00:00:33 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11.1-22-g63ab777 00:03:04 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1405-g63f7441 (34) 00:04:38 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:36 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:08:34 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:40 -!- bmfx has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:37 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:21:09 -!- LikotUdendeb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:34 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:24:07 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33:03 -!- cfszero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:35:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:41:54 -!- Crazylemon65 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:57:10 -!- Silurio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:12 -!- tensorpu1ding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:04:37 -!- mcevers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:07:54 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:57 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:40 -!- Stelpa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:04 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:23:14 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 01:26:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:31:19 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:39:31 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:34 Someone in ##crawl is saying that the instructions for obtaining Crawl via Debian package actually gave them 0.8.1 instead of 0.11. I don't know if this means they mangled something or if there's an actual problem with that, and know essentially nothing about Linux. Who on the team is responsible for this sort of stuff, anyway? 01:40:06 and I know* 01:40:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:49:00 -!- SpacePoet has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:06 wake up 01:49:24 no. 01:59:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 02:23:33 -!- dspencer has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:26:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 02:28:48 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Quit: Crazylemon64] 02:28:49 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:05 -!- dspencer has quit [Client Quit] 02:36:00 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:40:49 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:53:04 -!- bleak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:06:10 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:11:07 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:30:03 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:52 -!- SpacePoet has left ##crawl-dev 03:32:22 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:04 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:53:15 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:09 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:56 -!- nooodl has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:56 -!- tkappleton has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:57 -!- Kromgart has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:57 -!- Stelpa has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:58 -!- raistware has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:58 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:58 -!- rossi has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:58 -!- archl has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:58 -!- zenzei has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:58 -!- stabwound has quit [*.net *.split] 04:02:58 -!- marcmagus has quit [*.net *.split] 04:03:05 -!- archl_ is now known as archl 04:03:23 -!- LikotUdendeb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:56 Friendly Rakshasa blocks autoexplore (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6460) by Fedman 04:21:22 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:44 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:24:47 -!- mrwooste1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:25:45 -!- ghallber1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:25:52 -!- oberste1n has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:05 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:05 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:05 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:05 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:05 -!- Laan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:06 -!- elly has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:06 -!- ghallberg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:06 -!- Rjs has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:06 -!- DemusSpark has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:43 -!- ghallber1 is now known as ghallberg 04:29:45 -!- fernandotakai has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:45 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:45 -!- mrwooster has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:45 -!- jdpage has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:46 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:47 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:47 -!- Anag has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:47 -!- elliott_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:48 -!- oberste1n is now known as oberstein 04:30:17 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:17 -!- elliott_ is now known as Guest9335 04:43:00 -!- SpacePoet has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:54:16 -!- Anag has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:54:44 Infinite acquirements on drawing Genie card, game crashes on loading (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6461) by nht 04:55:04 nice 04:56:47 mine! 04:56:58 a worthy candidate for ??epic_bugs 04:57:01 * kilobyte struts. 05:00:04 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1405-g63f7441 05:02:31 meh, it corrupts saves, probably irrecoverably; ie, not so cool 05:04:07 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:42 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:07:15 -!- Crazylemon65 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:19:33 -!