00:00:31 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11.1-17-g64a6ae2 00:01:19 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1386-g6733b32 (34) 00:12:22 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:32 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:48 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:21:06 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:21:24 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:22:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:24:42 -!- thenardier has quit [Client Quit] 00:25:02 -!- foophy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:25:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:10 -!- ololo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:34:14 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:39 !messages 00:36:40 (1/4) Silurio said (11h 13m 57s ago): Tried disjunction, the clouds left by blinking enemies blocked LOS. It may be unintended, but it was one of the nicest features of the spell. Didnt use it much, but certainly liked it, ill give you more feedback later. 00:36:59 !messages 00:36:59 (1/3) Silurio said (11h 13m 55s ago): I do think it is a tad too short. Almost everything tht can be solved by this can be solved by cblink. 00:37:06 !messages 00:37:06 (1/2) Silurio said (7h 28m 33s ago): Disjunction makes the orb run really easy. 00:37:09 !messages 00:37:10 (1/1) HangedMan said (5h 50m 3s ago): maelstroms would need to never spawn in abyss aside from vaults or only be very short-term summoned when used in corruption: regardless, it needs to not take stairs so people can't (get indescribably lucky and) drag one out 00:37:50 !tell HangedMan I had planned to make the maelstrom die after a couple of turns outside the abyss. 00:37:50 bh: OK, I'll let HangedMan know. 00:40:09 -!- getdunked has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:40:28 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:43:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:55 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:48:57 Waterpls (L27 NaWz) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_index(mg.foe) || mg.foe == MHITYOU || mg.foe == MHITNOT) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1680 failed. (Slime:6) 00:51:24 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:41 !tell Silurio Thanks for the comments on Disjunction. The opaque clouds are a happy accident. Perhaps it will be worth trying decreasing the blink probability while increasing the duration. 01:09:42 bh: OK, I'll let Silurio know. 01:14:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:20:07 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:22:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:45:36 -!- RexBael has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:47:38 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:13 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1384-g69d0d3f: Spatial Maelstroms should *not* use stairs 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=69d0d3f1c009 01:55:27 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:20 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:10 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09:37 -!- mynick has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10:11 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:15 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:03 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:46 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:16:46 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:42 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:24 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:21:17 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:55 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:25:45 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:54 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 02:39:11 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:40:44 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:45:25 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:10 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:13 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:52:11 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:14 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 03:09:17 -!- morgant has quit [] 03:12:17 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:07 -!- squid is now known as Guest25652 03:24:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:29:21 -!- eb has quit [] 03:32:48 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:35:18 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:39:44 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:02 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 03:46:40 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:49 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:38 -!- alefury has quit [] 04:01:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:02:26 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:05:04 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:15:31 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:15:45 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:23:37 -!- Guest25652 is now known as squid 04:23:50 -!- squid is now known as squid_ 04:39:55 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:57 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 04:42:50 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:43:39 -!- eb has quit [] 04:50:29 -!- Jerry_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:50:46 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:51:37 -!- bza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:13 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:57:38 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1386-g6733b32 05:06:15 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:50 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:12:55 -!- squid_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:12 -!- yon2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:19:17 -!- tychotesla has quit [Client Quit] 05:19:32 -!