00:02:46 hrmph. Thrashing Horror needs to get more interesting. What I've implemented is a yellow 'x' that moves like an unseen horror and has some slap attacks 00:02:50 and roars 00:03:43 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1338-gb589162 (34) 00:04:07 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:20 I suppose every monster doesn't need something spiffy 00:05:11 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1338-gb589162 (34) 00:06:21 some monsters should just be bears 00:07:38 bh: Well, I did have an idea for it that was a little more fancy. Though you're right that not all things need to be so, I suppose 00:07:59 Zannick: I broke the build or something, didn't I? 00:08:40 bh: what? where? 00:08:43 bh: go fix it. 00:08:48 Zannick: the bear thing 00:08:58 i'm just saying things 00:09:22 some monsters should just be yaks 00:09:24 or trolls 00:09:36 or spriggan firefly riders 00:09:53 maybe not all monsters 00:10:02 DracoOmega: hrmph. One of them can kill a hydra. Perhaps I made it too powerful. 00:10:41 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: what does the psychic scream thing do? 00:11:25 Smite-targetted damage that scales with the number of starcursed masses screaming at you (which starts out low) and if there are enough of them at once, it has a chance for a short-duration paralysis 00:11:52 <|amethyst> what about a chance to banish your surroundings one level deeper? 00:12:09 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:34 <|amethyst> replaced by paralysis on Abyss:$ 00:12:35 Well, that kind of gets you away from them, doesn't it? Rather than being that scary on its own? 00:12:50 <|amethyst> if it banishes everything in LOS... 00:13:00 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:13:04 Well, at the moment it only hits a single target 00:13:10 <|amethyst> ohh 00:13:17 (To be honest, I am dubious about there being banishers within the Abyss at all, if depth is supposed to represent a player choice) 00:13:54 <|amethyst> in the dungeon depth represents a choice, but we still have shafts 00:14:04 depth isn't much of a choice 00:14:10 the game tries to push you down, though it's fairly gentle 00:14:18 we have shafts and ood monsters 00:14:22 and food clock 00:14:41 what should push you down in the abyss is danger or the threat of danger or an unrelated desire to get the rune/exit faster, really 00:14:45 This is true, yes. I didn't say 'opposed', just I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the idea 00:18:54 do we want 'ancient zyme' as described on the wiki? I'm not wild about the idea 00:19:15 I think los sickness is a fine idea 00:19:21 I'd rather not having rot melee 00:19:41 -!- Spavven has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:19:53 I think los sickness + something else (not necessarily fancy) is probably fine 00:19:54 -!- eb has quit [] 00:20:12 Possibility of stat drain melee, but something else could be better 00:20:43 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1338-gb589162 00:20:49 DracoOmega: did you hear about my GOB abyss monster idea? 00:21:00 GOB? 00:21:13 giant orange brain 00:21:23 -!- eurtek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:21:27 george's older brother 00:21:41 What about the brain? 00:21:54 bh: what if thrashing horror oscillated between insane and normal? 00:22:02 like how sky beasts flicker 00:22:26 except higher frequency oscillations, probably 00:22:41 so they'd either be less dangerous but targeted at you, or quite dangerous but hitting nearby things too 00:23:02 Well, that's SORTA what I had in mind, or at least similar 00:23:30 (could also make them attack differently insane or not: e.g., gain a trample attack on insane) 00:23:35 Given that the lunges could hurt/knockback other things and were accompanied by periods where it was slower than normal 00:24:44 DracoOmega: perhaps it could have a chance to go insane each turn it doesn't hit something, and a chance to drop out of insane whenever it does 00:26:07 anyways, about the brain: visible through walls, can see through walls. gets cause fear and a fixed brain feed that does int damage but also locks out spells, both usable while it is viewing through walls 00:26:52 (it cannot walk through walls, just that all walls count as glass to it) 00:32:28 The coding for the visibility think might be tricky, but I think the idea is interesting 00:32:58 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:33:40 Eronarn: what is *insane*? 00:34:10 bh: status caused by needles of frenzy - neutral + berserk 00:34:34 yeesh. I can do that. 00:34:41 it exists as its own status 00:34:52 ENCH_BATTLE_FRENZY 00:34:57 no, that's the orc one 00:35:01 it's called ENCH_INSANE 00:35:42 void monster::go_frenzy() 00:35:44 in monster.cc 00:36:04 mhmm 00:36:15 oh that's interesting... it is not berserk, but might + haste 00:36:21 that should be fixed 00:36:25 Well, berserk is might+haste 00:36:30 and HP 00:36:31 and a HP boost 00:36:34 Yes, hp too 00:36:41 also did zerk speed get lowered? for a while it was 2x while haste was 1.5x 00:36:47 That changed back in 0.9 00:37:07 Pour a 40 for Amulet of rslow. 