- vogon_poet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:21:54 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 05:36:58 trabius (L22 OpCK) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1584 failed. (Abyss) 05:39:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:42:54 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:47:35 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:47:40 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:10 -!- jacobe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:03:13 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:09 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:12:22 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:13:20 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 06:14:27 I can add a line to recover nht's save, but I have doubts about a pre-Lair game with four pages of acquired randarts and stuff 06:15:02 reporting the bug should be worth that imho 06:15:15 else you just get folks abusing such bugs and not reporting, which is not an improvement 06:15:30 you can't possibly reap the benefits of the bug 06:24:44 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:25:26 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 06:32:03 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1406-g44fe2a6: Fix a game-killing bug with recursive uncancellables. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44fe2a694125 06:33:22 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 06:33:48 -!- Zaba has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:54:23 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:41 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:59:54 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:10:47 -!- BanMido has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:19:31 -!- LikotUdendeb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:52 !tell Wensley I was told you are hosting the updated learndb on your server. I'd like to move it back to CAO, to have it mirrored on CDO and make it available via the knowledge bot website again. Please ping me, when you have some time :) 07:22:52 Napkin: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:22:52 Napkin: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 07:26:07 -!- Wehk_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:13 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:22 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:29:10 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:34 -!- raistware has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:46:17 -!- Fusha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:46:43 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:57 Wizard heal removes rot but doesn't restore rotted hp (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6462) by Sinister Stairs 07:50:10 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:50:11 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 07:57:42 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:04:32 -!- rawrmage1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:04:59 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:07:46 -!- voker57_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:48 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17:13 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:54 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:22:38 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 08:29:17 -!- Nexos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:42:13 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: haxen] 08:43:56 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:48:55 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:00 -!- magistern has quit [Client Quit] 08:54:33 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:35 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:32 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:55 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:28 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:13 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:07:32 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:13:41 -!- Guest9335 is now known as elliott 09:13:51 -!- elliott has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 09:14:00 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:20 -!- Vizerrr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:42:02 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:19 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 09:45:06 -!- aleksil has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:51:40 -!- Grildrak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:50 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:24 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:17 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:14:52 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:24:34 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:35:22 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:05 Napkin: ping! I'd love to move the learndb back over to CAO, if you can do it without having to bother ràx then that would be ideal 10:38:56 but I am not averse to bothering her if it means that I can at last stop having to query ??test every time I log on :P 10:40:56 :) 10:41:10 could you give me an account on your server, so i can access and copy the learndb? 10:41:15 yessir 10:41:19 great :) 10:41:27 i'm heading for the swimmingpool now, though 10:41:35 could you pass me the data via email? 10:41:45 napkin at develz dot org, please 10:41:50 will do 10:41:55 awesome :) 10:42:12 i'll let you know once me and |amethyst are done with the copy 10:42:25 thanks! 10:42:27 o/ 10:43:23 I imagine napkin and |amethyst swimming together in an icy lake in the german mountains 10:43:54 -!- elly_ is now known as elly 10:45:45 <|amethyst> hopefully this isn't like when Joseph Knecht goes swimming in _Das Glasperlenspiel_ 10:47:46 -!- smeea has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:54:08 -!- raskol has quit [Client Quit] 10:59:53 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 11:00:18 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:01:17 -!- mcevers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:05:29 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:31 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:07:37 is it possible to, er, ssh directly into a chroot? 