- tycho is now known as tychotesla 05:40:30 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:44:15 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:52:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:01:12 -!- tychotesla has quit [Quit: Leafing.] 06:01:17 -!- keke_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:01:43 -!- Tychotesla has joined ##crawl-dev 06:08:35 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 06:09:12 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:18:34 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:41 -!- archl has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121129165506]] 06:34:52 Would it be stupid or broken or violating philosophy to convert Inner Flame into a translocations spell? 06:35:46 Call it "Essence Rift" or something, and have it deal Distortion damage. 06:35:51 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 06:37:39 Reason being, Inner Flame seems like a bad match for Fire school: you have other spells which duplicate it, and if you can't immediately and effectively follow up there's a chance you're simply doomed. 06:42:06 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:09 Compare that to Translocations which has spells that would synergise with it, but still make it reasonably tricky and interesting to use: Cast "Essence Rift", use Portal Projectile to explode your victim... then if things go bad (and they will eventually) you blink around to try to escape. 06:43:35 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 06:59:52 -!- andrewhl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:15:22 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:15:36 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 07:16:56 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:12 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]] 07:30:12 -!- Letchik has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:35 Can anybody help me with a problem with offline crawl? I have a save there but whenever I press ctrl+q and y or exit D:1 door and press y, the game window just closes and the save does not get deleted. The next time I launch crawl, it's still there. 07:33:47 without any crash message? 07:38:25 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:58 without 07:41:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 07:41:18 kilobyte: 07:42:46 and nothing in the morgue dir, as well? 07:43:49 there is 07:43:57 that very character 07:44:05 repeated every time, right? 07:44:12 i tried it 3 times 07:44:12 is there a crash dump as well? 07:44:20 where do I check crash dump? 07:44:28 should be in the morgue dir 07:44:40 nope 07:47:14 I tried that again, as soon as I hit enter after Y, window closes, and judging by dropbox "syncing" icon, the game changes something in saves dir 07:47:24 but when I open crawl again, the same character is there 07:50:03 are there multiple (or any) entries in the logfile? 07:50:24 might be some write failure that for some reason doesn't show the message 07:55:18 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:57:33 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timeout: 272 seconds] 09:03:24 -!- whiskers75 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:00 Is there any hope of Dropbox (dropbox.com/developers) support being added in the future? 09:05:18 -!- whiskers75 has quit [Client Quit] 09:14:55 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18:51 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:25:37 -!- ZRN has quit [Client Quit] 09:32:48 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 09:33:40 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:36:41 <|amethyst> what would dropbox support even entail? 09:37:26 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:37:36 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:13 -!- mthomson is now known as Elynae 09:44:17 -!- Tychotesla has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:44:59 glad you asked that 09:47:27 sounds like an item container 09:51:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:56:44 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:58:54 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:59:36 -!- monqy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:03:30 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:27 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:45 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:58 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:11:41 >(17:50:06) kilobyte: are there multiple (or any) entries in the logfile? 10:11:41 Where is logfile? 10:12:06 Also about dropbox support - you can just store saves in dropbox 10:12:19 set up folder to save in init file 10:17:24 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:54 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:33 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:23:12 <|amethyst> or we could store the saves on our own servers 10:24:53 <|amethyst> If you're talking about local, adding network support to a program that doesn't otherwise need it seems like a bad idea 10:25:17 <|amethyst> also, there is no C++ SDK for Dropbox, so it would be painful to implement 10:26:18 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:14 -!- rkd has quit [Client Quit] 10:43:34 obviously crawl needs dropbox support so all players can share ghosts everywhere 10:43:38 11:03:05 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 11:10:49 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:52 -!- Fusha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:14:34 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:32 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:19:47 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 11:22:45 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23:13 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Client Quit] 11:24:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:24 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:28:27 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 11:36:26 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:36:52 Orcish mines didn't spawn (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6456) by zkyp 11:37:24 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:37:26 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 11:38:13 -!