega> elliott: Well, you know my stance on part of that already....
20:21:18 <elliptic> since neutrals aren't really supposed to be like "KILL THEM ALL" anyway
20:21:43 <elliott> DracoOmega: I forgot it actually!
20:22:23 <DracoOmega> Well, I several times lobbied that it should not debuff common abyss creatures (ie: all the demons)
20:22:42 <DracoOmega> Since it seems a little silly for it to weaken its own allies when it's practically a 'support' creature in the first place
20:23:19 <elliptic> yes
20:23:37 <elliptic> it makes sense to me that creatures living in the abyss would have resistance to abyssal effects
20:23:42 <DracoOmega> Yeah
20:23:44 <DracoOmega> I'm fine with it doing this to living creatures
20:23:53 <DracoOmega> If it helps you against that deep dwarf pack then... um... >.>
20:24:14 <|amethyst> and from there it's not a long leap to say that Lucy worshippers with sufficient piety are immune
20:24:19 <HangedMan> pff, it won't effect the unborn, clearly no help
20:25:00 <DracoOmega> Yeah, Lugonu offering piety-based protection from it might be okay, too
20:25:25 <elliptic> that sounds fine too, yeah
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20:26:09 <|amethyst> oh, I guess more abyssals should be added to that list
20:26:16 <|amethyst> ?
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20:26:32 <DracoOmega> Which list? Of stuff granted protection against?
20:26:44 <|amethyst> things unaffected by wretched star
20:26:49 <DracoOmega> Oh
20:27:00 <DracoOmega> Well, I think all the nonliving stuff is already unaffected
20:27:09 <DracoOmega> And kilobyte specifically made abominations and ugly things immune
20:28:02 <DracoOmega> I guess that leaves thrashing horrors? (Which probably shouldn't be natural living in the first place, of course....)
20:28:11 <HangedMan> aren't aboms already immune due to undead part
20:28:13 <HangedMan> orrrrrr
20:28:18 <|amethyst> starspawn
20:28:23 <DracoOmega> Maybe? But I think they were still special-cased?
20:28:35 <DracoOmega> Starspawn are currently demons, but that was because I mistakenly thought eldritch tentacles also were
20:29:02 <|amethyst> maybe it can wait for MH_ELDRITCH
20:29:15 <DracoOmega> Well, a bunch of abyss-natives are demons anyway
20:29:22 <DracoOmega> So I think it makes sense to just not affect demons
20:29:25 <|amethyst> they're not exactly natives
20:29:33 <|amethyst> executioners for example
20:29:44 <|amethyst> and other 12345
20:29:47 <helsbecter> potions of water don't exist anymore, do they
20:29:47 <DracoOmega> Well, a large number of the very common spawns are demons
20:30:03 <DracoOmega> Maybe they weren't born of the abyss, but I don't think they just got banished there like the other oddities
20:30:22 <DracoOmega> And you could just say that demons have odd physiology in this regard. I'd personally rather it not affect demons either.
20:30:48 <elliptic> while we are at it, can we make demons unpolymorphable please :P
20:31:16 <|amethyst> grinder the sun demon is sad :(
20:31:33 <|amethyst> sad at elliptic's suggestion that is
20:31:44 <elliptic> usually he just turns into a 5 and dies easily
20:31:53 <elliptic> since for some reason he also loses his spellset
20:33:04 <DracoOmega> I suppose I have no strong feelings on that one, but even if they can be poly'd doesn't mean they can be deformed in that manner - they're sort of seperate things
20:33:21 <elliptic> sure
20:33:59 <DracoOmega> (I do agree that stuff like Grinder the Executioner probably should not happen though, hilarious though it may be :P)
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20:36:21 <elliott> well it doesn't happen now apparently
20:36:23 <elliott> that got ruined
20:36:29 <elliott> demon poly "not even funny"
20:36:56 <DracoOmega> Okay, 'Grinder the hellephant', then?
20:36:57 <elliptic> I tested this a bit and did get Grinder the rotting devil
20:37:29 <elliptic> and nothing has changed in the code since Grinder the sun demon appeared in an actual game I think
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21:04:35 <st_> I do have to wonder if it's a good idea to have such a strong elemental bias to fairly early portals
21:06:34 <HangedMan> I thought the elemental bias was a combination of the main elemental bias places and examples being very far from earlygame (hells, most elementally-themed vaults, zot elec golems/orbs of fire) and that elemental themes are so easy to theoretically work with
21:07:37 <HangedMan> on the other hand low variety and sameyness and anticipating in advance with rings/wands/whatever
21:07:55 <HangedMan> of course one could ask what kind of first early portal vault is a sewer anyway
21:07:57 <DracoOmega> I don't see that ice caves are more samey than most other portal vaults
21:08:36 <HangedMan> well, yes, for its limits ice caves are one of the better portal vaults
21:08:37 <st_> true, the implications of who's able to do it and the rewards is what bothers me, with regards to volcanoes
21:08:47 <st_> but it could be fixed a little by removing the armour loot
21:09:00 <st_> so that you don't gain rF from it
21:09:11 <DracoOmega> But that is one of the things I like about those
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21:09:40 <HangedMan> I would not mind the aux slots of foo resistance dying out
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21:09:56 <st_> yes I don't like those either
21:09:57 <DracoOmega> Awww...
21:10:02 <HangedMan> since body armour gets to be the most interesting of the armour choices
21:10:12 <DracoOmega> I ESPECIALLY like those >.>;
21:10:22 <DracoOmega> Because they feel rare and special there
21:10:44 <HangedMan> maybe if there were actual choices amongst the non-hat aux egos
21:11:29 <DracoOmega> It certainly would not be a bad thing if more appealing options were added there, I think
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21:12:46 <bh> hai
21:12:46 <Henzell> bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
21:12:50 <st_> I'm coming down on not having themed loot in large part for these
21:13:37 <HangedMan> volcano purposefully-junk loot can certainly be thrown into a volcano
21:13:57 <|amethyst> greensnark:   http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/  the four patches starting with "henzell-"
21:14:14 <Cheibriados> firespitter statue (158) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, !sil, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 602 | Sp: throw flame (3d7), sticky flame range (3d4), b.magma (3d16), fireball (3d16) | Sz: Large | Int: high.

21:14:14 <HangedMan> %??firespitter statue
21:14:19 <HangedMan> keeping these?
21:14:38 <|amethyst> greensnark:  I see you already made some abyss-related changes, so the last one might conflict
21:14:47 <greensnark> No worries
21:14:57 <st_> not sure, at the moment I'm just trying out ideas of my own
21:15:02 <HangedMan> mm
21:15:20 <st_> I don't much like the building stuff so
21:15:23 <bh> |amethyst: hm?
21:15:31 <greensnark> |amethyst: 500 on http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/henzell-0002-Further-fix-redirect-links-in-learndb-html.pl.patch
21:15:50 <|amethyst> greensnark:  stupid webserver
21:15:53 <|amethyst> thinks it's in polish
21:15:58 <greensnark> Haha
21:16:13 <bh> |amethyst: but Polish isn't a place!
21:16:27 <|amethyst> greensnark:  renamed
21:16:45 <st_> &# is crashing for me, saying stuff about skill queues
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21:18:39 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1585-g3cb3d9b: Display proper Invo title in high score menu (#6489). 10(87 seconds ago, 5 files, 24+ 20-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cb3d9b6fae3
21:19:10 * bh grumbles about git.develz doing the wrong thing
21:21:53 <|amethyst> I can try switching chei back to using develz as its repo
21:22:24 <|amethyst> or maybe I should just put Chei's copy of crawl on an s-z.org gitweb
21:22:32 <bh> !lm * place=abyss:*
21:22:33 <Sequell> 108. [2013-01-04 01:52:34] buki the Eclecticist (L19 DECj) escaped from the Abyss!
21:22:48 <|amethyst> develz isn't doing anything wrong, it's just that Chei updates more frequently
21:23:37 <|amethyst> I guess I could go back to linking to gitorious, except that half the time "this object is too large to be displayed"
21:23:43 <Cheibriados> 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1586-g028c60f: Remove list of auxiliary attacks from the Unarmed Combat skill description (Nivim). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 56-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=028c60f3f733
21:24:02 <greensnark> |amethyst: applied, thanks
21:24:09 <DracoOmega> Well, git.develz.org seems to be way behind at the moment
21:24:25 <|amethyst> again?
21:24:32 <DracoOmega> Last commit is from 46 hours ago
21:24:48 <|amethyst> Napkin:  did the git.develz.org cronjob get stuck again?
21:25:59 <|amethyst> greensnark:  thanks
21:26:16 <|amethyst> greensnark:  I'll resync henzell from your repo at some point
21:26:38 <greensnark> |amethyst: No hurry, I don't really make Henzell-specific changes any more :)
21:26:51 <greensnark> So you wouldn't get anything much out of resyncing
21:26:54 <|amethyst> yeah, I noticed all your commits were to Sequell :)
21:27:05 <greensnark> Oh, you'd inherit the ontoclasm/ophanim announcement thing
21:27:09 <greensnark> Maybe I should remove that
21:27:26 <|amethyst> oh, that wasn't a bug?
21:27:34 <greensnark> Nope :P
21:28:03 <greensnark> Wensley gave me ideas!
21:28:09 <|amethyst> I saw one such message and thought that I had served up a half-written log line or something
21:30:09 <elliott> greensnark: if you remove that i'll be sad
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21:35:47 <|amethyst> greensnark:  which is the relevant commit, anyway?
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21:38:53 <Cheibriados> Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.11
21:43:08 <HangedMan> anybody want to wonder why my portal vault isn't placing runed doors aside from some connectivity thing maybe
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21:44:25 <elliott> well they don't work in sprint either iirc?
21:44:52 <DracoOmega> I do remember something like that coming up before
21:44:57 <DracoOmega> I think st_ complained about it?
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21:45:17 <DracoOmega> I don't recall that the cause was ever found?
21:45:29 <HangedMan> very positive sounding responses
21:45:35 <st_> I don't think anyone has looked
21:46:00 <|amethyst> hm... I can wizmode-place a runed door
21:47:50 <elliott> probably related to the bug where you can't colour doors in sprint or portal vaults now?
21:48:43 <|amethyst> are either of those on Mantis?
21:48:57 <st_> yes
21:49:04 <elliott> both
21:49:07 <elliott> in the same bug report :P
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21:52:48 <|amethyst> oh, I see it now, #6341
21:59:15 <|amethyst> tempted to assign it to kilobyte :)
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22:59:42 <Cheibriados> wielding cursed weapon prevents skill training (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6493) by rchandra
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23:37:15 <bh> I miss anything?
23:37:57 <ontoclasm> bh: is there anything that needs tiles for inception?
23:38:19 <bh> ontoclasm: hrm. I don't know. We mostly made monsters that had tiles
23:38:28 <|amethyst> maelstrom?
23:38:32 <bh> yes!
23:38:33 <ontoclasm> oh yeah
23:38:38 <|amethyst> someone said a giant question mark was chasing them
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23:38:42 <bh> HA!
23:38:48 <ontoclasm> and amethyst, i'm working on that one thing you suggested
23:38:57 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: heehee
23:39:04 <elliptic> giant question mark sounds like a good tile
23:39:10 <|amethyst> I need to figure out how to do it in a way that doesn't break things
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23:45:46 <|amethyst> anyway, bed time for me... I'll bring it up with more devs at some point
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