00:01:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1326-g7690b65 (34) 00:07:55 Wow, THAT'S a long time to go without noticing such a change as this 00:07:58 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:08:11 I thought it must have been a recent regression, but apparently it was changed as far back as 0.8 >.>; 00:09:10 (The little flash that shows up when an enchantment affects a creature was changed to be drawn UNDER it, which makes it really hard to see if the creature itself is large) 00:09:39 But it happens quickly enough that I hadn't really noticed until I was just trying to use it with starcursed masses, whose tile is so big that it's essentially entirely invisible 00:10:31 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:02 (Though I sort of suspect this is unintentional, given that the code still calls it an 'overlay') 00:27:10 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:27:19 -!- Spavven has quit [Client Quit] 00:27:32 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:29:56 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 00:36:42 <|amethyst> nice... just ran into a centaur with rod of the swarm 00:36:54 <|amethyst> I was like "where are all these bugs coming from???" 00:37:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 00:39:10 |amethyst: iirc there is no message when a monster uses that rod 00:39:16 or for a lot of monster spells 00:39:18 it is sort of bad 00:43:49 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: also must hug Saber because she's cute and I love her] 00:46:53 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:57:11 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:53 !messages 00:58:53 No messages for bh. 00:58:56 -!- jeremie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:02:08 I'm modifying the tilling worm to pop nearby tiles into (sometimes dangerous) clouds. I'm using the same code that forest wyrms use to trample trees, but I'm not quite sure how to make it time independent 01:05:56 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:11:07 hrm. I guess since it's tied to the worm moving it should already be independent'ish 01:16:54 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: auf wiedersehen] 01:19:43 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:23:24 -!- SamB_XP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:25 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:48 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 01:28:05 -!- archl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:18 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:29:28 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:32:38 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:44:23 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:01 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:03:35 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:03:58 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:58 -!- SamB_XP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:24 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:02 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:11:33 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:16:43 03bh 07[inception] * 0.12-a0-1374-g30ec1ee: Abyss bestiary vault 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 23+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=30ec1eeab163 02:20:37 -!- tkappleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:59 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30:37 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:05 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:40 okay... making newvaults stairs never together was easy enough 02:37:49 one step towards success 02:40:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 02:42:25 -!- DaneiTWO has quit [] 02:44:54 -!- G-Flex has quit [] 02:56:23 -!- thened has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:24 -!- thened_ is now known as thened 02:57:22 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:58:41 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:50 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:48 -!- bza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:13 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:32:58 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1327-g2cb2864: Don't abort local tile games when a controlling terminal gets closed. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2cb2864c6084 03:40:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:51:16 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:08 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:58:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:12:58 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:17:22 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:18:08 -!- SamB_XP_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:58 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:31:20 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 04:33:43 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:48 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:00:04 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1327-g2cb2864 05:03:23 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:13:02 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 05:20:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:08 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:04 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:23:48 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:23:49 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 05:41:00 CookiezEater (L1 SECK) ERROR: range check error (34 / 34) (D:1) 05:50:46 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:09 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:56:33 !lm CookieEater type=crash -log 05:56:33 No milestones for CookieEater (type=crash). 