00:37:39 I had a HOPr who died a sad and woeful death. He had a randart big ol club of killing shit {+Rage} and an amulet of slow. Clearing swamp was fun 00:42:27 I hope it wasn't an actual club :) 00:42:34 ??great club 00:42:34 I don't have a page labeled great_club in my learndb. 00:42:45 It was something that I could beat hydras to death with 00:43:07 DracoOmega: I'm making 'abyss natives' patrol around abyssal stairs 00:44:17 -!- browncustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:46:19 large abomination, small abomination, lurking horror, tentacled monstrosity, tentacled starspawn, thrashing horror, unssen horror, wretched star. Any other natives I'm missing? 00:47:10 I suppose that depends on how native you consider the demons to be 00:47:29 demons are just passing through :) 00:48:13 Tentacled monstrosities are demons! 00:48:28 <|amethyst> ranked demons are different 00:48:44 I think the obvious thing is to create a new MH_ enum. ;) 00:48:46 <|amethyst> having a number implies they're associated with hell or pan in some way 00:48:51 <|amethyst> MH_ELDRITCH 00:49:22 Honestly, that would be handy, though I don't know how it would be different than nonliving at the moment, nor if it even should be 00:50:16 |amethyst: functionally how would that be different from MH_DEMON? 00:50:59 Well, I assume holy wrath would not work 00:51:45 <|amethyst> bh: would keep demons from polymorphing into eldritch things and vice versa 00:51:56 SGTM 00:52:13 <|amethyst> That could probably be done in other ways though 00:52:53 <|amethyst> adding a new holiness does have a lot of complications (particularly concerning god conducts) so best to avoid it if possible 00:53:22 Nonliving probably works okay for a bunch of them 00:53:40 should give zin his brand for working on eldritch stuff 00:53:49 but only maces would be blessable with it 00:54:38 non-living is bad. it preverts 'zerking 00:54:44 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:54:49 Demons can't berserk either, I don't think 00:56:19 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:58:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:59:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:02:29 -!- bza has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06:59 demons should be able to berserk imo 01:07:38 also a new holiness for eldritch stuff is good imo 01:07:46 and can we remove the dumb undead demon abomination thing 01:07:50 that was always an awful idea 01:10:53 -!- Nexos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:19:30 -!- araganzar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:24:30 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:19 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:28:32 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:47:58 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:58:27 Anyone have any idea why flash_view might fail to flash the view at all? 02:02:07 Nevermind, I think I was doing something silly by accident 02:11:22 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:17:56 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:20:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:12 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Client Quit] 02:36:20 -!- Senjai is now known as Senjai|ZzZz 02:37:16 Blargh, why is this crashing on me now? T.T 02:39:05 I think it may have something to do with me converting over to final_effects, but I'm quite sure how, because I AM checking that the monsters are alive first 02:39:38 -!- stabwound has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44:30 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:27 It seems to happen whenever you kill a starcursed mass with an aux attack 03:00:06 It's kind of odd, since it works fine if the monster dies and it works fine if the monster is his by multiple attacks in a single round, but not if BOTH of those things happen 03:05:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:13:17 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:15:48 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 03:18:24 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:14 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:48 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:48 -!- Azzkikr_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:42:40 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:44:47 -!- wasd22_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:30 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:51:48 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:54 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 04:04:12 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:50 DracoOmega: about drawing clouds over monsters... have you seen the tilepicking code? there's just no way currently to have more than one background and one foreground tile. all the things that add more tiles use various hacks (tile flags, overlays, tileidx_known_base_item) to get the information to the renderer, and none of those hacks would even work in this situation. 