11:07:57 you can "ssh host chroot foo" 11:08:07 let's try that 11:11:17 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:15:35 <|amethyst> you have to be root to run chroot 11:15:49 <|amethyst> you could start a second ssh server (on a different port) inside the chroot 11:16:40 <|amethyst> you'd need /etc/passwd etc in the chroot then 11:16:45 <|amethyst> or some kind of auth 11:19:10 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:45 -!- mrs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:00 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:08 -!- sepik121 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 11:28:11 -!- Nexos_ is now known as fdel 11:28:43 instead I just created a group within the chroot with the same id as napkon's user outside the chroot and gave it the right permissions 11:28:58 napkon 11:29:07 Napkin: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6555 11:29:18 napkïn 11:31:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:39:44 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:47 Napkin: sent. ping me if you want me to put wenzell under during the transplant 11:40:16 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:41:36 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 11:45:29 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:10 -!- Krag has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:51:23 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:55:06 -!- aleksil has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:55:14 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:58:47 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:44 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:56 <|amethyst> alefury: I thought they already used the same accounts? 12:02:05 chaosforge wiki 12:02:07 <|amethyst> ohhhh 12:02:13 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:02:18 you cant register because they have spam problems 12:02:23 <|amethyst> don't they need hosting? 12:02:48 theyre up again according to the thread in cyc, what grimm posted is an excerpt from a longer post 12:02:56 <|amethyst> ah 12:03:03 also moving to a "new wiki" 12:03:09 <|amethyst> I would personally be in favour of making the wiki a semi-official thing 12:03:34 imo its currently working okay 12:03:43 <|amethyst> would help to dispel some of the negative views of it, which are kind of a self-perpetuating cycle right now 12:03:44 except for the part where you cant register 12:04:20 |amethyst: the thing that is called learndb 12:04:39 <|amethyst> learndb-wiki integration would be nice 12:04:41 the learndb is not very practical for a lot of things 12:04:46 well it would be nice if the wiki was actually not bad before being endorsed 12:04:52 <|amethyst> right, right 12:04:55 every time I have checked recently new bad information is being added more quickly than it is being removed 12:04:55 the wiki is actually not bad 12:05:17 or it wasnt when i used it a lot, like 2 years ago or something, i dont know 12:05:24 <|amethyst> there's a lot of opinion, but likewise in learndb 12:05:27 perhaps you just didn't notice, yes 12:05:38 even if theres a lot of bad stuff its still useful 12:05:50 it's not just the opinion really... even a lot of facts are inaccurate or very outdated 12:05:51 if you stick to the better parts 12:05:55 let's put it like this, the world would be a better place if it had a sudden accident and was not replaced by anything 12:06:00 but when it does give advice it's pretty far worse than the learndb's on average 12:06:07 sure 12:06:14 and it likes to give advice on many more pages than it needs to in the first place 12:06:35 <|amethyst> learndb has advice everywhere, too 12:06:46 <|amethyst> maybe not in [1] but in [2] or [3] 12:06:55 <|amethyst> often in [1] though 12:07:06 not as many everywheres as the wiki 12:07:26 <|amethyst> I'd prefer to see all the factual templates updated by bots based on the source 12:07:29 there's a difference between badwiki "advice" and learndb entries 12:08:03 <|amethyst> I wrote and posted a script to do that for spells (with four kinds of categorization) but I don't know if anyone's ever re-run it 12:08:59 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: and that could be fixed if A. the people who complain improve it, and B. the people resolving disputes recognize quality 12:09:54 not exactly easy to improve the wiki if it's getting worse faster than one person can fix it 12:10:03 i have the strong opinion that improving the wiki wouldn't help the overall situation 12:10:11 and that's a pretty thankless job and a huge burden for someone who is just trying to warn people not to trust it 12:10:29 i do complain about its existence more than the actual content 12:11:26 for the content section: at best it duplicates stuff that's better off elsewhere, which is manually aggregated every other release if you're lucky, and then there are the incredible character guides 12:11:57 why are we hosting two (hopefully soon) monster query interfaces if people go to the badwiki to find the 0.8 stats 12:12:22 or the 0.8 stats mixed with some 0.10 stats perhaps 12:13:07 Parsing the dbs into webpages would be good. 12:13:12 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: it would be nice if you could embed a call to monster in the template in the wiki 12:13:15 All data in one place. 12:13:24 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: and iframe of the page on cdo for example 12:13:39 <|amethyst> likewise the learndb interface when it's back up 12:13:44 basically if there is going to be an official wiki I think it would be better in basically every way to start from scratch than to start from badwiki 12:13:52 with stuff like that 12:13:54 i do refuse to support this wiki if it wasn't clear from the above 12:14:15 <|amethyst> The reason I suggest this at all is that learndb isn't very accessible 12:14:44 |amethyst: agreed. 