- stenno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:48 -!- stenno has quit [Changing host] 11:39:03 -!- dpeg has 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##crawl-dev 18:46:26 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:03 -!- Dixbert_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:43 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:56:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:04 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:05:31 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:07:39 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 19:10:21 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:12:13 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:16:55 ElMuncho (L1 DECK) (D (Sprint)) 19:17:18 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:00 ElMuncho (L1 DECK) (D (Sprint)) 19:18:57 ElMuncho (L1 DECK) (D (Sprint)) 19:19:36 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:21:15 -!- SamB_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:59 !lm elmuncho sprint crash -log 19:22:00 3. ElMuncho, XL1 DECK, T:63 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ElMuncho/crash-ElMuncho-20121219-011856.txt 19:22:35 find_default_target resolving the Spark? 19:23:17 !lm elmuncho sprint crash 2 -log 19:23:18 2. ElMuncho, XL1 DECK, T:81 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ElMuncho/crash-ElMuncho-20121219-011800.txt 19:23:35 frost... 19:23:40 !lm elmuncho sprint crash 1 -log 19:23:41 1. ElMuncho, XL1 DECK, T:157 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ElMuncho/crash-ElMuncho-20121219-011654.txt 19:23:50 and spark again 19:24:30 so, tabbing with a polearm with an orb of destruction in the way 19:24:41 lets you repeatedly try to reach until you succeed reaching 19:25:12 since the orb of destruction being in the way can't actually be hit and thus doesn't count as being in the way? 19:28:05 huh? doesn't failing to reach cost a turn? 19:28:33 You could not reach far enough! The wavering orb of destruction hits the rat. 19:28:53 oh, maybe I'm just not noticing attack delay stuff 19:29:13 also that makes it sound like it's a friendly orb 19:29:37 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:30:16 oh right, for hostile stuff you try and hit it instead of failing to reach 19:30:47 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:32:23 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:32:55 buffalo66 (L9 DEFE) (D:8) 19:33:13 buffalo66 (L9 DEFE) (D:8) 19:33:52 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 19:34:11 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:27 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:32 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38:00 mamga (L1 MiGl) (D (Sprint)) 19:38:15 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:34 !lm buffalo66 crash -log 19:42:38 9. buffalo66, XL9 DEFE, T:3175 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/buffalo66/crash-buffalo66-20121219-013313.txt 19:42:56 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:09 mamga (L9 MiGl) (D (Sprint)) 19:47:07 yeah 19:47:22 %git 0f7d767 19:47:22 03galehar * 0.12-a0-1391-g0f7d767: Improve LRD default targetting (#6315). 10(3 hours ago, 3 files, 14+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f7d767c6318 19:47:26 mamga (L8 MiGl) (D (Sprint)) 19:47:44 hitfunc needs to be guarded, since it can be null 19:48:13 HangedMan (L23 MfSk) (Spider:5) 19:48:18 uh what 19:48:30 !lm HangedMan crash -log 19:48:32 12. HangedMan, XL23 MfSk, T:68011 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/HangedMan/crash-HangedMan-20121219-014812.txt 19:48:38 yep, same thing 19:48:49 casting a targetted spell with nothing in los? 19:49:10 a targetted lrd 19:49:23 I accidentally cast agony so I doubt it was that 19:49:32 doesn't have to be lrd, so far as i can tell 19:49:58 okay, must actually remember spellranges 19:50:08 and not mistype 19:50:34 i could make a patch, but frankly, a committer could just do it, too 19:52:07 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:52:48 mamga (L3 GhFi) (D (Sprint)) 19:53:57 HangedMan: :| 19:53:58 HangedMan (L23 MfSk) (Spider:5) 19:54:04 argh 19:54:16 j is not g 19:54:18 |amethyst: 19:54:38 oops 19:54:47 mamga (L7 GhFi) (D (Sprint)) 19:54:57 |amethyst: crash bug dereferencing hitfunc: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blobdiff;f=crawl-ref/source/directn.cc;h=980611bcb83a44d7750041546d1ff216c75fdc35;hp=eda969b8e37cb03dfdea367fd1391947aa5095ea;hb=0f7d767c631817d4627620a1b74adb202c598aa6;hpb=57b6bdd542a99ed83662517f4bca99fef026d86c 19:55:11 oh boy git urls 19:55:15 mamga (L4 GhFi) (D (Sprint)) 20:01:02 <|amethyst> Zannick: thanks 20:01:14 <|amethyst> not sure why you directed that to me though :) 20:01:19 jvj24601 (L11 HEWz) (Lair:1) 20:01:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1394-g8b2b976 (34) 20:01:36 because someone would need to update cszo? :P 20:01:56 <|amethyst> Zannick: any dev can do that, actually 20:01:58 any dev can update it 20:02:01 and you're generally reliable at this hour 20:02:02 jvj24601 (L11 HEWz) (Lair:1) 20:02:02 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:02:13 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 20:02:25 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1394-g8b2b976: Avoid a targetting crash (Zannick). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b2b9760c287 20:02:38 now to fix the orb thing 20:02:41 <|amethyst> well, I should say, any dev with an account on CSZO that I have actually flagged as admin 20:03:01 <|amethyst> that should be all the devs with CSZO accounts but I may have missed someone 20:03:16 i have a cszo account :3 20:03:29 how has somebody not noticed said orb thing in tabbing orb spiders with polearms 20:04:02 <|amethyst> HangedMan: only tabbing? 20:04:20 who would actually press v to reach with a reaching weapon 20:04:37 <|amethyst> someone who wants to attack a particular thing? 20:04:45 I do that sometimes because I usually forget to use tab and just press vikeys instead 20:04:55 mostly I just avoid polearms though 20:04:55 |amethyst: well tabbing is the most likely way to set up the situation 20:04:57 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:37 although then you'd only notice if you were paying attention during tabbing 20:05:50 (i mean, if i were a dev i could have done it myself >.>) 20:06:07 aren't you and zaba the same person 20:06:13 i love fixing services while i'm oncall for something completely unrelated 20:06:15 like how galehar is alefury 20:06:35 <|amethyst> HangedMan: ah, I see, the if (!fight_melee(...)) at the end 20:06:44 <|amethyst> HangedMan: or, rather, the return false 20:06:53 galehar and alefury have more letters in common than Zannick and Zaba do :P 20:07:03 but they both start with Za 20:07:15 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:22 also clearly we should be able to hit orbs of destruction but only when failing to reach 20:07:26 by that logic bh and bhaak are the same person 20:08:00 no, there's nothing after bh so it's enough of a difference 20:08:07 ... 20:08:37 <|amethyst> maybe bh and bmh are the same person 20:09:04 mcevers (L4 HEAE) (D:3) 20:09:07 no, it's bmh and bmfx 20:09:20 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 20:09:50 <|amethyst> !seen evilmike 20:09:50 I last saw evilmike at Sat Dec 1 01:20:19 2012 UTC (2w 4d 49m 31s ago) quitting with message Ping timeout: 260 seconds. 20:09:51 I last saw evilmike at Fri Nov 30 01:27:33 2012 UTC (2w 5d 42m 17s ago) saying yeah on ##crawl-dev. 20:10:01 <|amethyst> evilmike and mikee 20:10:08 also prefix-suffix avoids evilmike and mikee_ 20:10:25 <|amethyst> it's a trick, the "e_" is short for "evil" 20:10:27 very percise science involved in accidentally confusing people 20:11:01 kap (L27 HuWz) (D:27) 20:11:02 very percise indeed 20:12:35 <|amethyst> it's not clear to me the best way to fix the projectile reacharound 20:12:53 * Zannick -> food 20:12:53 <|amethyst> (probably not a phrase you want to google) 20:13:29 |amethyst: btw I was having trouble figuring out what username/password cszo expected of me for rebuilding the other day... should it just be elliptic/the password that works for elliptic in dgl, or am I forgetting something? 20:14:18 <|amethyst> elliptic: yes 20:14:30 <|amethyst> elliptic: should be the same for save backup downloads, too 20:15:15 <|amethyst> unlike dgl itself, it is case sensitive, but you're all-lowercase so that's probably not it 20:16:05 currently I am also failing to remember the correct URL but that was not the problem the other day 20:17:39 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:04 normally i solve that by requiring whoever asks me for a rebuild to go and look up the URL for me :P 20:18:19 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/trunk 20:18:21 <|amethyst> err 20:18:23 i guess this fails if you want to fix a crash or something though 20:18:39 <|amethyst> leave out the "/trunk" if you want the menu for other versions 20:19:01 <|amethyst> /rebuild/trunk automatically triggers the rebuild, so maybe you don't want to bookmark that :) 20:19:17 oh, maybe I am misremembering and it was actually CAO rebuilding that I couldn't figure out the password for? 20:19:30 anyway logging into http://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ works fine for me :) 20:22:07 <|amethyst> oh 20:22:53 <|amethyst> you weren't marked as an admin on CAO 20:22:55 <|amethyst> you are now 20:23:29 ah, thanks :) that would explain why it wasn't working 20:29:03 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:31:10 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:31:32 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:35:01 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:30 !messages 20:37:31 No messages for bh. 20:38:05 Does anyone have thoughts on this suppression moth bug? It appears that strength is getting updated when you kill the moth, but burden isn't being reset 20:44:04 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:44:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:46:51 <|amethyst> bh: compiling and testing a fix 20:47:05 |amethyst: shucks. Can't I fix anything? 20:47:09 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 20:48:01 bh: I'm sure there are plenty of painful and tedious bugs on mantis to investigate, if you really want! :P 20:48:25 <|amethyst> bh: only if you track it down before me :) 20:48:50 DracoOmega: fine. I'll fix "The abyss hurls me into lava." 20:48:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:48:58 That would be a good one, actually! 20:48:59 <|amethyst> there's a notify_stat_change() function that should be called inside the code that detects crossing a suppression boundary 20:49:21 I figured it was something like that. 20:52:03 wait a minute... how on earth does this kill players. abyss_teleport will only stick you on a floor or shallow_water 20:53:01 <|amethyst> maybe it's checking cell contents at the wrong time? 20:53:49 could be. But it's strange because the abyss will refuse to put lava under you as well 20:54:06 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:54:11 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 20:54:12 Does it use some check that the player can inhabit the square? 20:54:20 Because that might return true if they're flying at the time 20:54:26 -!- cfszero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:54:33 It should just explicitly not allow those terrain types 20:54:44 (To avoid the case where flight wears off at the very worst time) 20:56:19 Shame that it isn't easier to reproduce. 20:56:39 -!- Huukkila has quit [] 20:57:49 <|amethyst> warp weapon 20:57:50 <|amethyst> doh 20:58:00 hrm? 20:58:04 <|amethyst> wrong channel :) 21:00:26 I might poke my head at the associated code myself, but I am now out of town for the holidays. Not that this means I'm super busy or anything, but it does mean that I'm not around my normal development setup :P 21:00:37 DracoOmega: I'm telling the function to unconditionally refuse to morph the square the player is standing on 21:00:48 Though I will probably try to eventually wrangle something useable on this computer I'm borrowing 21:01:08 bh: Was the death from an abyss morph or an actual abyss teleport? 21:01:20 DracoOmega: I think a combination of the two. 21:01:35 Teleport, morph, flight expired. 21:01:50 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:55 <|amethyst> bh: see %06d33846c 21:02:10 |amethyst: how do I ask henzell for a link? 21:02:26 <|amethyst> err, s/%// 21:02:32 <|amethyst> %git 06d33846c 21:02:32 03galehar * 0.12-a0-156-g06d3384: Don't prevent abyss morphing at the player position. 10(4 months ago, 5 files, 13+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06d33846c1c3 21:02:38 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:02:42 <|amethyst> also 21:02:48 <|amethyst> %git fa040c23 21:02:48 03galehar * 0.12-a0-187-gfa040c2: Safer player pushing in the Abyss. 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa040c23bc87 21:02:58 -!- dchimera has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:03:02 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1395-gdd46fde: Recalculate burden etc. on suppression change (#6314). 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd46fde7bb0c 21:03:32 galehar should feel bad about that murderous change. 21:03:51 <|amethyst> it's not supposed to kill people obviously 21:04:00 <|amethyst> it's supposed to push the player to a different square 21:04:15 which is problematic when flight is expiring 21:04:21 <|amethyst> but the relative timing of that and duration expiry might be suboptimal :) 21:04:27 <|amethyst> oh 21:04:28 <|amethyst> I see 21:04:48 <|amethyst> either order has its own problems 21:05:32 I'd place a higher value on unconditionally refusing to abyss-kill the player than have the abyss be entirely consistent 21:06:00 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:06:23 <|amethyst> right, right... I'm just saying that if there's a way to fix it while still allowing abyss pushing, and it doesn't complicate the code too much, that would be preferable 21:06:50 <|amethyst> but I won't object to a revert, and I doubt galehar will either 21:07:14 <|amethyst> might see if he has ideas about fixing it 21:07:34 how about this: morph all the terrain without any regard for the player. Attempt to shove the player. If the shove fails, revert the square the player is standing on. 21:07:56 <|amethyst> bh: does the morphing happen before or after durations tick down? 21:08:20 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:08:43 it happens in run_environment_effects 21:08:48 <|amethyst> because if it's before, you still have the possibility of flight expiring after a "safe" morph 21:09:37 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:09:59 <|amethyst> yeah, run_environment_effects is called just before _player_reacts 21:10:07 I was just going to say that :) 21:10:36 <|amethyst> changing the order is probably not a good idea though 21:10:38 reodering those would probably be very bad. 21:10:59 I could lift abyss morphing out of run_environment_effects 21:12:03 <|amethyst> hm 21:12:27 <|amethyst> would still need lots of testing, maybe with kilobyte's abyss test bot 21:12:34 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:13:00 ok. I'm going to try that. The things in run_environment_effects that are called *after* abyss morphing shouldn't be terrible consequential 21:13:01 <|amethyst> s/maybe/including/ 21:14:36 <|amethyst> bh: btw, not sure if you're aware of &^D, but it's probably useful for your testing 21:14:48 I'm not -- what is it? 21:14:56 <|amethyst> lets you set durations 21:15:14 <|amethyst> &^Dflight1 21:15:27 ah. neat. I'll see what the stress test does 21:16:05 I got some comments on disjunction yesterday. The player thought the duration was too low and it made the orb run too easy. 21:16:54 <|amethyst> the stress test probably won't hit this specific bug, because it uses perma-flight 21:17:31 -!- Crazylemon65 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:18:40 the duration seems fine to me (I've used it to skip zig levels) 21:19:02 well, also on mnoleg but that was rather pointless 21:19:34 elliott: heh! That sounds like a good use 21:19:40 at least it isn't project noise. 21:20:19 why does it contam you, btw? 21:20:36 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 21:20:37 it's similar to, say, tornado, which doesn't, and it's quite annoying to accidentally yellow glow yourself all the time because you hasted yourself and cast disjunction without realising 21:20:37 -!- drag0n_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:20:43 it wouldn't seem imbalanced to make it not contam you 21:20:43 And also, skipping Zig levels via a level 8 spell seems more fair than a level 2 one :P 21:20:55 DracoOmega: my point :) 21:20:59 and it has uses outside of zig levels too :P 21:21:03 <|amethyst> elliott: can you use tornado to skip zig levels? 21:21:18 |amethyst: sure. You spam tornado until everything dies. 21:21:19 |amethyst: no but I don't think skipping zig levels is what game balance is based on :P 21:21:23 but yes that 21:21:24 That doesn't really blow things away from you if they're already close, though 21:21:47 elliott: I was trying to discourage spam since it's essentially melee immunity 21:21:56 well it blows them away when they stop existing 21:22:17 Would spam really be a problem with it otherwise? 21:22:18 bh: well, spellcasting isn't free, but fair enough 21:22:29 if the alternative was death because of melee I'd take the glow anyway though 21:22:50 I'm not committed to glow. 21:23:33 I seem to recall elliptic thinking the glow was kind of unnecessary, too. Though I may be recalling wrong 21:23:45 would anyone be open to a p or W that could walk through walls? After making spatial maelstroms incorporeal I'd like to try it out on something else 21:24:04 DracoOmega: that was probably me 21:24:07 I don't think the glow affects balance really... it doesn't bother me though 21:24:09 <|amethyst> bh: make it a q, call it a gnome 21:24:24 there is already gnome monster, non-vault even 21:24:27 it's g though 21:24:28 |amethyst: didn't gnomes used to exist? 21:24:30 gnome (12g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 130 | Sz: small | Int: normal. 21:24:30 %??gnome 21:24:33 ??gnome 21:24:34 gnome[1/1]: Woohoo, earth aptitude of 60, but spellcasting of 156. Least played and won race as of 0.4.5. They were cut and replaced by Deep Dwarves. 21:24:38 (it only spawns in vaults however) 21:24:42 !lg * gn s=cv 21:24:42 3547 games for * (gn s=cv): 1824x 0.4, 779x 0.3, 640x 0.2, 195x 0.1, 75x 0.5-a, 34x 0.4-a 21:24:42 <|amethyst> err, "nome", sorry 21:24:46 well it spawns in one vault 21:24:48 and as chunks(!) in another vault 21:24:54 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 21:25:04 <|amethyst> the proposed wallswimming race 21:25:05 bh: After looking at the foe_memory code, I had actually been considering making a wall-passing unique 'spectral hunter' type creature that always knows where you are :P 21:25:07 incorporeal is basically HT_ROCK on steroids, minus wallswimming 21:25:29 DracoOmega: naz...guul? 21:25:49 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: with a new monster flag presumably 21:25:53 bh: btw, I wouldn't worry too much about a player saying that disjunction made the orb run too easy given that the orb run is usually completely unthreatening even with no spells 21:25:55 -!- cfszero has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:26:13 elliptic: I'm one of the poor sods who died to the run, but I'm lousy at crawl 21:26:22 Oh, people can die on the orb run without being lousy 21:26:29 But that's because the orb run is really random 21:26:30 |amethyst: the flag is implemented! 21:26:36 it is a very nice spell on the orb run if you get unlucky and something dangerous happens there 21:26:40 Many times it is trivial, and sometimes it just does horrible things to you 21:26:42 but that's quite bad luck 21:26:52 elliptic: I'm happy that people are trying it out! 21:27:16 |amethyst: The stress test is hilarious. Xom decided to animate an angel's holy weapon! 21:27:25 bh: I've used it on zot:5 in a few games and it has felt more or less balanced 21:27:41 |amethyst: Yes, probably. I hadn't really given it much concrete thought yet, just the skeletal base concept 21:28:09 |amethyst: for player wallswimming, would you constrain the player such that they needed to be adjacent to air? 21:28:11 extremely good there (especially as berserk X repellent), but it is L8 after all and it doesn't save you from everything 21:28:39 funny. I've never had a problem with Orb Guardians. Lightning Golems have always been a pain. 21:28:59 !lg * zot:5 s=ckiller 21:28:59 1560 games for * (zot:5 s=ckiller): 410x an Orb Guardian, 392x an orb of fire, 151x an ancient lich, 103x an electric golem, 59x a draconian, 43x a storm dragon, 41x a Killer Klown, 33x an Executioner, 26x a Balrug, 17x a tentacled monstrosity, 16x a draconian annihilator, 15x a draconian zealot, 14x an ice dragon, 14x a player ghost, 13x an Ice Fiend, 12x a draconian scorcher, 11x a golden dragon... 21:29:53 !lg * cv>=0.11 place=zot:5 s=ckiller 21:29:53 189 games for * (cv>=0.11 place=zot:5 s=ckiller): 63x an orb of fire, 46x an Orb Guardian, 19x an ancient lich, 9x an electric golem, 6x a draconian, 5x a tentacled monstrosity, 4x an Executioner, 4x a Hell Sentinel, 2x a draconian annihilator, 2x a ghost moth, 2x an ice dragon, 2x a draconian shifter, 2x a draconian monk, 2x a Killer Klown, 2x a player ghost, a death drake, a storm dragon, a bliz... 21:30:21 *clearly* this means people underrate resists now 21:31:17 -!- ledShok has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:31:33 getting killed by a player ghost on z:5. That's harsh. 21:32:06 !lg * place=zot:5 killer=player_ghost 21:32:07 No games for * (place=zot:5 killer=player_ghost). 21:32:10 !lg * place=zot:5 killer=player ghost 21:32:10 No games for * (place=zot:5 killer=player ghost). 21:32:22 ckiller 21:33:21 !lg * place=zot:5 ckiller=player ghost 21:33:21 14. Lirm the Skullcrusher (L27 OgHu), worshipper of Okawaru, slain by Poncheis' ghost on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2012-12-02 22:17:47, with 589872 points after 116276 turns and 25:46:49. 21:33:41 <|amethyst> !lg * place=zot:5 ckiller=player ghost x=killer 21:33:41 14. [killer=Poncheis' ghost] Lirm the Skullcrusher (L27 OgHu), worshipper of Okawaru, slain by Poncheis' ghost on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2012-12-02 22:17:47, with 589872 points after 116276 turns and 25:46:49. 21:33:46 <|amethyst> err 21:33:48 <|amethyst> !lg * place=zot:5 ckiller=player ghost s=killer 21:33:49 14 games for * (place=zot:5 ckiller=player ghost s=killer): Poncheis' ghost, ihlosi's ghost, NyaaKitty's ghost, chilliwack's ghost, jericho89's ghost, archiiij's ghost, zenzei's ghost, doomgaze's ghost, Reluctant's ghost, by's ghost, 78291's ghost, Stathol's ghost, WalkerBoh's ghost, urish's ghost 21:33:58 !lg * place=zot:5 ckiller=player ghost -tv 21:33:59 <|amethyst> !lg * place=zot:5 ckiller=player ghost s=killer,cv 21:33:59 14. Lirm, XL27 OgHu, T:116276 requested for FooTV. 21:33:59 14 games for * (place=zot:5 ckiller=player ghost s=killer,cv): jericho89's ghost (0.4), by's ghost (0.4), archiiij's ghost (0.4), Poncheis' ghost (0.11), NyaaKitty's ghost (0.7), WalkerBoh's ghost (0.11), Stathol's ghost (0.6), doomgaze's ghost (0.3), ihlosi's ghost (0.4), chilliwack's ghost (0.3), zenzei's ghost (0.5), urish's ghost (0.10), 78291's ghost (0.6-a), Reluctant's ghost (0.7) 21:34:53 <|amethyst> I really should figure out something to do about ghosts on trunk updates 21:35:12 <|amethyst> all the solutions I can think of are problematic, though 21:35:30 what is the problem with them exactly? 21:35:50 <|amethyst> elliptic: ghosts stick to the exact trunk version they were created in 21:36:21 that was an unfortunate game. 21:36:33 |amethyst: ah, hm... how necessary is that? 21:37:02 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:10 I guess we might occasionally lose backwards compatibility with ghosts 21:37:14 <|amethyst> elliptic: moving them to the new version would mean that declining to transfer prevents you from seeing most ghosts 21:37:34 <|amethyst> elliptic: (you'd still see ones created by people who died in the old version after the upgrade) 21:37:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:37:46 how crazy is it to share them between versions? 21:37:48 <|amethyst> elliptic: and putting them in both places means a single ghost might be killed twice 21:37:52 <|amethyst> hm 21:38:05 declining to transfer is kind of an edge-case 21:38:11 seems like it'd be preferable to the current situation 21:38:31 <|amethyst> declining to transfer is something we shouldn't encourage players to do 21:38:59 yes 21:39:07 well 21:39:21 ok I guess people might actually choose no to have a boring game without ghosts 21:40:52 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm... could do a symlink if you had crawl follow the symlink and delete the target too 21:41:08 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 21:41:22 <|amethyst> when it would delete the bones 21:41:24 While inception isn't done, would there be much objection to merging it? 21:41:54 <|amethyst> kilobyte pointed out some bugs I think 21:42:00 <|amethyst> crash bugs, that is 21:42:21 <|amethyst> OTOH, it might be easier to find them with more players :) 21:42:22 did he file them on mantis? I haven't been able to reproduce them :-\ 21:43:05 |amethyst: have you ever considered being a middle manager? ;) 21:43:36 <|amethyst> bh: did you fix the tilling worm trap-moving thing? 21:43:48 |amethyst: yes. I deleted the tilling worm. 21:43:53 <|amethyst> aww :( 21:44:08 I replaced it with the Spatial Maelstrom which is essentially the same thing, but not a worm. 21:44:17 It explodes the walls into spatial vortices! 21:44:31 <|amethyst> also, have you ever considered going to hell? :P 21:44:38 <|amethyst> re the middle manager thing :) 21:44:53 I'm just sayin', you've got a sadistic streak! 21:45:16 The maelstrom is essentially the worm with less buggy behavior and different flavor. 21:45:23 <|amethyst> academia is even better than middle management for that, I hear 21:45:42 Grad students are basically prisoners 21:45:48 <|amethyst> employees have rights, grad students don't 21:45:49 <|amethyst> exactly 21:46:48 <|amethyst> (for potential employers reading the logs: that was intended to be tongue-in-cheek) 21:46:53 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:58 (employees don't have rights.) 21:47:01 <|amethyst> (also, quit stalking me) 21:47:23 bh: did infinplex's cities make it in? 21:48:57 bh: also, how does abyss depth currently work with monsters? based on rarites? 21:53:05 -!- tsohg has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 21:53:33 Manual of Ice not working (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6457) by araganzar 21:54:09 would probably be easy to change abyss monster list (and others) if the peak/flat/semi behaviours from a certain mon-pppick fork were around 21:57:19 -!- Nexos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:37 -!- hangedman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:01:35 |amethyst: are manuals suppressed 22:02:46 Moth of illiteracy 22:03:23 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12:39 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:42 !tell hangedman Cities aren't in. There's a lot of reinventing the wheel that makes the patch super big, plus there are a few pathological cases where it explodes. 22:14:43 bh: OK, I'll let hangedman know. 22:15:01 !tell hangedman abyss depth currently doesn't do anything with monsters. I don't grok mon-pick. 22:15:01 bh: OK, I'll let hangedman know. 22:15:26 |amethyst: I've run the bot for 60k turns and it's still chugging 22:15:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:56 <|amethyst> elliott: apparently not 22:17:06 |amethyst: sounds like a bug to me! 22:17:39 <|amethyst> there seems to be another manual bug: if the skill is untrainable and then you read the manual, the skill can be turned on. But if you then save and reload, it's no longer available 22:18:48 oh, manuals letting you train untrainable skills is a bug? 22:19:00 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:19:26 <|amethyst> I don't know 22:19:39 <|amethyst> but if not, disabling the skills on reload is 22:19:49 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:27 -!- mcevers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:20:54 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:23:50 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1396-gfbab18d: Show manual bonus even alongside antitraining '*'. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 16-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbab18d99fc6 22:25:10 <|amethyst> !lg araganzar 22:25:11 1175. araganzar the Eclecticist (L18 SENe), worshipper of Sif Muna, blasted by Roxanne (iron shot) on Swamp:2 on 2012-12-19 03:56:24, with 177468 points after 57485 turns and 7:28:53. 22:25:14 <|amethyst> !lg araganzar -log 22:25:14 1175. araganzar, XL18 SENe, T:57485: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/araganzar/morgue-araganzar-20121219-035624.txt 22:25:54 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:26:25 -!- eedsref is now known as Datul 22:31:00 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:32:43 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:10 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 22:38:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:01 Manuals enable untrainable skills, but not across save/restore (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6458) by neil 22:40:11 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:12 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 22:45:18 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 22:47:44 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:06 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1385-g00f47ca: Fix Abyss Liquid Kills 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00f47ca53f4e 22:49:08 DracoOmega: how would you feel about inception getting merged? 22:50:30 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:50:37 -!- DracoOmega_ is now known as DracoOmega 22:52:39 |amethyst: There's one big inception fix I want to implement before we consider merging. When abyss teleporting, I want to make sure the player isn't encased in stone. 22:53:02 <|amethyst> bh: check out master (or a local branch at the same commit as master), then git cherry-pick -x 00f47ca 22:53:40 <|amethyst> if there were no conflicts, you're done 22:53:47 That was so painless. 22:53:49 <|amethyst> if there were, fix them, git add, and commit 22:54:01 <|amethyst> well 22:54:07 <|amethyst> done except for testing of course 22:54:10 Cherry-picked 1 commit into master 22:54:12 <|amethyst> or at least compiling :) 22:54:31 * bh coughs... 22:54:31 |amethyst: I see you do not approve of marvinpa's methods 22:54:43 <|amethyst> :) 22:55:01 elliott: pros break the build at 4pm on a Friday and then go to the pub. 22:55:05 <|amethyst> oh, right 22:55:20 <|amethyst> forgot this was all to main.cc and not to abyss.cc 22:56:57 <|amethyst> so the chances of it breaking in master but not inception are slimmer 23:07:44 |amethyst: is there a function that returns the number of reachable squares from the player? 23:07:53 -!- Letchik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:37 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:15:04 <|amethyst> bh: not specifically, but I guess you could do something with flood_find and its get_unreachables method 23:15:41 <|amethyst> err, travel_pathfind I guess, not flood_find 23:17:23 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:17:24 I remembered a bug in the abyss. Exclusions aren't cleared on abyss shift. 23:18:16 -!- tensorpu1ding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:27:30 -!- Dedagen has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:04 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:34:56 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:10 any devs around? 23:44:18 there's bh 23:44:34 elliott: yeah, but he doesn't know shit. 23:45:01 as long as you have a burning desire to ruin crawl it's all good 23:45:01 <|amethyst> I'm here, or will be again in a few minutes, so 23:45:18 <|amethyst> ask away 23:46:01 |amethyst: I know there are some bugs in inception. I'm thinking of merging it anyway. Also, anyone who's in the abyss right now will experience a radical map change 23:46:28 It will affect the local surroundings of anyone who upgrades while saved in the Abyss? 23:46:46 I presume it just breaks save compatibility... 23:46:55 well 23:46:58 it probably should anyway 23:47:08 since the save compat work sounds like hell but I guess if you've already done it... 23:47:11 Why break forward compatibility if you don't have to? 23:47:36 well, if the transition is really awkward, then you can save yourself work by just not maintaining save compat :P 23:47:44 for instance, if you're completely redoing a dynamic branch that people are already in 23:47:52 Well, yes. I guess I don't know the code involves mapwise, here 23:47:58 elliott: it won't break save compatibility. It will just make the abyss jump on load. 23:48:14 I think the odds of this mattering to anyone are slim 23:48:24 get up, get up and get down 23:48:26 someone who saves in los of the rune will really hate you 23:48:29 Just the rare case of someone saving in some scary circumstances and then loading into safe ones 23:48:50 Of which there may not even be anyone with a save that qualifies 23:48:54 Currently 23:49:38 <|amethyst> not all devs agree, but I prefer to avoid compat breaks if possible 23:50:24 elliott: the rune will still be there 23:50:31 along with the monsters 23:50:39 technically it's always possible to avoid breaking save compatibility 23:50:57 it's just a question of whether the work is worth the transition/compatibility code and effort 23:51:09 bh: What, so only terrain would change? 23:51:15 DracoOmega: yep 23:51:21 That doesn't sound too bad, really 23:51:29 Like, I think the odds of this being consequential to someone are slim 23:51:30 <|amethyst> elliott: the compat code is not really all that complicated, and is already implemented 23:52:26 right, I didn't realise it was already implemented 23:52:54 I mean, a few people may go 'what the heck just happened?', but other than that I doubt it will has an appreciable gameplay effect 23:52:59 <|amethyst> unless there's new stuff, the only compat changes are the new feature abyssal_stair, and setting abyss depth when loading an old save 23:53:33 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:54:20 I'm content confuse a small number of players rather than hacking in the old abyss level generator 23:54:30 <|amethyst> I'd recommend doing testing with existing saves of course; I can give you access to some trunk CSZO saves if you want 23:54:30 confusing. I'm becoming an illiterate. 23:55:01 <|amethyst> jerky abyss had the same problem, and AFAIK no one commented on it 23:55:16 elliott: int num_monsters = 15 + div_rand_round(you.depth, 3); 23:55:23 The abyss already gets harder as you go deeper! 23:55:43 Though that was when the abyss had 27 levels 23:55:54 jerky abyss, n. abyss written by a jerk 23:56:19 bh: well, I found abyss:whatever completely indistinguishable from abyss:1 except for more gates down when I tested, personally 23:56:26 so I'd suggest scaling up both the monster and rune frequency drastically 23:56:41 Yeah, it should be obviously noticable 23:56:59 Of course, it should be more about average monster difficulty than just number of monsters, but that takes more effort :P 23:57:12 ie: not very many imps on Abyss:5 ^^; 23:57:15 elliott: 15 + you.depth * 1 + coinflip() -- that shuold ruin your day 23:57:21 DracoOmega: mon-pick! 23:57:30 I'm unqualified to work on it 23:57:41 DracoOmega: well the idea is to get this into trunk asap 23:57:52 elliott: Yes, that's what I meant about 'effort'. In the short-term sense 23:58:16 But it definitely shouldn't go into trunk without SOME obvious way in which it's harder, in my opinion 23:58:20 Or it sort of defeats the point 23:58:30 right 23:58:32 so monster spam 23:59:16 It would probably be nice if the general mon-pick changes were done before tinkering with the Abyss depth distributions, but.... 23:59:23 elliott: what if we just drop 5s from the abyss? 23:59:35 eh 23:59:38 there's more spam than just 5s 23:59:53 Some 5s are probably okay, even 23:59:56 I wouldn't tinker with monster sets right now 23:59:58 Though I wouldn't miss them either