04:06:44 DracoOmega: so sure, it would be possible to do in a hacky way, but I'd prefer not to make the tiles code even worse 04:06:59 I'm sure there must be a way to do it in a more reasonable manner 04:07:10 yes, rewriting the tile picking code 04:08:33 I spent a while in related code today, though not quite that part, I think 04:08:55 (which I'd really like to do someday, but there's too much other more important stuff) 04:09:05 yes, the tiles code has many layers ;) 04:10:03 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:10:22 That much I did notice 04:11:03 I might like to take a look at the more relevant sections myself in more detail tomorrow 04:11:12 But I've clocked too many hours on Crawl code stuff today as it is :) 04:11:38 basically, after tiles for dungeon features/monsters/items get chosen, they are put into env.tile_fg and env.tile_bg, and then later (from viewwindow()) they are put into a tile_cell 04:12:34 in old versions, this was kind of necessary because of how out-of-los tiles were remembered 04:14:35 but now that that uses map_knowledge, out-of-los tiles can be regenerated when needed, and this whole indirection with env.tile_fg is (I think) unnecessary 04:15:57 That does sound like it might take some serious refactoring to take that out of the works 04:16:41 Though I don't immediately see why you couldn't, say, add another member like env.tile_overlay to cover clouds and things. Or is that the very thing you wanted not to do? 04:17:16 yes, that would be what I see as making it worse 04:18:10 Well, it probably WOULD be expedient. But I certainly cannot argue that the tile code could be a lot clearer and use a LOT less indirection 04:18:21 couldn't* 04:20:01 I can't say that I would be completely opposed to a patch that does this, but I wouldn't do it myself 04:21:45 anyway, if you really want to take a look at the relevant code, the places to start would probably be tile_draw_map_cell and viewwindow 04:22:25 Yeah. Like I said, I was back and forth over a lot of the related code today, except I was looking moreso for something else so I didn't really note how hard this kind of change would be 04:22:35 I might still take a look for it tomorrow 04:23:29 Or I might just hit these starcursed masses so more ^^; 04:23:30 some* 04:26:16 Part of me is reluctant to volunteer to tidy up the tile picking code because it... doesn't seem like a particularly enjoyable task 04:27:24 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 04:31:48 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34:58 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:26 yes ;) 04:38:46 hm, wait, no 04:38:54 it would be very enjoyable ;) 04:39:00 Haha 04:39:02 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:56 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:07 -!- Senjai|ZzZz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:47:42 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:48:53 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:50:21 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:51:16 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53:44 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:55:52 !tell bh an idea for active god wraths: when, during a god tick, the active wrath is rolled, it must pass a xp_gained_since_last_wrath / xp_for_level chance. This would mean tarrying still makes you suffer more wraths, but not to such an extreme degree. 04:55:53 kilobyte: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 04:55:53 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 04:56:53 |amethyst: having MH_ELDRITCH doesn't sound bad; we currently have eldritch monsters be randomly demonic or unliving 04:59:34 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1338-gb589162 05:00:56 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:03:48 -!- Crazylemon65 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:11:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:15:19 -!- morgant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20:44 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:24:30 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:24:36 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:35:50 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:40:44 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:45:12 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:24 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:56:44 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:32 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:51 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:34:28 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:36:37 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:37:26 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:41:15 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:23 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 06:46:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:51:32 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 06:53:53 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:55:50 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:00:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:09:50 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:44 uniquecide: what's the point of keeping Dissolution? 07:13:04 ...keeping? what did i miss 07:13:20 it's not TRJ? 07:13:24 so, variety? 07:13:34 there are theme problems (a sentient jelly), and he has nothing interesting other than summoning eyes (ie, having to choose between rMut and stasis) 07:14:59 !lg * ikiller=dissolution s=cv 07:14:59 8 games for * (ikiller=dissolution s=cv): 2x 0.8, 2x 0.7, 0.9, 0.5, 0.10-a, 0.10 07:16:55 personally I would keep Dissolution to dispose of rubbish efficiently... though teaching it what can and can't be eaten would be messy, I guess. 07:17:35 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 07:18:09 no rubbish in Slime :p 07:18:22 -!- yobbo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:18:50 but I suppose you're referring to keeping it in game, not as a pet, so nevermind 07:19:50 :p 07:20:00 also, we forgot about Maud 07:20:16 hah 07:21:29 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:22:03 Wiglafization could potentially help, although as a melee-only threat, it's too easy to kite her if she receives a straigh melee buff 07:22:11 mmmm loguno faith 07:22:19 banish -everything- 07:22:38 Louise 07:24:56 Well summon eyes is a fairly intersting spell to be honest 07:25:05 it's just that Dissolution is slow 07:25:12 @??dissolution 07:25:12 Dissolution (13J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 180 | AC/EV: 10/1 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(112), 03poison, 08acid, asphyx | XP: 13211 | Sp: eyeballs | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 07:25:25 regular speed now, has been sped up recently 07:25:32 oh 07:25:39 give it haste 07:27:02 @?? the royal jelly 07:27:02 royal jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(196), 03poison, 08acid, asphyx | XP: 15000 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 07:27:14 %git 0f900533 07:27:14 03elliptic * 0.11-a0-1657-g0f90053: Make Dissolution speed 10. 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f900533dbb0 07:30:21 even with speed >10 he'd be a bigger non-cold azure jelly 07:30:46 (a fast melee threat) 07:31:40 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:46 he could merge with other Js, reverse TRJ 07:31:48 a fast melee threat that pops out eyeballs........... 07:33:21 cold make TRJ spawn Dissolution if TRJ doesn't die quick enough? 07:33:48 trj spawns disso, disso merges with trj 07:34:12 rinse, repeat 07:34:17 phyphor: problematic because Dissolution is somehow sentient 07:34:23 ah, yes 07:34:30 of *course* dissloution is sentient 07:34:40 Well, obviously Dissolution worships Ash not Jiyva 07:35:26 disso's flavour is that he's a normal ol person that worshiped jiyva and then got turned into a slime, right? 07:35:36 or was that just someone making things up and telling them to me.... 07:35:50 I think I thought that then got told I was wrong 07:35:54 so .. I know nothing :( 07:36:35 The Pits of Slime used to be a thriving civilization, and Dissolution was the 07:36:38 prophet of their god. When the city was overtaken by its current residents, 07:36:41 only Dissolution survived, for he alone turned faithfully to the Slime God. 07:36:41 monqy: his discription is the backstory of slime 07:36:43 Dissolution became a tremendous mass of acidic ooze, yet retained his 07:36:46 intelligence. He is filled with hatred for anything that can hold a form. 07:36:52 yeah 07:36:59 which is a good reason to keep him in my view, that stuff is cool 07:37:11 I think disso is worth keeping 07:37:12 and in my reason this is the primary reason to axe him 07:37:16 maud however................... 07:37:46 kilobyte: doesn't that require changes to Jiyva aswell then? 07:39:10 st_: to the contrary, his removal would fix theme issues with Jiyva 07:39:48 currently killing TRJ will make Jiyva die as "it has no worshippers anymore" -- even if Dissolution is alive 07:39:54 right, yeah 07:41:38 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: brb] 07:44:32 -!- User__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:47:03 i dont see a problem with dissolution 07:47:13 i mean, hes super rare, ive never seen him 07:47:30 just a cool thing to sometimes spice slime up a bit 07:48:41 kilobyte: Make it so that Jiyva dies because it's worshippers aren't strong enough to maintain it anymore. Dissolution is a lot weaker in faith than TRJ? 07:49:12 TRJ is mindless so there's no such thing as faith... 07:49:29 hmm 07:49:39 well there's worship apperantly? 07:55:37 it was me who added Dissolution, too, in the dark times when a name and a non-human race was enough to be considered an "interesting unique" 07:57:21 there are no launchers of chaos, even with Xom 07:57:27 kilobyte: were you serious about that? 07:58:15 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:59:16 ChrisOelmueller: there's no code for them, so they'd do nothing 07:59:31 okay that's a lie then 07:59:32 also, there's an assertion if you try to place one 07:59:42 i've been using them several times 07:59:45 ammunition of chaos sort of works 07:59:45 and they *do* stuff 08:00:44 Xom's chaos upgrade refuses launchers, too 08:01:07 not for monsters 08:01:32 and there also is e.g. the off-brand shop selling chaos missiles 08:02:37 missiles are ok except for code duplication 08:02:47 and should you now be inclined to remove chaos launchers, i'd try to convince you that they are very fun and should stay instead 08:04:08 -!- rkd has quit [] 08:10:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:11:24 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:18 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:43:12 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:45:56 there seems to be spam in mantis 5842 08:47:02 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:47:34 <|amethyst> !tell Napkin deleted spam from user manimussadiq on https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5842 08:47:35 |amethyst: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 08:49:17 what's the point of "Are you sure you want to win?", again? 08:49:25 kilobyte: what about just prerolling whether dissolution is going to be placed, if it's really a concern at all? 08:52:04 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:56:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte: what about guaranteeding dissolution :) 08:56:23 <|amethyst> Slime:3 miniboss 08:56:31 <|amethyst> s/eedi/eei/ 08:56:41 alefury: thanks - did you delete him everywhere? 08:56:41 Napkin: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:56:53 *|amethyst 08:57:05 <|amethyst> alefury: don't know how to search by commenter 08:57:07 <|amethyst> err 08:57:11 i didnt delete him at all 08:57:12 <|amethyst> Napkin: don't know how to search by commenter 08:57:18 also im confused now 08:58:38 <|amethyst> Napkin: no reports by that user anyway 08:58:55 kill it! 08:59:03 what was the spam? 08:59:06 opinion? 08:59:46 obviously it's a throw-away account that will never log in again 08:59:50 <|amethyst> something like "I'm interested in your stuff, could you take a look at this website?" and a link (unrelated to roguelikes or gaming) 09:00:02 <|amethyst> generic comment spam 09:01:15 ok 09:02:42 from pakistan.. 09:03:17 deleted his account and verified he didn't spam forums, |amethyst 09:03:25 <|amethyst> if you search for that name, you see a lot of forum posts to various unrelated forums, but once you click on one it's been deleted of course 09:03:30 <|amethyst> thanks 09:03:34 sorry alefury for the fuss ;) 09:03:40 <|amethyst> I didn't see the name on tavern or the wiki 09:03:53 good 09:04:00 wiki uses the same db as mantis 09:04:16 while phpbb3 imports the user into its own db on first login 09:04:20 <|amethyst> ah 09:04:59 <|amethyst> you know, that's the first piece of spam I've seen on the official sites since I joined a year ago 09:05:28 <|amethyst> when I was editing the chaosforge wiki, it had dozens of spams a day 09:05:34 there has been account spam recently, but they didn't manage to post somewhere yet 09:05:51 so.. it was a first today :) 09:06:29 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:30 if spammers will ever become a problem, it's enough to ask a trivial Crawl-related question. "What's the glyph for the player character?" 09:07:44 that'd get rid of both spammers and tile folks :p 09:07:44 <|amethyst> kilobyte: nice try, Mr Anti-Tiles 09:07:55 hehehe 09:08:01 i like the idea :D 09:08:19 kilobyte: and those who use species glyphs 09:08:41 <|amethyst> to be fair, half the time it should ask you to line up early-D uniques with their tiles 09:08:42 phyphor: such folks set that themselves 09:09:00 well, we can add a console screenshot ;) 09:09:07 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:26 <|amethyst> "Terence murdered your family. Select him out of the following line-up." 09:09:49 |amethyst: @@@@@ 09:09:57 ChrisOelmueller: it's that one 09:10:38 "that's not Terence, that's Nikola!" 09:10:46 (both are lightcyan @) 09:11:03 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:11:04 (also why is nobody merging Eronarn's improvements to said uniques) 09:12:44 ChrisOelmueller: probably because i never made a branch containing only those 09:13:00 that is no excuse 09:13:04 or where are lava orcs 09:13:16 -!- Dedagen has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:13:27 ChrisOelmueller: lava orcs are merge-ready as soon as i find a pliable developer 09:13:45 see, they don't get merged even if they have their own branch 09:14:54 wrt the improvements: make harold a tengu; make jessica a high elf with more necro stuff 09:15:01 forget what else i tried out 09:15:12 oh, make norris a demigod 09:15:17 <|amethyst> technically rriegs's Lumpy Terence is still sitting in merge requests 09:15:24 lumpy terence is an awful idea 09:15:26 <|amethyst> oh, sorry 09:15:39 <|amethyst> it's not, and it was wensley's 09:15:42 Lumpy Terence? 09:15:54 kilobyte: unique pulsating lump 09:16:01 hah 09:16:03 <|amethyst> https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/merge_requests/20 09:16:15 @??harold 09:16:16 Harold (09@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 76 | AC/EV: 0/8 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1238 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), blink | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 09:16:22 ^ totally a tengu 09:16:38 ^ totally an AXED_MON 09:16:38 just give him some auxes 09:16:49 <|amethyst> auxes, the axe 09:17:00 kilobyte: is he slated for removal? tenguize him instead 09:18:14 <|amethyst> We need some Felid uniques too 09:19:01 Harold, Frances, Frederick (slightly less useless, but come on, high-hd for iron shot is his only shtick), Blork, Eustachio 09:19:16 <|amethyst> I like Eustachio 09:19:28 <|amethyst> he's the earliest summoner you're likely to run into 09:19:30 |amethyst: proposed with a Hello Kitty theme 09:19:53 as discussed earlier today, Dissection 09:20:57 wtf, frederick is being removed? 09:21:01 perhaps Josephine 09:21:12 he's a very good vanilla unique 09:21:41 eustachio is great, also 09:21:48 Rupert 09:21:52 what. 09:22:20 i'd rather have rupert with magical paralysis again for no reason than have him be removed 09:22:56 Ctele 09:22:57 perhaps he could get an amulet of rage as some explanation 09:23:12 <|amethyst> make him a trog worshipper 09:23:18 hes just rupert? 09:23:22 blork i can see axeing, but i'd rather see him tweaked 09:23:35 |amethyst: he casts paralysis for some reason 09:23:40 frederick, blork and eustachio are all nice 09:23:42 frances is only worth keeping if francis is still in, i forget 09:23:50 and confuse 09:23:54 whats wrong with casting paralysis? 09:23:59 alefury: it's not a player spell 09:24:00 lots of mosnsters do it 09:24:07 hes not a player 09:24:20 whats wrong with you people? 09:24:24 alefury: it's a problem if he becomes a Trog worshipper 09:24:26 alefury: sure, but in general the @ uniques hew closer to what players have accessible 09:24:28 <|amethyst> they're not flavoured as spells anyway 09:24:47 there are some exceptions to that and they often feel weird 09:24:52 why make him a trog worshiper? maybe he has anger issues 09:24:53 like norris having brain feed 09:24:59 well making him not-@ is just fine then 09:25:05 it never felt weird to me... 09:25:16 monsters do stuff 09:25:21 thats their thing 09:25:22 also: has it been discussed just giving rupert petrify instead of para? 09:25:44 Eronarn: everything and their dog has petrify these days 09:25:45 <|amethyst> it's kind of hard to explain someone's roar actually turning you to stone 09:26:00 |amethyst: i mean making him a spellcaster again 09:26:19 <|amethyst> kind of goes against the Tarzan theme 09:26:31 the roar is a dumb gimmick I placed only because casting Berserk became an unthing 09:26:31 |amethyst: i'm thinking a D&D 'ranger', more or less 09:26:46 RNG sucks! 09:26:52 @??rupert 09:26:52 Rupert (04@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 123 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(106) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2993 | Sp: paralyse, confuse, berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 09:27:15 re monsters doing weird stuff, what about wiglaf? he still worships some old god 09:27:21 what about: petrify, leda's, amulet of rage :> 09:27:42 how about giving him zerkitis? 09:27:58 lumpy rupert 09:28:06 alefury: oh, that's a good idea... i had considered that as a guaranteed rage weapon, but the mutation makes sense 09:28:39 we don't have enough mutated uniques, either 09:28:43 would mean he can only zerk when he attacks, and it takes no time 09:28:43 alefury: I thought about Finesse, but then he'd become trivial to kite 09:29:04 monqy: <3 09:29:19 kilobyte: could give wiglaf telecontrol + wand of tele :> 09:30:10 perhaps guaranteed potions of speed 09:30:29 it would give incentive to kill him quickly before he blows the charges (scrolls if we feel a wand is too powerful), and dwarves using items seems fitting 09:30:34 swiftness mutation 09:30:56 wiglaf is a removed species 09:31:03 what else to worship than a ruined god 09:31:25 at least Wiglaf's theme makes sense 09:31:26 it's fine if wiglaf keeps might+haste but he shouldn't be an oka worshiper if so 09:31:46 er, what happened to Wiglaf's desc? 09:32:02 one potential alternative: wiglaf is a dwarven alchemist with a ton of potions and relies on them for his fighting prowess 09:32:15 it was vandalized by transifex and then fixed? 09:32:25 'Wiglaf downs a potion of might! Wiglaf downs a potion of agility! Wiglaf downs a potion of speed!' 09:33:06 (hmm, even if that isn't used for wiglaf, that would be a fun unique... maybe make it a nerdy spellcaster type, but wearing the robe of augmentation?) 09:33:31 alchemist junkie wizard hopped up on steroid potions 09:35:11 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the flavour was changed from "avenging his mountain dwarf kin" to "burned hand and embroidered jacket" in 694ad1b 09:35:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: then the new stuff was removed but the old stuff not replaced 09:35:24 ...what 09:35:26 that's awful 09:35:43 i liked his really old desc 09:35:54 a fat dwarf with a stupid looking hat 09:36:09 or something like that 09:36:21 <|amethyst> That's the current one 09:36:26 oh, good 09:36:30 thats okay then 09:36:45 <|amethyst> the intermediate one was A fat dwarf wearing a stupid-looking hat. In Okawaru's name, he's here to avenge his mountain dwarf kin, who were driven from their lands by hill orcs and others. From the way he looks at you, he also seems to hold you responsible. 09:36:57 ugh 09:37:06 <|amethyst> now it's: A fat dwarf wearing a stupid-looking hat. He reeks of alcohol. 09:37:07 ...weird, eyes of devastation have 9 more AC than shining eyes 09:37:19 Eronarn: they are badass 09:37:40 * Eronarn is adding two new eyes :> 09:37:55 what do they do? 09:38:38 red eye: bleeding gaze, or possibly something more powerful blood-related 09:38:51 <|amethyst> 49147821 is the commit that reverted Wiglaf's description to its current, short form 09:39:02 black eye: like an eye of devastation but instead of damage the ray it shoots abysses 09:39:19 meh 09:39:43 unlike banishment, you can't hide behind stuff - multiple targets 09:40:01 but it's also a physical beam, so it's additionally EV defendable 09:40:07 <|amethyst> that would be good for abyss:1 09:40:15 yeah that was my thought 09:40:28 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:40:42 <|amethyst> bad outside abyss :) 09:40:50 |amethyst: could be fun in a few vaults, but generally yeah 09:41:03 oh, its bolts will still destroy walls 09:41:03 make elf welcome parties with it 09:41:05 by abyssing them :) 09:42:13 actually, i wonder about making the line just always go to end of LOS, so it will e.g. fire through glass walls 09:42:19 well, i'll do the basic version first anyways 09:42:51 <|amethyst> does it abyss stone as well? 09:42:54 <|amethyst> or only rock? 09:43:05 |amethyst: it can abyss stone if it is limited to spawning in abyss, i suppose 09:43:18 otherwise only rock, so people don't kite them 09:43:20 <|amethyst> I think it's better if it just doesn't 09:43:32 ooh... i know what i can do for the red eye 09:43:41 make it give you jiyva's jelly shield, but hostile :D 09:43:57 'Your blood turns into jelly under the red eye's gaze!' 09:44:17 <|amethyst> I am skeleton jelly? 09:44:50 You are? 09:44:54 * Pedjt devours |amethyst 09:44:58 i guess that would be partially scummable, in that it might get you weak jellies which would be a shield. but that's not really different from keeping a weak summoner around 09:45:11 and it would be really fun for jiyvaites to find one 09:50:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:36 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:10 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 10:00:27 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:01:04 -!- yon2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:07:38 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:09:06 -!- xxx has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:15:53 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:28:03 red eye 10:28:03 A bloated orb of bruised flesh that splits apart to reveal a bloodshot eye. It 10:28:06 leaks bloody tears wherever it floats. 10:28:56 black eye 10:28:56 An utterly black sphere the size of a boulder. A stylized eye is traced out 10:28:56 just above its surface in ribbons of crackling magenta energy. 10:29:39 still meh 10:31:55 oh my god, who did the profane servitor quote 10:31:58 they are the best person 10:32:53 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:33:32 hmm, how are we handling quoting things? sometimes there's nothing, sometimes _underline_, sometimes quotes 10:33:45 it doesn't seem to be consistent. someone convert it to MLA! 10:33:59 (though personally i do APA) 10:34:45 haha, giant frog quote is also great 10:35:15 ooh, <3 whoever used my suggestion for ghost moths 10:36:04 ick, we don't even consistently cite bible verses... 10:37:17 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:09 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 10:50:43 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:42 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:10:33 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 11:13:04 ...chaos beam can web things, but for some reason it's only 1/5 the probability of every other effect 11:13:12 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:15 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:45 -!- grasida has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:24:27 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:31:37 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:27 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzillfutter 11:33:42 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:35:01 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:35:10 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 11:36:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:40 -!- Spavven has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:15 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:19 -!- Sly_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59:59 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:04:38 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:06:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:12 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:47 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:50 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:39:55 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:50:08 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:53 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:00 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:06 how the heck does the banishment spell actually banish 13:16:31 magic 13:19:27 how the heck does miscasting banish / how the heck do disto weapons banish / how the heck do divine forces banish 13:19:41 how the heck do abyss gates banish(???) 13:22:58 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:23:32 oh i found the problem, it has to go within a certain part of the enum range for MR-resisted effects to ever be processed 13:24:44 -!- Hosg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:24:55 -!- stanzillfutter is now known as stanzill 13:26:18 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:28:14 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzillglotz 13:30:03 -!- Silurio_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:32:10 <|amethyst> Pikkle: large rocks I suspect 13:32:11 <|amethyst> doh 13:32:59 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:40:56 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:44:17 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:44:23 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:46:34 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:16 -!- pelotron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:49 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:31 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1339-gc91f34d: Give Bend Space a flat chance to blink monsters instead of an MR check 10(59 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c91f34ddfe57 14:04:48 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:57 The black eye gazes at you. The bolt of void hits your butterfly. Your butterfly dies! The bolt of void hits your four-headed hydra. Your four-headed hydra is devoured by a tear in reality. The bolt of void hits your four-headed hydra. Your four-headed hydra is devoured by a tear in reality. The bolt of void misses you. 14:06:07 -!- andrew is now known as Guest90766 14:06:26 -!- Guest90766 is now known as andrewhl 14:07:57 Maybe it's okay it starcursed merging looks kinda like the mass just dying, since they actually ARE dying half the time and I'm not sure how relevant the distinction is 14:08:13 Because every way I've experimented with indicating it visually doesn't really look that good, in my opinion 14:09:47 weird... i have something with ce_nocorpse that is leaving corpses 14:10:32 <|amethyst> Eronarn: weight = 0 is the important part 14:10:37 ah, interesting 14:10:53 Wait, then what does CE_NOCORPSE do? 14:11:01 <|amethyst> there's a comment about that in monster::body_weight in monster.cc 14:11:46 <|amethyst> # weight == 0 in the monster entry indicates "no corpse". Can't use CE_NOCORPSE, because the corpse-effect field is used for corpseless monsters to indicate what happens if their blood is sucked. Grrrr. 14:12:16 That... doesn't sound right. I mean, I'm not saying it's inaccurate, but it's still unintuitive 14:12:23 <|amethyst> e.g. green death has CE_POISON_CONTAM 14:12:37 I didn't know demons HAD blood 14:13:19 <|amethyst> boggart and klowns have CE_CONTAMINATED, and green death has CE_POISON_CONTAM 14:13:28 <|amethyst> well, in this case I guess it probably affects ignite poison 14:13:36 Ah, yes, I suppose 14:14:10 <|amethyst> hm 14:14:20 <|amethyst> unborn deep dwarf look buggy then 14:14:26 <|amethyst> they have a weight of 600 but CE_NOCORPSE 14:14:40 <|amethyst> s/dwarf/dwarves/ 14:14:48 Well, it's sort of hard to tell what an unborn IS, as such 14:15:16 The description says they're sort of a lich but not, I think 14:15:28 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:14 <|amethyst> hm, I'm not sure what stops them from leaving corpses, but they appear not to 14:17:09 Something about them being undead? Though a few undead do as well.... 14:26:21 ughhh, ouch() is the worst function 14:30:29 <|amethyst> oh, they do leave corpses 14:30:51 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:31:06 <|amethyst> but since the corpse is of the species type (MONS_DEEP_DWARF), it's edible 14:31:08 if (dam > 0 && menv[death_source].type == MONS_BLACK_EYE) 14:31:15 i'm sure this will lead to hilarious hijinx at some point 14:31:30 -!- rawrmage_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:31:31 <|amethyst> err 14:31:46 <|amethyst> can't death_source be something other than a monster index? 14:32:45 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:32:46 <|amethyst> or has that possibility already been eliminated earlier? 14:34:48 <|amethyst> I see the ENCH_WRETCHED check in ouch.c has an explicit && !invalid_monster_index(death_source) && 14:34:54 <|amethyst> ouch.cc 14:35:29 -!- johnthebear has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:35:29 -!- DaneiTWO has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:36:15 <|amethyst> but also the other issues 14:36:26 <|amethyst> e.g. what if a spellcaster gets polymorphed into a black eye 14:36:43 <|amethyst> or what if we wanted to make a unique black eye 14:37:05 yeah, unfortunately the structure of the function prevents actually good ways of doing it 14:37:32 <|amethyst> what is this doing? 14:37:42 <|amethyst> if the damage comes from a black eye, then what? 14:37:57 |amethyst: if it deals damage, it triggers a banishment attempt 14:38:01 It might be more 'correct' to make a new damage flavor for that 14:38:46 <|amethyst> I don't know about that, but I'd try to avoid doing it in ouch 14:39:08 <|amethyst> is this a spell? 14:39:16 monster spell, yeah 14:39:27 <|amethyst> a new spell? 14:39:51 yeah 14:40:17