12:14:53 <|amethyst> even with webpages and IM clients IRC has barriers to use 12:15:07 i'm just using a custom browser search 12:15:10 <|amethyst> and you can't add entries over the web 12:15:39 peer review from ##crawl is not the worst thing compared to the badwiki either 12:16:22 <|amethyst> could have some kind of interface for that... chei theoretically can announce dev wiki edits except I've never gotten it to work 12:16:27 <|amethyst> spam is the big problem 12:17:08 <|amethyst> that's not really been a problem on the devwiki, but it has significantly lower traffic so isn't as attactive a target 12:17:20 it also isn't mediawiki 12:17:34 which is really the larger barrier 12:18:41 <|amethyst> I don't know if you've used the dev wiki, but doku kind of sucks 12:18:59 <|amethyst> I say this also administering a collection of dokuwikis at work 12:19:29 <|amethyst> it's kind of painful to admin IMO, and not all that great to use either 12:19:46 <|amethyst> not that I'm saying get rid of the dev wiki or port it or anything 12:20:03 <|amethyst> just that dokuwiki instead of mediawiki is a double-edged sword 12:20:50 i've been administrating both, yes 12:28:33 -!- ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 12:29:11 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:20 -!- Sonny has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:19 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:31 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:52:09 better badwiki is not a feature that crawl needs 12:52:24 a wiki is a sign of inadequate in-game documentation 12:52:47 treat the illness, not the symptom 12:53:08 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Client Quit] 12:54:46 ideally the learndb would contain *only* opinion, because all players would find it easier to just get their facts from the in-game interface 12:55:09 well people are always going to want in-depth formulas and trivia 12:55:13 and the game isn't going to provide those 12:55:31 right 12:55:40 kobold (07K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-5 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 12:55:40 %??kobold 12:55:47 the game will never give you all those numbers, for example 12:55:53 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:55:59 but there's no reason that formulas can't be provided in-game, or that the damn formulas can't just be simpler in the first place 12:56:13 also, I must disagree with dpeg that those numbers shouldn't ever be in the game 12:57:04 * elliott doesn't think the game should give every number and formula 12:57:10 here's what the game could do: give you the numbers if you ask for them, and not give you the number if you don't. 12:57:31 I don't think that will happen (and would be opposed to it) 12:57:36 not giving you every number and formula just means that people will go elsewhere to seek outdated data 12:57:40 I don't think it would happen either 12:57:54 there are plenty of ways to have non-outdated sources of these 12:57:59 too much anti-number inertia 12:58:00 like %?? uses mon-data directly 12:58:48 or! just make those numbers accessible directly from the game, and the solution is suddenly idiot-proof 12:59:49 and new players feel compelled to use these numbers under the incorrect assumption they need them to play the game well 12:59:57 in fact some of crawl's numbers are a bit harmful already 13:00:02 (SH) 13:00:03 like large shields giving you a billion SH right next to AC and EV 13:00:04 yes 13:00:08 elliott: I agree, I wish there were just fewer numbers in general 13:00:16 makes people think they provide jawdroppingly superamazing defences 13:00:52 but *if* there are important numbers, and there are a lot of them in crawl, they should be exposed. or! they should be made not important 13:01:03 there aren't a lot of important numbers in crawl 13:01:05 the trick is to scale ac and ev up with it so you can also have a billion of those 13:01:48 Wensley: it's more that there's a lot of unimportant numbers that the game doesn't tell you 13:02:03 and a few important ones it arguably doesn't 13:02:33 the theme here is that if you have a bot updating data on a wiki, you're missing the point 13:03:03 that is something i can agree with 13:03:08 even if for different reasons 13:03:14 put strats on the wiki, that's fine. but it's better to put them on the learndb because once a strat page gets created nobody who actually knows what they're doing will ever audit it 13:03:36 the only saving grace of the learndb is that it gets spammed in ##crawl 13:04:21 |amethyst: btw thanks for the gourmand thing! 13:23:36 !log 13:23:37 317. Roque, XL6 HuAK, T:4245: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Roque/morgue-Roque-20121125-173750.txt 13:24:15 probably a long shot, but does crawl use those ^ morgue files directly to generate ghosts, or is there some other file for that? 13:25:04 oh hm, what are these .lst files 13:26:43 -!- vogon_poet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:28:46 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:49 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:29:02 they list all items you found 13:29:14 edlothiol: do you know which files control ghost generation? 13:29:50 the bones.* files in the shared directory 13:30:03 for example bones.D-10 13:30:11 they're in a binary format 13:30:24 I thikn 13:31:50 Wensley: see save_ghost in files.cc, I guess 13:31:56 thanks 13:32:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:36:03 is there a wiz command to dump to a bones file? not seeing anything in the wiz help 13:37:01 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:14 there is, but it's apparently not compiled in by default 13:37:24 if it is, it should be ^G 13:37:49 cool, do I have to compile in debug mode? 13:38:19 full debug, yeah 13:38:38 is full debug different from just "make -j2 DEBUG=y" ? 13:39:20 I think you need FULLDEBUG=y 13:39:41 what is your goal, anyway? 13:40:23 edlothiol: investigating bones files because I was intrigued by https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6543 13:40:44 I think it would be cool to have a public place with a lot of bones files just up for grabs 13:40:55 but want to make sure that they aren't huge enormous files 13:41:21 also I had no idea that fulldebug was even a flag 13:44:12 all bones files on CSZO are 296KB in total, if I counted correctly 13:44:28 and that's just because there are so many of them, every single one is 4KB 13:44:28 oh well that's tiny :) 13:45:25 though I guess it could accumulate without bound if you never deleted any of them 13:45:40 perhaps there would be a rolling culling of the oldest ones 13:45:51 that's starting to get complex though 13:45:59 maybe it would just be possible to make that folder web-readable 13:46:01 well, we never delete any morgue files and they're larger than the corresponding ghosts 13:47:11 true 13:47:42 haha, I can't even run the game in fulldebug mode for some reason 13:48:00 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:48:39 oh right, I have all my carousel stuff on here 14:00:28 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1407-g90cf61f: Fix a crash when starcursed masses scream a monster to death. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90cf61f04826 14:00:30 -!- Zhukov has quit [] 14:01:06 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:01:14 -!- kek_rip has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:48 hey, my friend got this vault recently http://i.imgur.com/gw9V4.png 14:01:52 wasnt this changed/removed/something 14:02:13 like isnt it supposed to be all f now or something 14:05:18 (its still an annoying vault dont you think) 14:05:33 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:08:14 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:47 -!- ToastyP_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:08:58 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:00 welcome to the dungeon! you hit the fungus x80 14:10:54 !tell napkin would it be a lot of work to make the bones folders publicly accessible via the web, in order to facilitate https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6543 ? 14:10:54 Wensley: OK, I'll let napkin know. 14:11:31 i spoke to the guy behind geistwagen 14:11:31 Napkin: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:12:01 but he never explained to me, how he would deal with bones files that have multiple ghosts 14:12:49 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Quit: Butts] 14:12:53 what if i upload a bones file with 5 bones, and a day after the same bones files, where 2 ghosts have been destroyed and a new one was added? 14:14:59 ah, I thought that bones files were all a single dead character 14:15:19 oh right, multiple ghosts 14:15:23 on the same level 14:16:52 Napkin: I wasn't thinking about anything too sophisticated, just a read-only listing of all the bones on CDO for players and/or tools to download at their leisure 14:17:13 obviously bones would be modified and deleted as players on the server killed each ghost, but that's okay 14:18:00 -!- RexBael has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:18:34 it could really just be a tool that you'd run instead of running crawl, and that tool would 1) see if you need some bones to fill out your bones folder, 2) if so, go to cdo and grab a bunch of bones at random, and 3) launch crawl 14:18:38 simple simple 14:18:56 I guess version checking would be the only wrinkle 14:19:19 but I feel like this is something you could have working in 30 mins 14:22:23 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:23:14 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 14:24:17 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:14 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:29:59 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:32 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:20 hmmhmmhmm :) 14:39:37 -!- Ragdoll_ has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 14:40:54 hey Wensley? I need a hostname to connect to :) 14:41:17 -!- mcevers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:43:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:43:42 -!- ransom is now known as Guest58137 14:45:09 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:47:02 Wensley: the script is like 10 lines of python 14:47:57 -!- Nabski has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:49:49 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:50:09 -!- Guest58137 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:50:10 got it 14:55:24 -!- pantaril has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:57:12 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58:50 Wensley, you created learndb2 folder as copy? 14:59:42 -!- moohaus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:01:40 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:36 -!- Brainsoup has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:19 -!- GON_again has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:11:19 Napkin: learndb2 is a copy I created this morning to test making the tar with your account 15:11:38 Napkin: right, hostname :P seleniac.org 15:11:43 oh wait 15:11:46 surely you've already gotten in 15:11:49 if you've seen leardb2 15:11:58 yes, used Henzell's hostname 15:12:02 I'm living life in reverse, apparently 15:12:28 did you tar up the learndb folder? want me to take wenzell offline while you do the switch? 15:12:40 i'm going to rsync, as soon as the backup (cp -a) of the current cdo learndb is done 15:12:58 no need 15:13:01 -!- DeusExInfernus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:13:05 syncing first 15:13:45 Napkin: so wait, are you actually moving the learndb off of seleniac at all? 15:13:47 btw, your umask is not so nice 15:13:56 new folders in learndb got created with 777 15:14:01 Napkin: this whole server is not so nice :( it was my first linux thing ever! 15:14:05 hehe 15:14:06 Napkin: whaaat 15:14:08 777 15:14:13 no idea why that's happening 15:14:28 Wensley, a generous man 15:14:46 Napkin: I'm looking forward to the next debian so that I have an excuse to wipe the server completely and start fresh :) 15:14:53 should be any month now... 15:14:58 :) 15:15:05 my new server is on wheezy already 15:15:10 you run debian stable?? 15:15:16 rsync running now 15:15:43 done! 15:15:48 elliott: I'm very conservative. also I think that was the only debian option that linode was offering? 15:16:09 and it was my first linux thing ever? 15:16:16 so I didn't really even know what debian was? 15:16:25 they changed that quite a bit ago 15:16:26 except that it was the thing that napkin told me was the best distro to use? 15:16:40 so I used it? 15:16:44 ???? 