00:00:03 hangedman has to win a muck first :P 00:00:54 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1397-g08371cf (34) 00:02:24 |amethyst: can you send me some saves? 00:03:35 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:49 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1397-g08371cf (34) 00:06:50 <|amethyst> bh: http://dobrazupa.org/saves/test-saves.tar.bz2 00:07:02 thanks 00:10:14 -!- localhost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:10:32 ok. I broke save compat. 00:11:19 -!- Nabski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:15 lucky you 00:13:56 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:04 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:00 <|amethyst> bh: inception has MONS_APOCALYPSE_CRAB before MONS_STARSPAWN_TENTACLE 00:16:54 -!- iasov has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:16 |amethyst: I wouldn't imagine that crashing the game though, 'eh? 00:18:25 <|amethyst> well, if there is a tentacle in existence that could do it 00:18:28 <|amethyst> what's the crash? 00:19:07 Besides, reordering those enums is a major save compatibility issue anyway 00:19:47 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:46 I'll let you know once I finish compiling 00:21:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1397-g08371cf 00:22:52 sounds like the save compat work isn't done :P 00:25:14 |amethyst: tags.cc 2188 00:25:21 -!- Nabski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:25:36 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:52 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:27:12 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:30:26 it's probably getting fouled up by the abyssal coordinates above 00:32:35 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:35:11 Transmuted form doesn't show HP/MP bars when depleted (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6459) by bleak 00:37:06 <|amethyst> bh: you added abyssal_state.seed ? 00:37:18 I added depth. 00:37:33 <|amethyst> depth is there in trunk 00:38:08 true. 00:38:17 <|amethyst> trunk marshals major_coord, depth, then phase; while inception unmarshalls major_coord, seed, depth, then phase 00:39:09 <|amethyst> you'll need to wrap the unmarshalling of seed in the compat stuff 00:39:32 already on it. 00:42:06 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:03 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 00:51:56 * bh grumbles. 00:52:02 Save loading totally violates fail fast :) 00:52:14 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:39 How must faster could it fail than crashing immediately upon load? 00:54:31 need your type system to verify you maintain save compatibility so you can get compile-time errors when you break it 00:56:14 elliott: I can't tell if you're trolling or speaking with clarity. 00:57:10 in an ideal world... 00:59:07 Somehow I think this involves solving the halting problem 00:59:31 DracoOmega: nah 00:59:35 not any more than type systems do in general 00:59:51 Well, 'verifying that you maintain save compatibility' seems semantic 01:00:01 sure, types check semantic properties 01:00:14 sometimes you have to write more, and some (usually pathological) valid programs are rejected as a consequence 01:00:15 Well, yes, but... maybe I'm just misunderstanding you 01:00:26 it's all tradeoffs 01:00:27 uh oh. I just bought Minecraft. 01:00:33 !abyss bh 01:00:34 bh casts a spell. bh is devoured by a tear in reality! 01:00:34 bh casts a spell. bh is devoured by a tear in reality! 01:00:37 It seems a bit like asking the compiler to ensure that the code you wrote does what you MEANT it to do 01:00:41 Rather than what you wrote it to do 01:00:44 it's more like you tell it what you mean 01:00:47 and it checks you did that 01:01:09 you would have to explicitly edit your define notion of "a compatible save" to write a program that breaks save compatibility and types 01:01:12 save compatibility is a game of telephone. 01:01:24 this is a restricted notion of save compatibility, admittedly 01:01:31 it is the kind that results in a tags loading error when you open crawl 01:01:40 or, a bit tighter than that 01:01:46 <|amethyst> you could use a type system to check... what elliott said 01:01:48 Yes, I thought you meant something more general 01:01:55 <|amethyst> that you're not unmarshalling anything into the wrong place 01:01:57 (a bit tighter because you can decompose things into substructures) 01:01:58 Like "do these values all still make semantic sense" 01:02:06 right 01:02:08 that is a bit trickier :P 01:02:30 does this mean we'll finally get support for a crawl haskell port? 01:06:46 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:11:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:13:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:25:03 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:29:32 |amethyst: do you mind looking at this? You know what you're doing 01:31:10 |amethyst: https://gitorious.org/~bhickey/crawl/bhickeys-crawl/commit/eb9a585fe18021152f81835cc3c1fc9362e6f035 I pushed to my own branch with an eye on rolling it back 01:34:05 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:17 -!