05:56:41 !lm CookiezEater type=crash -log 05:56:42 1. CookiezEater, XL1 SECK, T:1 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/CookiezEater/crash-CookiezEater-20121213-114100.txt 05:58:37 -!- Storm_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:00:32 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:00:47 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 06:01:30 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:36 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:10:33 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzillbrb 06:11:35 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:18:57 -!- Sabaki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35:11 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:23 geez.. centaur and terrance in d2 and giant frog in d3? at 3100 turns only? 06:38:53 well, apparently you got past terrance and the centaur, so it cant be that bad :P 06:39:11 also past the frog, it seems 06:42:30 but unexplored levels suck 06:44:20 you need the stuff you find in the first few levels.. forcing one down in such a rush is not nice 06:54:11 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54:43 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:16 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:19:54 I just got "No rule to make target 'mon_resist_def.h', needed by 'l_spells.o' while trying to make crawl 07:20:05 that doesn't sound like something on my end, but is it? 07:20:27 st_: did you build an ancient version before from the same directory? 07:20:59 the makefile sucks, you might need to manually "make clean" 07:21:04 yes, I have just updated my submodules, pulled and then maked for the first time in like 6 months 07:21:10 ah okay 07:21:26 heck, I've seen it need a manual purge of *.d 07:21:57 a complete rewrite is overdue, but it's not like there are more pressing issues 07:35:37 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:10 built fine now, thanks 07:38:10 -!- kilobyte has quit [Quit: If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.] 07:38:27 -!- Jayrays has quit [] 07:39:02 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:10 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:42:11 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:02:13 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:02:33 -!- stanzillbrb is now known as stanzillholz 08:14:31 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:31 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:42 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:22:16 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:22:53 -!- Pikkle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:23:24 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:41 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:44:21 -!- raskol has quit [Client Quit] 08:45:50 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:48:05 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:50:19 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:51:15 !seen marvinpa 08:51:16 I last saw MarvinPA at Thu Dec 13 05:14:43 2012 UTC (9h 36m 33s ago) quitting with message Read error: Connection reset by peer. 08:51:16 I last saw MarvinPA at Thu Dec 13 02:20:38 2012 UTC (12h 30m 38s ago) joining the channel. 08:51:58 looks like henzell has been sleeping on duty 08:52:26 !tell marvinpa proposal for Veh gift weighting formula: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5690&p=86935#p86935 08:52:26 galehar: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 09:00:15 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:03:43 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:09:12 -!- MalfermitaKodo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24:08 -!- kek has quit [Quit: f00d] 09:48:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:48:55 -!- Namey has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:38 -!- pantaril has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:57:55 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:29 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 10:22:51 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:58 -!- rast- is now known as rast 10:30:46 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: you have a !tell from galehar regarding Veh gift weighting 10:31:40 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:03 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:44:26 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:46:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 11:05:54 |amethystzell 11:05:58 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Quit: Talk is cheap because the supply exceeds the demand.] 11:06:26 -!- Ug has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09:56 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:28 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:15:20 -!- ZooMan has quit [Client Quit] 11:15:52 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:36 -!- yon2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:20:59 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:21:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:22:11 -!- stanzillholz is now known as stanzill 11:25:49 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 11:27:32 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:27 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:44:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:38 -!- Pthingg has quit [Client Quit] 11:49:03 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00:50 -!