15:17:54 http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=zotscumming - works :) 15:18:11 oooh 15:18:14 Napkin: the only thing that I'm concerned that might be a problem is the fact that we recoded the learndb's character encoding while it was under my stewardship. this *shouldn't* be a problem because we also updated henzell and cao has the updated henzell 15:18:19 Napkin: the footer isn't updated yet! 15:18:21 :o 15:18:42 http://crawl.develz.org/info/inline.php?q=-version 15:18:44 but ??test will show whether henzell works 15:18:57 http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=summon%20butterflies 15:19:01 looks a bit fucked 15:19:33 Napkin: btw, I have no idea if it is intentional that http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.phps is exposed, but it is 15:19:35 Wensley, it's normal that people say that.. os, distri.. always blabla ;) 15:19:42 it is, elliott 15:20:03 and 4th entry of summon butterflies should be deleted 15:20:07 ok, spring time! 15:20:10 4th entry of summon butterflies is just fine 15:20:12 ??summon butterflies[4] 15:20:12 summon butterflies[4/4]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 15:20:17 something on your server is messing it up 15:20:31 Napkin: summon butterflies[4] is the test of whether utf-8 works 15:21:00 Napkin: if your webbot interface code is based off of old henzell then that would explain why it's showing garbage 15:21:17 is that so? 15:21:18 Napkin: are you aware of the madness that was old henzell's character encoding? 15:21:39 not even the login to seleniac can show it properly via cat 15:21:40 maybe |amethyst remembers, he was the one who finally puzzled out what was going on 15:21:40 from looking at the source it seem sthe right charset is being sent at least 15:21:56 on careful consideration I blame Wensley 15:22:50 !abyss elliott 15:22:51 Wensley casts a spell. elliott is devoured by a tear in reality! 15:22:53 Wensley casts a spell. elliott is devoured by a tear in reality! 15:22:58 double devoured 15:23:25 that is a useless test and just wasting people's time 15:23:29 haha 15:23:31 glad abyss:2 is a thing now 15:23:31 +1 for deletion 15:23:44 Napkin: well there's probably other utf8 in the learndb 15:24:04 well the problem is that if you mess that up you have messed up encoding in general... 15:24:24 but if "cat" can't show it then there's either a problem with the encoding of the copy you got from Wensley, or your terminal is doing it wrong too 15:25:16 sure, elliott 15:26:14 go fix it 15:26:55 elliott: commit eb76855ec5c782e57d8da9efa8a71c1d4765cdd5 Author: henzell Date: Fri Aug 17 19:29:33 2012 +0000 Fix learndb encoding forever, thanks to |amethyst 15:27:04 so from this I infer that it's actually henzell's fault 15:27:16 bad henzell, trying to place the blame on |amethyst 15:27:20 probably not 15:27:32 Napkin: no it is! look at the change author 15:27:33 rather the old learndb-html.pl i use 15:27:35 incontrovertible 15:27:52 Napkin: but I can't explain why cat isn't showing the right thing 15:27:56 -!- ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:27:57 does cat not support utf8?? 15:27:57 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:58 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:04 my font is probably missing some char 15:28:28 Consolas 15:29:55 Napkin: can you copy the text out of your terminal into a web browser? 15:30:03 or any other thing that does glyph replacement 15:30:15 why? 15:30:33 because when I cat that file, I get the butterflies as I expect, *but* there are bizarre numbers in between 15:30:45 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 15:30:47 ??test 15:30:51 summon butterflies[4/4]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 15:31:14 so? ;) 15:32:58 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:32:58 Napkin: hey I'm the american here, if *I* suggest that we abandon support for utf8 that means that I'm an imperialist. but you're welcome to :) 15:33:06 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:28 Napkin: fwiw here's the entirety of |amethyst's henzell change that fixed the encoding: https://gist.github.com/4348756 15:33:31 i wouldn't dare - i find it quite useful 15:33:48 -!- mcevers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:48 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:50 Napkin: possibly you could make the same change on your side 15:33:59 those numbers are the colour codes 15:34:08 elliott: ah good point 15:34:12 -!- Artagas has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:34:38 -!- Nabski has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:35:02 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:36:32 faze: which script is just 10 lines, geistwagon? not sure where the source is, the link in the forum post is broken 15:36:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:36:54 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:37:21 just find statements like "well the problem is that if you mess that up you have messed up encoding in general" very annoying 15:37:35 also, kills any motivation to do any research 15:37:43 spring time! 15:37:45 o/ 15:38:08 (thanks, Wensley, rsync works :) we'll do the switch some time soon, once i catch |amethyst) 15:38:16 Napkin: sure sure 15:38:30 glad to finally get back to normal 15:38:40 just... six months later than expected :P 15:41:49 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1408-g37568da: Remove an out-of-date Donald line 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=37568daa67f6 15:47:08 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:52:13 gammafunk (L16 OpTm) ERROR: range check error (34 / 34) (D:9) 15:52:34 -!- Cynry has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:41 -!- Jikor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:55:12 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:32 -!- GON_again has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:58:38 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 15:58:41 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:32 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:01:53 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 16:12:37 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:53 -!- Zifmia__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:26 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:34 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:36 -!- aleksil has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:25:00 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:55 -!- ToastyP is now known as Guest85161 16:27:02 -!- Guest85161 is now known as ToastyP_ 16:30:10 -!- GON_again has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:34:10 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:34:38 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:35:14 -!