- yahhmm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37:04 <|amethyst> bh: you changed an unmarhsallInt to an unmarshallFloat 01:37:11 <|amethyst> bh: abyssal_state.depth 01:37:30 derp. I *think* I changed the type on it. 01:37:40 <|amethyst> oh, I see 01:38:23 I just thought of a hack to stop crazy transitions on game load :) 01:38:38 I could set the entire grid to NUKED 01:39:16 <|amethyst> hm 01:39:36 That would cause it to decay into the inception map over a few turns 01:39:46 <|amethyst> marshallCoord works differently (it marshalls ints in trunk, shorts in inception 01:39:56 <|amethyst> bh: that could work 01:40:35 do you mean the opposite? inception uses ints. 01:41:00 <|amethyst> oh, sorry, misread 01:41:49 <|amethyst> but you will have to handle the different types for abyssal_state.depth 01:43:06 <|amethyst> also, there's the removed enum stuff (but you'll merge that in when you merge with master) 01:43:11 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:37 -!- absolutego has quit [Client Quit] 01:44:02 see any other errors? I think the change I just committed should handle depth properly. I unmarshall the int and cast it. 01:44:12 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:44:49 <|amethyst> isn't that backwards? 01:45:15 <|amethyst> it was a float in trunk, is an int in inception 01:45:16 yes. 01:45:30 <|amethyst> also, does the old "depth" make any sense 01:45:38 <|amethyst> I mean, compared to the new one 01:45:52 yes. they're both time varying parameters used to morph the level 01:46:23 <|amethyst> I mean, is there any reason not to just throw away the unmarshalled float and set depth to zero? 01:47:08 other than style points, no. 01:47:15 <|amethyst> In particular, I am concerned about what happens if the old value was > INT_MAX 01:48:14 <|amethyst> (but I guess depth never got that high) 01:48:55 -!- fernandotakai has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48:55 -!- LoremIpsum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48:55 -!- Gilly has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:49:13 <|amethyst> also, I'd write that as 1<<30 instead of 1073741824 01:49:31 -!- Gilly has quit [Changing host] 01:49:43 <|amethyst> well, 1 << 30 01:49:47 seed is fine as 0 too. The range of coordinates is so large that the player would never be able to gather enough information about his location in space 01:50:56 <|amethyst> such determinism would make debugging save transfers easier :) 01:52:07 <|amethyst> hm... also, I am uncomfortable about not making the cast from signed to unsigned explicit 01:52:38 pushed a new, still broken, version 01:54:35 bh: passing -x to cherry-pick while on trunk is usually backwards; especially when picking from a volatile branch 01:54:50 <|amethyst> that was my fault 01:55:00 <|amethyst> my suggestion, rather 01:55:17 <|amethyst> wasn't thinking about it being a different direction from the cherry-picks I usually do 01:55:57 I can see why that message might be useless. 01:56:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:57:23 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:57:51 <|amethyst> bh: hm, I don't see any differences in the tag stuff that ought to cause a crash 01:57:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58:44 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:59:31 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:35 <|amethyst> bh: what kind of errors do you get now? 02:01:13 |amethyst: three separate failures depending on the save: line 593 in store.cc, 2209 in tags.cc, and 'truncated save (you)' 02:01:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 02:04:08 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:05:34 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:08:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:11:35 -!- Villadelfia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:18 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:15:11 <|amethyst> bh: building to test 02:15:22 thanks 02:16:15 <|amethyst> bh: btw, and this was a problem before, license.txt should mention the different license for worley.* and perlin.* 02:16:29 <|amethyst> s/before/already/ 02:17:27 |amethyst: will fix. 02:17:49 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:31 As far as I can tell, worley.cc isn't released under any OSI approved license. 02:18:47 oh boy 02:19:16 elliott: Worley wrote his own that says "This is free to distribute and modify without restriction. No warranty" 02:20:08 <|amethyst> technically that doesn't give anyone the right to use the code 02:20:21 <|amethyst> only to modify and redistributed 02:20:24 <|amethyst> s/d$// 02:20:35 Want me to get in touch with Worley? 02:20:45 <|amethyst> hm 02:21:04 <|amethyst> might not be a bad idea 02:21:19 <|amethyst> would avoid the risk of being dropped from Debian 02:21:54 you would have to have an extremely tortured reading of copyright law to interpret that as not permitting one to use it 02:21:57 technically, you don't need a license to use 02:22:05 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:22:10 perlin.cc is my port of Stefan Gustavson's Java implementation of perlin noise. He declared it to be in the public domain. 02:22:22 (which admittedly is not beyond the capabilities of some laywers to argue, but I doubt he's going to be suing anyone over it) 02:22:37 barring a contract, copyright can block only copying 02:24:32 I'm pretty sure Steve Worley is not a crazy person. I'll send him an e-mail and ask if he could grant some recognizable license to his code. 02:25:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte: you have to copy it into memory to run it 02:26:15 <|amethyst> kilobyte: in US law, whether that counts for copyright infringement purposes depends on whether the copy is "fixed" 02:26:29 If he says no, I'll write a new implementation. 02:27:12 I vaguely recall there being crazy cases when someone alleged just that and lost, but IANAL 02:27:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAI_Systems_Corp._v._Peak_Computer,_Inc. 02:27:48 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:31 <|amethyst> kilobyte: thanks to changes in the law it is now allowed for purposes of computer repair, but not in general 02:29:24 hrm, something sounds wrong here; got to go though 02:29:45 <|amethyst> U.S. copyright law is what is wrong :) 02:29:49 <|amethyst> later 02:36:08 |amethyst: what about the Perlin implementation? The original author says it's "public domain". Want me to track him down too? 02:36:25 <|amethyst> "public domain" is fine 02:36:30 <|amethyst> at least in the US 02:37:05 <|amethyst> hm 02:37:31 I'm not a lawyer, but as far as I understand, I don't think US law provides a means of transfering a work into the public domain. 02:37:35 other than timing out. 02:38:19 Surely explicitly saying so counts 02:38:42 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:38:42 -!- bleak` is now known as bleak 02:42:21 |amethyst: I've e-mailed Worley asking that he license it to us under the MIT license. 02:42:37 <|amethyst> BSD2 or BSD3 would be fine, too 02:43:58 and his e-mail address is dead. meh. 02:44:18 I could drive to his office ;) 02:46:17 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:19 <|amethyst> bh: aha, found the problem with saves 02:46:36 |amethyst: oh god. What is it? 02:46:38 <|amethyst> you'll need to merge in at least the new uncancellable 02:46:47 ugh 02:46:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 02:47:03 <|amethyst> I'd go ahead and merge in latest master 02:47:10 w00t. I found a working e-mail address for Worley! I think the reason it has such a strange license is because he wrote it in 1992 02:47:21 merge master to inception or what? 02:47:37 <|amethyst> yeah 02:47:41 <|amethyst> into inception 02:49:36 <|amethyst> bh: the only conflicts are whitespace errors 02:49:55 |amethyst: I suspect I'll destroy the universe 02:50:14 <|amethyst> wow, you have lots of whitespace errors :) 02:50:23 <|amethyst> run checkwhite before committing 02:52:11 <|amethyst> yeah, after checkwhite and a commit it merged without a hitch... compiling now to test 02:52:49 <|amethyst> I'm not pushing this, though; you should get the practice 02:53:53 <|amethyst> in your branch (make sure master is up-to-date first): ./util/checkwhite, git add, commit, git merge master 02:54:14 <|amethyst> you can only destroy the universe when you push :) 02:54:24 unlike svn 02:54:45 <|amethyst> well, committing is a push in svn :) 02:57:48 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:58:02 <|amethyst> hm, there is a compilation error 02:58:30 <|amethyst> oh, lurking horror appearing twice in mons_abyss_rare 02:59:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: im alastor] 02:59:29 oh gosh. It wants a commit message for the merge. 02:59:38 <|amethyst> the default is fine 03:00:35 <|amethyst> probably I'd go ahead and fix up the mon-pick thing and git commit --amend so it's in the merge commit 03:04:09 building...! 03:06:09 <|amethyst> hm 03:06:33 <|amethyst> nope, still a problem somewhere 03:06:44 with save compatbility or otherwise? 03:06:51 <|amethyst> yeah, save compat 03:08:41 -!- heteroy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:43 <|amethyst> hm... abyssal state phase isn't restored correctly, let's see... 03:12:04 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:12:05 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 03:12:20 <|amethyst> apparently major_coord isn't getting restored properly either 03:17:17 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:24 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:18:56 -!- Geweihe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:20:37 <|amethyst> oh 03:20:42 <|amethyst> unmarshallCoord is broken 03:21:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:21:26 <|amethyst> the #else...#endif should be an else {...} #endify 03:21:31 <|amethyst> s/ify/if/ 03:22:48 <|amethyst> as is, if the major version is still 34 but the minor version is too old, you don't unmarshall anything 03:23:42 <|amethyst> (err, not quite what I said; the #if...#endif should be around the if(..){ and the }else{..} 03:24:54 <|amethyst> it works! 03:27:50 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:28:33 <|amethyst> bh: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0001-Fix-broken-save-compat.patch 03:30:23 <|amethyst> one problem is that there are 119 commits which have broken save loading; that could make bisection a pain 03:32:12 since they keep getting rebased anyway, why not insert and squash the fix? 03:33:27 <|amethyst> that was my thought 03:36:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:51 <|amethyst> there are other similar problems 03:37:19 |amethyst: I presumably shouldn't push? 03:37:43 <|amethyst> bh: if you have applied my patch you can go ahead and push to inception 03:38:10 <|amethyst> rebasing so as not to have versions with broken compat will be some work 03:39:02 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:39:56 done 03:40:58 <|amethyst> part of "Toward inception save compatibility" needs to be squashed into 4bdb5c11 (which added abyssal_state.seed) and part into b85956ae (which changed .depth into a uint32_t) 03:41:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:41:29 <|amethyst> and part into the commit that added apoc crabs 03:41:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:00 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1386-g3c37486: Speed up Abyss difficulty scaling. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c3748664231 03:42:00 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1387-ge0199d4: Toward inception save compatibility. 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 16+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0199d499509 03:42:00 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1388-g7ec6860: Whitespace fixes 10(45 minutes ago, 16 files, 68+ 68-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ec686072852 03:42:00 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1477-g6a68ee0: Merge branch 'master' into inception 10(45 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a68ee07fe51 03:42:00 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1478-g87fc9fb: Fix broken save compatibility 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87fc9fbeb746 03:42:02 if you're uncomfortable with git, should I do that? 03:42:06 -!- Villadelfia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:42:08 <|amethyst> and I guess the depth part into the commit that added the depth 03:42:22 kilobyte: just drowsy :) 03:42:44 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:57 <|amethyst> also, if we're trying to make all historical versions work, I guess my a1d65c4 should be split and squashed into a couple of earlier commits, too 03:48:14 <|amethyst> bh: btw, I don't mind, but in general if someone gives you a git-formatted patch you can use 'git am' to apply it and keep their metadata 03:48:37 |amethyst: ack. I figured git apply should do that. 03:49:05 <|amethyst> ah... git apply is for plain patches 03:49:33 -!- letmeon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:49:47 it's not like "git shortlog -s" is a scoreboard :p 03:50:03 <|amethyst> it's not? 03:50:10 (should graft old history so dolorous is shown properly) 03:50:10 -!- Crazylemon65 has quit [Client Quit] 03:50:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:50:41 |amethyst: about as gameable as line count 03:50:55 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I count 6796 for dolorous 03:51:00 <|amethyst> using my .mailmap 03:52:06 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1398-g609867c: Make player draconians cold-blooded. 10(7 minutes ago, 6 files, 21+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=609867cb54e7 03:52:40 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:55:03 -!- vogonpoet_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:56:12 <|amethyst> kilobyte: btw, how do you recommend splitting a commit? rebase -i, mark it as edit, and use git add -i ? 03:58:22 <|amethyst> my wife's alarm just went off... 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The stars curse you now! 14:32:54 -!- zenzei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:33:00 -!- zenzei_ is now known as zenzei 14:33:22 being cursed with being able to paralyze things with screams and constantly splitting off one's self sounds like a good curse 14:33:32 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1401-g5d63a08: Fix debug mode tracers not being spammy. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d63a08e0aac 14:33:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:34:14 the diff in this commit is especially silly 14:35:28 what. 14:36:17 -!- mcevers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47:05 i just started a plain draconian and the % screen does not show my +4 ac from mutations 14:47:20 since i actually wanted to check whether cold-bloodedness would be listed there which it also isn't 14:47:30 kilobyte: i think that should perhaps be mentioned 14:47:56 also octopodes need to be cold blooded 14:51:27 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:55:52 good catch 15:01:40 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:06 -!- doubledragon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:02:22 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:46 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:25 -!- andrewhl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:06:12 ChrisOelmueller: eh? Works for me, both for plain and coloured dracos. 15:06:56 what works for you exactly? 15:07:42 -!- Nexos is now known as Nexos_ 15:08:09 ah, % 15:08:25 % is supposed to show only deviations from norm 15:09:33 that sounds like % shouldn't display racial resistances or something 15:09:40 don't think it's a valid argument :) 15:11:53 % is just supposed to confuse devs by requiring every mutation to have its effects listed in different ways in 3 different places :P 15:12:24 that too 15:12:35 (unfr ^) 15:14:34 hmm, it looks like tough skin is listed as "tough skin 1", but scales are listed as "ac+4, ev-1", for example 15:15:51 listed in inconsistent different ways in different inconsistent places 15:18:07 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:41 -!