- rkd has quit [] 12:01:31 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:15 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:07:41 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:59 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:54 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:13:21 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:16 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:17:49 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:35 -!- MorganL has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 12:34:47 -!- maha has quit [Client Quit] 12:45:28 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:00 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:51:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:54:28 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 12:57:39 -!- bleak` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:57:39 -!- bleak is now known as bleak` 13:00:11 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzillwech 13:09:02 Is there anything on the to-do list w/r/t web tiles lag? I'd like to read through the code. 13:09:17 err, all the code, but I'd like to see if I can help that 13:09:28 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:43 -!- jlas9 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:16 -!- johnstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:44 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:36:26 the code is available via git 13:37:10 the lag is mostly a browser thing afaik 14:02:20 <|amethyst> Pikkle: edlothiol is the person you want to talk to 14:02:32 thank you 14:05:37 <|amethyst> Pikkle: http://b.snapfizzle.com/2009/09/windows-7-nagles-algorithm-and-gaming/ might help but might not 14:05:43 <|amethyst> if you're on Windows 14:06:44 <|amethyst> There was some other relevant discussion in https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4136 14:07:16 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1328-gfac81a7: Fix Jiyva stat action to use the new carrying capacity formula. 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fac81a7b0fbf 14:07:16 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1329-g93df097: Prevent digging from influencing teleportation. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=93df097427e1 14:07:30 -!- kek has quit [Quit: switch] 14:07:33 -!- mcevers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:07:33 <|amethyst> edlothiol has made some recent changes to improve performance (particularly, by compressing the message stream), but it doesn't work on all browsers 14:07:49 <|amethyst> and I don't know how much it helps latency, anyway 14:08:03 i thought the main problem was some built-in delay with websockets or something? 14:08:29 <|amethyst> that could be the Nagle thing 14:08:32 i even remember talk about some setting of some browser that helped, but would cause other problems 14:08:51 <|amethyst> yeah, sounds like disabling Nagle's algorithm 14:08:54 well, in the case of older browsers, the compression increases latency since their js engines are just too slow 14:09:22 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:35 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:10:12 alefury: yeah, there's no built-in delay in websockets except nagle (which applies to all tcp) 14:10:34 hmkay... 14:10:52 there was such a thing in warcraft 3 online play 14:11:01 edlothiol amethyst thank you very much, I'm on OSX but I just needed a starting point 14:11:09 eventually people hacked their way around it, but it took ages 14:11:14 Pikkle: what browser are you using? 14:11:30 safari 6.0.2 os x 14:11:49 Lag is extremely inconsistent - sometimes feels like playing local, sometimes unplayably slow 14:12:08 which server are you playing on, and from where? 14:12:33 <|amethyst> alefury: yeah, see that link I sent you, and also http://support.microsoft.com/kb/328890 14:12:55 <|amethyst> s/sent you/posted (the snapfizzle one)/ 14:14:38 im actually on xp, and dont even play webtiles 14:14:54 the warcraft 3 thing was actually a warcraft 3 thing, in warcraft 3 14:15:07 it was stupid 14:15:37 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I don't suppose websockets has any way to set O_NDELAY ? 14:16:11 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 14:16:35 no 14:16:56 thanks for the links though 14:17:09 1learn add guru_wisdom the warcraft 3 thing was actually a warcraft 3 thing, in warcraft 3 14:17:19 edlothiol: CSZO, from NYC 14:17:37 elliott: yes. 14:17:45 FWIW, right now play is blazing. 14:17:58 About half an hour ago I was taking about 7 seconds per action. 14:17:59 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Changing server] 14:18:11 <|amethyst> hm 14:18:12 that's ... a lot 14:18:14 that sounds like a very different problem 14:18:35 does it change suddenly? 14:19:15 well, CSZO has lag spikes in console also 14:19:34 I have had them a few times in the last day or two 14:19:47 so I sort of doubt this has anything to do with webtiles 14:20:10 edlothiol: Yes. 14:21:03 though I guess I could have had spectators in webtiles 14:21:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:23:02 <|amethyst> I'm not seeing any major difference in the badwidth plots between 30 minutes ago and now. It fluctuates in the 400 Kbps to 1.2 Mbps range 14:23:39 <|amethyst> the spikes are probably sequell et al polling 14:23:46 <|amethyst> doesn't explain the lag, though 14:28:53 cpu load has been a problem for cdo 14:30:26 -!- Ero has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:31 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:31 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1330-g90226f8: Don't let DD and bloodless Vp recover from sickness/nausea more quickly with regen items. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90226f87eeac 14:33:23 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:23 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:48 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:48 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:38 -!- oph_school has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:38 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:43 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [*.net *.split] 14:34:43 -!- Mandevil has quit [*.net *.split] 14:34:43 -!- bza has quit [*.net *.split] 14:34:43 -!- scummos has quit [*.net *.split] 14:34:43 -!- Nightbeer has quit [*.net *.split] 14:34:44 -!- crazedpsyc has quit [*.net *.split] 14:34:44 -!- Eronarn has quit [*.net *.split] 14:34:44 -!- Zannick has quit [*.net *.split] 14:35:20 -!- crazed- is now known as crazedpsyc 14:35:28 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:59 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40:14 Pikkle: maybe ping me here the next time you have lag that bad 14:40:20 kk 14:42:13 -!- ColdPie_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:41 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:47:17 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:32 -!- blackcustard has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:32 -!- elliptic has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:32 -!- Sizzell has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:32 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:32 -!- odiv has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:32 -!- iasov has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:33 -!- ColdPie has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:33 -!- scrubnub has quit [*.net *.split] 14:47:33 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 14:49:22 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 14:50:54 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:52:07 -!- scrubnub has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:04 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:51 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:01 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:00:12 -!- stanzillwech is now known as stanzill 15:00:28 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 15:14:48 -!- cybie04 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:26:17 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 15:26:44 -!- Pikkle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:28:50 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:52 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:36 -!- yobbo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:38:21 -!- morgant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:40:28 -!- BorekL has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 15:44:59 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:54:42 -!- Medra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:49 -!- Insomniak` has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:23 the recent stealth change is good, but there are still many quircks in how monsters look for the player 16:00:35 handle_behaviour is called twice per turn 16:01:19 mon->foe_memory is only reduced by 1. Should be reduced by you.time_taken, but then it needs to be initialized with a higher value 16:01:54 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 16:03:01 also, if you fail the stealth check, monster knows your exact location, else, it goes back to wandering. 16:03:17 could be improved I think 16:04:17 like picking the target randomly in a circle which radius depends on stealth 16:04:32 so escaping in corridors would be much more efficient than in open space 16:04:50 anyone interested in this stuff? elliptic? Maybe i should put it on the wiki 16:05:30 I doubt I'll have the time to do anything very involved with it 16:05:42 so putting on the wiki might be good 16:06:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:06:39 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:06:46 ok. and what do you think of the idea of randomizing the target location instead of the current binary check? 16:07:26 I'm not sure exactly how that would work 16:07:35 -!- Kaput has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:05 do you mean doing that instead of wandering? is this supposed to completely replace the current clairvoyance? 16:08:56 yes. Instead of suddenly stopping, the monster keeps tracking until foe_memory is nil 16:09:08 which needs to have a more sane value 16:09:50 maybe foe_memory could be reduced when the check is done based on player distance. So if you flee fast, you're more likely to lose it 16:10:11 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:12 and the new target would be not exactly the player's location, but something within some radius? 16:10:18 yes 16:11:09 it sounds potentially good, yeah 16:11:41 ok, cool 16:14:42 -!- somatism has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:26 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:45 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:27:52 ??lantern of shadows 16:27:52 lantern of shadows[1/1]: While wielded, periodically summons friendly shadows (which counts as necromancy to the good gods), reduces LOS by 25%, makes everything appear dark, and acts as negative two spell enhancers ("extremely numb sensation" if unenhanced). Possibly useful for abyss escape, and attacking from out of LOS. Sets stealth to 0. 16:28:04 hoooly fuck 16:28:10 $1450 16:28:49 wrong channel 16:28:58 actually probably right channel 16:29:05 because seriously fuck these misc prices 16:32:20 actually, it was the wrong channel, lol 16:32:29 i thought I still had ##crawl open 16:33:01 anyways, I joined becuase I wanted to ask about a monster description I had suggested a month or so back 16:33:45 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1331-g5be6201: Nerf wizlab_cigotuvi loot. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5be6201682c0 16:34:03 someone had forwarded me to some sort of contribution site, but I couldn't figure it out 16:34:22 so I was wondering if someone could either help me, or do it themselves 16:34:59 there's a quote from Naked Lunch that I think would be quite fitting for the description of Giant Centepede 16:35:21 www.sics.se/~piak/poesi/PoetryClub/NakedLunch.html 16:35:30 ^ first paragraph 16:37:40 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:45:00 <|amethyst> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/dcss/ submit it under English / quotes (not English (Australian), that's for stuff that's already been merged into trunk) 16:46:48 how exactly do I submit it? 16:47:11 i don't know how to use transifex 16:47:58 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:48:18 <|amethyst> oh, first you have to join the English team... create a transifex account message galehar with your account name/email so he can add you 16:48:38 :S 16:48:47 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:50 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:01 <|amethyst> then you click on English, quotes, and click on Translate now 16:49:10 this is just a one-time thing, I don't plan on being a constant submitter 16:50:33 <|amethyst> well then, I guess I can add it 16:51:07 would you? I'd appreciate it 16:51:07 <|amethyst> I'm not in the English team either... maybe I should take galehar up on his offer to be an administrator so I can do user management 16:51:16 do it up 16:52:20 yes, managing transifex is even more fun than using it 16:54:14 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:54:43 thanks in advance, |amethyst 16:55:01 elliptic: rip ring of regeneration on my DDs :( 16:55:11 ChrisOelmueller: don't tell me you used that :P 16:55:18 i was the one reporting the bug 16:55:20 twice :p 16:55:24 oh it is reported? 16:55:28 I should go find the issue then 16:55:28 well i told you :P 16:55:36 oh 16:55:43 and yes i did on one DDHe who was in orc without gourmand 16:58:05 elliptic: report, n. ping some dev on irc about 16:58:09 oh I forgot to look into a related thing 16:58:13 absolves you of all mantis responsibility 16:58:21 which is that iirc regen increases hunger rate on DDs if they are not on full HP 16:58:26 even though it is doing nothing 16:58:41 ring of hungeregeneration 16:58:43 elliott: well i was also requesting the ring be marked un-useless 16:58:57 that was when people went all o.o on me 16:59:11 fr: unrand regeneration ring "nausea-b-gone", completely negates nausea 16:59:15 and sickness 16:59:23 and then make everybody start with that ring 16:59:34 and make it impossible to unequip or drop too 16:59:42 do you get another ring finger to wear it on 16:59:46 yes 16:59:53 do forms meld that ring finger 16:59:54 you-know-where 16:59:57 important realism issue 17:00:02 oh, it looks like currently DD + ring of regen is handled correctly 17:00:06 who knows because meld 17:00:15 but troll leather armour + DD is not 17:00:24 (weapon front legs) 17:01:44 did i even report that 17:02:08 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:04:04 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1332-ga14d036: A quote for giant centipedes (Insomniak`). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a14d0361554d 17:04:04 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1333-g85fa42b: Fix troll leather armour increasing hunger rate for injured DDs. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85fa42b907f6 17:04:20 amethyst - you asked me to tell you when there was another crazy-town lag spike? right now. might be a crash though. 17:04:24 on cszo 17:04:28 -!- Ero is now known as Eronarn 17:04:40 aaaand it's over 17:04:52 wait nope 17:05:36 interesting that people started complaining about lag just as chei reported commits 17:05:51 Your shield front leg is not bound. 17:05:57 haha 17:06:01 I'm failing to ssh to cszo also btw 17:06:08 lmao at the Giant Frog quote beneath it 17:06:25 -!- Surr has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:06:26 thanks again, |amethyst 17:07:02 -!- serge_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:12 elliptic yeah i think it's a server crash 17:07:17 i got connection closed 17:08:12 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:34 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:05 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:14:12 Cursing melded weapons/shields talks about weapon/shield front legs (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6440) by chris 17:16:38 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:22:08 -!- Arrhythmia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:24:32 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:03 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:03 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:30:59 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:36:05 -!- kek has quit [Quit: switching] 17:36:55 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:37:53 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schnarchischnarch] 17:41:13 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:41:42 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:18 <|amethyst> !learn edit is_cszo_down s/.*/no?/ 17:43:18 is cszo down[1/1]: no? 17:43:48 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:30 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 17:45:57 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:11 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:48 -!- Satan_Claus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:50:43 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:00:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:04:40 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1334-gc671ecd: Give wands of random effects disintegration instead of heal wounds (elliott). 10(9 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 10-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c671ecd65468 18:11:47 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 18:15:15 there's plenty more effects we could add 18:16:45 yeah, not just copying the other wands is certainly possible 18:17:03 I'm not sure really what would be interesting 18:17:21 the wand is already pretty cool early game IMO 18:18:09 blink, petrify, duplicate, random enchantments, etc 18:19:06 not sure about duplicate, and it already has several enchantments... but blink and petrify certainly would fit in 18:20:51 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:21:28 hm, how about condensing some of the hexes wands into a wand of hexes? 18:21:47 also, why the code duplication with _chaos_beam_flavour()? 18:22:28 (and is it ever used?) 18:23:23 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:23:24 what code duplication? 18:23:35 _chaos_beam_flavour is for launchers of chaos I think 18:24:52 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1335-g3f86f63: Add formatting fixes. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f86f631e022 18:25:24 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:34 kilobyte: I just pushed the one-line change that I think makes the current explosion/cloud targetting work more reasonably, but feel free to try the monster tracer idea sometime 18:28:10 -!- rkd has quit [] 18:29:56 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1336-g4c7a003: Fix the automatic explosion/cloud targetting treating AFF_YES and AFF_MAYBE the same. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c7a0032d76a 18:31:39 bolt of inacc would be good for random effects 18:32:23 maybe too much damage 18:34:36 non-wand effects from it would be weird 18:34:56 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:35:22 only if there were only one or two of them 18:35:43 i think 'wand of random effects' is more interested than 'wand of random wand effects', personally 18:35:50 interesting, rather 18:36:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:21 I don't think it should be as random as chaos though 18:37:00 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:39:18 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 18:43:03 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:12 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:10 -!- yon2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:48:15 what _is_ BEAM_CHAOS? 18:48:53 kilobyte: it's a damage flavor, like the other beams 18:50:26 seems to be used for non-existant missiles of chaos, chaos brand affixation (ie, power 1 Blade card + vorp scroll) and maybe chaos clouds 18:50:50 missiles of chaos can be xom gifted, can't they? 18:51:25 why do we let chaos affix anyways, don't we block that with every other god brand 18:53:14 because it wouldn't be chaotic if it'd be reliable 18:53:32 also xom can make enemy weapons chaotic and that includes launchers 18:55:34 there are no launchers of chaos, even with Xom 18:57:37 I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but the code at least wants to be able to chaos-brand ammo carried by a monster 18:57:37 clearly a good spell for a chaos queen 1 19:00:16 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00:18 chaos brand ammo is a bad idea imo 19:00:20 for monsters 19:00:28 it's already irritating enough to fight dispersal monsters 19:00:55 on the other hand, we do need a monster that breathes chaos clouds 19:01:30 apocalypse crab does that, as an abyss monster in inception 19:01:44 elliptic: your explosion commit doesn't seem to work, it merely avoids aiming in the AFF_MAYBE range 19:01:47 excellent 19:02:02 elliptic: but it still keeps randomly aiming at you even with hostiles in range 19:02:09 personally i want chaos spawn to do it, with random line/blast/cone 19:02:17 often in the very next turn after a successful cast 19:02:23 that would be rather excessive for a 3 19:02:41 aren't hellions still 3s 19:02:43 @??hellion 19:02:43 hellion (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-54 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(65), 05hellfire, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 602 | Sp: hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:02:46 oh, guess not 19:03:05 @??chaos spawn 19:03:05 chaos spawn (053) | Spd: 11 | HD: 6 | HP: 20-47 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 2109(chaos) | 05demonic, see invisible | Res: 06magic(56), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 199 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 19:03:07 so wimpy :( 19:03:18 Well, they can still sometimes paralyze you! 19:03:39 chaos melee is crazy dangerous in lots of ways anyway 19:03:51 paralyze, berserk, banish, teleport 19:03:54 And chaos cloud breath is that, but much worse 19:04:05 Since you can't dodge it and it's ranged 19:04:11 well, you can step out of it 19:04:16 c.f. catlobes 19:04:27 Well, maybe if it's just a thin line 19:04:34 doesn't it also not kick in every turn? or am i misremembering 19:04:40 oh, I was thinking swamp dragon breath 19:04:44 !seen bh 19:04:44 I last saw bh at Thu Dec 13 08:11:33 2012 UTC (16h 53m 11s ago) quitting with message Quit: Page closed. 19:04:44 I last saw bh at Thu Dec 13 07:11:07 2012 UTC (17h 53m 37s ago) saying hrm. I guess since its tied to the worm moving it should already be independentish on ##crawl-dev. 19:04:53 I think it kicks in every turn, but it just often doesn't do things that are that scary 19:05:06 Until it randomly does something extremely scary 19:05:19 kilobyte: it worked fine in my testing 19:05:22 HangedMan: swamp dragon breath some of the time, line some of the time 19:05:23 fun fact: put enemies stuck in it and they eventually die to an endless swarm of friendly spatial vortexes 19:05:24 to keep it interesting 19:05:29 kilobyte: what do you mean by "randomly aiming at you even with hostiles in range"? 19:05:49 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:05:49 well the swamp dragon breath style would be ridiculous and terrifying 19:05:51 kilobyte: it only aimed at me in situations where there was no way of casting the spell that would be guaranteed to do something 19:05:53 yes B) 19:05:56 kilobyte: what spell were you using? 19:06:06 maybe a new 1 instead of on a 3 19:06:14 need to add wire fiends first though 19:06:22 chaos spawn queens? 19:06:38 chaos spawner 19:06:54 it can even be X 19:07:03 Silly complicated tiles randering code.... 19:07:12 I'm still not sure why this is not drawing things in the right order 19:07:48 Firestorm 19:08:42 kilobyte: lava orcs? i managed to fit an entire vacation to california since the last time i got feedback about getting them merged from you... 19:08:51 seems to happen every time: the first cast aims at a random place next to _one_ of enemies, the second one at me 19:09:08 silver rune is bigger issue to fix already 19:09:35 Eronarn: pretty low on time :( But hey, I did do something to reduce the load! :p 19:10:31 kilobyte: i can go bug someone else (bh) if you want, but it would definitely help to have an email or something from a non-fake developer saying they're being considered 19:11:05 i'm currently between jobs but once i start a new one i will again not have time to poke people about getting them merged, which means bitrot 19:11:47 kilobyte: yeah, I can reproduce that with fire storm (but not with other spells)... since it is only the second cast, maybe it has something to do with the vortices? 19:11:54 elliptic: also, as the header in target.h says, it'd be better to compare AFF_* via >= rather than ==, to handle new enums. 19:12:39 true, though I'm not sure anything should be added after AFF_YES anyway? 19:12:49 clearly find somebody else dedicated to the lava orc cause that just merges master into lorcs over and over 19:12:56 HangedMan: i've been trying :( 19:13:21 Blargh, so many layers upon layers upon layers of classes at play here 19:13:24 nobody has wanted to adopt lorcs, forest wyrms, or swarms 19:14:50 wasn't somebody using forest wyrm code for something 19:15:06 oh, bh and tilling worms 19:15:25 that's news to me 19:15:33 i think they were just conceptually similar 19:15:41 "01:02:08 I'm modifying the tilling worm to pop nearby tiles into (sometimes dangerous) clouds. I'm using the same code that forest wyrms use to trample trees, but I'm not quite sure how to make it time independent" 19:15:48 "01:11:07 hrm. I guess since it's tied to the worm moving it should already be independent'ish" 19:15:49 ...weird 19:16:13 (note that this code is broken, anyways...) 19:16:33 maybe he's just confused, that code path was actually written for the lernaean hydra 19:16:36 forest wyrms just use it 19:16:53 (why does it trample trees? who knows) 19:17:38 for ??trivia 19:18:12 Eronarn: jpeg (IIRC) added it because some folks used to smite/cloud-kill the L hydra 19:18:23 kilobyte: yeah, it looks like this code that doy added doesn't handle multiple enemies very intelligently... to assess whether a target is good, it just iterates through affected squares and returns whether the first monster it finds is one it wants to kill 19:18:37 which presumably fails when there are vortices everywhere 19:18:45 (most of the time) 19:19:14 could just remove vortices 19:19:30 But fire vortices are cool.... 19:19:32 -!- Kaput has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:19:49 kilobyte: so yeah, might be best just to revert it and do something better from scratch... it is unfortunate because the code does handle a lot of situations well 19:19:49 ie, looks like we need to pick the best target rather than the first 19:20:27 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1337-g4494747: Use >= instead of == for AFF_* comparison. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4494747a5198 19:20:49 it does explosions only... it'd be good to auto-aim reflectable bolts too 19:22:33 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 19:22:35 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:42 obviously just make vortices non-targettable 19:22:55 how is one punching a spatial vortex to destroy it anyway 19:23:27 not sure if we should allow them to accumulate 19:24:41 could make vortices be swarms :> 19:24:58 not the best general term then 19:25:03 spatial swarm 19:25:22 HangedMan: swarms just describes the general idea: a monster that is also a cloud 19:25:32 we have many of those in crawl already 19:25:47 well yes 19:25:52 how is one punching a spatial vortex to destroy it anyway <- about as well as punching ghosts, I expect 19:26:12 Or air elementals 19:26:16 well in crawl ghosts are clearly not completely able to phase through everything 19:26:18 Or any number of other things 19:26:27 i like the idea of vortices just being clouds that move around and have stronger effects 19:26:41 it would probably be cooler than the status quo 19:26:54 But would this mean there was no way to destroy them? 19:27:26 DracoOmega: well, there are ways to destroy clouds: overwrite them with a stronger one, fire clouds are destroyed by ice spells, etc. 19:27:40 go to the next level 19:27:42 Lots of players won't have access to that, though 19:27:50 that's fine by me!! 19:28:06 how is a guy with a sword supposed to destroy a cloud, generally speaking 19:28:11 I'm not sure it's fine with me if you have something monster-like that cannot be injured at all by most players 19:28:24 And which isn't stationary 19:28:55 "How is a guy with a sword supposed to destroy " applies to a lot more things in Crawl than vortices 19:29:07 DracoOmega: clouds die on their own 19:29:26 Oh, so they would just expire after a little while? 19:29:37 or, again, just leave it alone 19:29:44 right, they are clouds... they just happen to be clouds that can have AI, or use melee attacks, etc. 19:30:21 'Clouds that use melee attacks' just sounds kinda wrong to me, incidentally :P 19:30:39 DracoOmega: 'The swarm of spiders bites you!' 19:30:53 or maybe it's 'The spiders bite you!', i forget how i phrased it 19:30:57 This is a cloud now? 19:31:14 DracoOmega: a swarm of normal sized spiders, not @??spider 19:31:41 the demo swarms i did were butterflies, bees, spiders, and sparks 19:32:07 I'm not actually familiar with this swarm stuff 19:32:43 for spark swarm, the idea is that you cast a spell that makes a bunch of them, and they move randomly, but are much more likely to go after metal wearing creatures 19:32:57 bees are for breathe bees, designed as a tmut evap replacement 19:33:24 ....breathe bees? 19:33:32 you, well, breathe bees 19:33:34 they're like a poison cloud, but weaker and depending on AC (because they have to sting to poison), and they will follow stuff around until they dissipate rather than staying put 19:33:40 but this includes you, since they aren't friendly 19:33:41 HangedMan: I gathered that. The .... remains 19:34:26 so you have to be careful with how you use it, even though it can be powerful: leftover bees will beeline to you, and you can't outrun them 19:34:37 Does sound mechanically interesting 19:34:37 beeline 19:34:48 and it's also a breath-requiring spell, so you can't cast it more than once or twice in a fight usually 19:34:49 And I've always been in favor of transmutation getting more non-form spells 19:35:08 beeline has to be in the spell description to preserve the bad puns to new stuff ratio 19:35:09 (Though the breathing bees bit still feels odd to me, flavor-wise) 19:35:22 it has been critically weak since the starstuff was added 19:35:37 HangedMan: i really hope that thing has a sagan quote 19:35:54 No quotes yet 19:35:56 DracoOmega: is it any weirder than turning your arms into swords 19:36:03 Yes, actually 19:36:13 well it'd work best for starcursed mass 19:36:21 considering the rough flavour due provided 19:36:32 DracoOmega: is it any weirder than turning people's brains into alcohol to confuse them 19:36:36 Yes 19:36:56 For one thing, bees are independently living things, unlike this other stuff 19:37:01 Also, what are you turning INTO the bees? 19:37:07 Air in lungs to bees? 19:37:10 yes! 19:37:20 oh heh, the target stuff conflicts with a not-yet-pushed commit (from Nov 26...) that fixes monster Refrig/OTR 19:37:33 (Honestly, I'd think it much more sensible if you were transmuting air into some sort of quasi-sentient poison mist) 19:37:43 that is not nearly as funny as breathe bees 19:37:47 No, it is not 19:37:53 also, keep in mind that this would permit monsters that breathe bees at you 19:37:57 But I have a hard time justifying air->bees as a transmutation 19:38:18 ie, making targetting work "like monster tracers" is kind of interrelated with, you know, monster tracers for non-beams actually working 19:38:23 clearly make it a summoning spell 19:38:36 HangedMan: i did consider making it tmut/sum but then people would wonder why it isn't tmut/sum/pois 19:38:40 and that would be silly 19:38:54 Why is it transmutation at all, though? With the flavor it has, it doesn't feel very transmute-like at all 19:38:58 Conjure Bees! 19:39:59 DracoOmega: you could cough up phlegm to turn into bees! 19:40:10 Ewww 19:40:17 i did consider making it require a potion to cast but that was far too irritating 19:40:20 Sneeze Bees 19:40:25 it's the bees' knees! 19:40:37 sneezing is clearly a horrific explosion from the center 19:40:42 considering black draconians 19:40:44 Yes, I don't think I have a problem with the general idea of the spell involving swarms of uncontrollable bees. I'm just bothered by where they're coming from :P 19:41:02 we should have a tmut/ice spell that uses your tears 19:41:04 not sure what for 19:41:28 alternately: sweat 19:41:43 tension->steam! 19:41:56 ozo's reflavouring 19:42:19 anyways: lava orcs 19:42:46 There isn't actually any current dev that really knows the tile rendering code that well, is there? 19:45:48 no one 19:49:22 Because this feels like it should be a simple question to answer, yet I've been searching for the answer for hours now 19:49:47 wouldn't edlothiol know a bit 19:50:01 I think webtiles uses fairly different rendering code in several ways 19:50:25 still important to cover over there as well 19:50:30 drop tiles support 19:50:37 Well, I think this bit actually WORKS on webtiles 19:50:46 but we have so many hilarious deaths because of tiles players 19:50:46 If I recall seeing it recently correctly 19:50:48 Eronarn: +1 19:50:50 how can we turn them out 19:51:01 also we have hellephants 19:51:09 <|amethyst> HangedMan: yeah, but offline tiles deaths don't even count 19:51:23 well yes but people will always play local 19:51:55