- ZedZed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:05 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:38:13 <|amethyst> Napkin: yo 16:39:49 <|amethyst> Napkin: I don't know much about henzell on CAO, other than that it's in /home/henzell/dcss_henzell/, data is in /home/henzell/henzell/dat/, and it runs as user 'henzell' 16:40:06 great 16:40:08 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:40:11 <|amethyst> Napkin: I haven't really dealt with henzell before 16:40:16 can i sudo su to henzell? 16:40:52 since everything is text based, i just need to rsync to cao 16:40:56 <|amethyst> yeah, or sudo -u henzell (you have ALL=(ALL:ALL): ALL) 16:41:04 ah, great 16:41:25 <|amethyst> err, NOPASSWD: too 16:41:42 <|amethyst> you can visudo and change that if you prefer not to have NOPASSWD 16:42:03 i won't be using sudo much 16:42:09 going to use ssh pub keys 16:42:16 *key auth 16:42:49 <|amethyst> do you know how to re-enable learndb in the config? because I don't 16:42:56 it's not in the config 16:43:00 <|amethyst> oh 16:43:03 just uses a terrible hack 16:43:08 (the learndb stuff was just deleted) 16:43:09 apart from root access, of course 16:43:27 i'll figure it out - otherwise come crying for help ;) 16:45:26 <|amethyst> Napkin: the charset change required (and was required by) a newer version of Bot::BasicBot than what old CAO had, but I don't remember what version it needed 16:45:38 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:04 <|amethyst> Napkin: the debian package is installed right now, but if you need to you can aptitude remove libbot-basicbot-perl and install it from CPAN or something 16:46:06 i don't have any code from henzell 16:46:30 gretell is not based on henzell 16:46:55 i will look if i can "upgrade" learndb-html.pl, but that's it in the matter of unicode ;) 16:46:56 <|amethyst> same perl library though 16:47:07 <|amethyst> they (and Chei) all use Bot::BasicBot 16:49:07 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:50:15 any non-ascii digits in monster names? then it doesn't matter ;) 16:50:31 i'll see if the upgrade to wheezy forces me, otherwise i'll just lay low 16:50:53 <|amethyst> Napkin: oh, I thought you were copying the learndb to henzell too 16:51:10 the data, yes, nothing else 16:51:45 <|amethyst> I guess I'll see if I can get it working, might need some help 16:52:31 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1409-g1e9573c: Unrot HP and cure nausea when wizmode healing 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e9573cfc44e 16:56:12 -!- kek_rip has quit [Quit: dinner] 16:56:36 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:58:29 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:58:42 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:58:57 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 17:07:11 -!- BlackSheep_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:07 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:39 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:14 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:26 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:26:13 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:26:50 -!- Wehk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:53 -!- Nabski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:29:20 -!- Wehk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:31:26 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:02 -!- mcevers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:59 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:07 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 17:39:08 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:43:29 logorrheac (L5 HEFE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1306 failed. 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seriously? 19:51:23 this sounds like a good cover image 19:51:25 wow my typos today... 19:55:37 -!- Crazylemon65 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:19 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 19:59:05 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:01:07 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:36 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:18:57 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:24:52 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:26:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:31:57 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:46 -!- animegrampa has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:32:49 -!- animegra1pa is now known as animegrampa 20:40:22 -!- elliott has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:40:30 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:30 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:03 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 20:49:24 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:50:53 -!- smeea has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:55:52 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:59:46 -!- dtsund_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:00:11 -!- dtsund_ is now known as dtsund 21:01:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 21:02:38 -!- GON_again has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:04:11 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:46 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:49 -!- kek_rip has quit [Quit: cya] 21:09:12 -!- Dedagen has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:24 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 21:12:50 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:13:32 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:01 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 21:14:16 -!- Crazylemon65 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:27:29 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:31:29 !messages 21:31:30 No messages for bh. 21:35:26 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:37:27 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:37:38 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:40:40 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:11 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:45:01 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:51 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:56:36 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:56:50 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:57:21 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:22 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:59:49 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:20 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:02:17 -!