- dondy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:06 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 15:37:19 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:58 -!- st_ has quit [] 15:41:14 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:43:27 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44:47 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1402-g1b8a4ea: Add wording fix. 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b8a4eab5ac6 15:50:19 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:52:16 fr: one more place 15:53:25 place? like, branch? 15:53:49 <+MarvinPA> % is just supposed to confuse devs by requiring every mutation to have its effects listed in different ways in 3 different places :P 15:55:38 oh hah 15:58:01 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:35 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:25 <|amethyst> most mutations don't, I think, only pseudo-mutations and the ones that have numbers in them 16:01:31 <|amethyst> FR: get rid of pseudo-mutations 16:01:44 fr: augments 16:01:54 wait, wrong genre 16:02:12 <|amethyst> (by "get rid of" I mean "turn into real mutations") 16:02:42 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:37 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:09:49 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:02 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:26 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:29 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:41 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:13:41 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:13:41 -!- bleak` is now known as bleak 16:22:36 -!- kek_rip has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:37 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:33:03 -!- kek_rip has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 16:36:50 -!- aleksil has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:41:56 -!- kek_rip has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:02 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:58 -!- Trail has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:34 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:47:57 -!- kek_rip has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 16:50:56 -!- mrwooster has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:57:06 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:59:08 -!- PHahrrgis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:59:58 -!- zhov has quit [Quit: zhov] 17:03:00 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:03:19 -!- jvj24601_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:05:14 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:10:08 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:47 -!- LikotUdendeb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:16 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:21 why is the help in ctrl-F still referring to "if you use stash.lua" 17:24:34 having a hard time not using that currently 17:29:00 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:51 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1403-g3544ee8: Remove stash.lua references in help (ChrisOelmueller). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3544ee8783fa 17:31:59 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:15 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:33:12 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:36:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:39:03 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:40:27 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:46:02 Cherry-picked 4 commits into stone_soup-0.11 17:46:02 03|amethyst 07[stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11.1-22-g63ab777: skm fix 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63ab7777d77d 17:46:26 <|amethyst> ah crap, forgot to squash that 17:47:37 -!- b0lt| is now known as jmgao 17:47:59 <|amethyst> meant to rebase before I pushed 17:48:16 |amethyst: can recommend to start messages of commits not meant for pushing with e.g. "f " or "s " and then in your hook check for that 17:48:41 where f refers to fixup and s to squash obviously :) 17:50:44 what 17:51:30 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:51:31 hm. that sounds fairly hacky but local hooks are magic... 17:51:35 I tend to have ready or semi-ready commits I don't want to push, could be better to have something generic 17:51:57 yeah, reading the docs takes a bit of mental effort 17:52:16 and comprehension is so costly... :( 17:54:13 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 17:57:25 -!- mouldy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:03:55 -!- enigmoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:35 -!- yobbo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14:42 -!- Dixbert_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:39 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:17:33 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:18:22 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:22:08 -!- Trail has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:28:10 -!- CrazyArbalest_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:01 -!- Wensley_ is now known as Wensley 18:30:59 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 18:31:19 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:32:00 !tell napkin what's this about the learndb? 18:32:00 Wensley: OK, I'll let napkin know. 18:37:55 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:08 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 18:50:06 -!- helsbecter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:23 -!- kek_rip has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:54 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:26 -!- Pepe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:10 -!- Huukkila has quit [] 19:01:00 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 19:01:28 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 19:01:57 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:07:45 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:40 -!- Pikkle has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:13:04 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:15 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:17 can somebody pretty please make water elementals not count as water monsters for spawning and placing water monsters 19:16:11 also uh gourmand doesn't need any time to work anymore 19:16:16 |amethyst did you break something 19:22:39 -!- mrwooster has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:32 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:33:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 19:34:30 -!- SchwaWarrior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:35:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:38:31 -!- anonanon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:39:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:40:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 19:48:48 -!- yobbo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:39 -!- Pthing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:42 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:12:55 -!- Dixbert_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:09 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:26 !messages 20:17:27 No messages for bh. 20:22:34 |amethyst: what else needs to be done before we inflict inception on the world? 20:28:24 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:30:25 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 20:33:06 -!- Shadow1798 is now known as Schwer-Muta 20:34:08 -!- bza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:15 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:36:54 I heard back from Steve Worley. He agreed to license his reference implementation under the MIT license. Then he said he likes roguelikes and crawl looks cool :) 20:37:04 <|amethyst> bh: neat! 20:37:23 |amethyst: should I forward his e-mail somewhere for posterity? 20:38:49 <|amethyst> bh: probably docs/license/worley.txt or something, and update the comment in worley.h and worley.cc 20:39:01 <|amethyst> and a mention in license.txt 20:39:27 k 20:39:52 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:47:57 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:51:06 -!- eb has quit [] 20:54:12 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:56:24 -!- kek_rip has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 20:57:53 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1404-g25b93e5: Fix gourmand timer. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25b93e5d0520 21:01:18 starcursed mass (02x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 127-174 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 16 | 11non-living, see invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(96), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1751 | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 21:01:18 <|amethyst> %??starcursed mass 21:01:20 <|amethyst> oop 21:04:15 hrm? 21:05:32 <|amethyst> wrong channel 21:05:35 <|amethyst> I do that a lot 21:06:08 <|amethyst> I have the curren window/split highlighted in irssi, but it doesn't seem to help 21:06:25 <|amethyst> s/ren/rent/ 21:07:18 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:15:38 -!- rkd has quit [] 21:16:59 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 21:17:55 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:18:05 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-1405-g63f7441: Update license for Worley noise 10(15 minutes ago, 4 files, 60+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63f744174950 21:20:39 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:42 Hello? 21:20:55 no one's home 21:21:25 what's up, Lightli? 21:22:01 College is finally done 21:22:26 Thus meaning I am now free to enact on my greatest desire 21:22:34 mist orcs? 21:22:38 spamming ##crawl-dev? 21:23:37 wait this is ##crawl-dev oh dang it 21:23:54 yeah, this is not ##roguelike-singles 21:24:13 Anyways, what's next to be added/removed/nerfed? 21:24:47 lava orcs/halflings/nemelex 21:24:49 <|amethyst> bh: I guess really the rebase-to-make-bisection work is the big thing 21:25:07 <|amethyst> bh: might take kilobyte up on his offer to do that, it's kind of involved 21:25:16 |amethyst: I'm totally ok with that. 21:25:17 <|amethyst> would probably take me an hour or two, him less I suspect 21:25:30 Halflings are on the chopping block? 21:25:48 I don't think so, no. Despite some recurring threats from one corner :P 21:25:52 <|amethyst> Lightli: not immediately, but a few people don't like them 21:26:01 And hasn't Nemelex's scumming abilities already been nerfed into oblivion? 21:26:06 halflings are kobolds without meat eating? 21:26:21 halflings have innate mutation resistance because 21:26:24 <|amethyst> bh: and better apts at some things 21:26:33 and without boots 21:26:35 because ??? 21:26:40 <|amethyst> huh? 21:26:42 They can wear boots! 21:26:42 ChrisOelmueller: Tolkein 21:27:12 worth a try though :o 21:27:20 kill all of them 21:27:25 And what about Nemelex? 21:27:25 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:27:36 How are you going to nerf the most tedious thing in all of Crawl? 21:27:37 <|amethyst> FR: bird-and-baby monster, like spriggan rider but less tasteful 21:27:54 FR: Siege Crossbow 21:28:08 <|amethyst> Lightli: that's been suggested for Ogres and Trolls 21:28:18 I know. 21:28:27 not exactly the most apt races with crossbows 21:28:28 <|amethyst> oh, was it by you? :) 21:28:48 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: who need apt when you can shoot tree trunks 21:28:56 <|amethyst> or use a catapults 21:29:00 <|amethyst> s/ts/t/ 21:29:17 use a catapult against that wasp 21:29:51 |amethyst: thanks for fixing the help by the way :) 21:30:03 Almost as overkill as hitting said wasp with a giant spiked club. Of speed. Twice. 21:30:04 <|amethyst> np, thanks for spotting it 21:30:34 fr: a race with an uc apt better than +1 21:32:31 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 21:33:54 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:01 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:34:05 !apt mi 21:34:06 Mi: Fighting: 2, Short: 1, Long: 2!, Axes: 2, Maces: 2, Polearms: 2, Staves: 2!, Slings: 1, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 0, Armour: 2!, Dodge: 1, Stealth: -1, Stab: -1, Shields: 2!, Traps: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -4, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -2, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -3, Earth: -2, Poison: -3*, Inv: 0, Evo: 0, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: -2* 21:34:06 Couldn't open current/source/aptitudes.h for reading 21:34:06 -!- Wensley_ is now known as Wensley 21:38:19 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1479-gc39d7b2: Ease the Newabyss to Inception upgrade path. 10(43 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c39d7b2f1387 21:38:45 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:40:44 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:53 -!- GON_again has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:42:49 Lightli: thing is, UC is fixed at a given level of effectiveness regardless of gear; if you make anyone >1 UC apt they'll get it absurdly fast 21:43:02 polearms +4 you'll at least still have a trident or whatever 21:43:52 also you'd have to think of a way to not make them murder with forms 21:44:07 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 21:44:23 Eronarn: easy, tmut -4 21:44:52 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:48:21 -!- Cirdan_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:51:52 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:59:36 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:00:07 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 22:00:45 Eronarn: perhaps it ought to relate to the number of arms ... 22:00:46 SamB: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:01:25 <|amethyst> SamB! 22:07:32 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:45 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:09:05 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:16:40 Incorrect actually: Claws 22:16:56 BAD IDEA: give Trolls a +5 apt in UC 22:20:00 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1405-g63f7441 22:25:57 <|amethyst> Lightli: +8 22:25:58 <|amethyst> doh 22:26:57 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:32 -!- TEMPTROG has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:43:27 -!- Brainsoup has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:43:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:44:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:15 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:49:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:52:53 -!- mcevers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:03:29 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:04:37 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:07:57 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:08:40 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:08 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:12 * SamB figures that creatures without arms would do better at unarmed combat ;-P 23:26:07 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:37:48 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:41:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:17 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:43:18 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:51:18 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:54:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:26 -!- letmeon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:58:47 -!- yahhmm has quit [Quit: Leaving]