- Stelpa_ has quit [Quit: Butts] 22:02:47 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:03:34 -!- Name023 has quit [Client Quit] 22:04:04 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:04:14 -!- archl_ is now known as archl 22:05:30 kilobyte: have you had a chance to look at bisecting inception? 22:16:21 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:48 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 22:18:21 -!- Nabski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:18:42 -!- broquaint has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:20:18 bh: have you had a chance to lava orcs? :( 22:20:30 -!- Napkin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:32 Eronarn: no. I'm trying to merge inception. 22:23:50 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:50 -!- neuwiz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:23:50 what's broken with it 22:23:50 -!- Laan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:23:50 -!- clemux has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:23:50 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:23:50 some save compatibility stuff 22:23:50 And of course mantis stops responding just as I have an emergency patch to upload to it >.> 22:23:50 Well, 'emergency' 22:23:50 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:50 DracoOmega: what's the patch? 22:23:50 The starcursed mass exp calculations are inverted. Instead of small masses giving 1/12 of the exp of the whole, they give 12 times the exp of the whole. Each. 22:24:04 Making the whole thing worth about 252k exp, if you fully split it before killing it 22:24:07 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 22:24:09 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:20 that's cute 22:24:21 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:24:22 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:37 Napkin: DracoOmega says mantis is down? 22:24:45 I think CDO as a whole is down 22:25:07 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:25:52 -!- greensnark has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:26:36 nice bug 22:26:41 mantis looks up to me 22:26:59 <|amethyst> I can get to mantis too 22:27:02 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:06 Yeah, so can I 22:27:20 Must have been a momentary outtage? Since other people did mention issues at the same time 22:27:47 <|amethyst> the same network burp that disconnected Napkin, greensnark, Sequell, and varmin? 22:28:06 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:15 <|amethyst> and Gretell 22:28:19 <|amethyst> all at Hetzner 22:28:27 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:35 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:35 Okay, patch uploaded at https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6449 22:28:46 If someone could kindly push it and correct my shame? :P 22:29:14 -!- greensna1k has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:44 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: mon->number is the number of things merged together? 22:29:48 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 22:30:01 -!- greensna1k has left ##crawl-dev 22:30:02 It starts at 12 for the full thing and gets cut in half each time 22:30:07 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: ah 22:30:51 these sound wounderfully buggy 22:31:08 I don't think they've been too buggy otherwise 22:31:11 Well, at least that I know of 22:31:33 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:36 -!- smeea has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:23 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 22:38:58 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-1410-g01e258b: Fix inversion in starcursed mass exp calculations 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e258bc302c 22:40:38 <|amethyst> So, did anybody ever decide whether manuals are supposed to allow you to train skills without the equipment (weapons, spells, etc) you'd usually need? 22:41:03 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:06 -!- Stelpa is now known as Stelpocalypse 22:46:21 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:26 |amethyst: I think they are supposed to 22:50:58 though it doesn't really matter much 22:51:21 I think it's a good thing 22:53:11 It feels a bit wierd to me that they do, but that might just be because I'm not used to the idea 22:53:23 I can't see it almost ever mattering, though 22:53:31 -!- bleak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:53:48 Like, maybe if you somehow found a manual of necromancy when you had a pain weapon and no necro spells, but how often is THAT going to happen? 22:56:32 well, thematically it makes sense 22:56:37 they're manuals; they teach you how to learn the skill 23:00:03 Yes, I agree 23:00:13 I don't think it would be wrong of them to do so 23:02:41 -!- Stelpocalypse is now known as Stelpa 23:04:19 mainly I just feel like it would be confusing for players if manuals sometimes can't be used 23:04:31 they are rare items, too 23:05:31 Yeah 23:06:42 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:08:36 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:09:16 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1411-ga3683c4: Don't give free reache failures through OoD etc. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3683c4d0331 23:09:37 |amethyst: reache failure? 23:09:44 reache failure 23:10:02 <|amethyst> ah crap 23:10:08 <|amethyst> s/che/ch/ 23:11:09 chibriados 23:11:26 <|amethyst> case-sensitive :P 23:14:21 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.11 23:14:39 <|amethyst> Didn't fix the typo in the cherry-pick either 23:15:34 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:45 ye olde reache 23:16:20 chrry-pick 23:17:19 <|amethyst> Zannick: :) 23:17:43 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:28:22 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:28:47 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:44 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:50:08 -!- Silurio_ is now known as Silurio 23:54:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:54:36 -!- perhaps has quit [Client Quit] 23:55:44 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:57:30 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed]