00:00:54 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1315-g441e2e6 (34) 00:01:45 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1315-g441e2e6 (34) 00:05:18 -!- jeremie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:07:47 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1315-g441e2e6 00:14:44 -!- neuwiz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:25:29 -!- Spavven has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:44 hrm. We don't have random iterators do we? 00:28:42 bh: no, we don't have lava orcs 00:28:50 !abyss Eronarn 00:28:50 bh casts a spell. Eronarn is devoured by a tear in reality! 00:28:51 bh casts a spell. Eronarn is devoured by a tear in reality! 00:31:27 bh: what do you mean by a random iterator? 00:31:31 -!- RWJKM- has quit [Read error: Connection refused] 00:32:01 kilobyte: I want an adjacent iterator with an unbiased order 00:32:31 distance_iterator is unbiased 00:35:14 not fully random; yet no direction is more likely to be picked before another one than any other 00:36:32 I think the standard tecnique for querying adjacent spots in random order is to put them in an array and shuffle it 00:36:40 At least I've seen stuff like this done in several places 00:36:43 for just adjacent, it might be overkill, yeah 00:37:24 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:39:06 -!- anastasios is now known as Pedjt 00:43:22 -!- flyingpants has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:50:25 kilobyte: next question: Is there an easy way to determine the number of squares reachable on the current level from the player? 00:50:31 I'm sick of people getting put in boxes in the abyss. 00:51:42 not without a flood fill 00:51:44 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 00:53:16 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:24 protip: when running multidelta on Crawl's sources, processing Makefile first will make a run last half an hour rather than (estimated) a couple of days 01:00:53 (gcc guys refuse to take non-minimized ICE reports) 01:03:24 never heard of it. Is that some commit bisection tool? 01:06:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:11:46 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Quit: Crazylemon64] 01:13:34 codebase bisection. You give it a script that answers "is the bug still reproducible?", and it tries cutting stuff 01:16:33 might be a good idea to use it to trim #includes 01:17:25 I found a shtick for the tilling worm. 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Use !messages to read it. 10:38:16 -!- Wenzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:28 -!- Wenzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:54 -!- Wensley has quit [Client Quit] 10:48:23 -!- kek has quit [Quit: g2g bbl] 10:48:41 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:48:52 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:14 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:02:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:03:26 -!- Staplegun has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:04:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 11:04:50 -!- shalmezad has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:02 -!- shalmezad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:39 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:20:34 -!- UnnamedUser has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:31 oh, what is it with people using test ... hate so bad 11:23:58 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1316-g76f8ef6: Use "evoked" instead of "invoked" in ring of flight desc 10(37 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=76f8ef6d05e0 11:25:41 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:52 -!- BanMido_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:35 the formatting on test is weird for me 11:35:41 each butterfly slightly colors the left wing of the next one 11:35:47 not sure whether that is intentional 11:36:13 i dont think so 11:37:57 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:06 <|amethyst> in this terminal (old gnome-terminal) the wing character don't combine properly at all; it works fine at home (newer gnome-terminal) 11:46:32 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:14 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:20 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10:39 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:17:44 nubinia (L18 SpVM) ERROR: range check error (34 / 34) (D:15) 12:18:39 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:22:10 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:53 -!- XXXpThInGXXX has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:42 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:12 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:36:54 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:37 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 12:47:26 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:34 -!- BanMido_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:47:58 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 12:49:39 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:52:04 -!- Spavven has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:01:44 -!- andrew is now known as Guest34772 13:02:02 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 13:02:03 -!- Alheris has quit [Client Quit] 13:02:18 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:59 -!- Guest34772 is now known as andrewhl 13:06:01 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:16 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:18 -!- mcevers has quit [Client Quit] 13:26:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:28:01 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:40:11 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:44:50 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:47:39 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51:21 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:59:41 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:35 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 14:11:40 _The orc wizard looks in an agony of indecision for an escape route... 14:11:43 who wrote this 14:12:16 Huh? Does that message exist? 14:12:29 * elliott guesses 14:12:37 <|amethyst> %git 6a7fc174 14:12:37 03dpeg * 0.10-a0-90-g6a7fc17: More speech lines by Syraine; #4293. 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 1 file, 497+ 103-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a7fc174d495 14:12:48 * elliott guessed right 14:13:19 it's slightly awkward 14:13:28 Yes, the wording is awkward 14:13:34 Does that happen when they're feared, or something? 14:13:40 @The_monster@ weeps quietly, if able. 14:13:42 good times 14:13:46 'if able' 14:13:47 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:13:50 That barely makes sense 14:13:52 haha 14:14:02 DracoOmega: well you see the monster might not be able to weep 14:14:04 Either the monster is able, in which it weeps, or it doesn't weep at all 14:14:10 in which case it reduces to a true, but informationless message 14:14:13 rather than an inaccurate one 14:14:49 Haha 14:14:56 <|amethyst> need a monster::can_weep() 14:15:07 <|amethyst> along with a Lua wrapper 14:15:13 I don't think I have ever seen any of those messages before 14:15:47 "Please! I have an infinite number of identical children..." 14:15:48 >.> 14:15:58 <|amethyst> "if able" doesn't seem to be there anymore 14:16:24 -!- kek has quit [Quit: brb] 14:19:37 DracoOmega: wow 14:20:31 there should be an eye that weeps 14:20:42 maybe it can cause bleeding when it looks at you? 14:20:59 Except players currently cannot bleed 14:21:02 'bloodshot eye' 14:21:10 (Not that it would seem to do much to the player, if you did) 14:21:14 or 'red eye' 14:21:30 monsters can barely bleed as it is :P 14:21:40 Exactly 14:21:42 <|amethyst> FR: Eye of Improvidence 14:21:59 wouldn't be hard to make bleeding actually a thing 14:22:41 Currently the primary purpose of monster bleeding appears to be coloring the screen 14:22:53 <|amethyst> The Ebola hits you! You leak. 14:22:58 Ewww 14:23:04 trog piety should be based on spilled blood 14:23:20 Why? 14:23:33 beause it would be much more flavorful and get rid of corpse sacrifices 14:23:34 <|amethyst> TROG LIKE BLOOD AND GUTS! 14:23:49 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:50 I think getting rid of corpse sacrifices is sort of an independent thing 14:23:51 also gives reason for trog to like axes and swords rather than clubs 14:24:01 Clubs seem like a plenty Trog thing to me 14:24:24 it is nice that you are comfortable being wrong 14:24:28 <|amethyst> Makhleb likes torture, maybe blood could be eir thing 14:24:55 <|amethyst> piety for every turn an enemy is at <10% HP in line of sight 14:25:20 Ewww... that's gamable in a really tedious way 14:25:26 <|amethyst> yeah 14:25:38 <|amethyst> wouldn't really work because it is explicitly scummable 14:28:22 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:28:40 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:42:45 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:24 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 14:45:23 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:46:20 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:47:45 -!- rkd has quit [] 14:55:19 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56:01 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:03:04 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 15:06:41 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 15:06:58 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:06 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:22:32 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:16 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:55 -!- everyonemines has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:30:07 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1317-g9aabc46: Don't let monsters drop huge stacks of unbranded ammo for a single branded piece 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9aabc46a0383 15:30:07 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1318-ge16a315: Don't let monsters equip amulets of inaccuracy 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e16a315301b7 15:30:07 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1319-g2f2189d: Fix/remove some ungrammatical speech lines 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 24-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f2189dd30e5 15:30:07 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1320-g121ffb0: Split Enchantments into Hexes and Charms 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=121ffb0d70aa 15:30:08 03MarvinPA 07[vehumet] * 0.12-a0-722-g7d8d19e: Minor Vehumet description tweaks 10(5 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d8d19e75fcf 15:30:08 03MarvinPA 07[vehumet] * 0.12-a0-723-gbe47919: Fix compatibility 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=be479197204d 15:30:08 03MarvinPA 07[vehumet] * 0.12-a0-724-g0f3db13: Make Vehumet stop gifting when abandoned 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f3db135d203 15:30:08 03MarvinPA 07[vehumet] * 0.12-a0-725-ge31833a: Increment gift counter/timeout when offering a Veh gift 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e31833aa2d16 15:30:08 03MarvinPA 07[vehumet] * 0.12-a0-726-g1add648: Allow Veh's first spell to be any level 1 spell, not just Magic Dart 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1add64846c45 15:32:24 hmm, so what can I do about constriction? 15:32:24 Napkin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:32:41 "You punch DEAD MONSTER!" Yay -.- 15:32:49 I guess this means I need to teach myself how to use final effects 15:33:00 <|amethyst> Napkin: as a player being constricted? 15:33:06 yes 15:33:19 anything i can do to protect myself better? 15:33:28 walk away, blink, teleport, kill the constricting monster 15:33:42 AC reduces damage, EV reduces chance of getting constricted in the first place 15:34:24 <|amethyst> Napkin: if you are already constricted, blinking counts as two escape attempts; teleport and Bend Space always work 15:34:40 <|amethyst> killing, enslaving, polymorphing the thing makes it release you 15:34:49 pacifying it does not btw 15:34:52 which is probably a bug 15:34:56 oh, didn't know the amount of "escape attempts" are counted 15:35:06 <|amethyst> yeah, the more escape attempts the easier 15:35:18 if you just try and walk away your second attempt is very likely to succeed 15:35:29 <|amethyst> so if it doesn't work but you're not at risk of dying, you can keep trying 15:35:36 <|amethyst> which means blink is likely to succeed 15:35:59 so the high damage only happens when constricted? 15:36:17 an attempt to escape hurts more? 15:36:24 <|amethyst> escape attempts don't hurt 15:36:27 constriction damage happens each turn you are constricted, increasing over time 15:36:35 oh 15:36:37 <|amethyst> except indirectly in that you're not doing damage that turn 15:36:48 and escaping resets the damage even if you get constricted again two turns later 15:36:55 ok 15:37:12 i'd really like to update learndb on cdo.. 15:37:21 thank you for the explanations! 15:37:57 <|amethyst> Napkin: pester wensley for the db and use your CAO access to update Henzell :) 15:38:09 hehe 15:38:28 will need your help though 15:38:40 wensley seems to be hiding 15:38:54 I hear MarvinPA ruined some catlobe speech 15:38:56 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: shouldn't they be willing to wear sufficiently good randarts of inacc? 15:39:03 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: like amulet of the air 15:39:13 oh mmm, good point 15:39:19 wensley isn't here currently but he shows up every day or two and I know he'd be happy to give you a copy of wenzell's db 15:39:41 no idea how to sensibly make monsters evaluate that though 15:39:58 |amethyst: what is a randart of inacc 15:40:02 oh 15:40:05 i thought you said rmsl 15:40:09 but typed it as inacc when replying anyway... 15:41:02 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: if _get_monster_jewellery_value(this, item) < 0 15:41:10 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: err, with parentheses 15:41:46 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:41:50 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: not that that would make them willing to pick up Air, but then numbers could be adjusted (right now Inacc is -5) 15:42:35 yeah, presumably it doesn't know about ARTP_RMSL or anything yet 15:43:02 i guess it has the +5 ev so it should work out anyway 15:43:03 <|amethyst> right, and rElec is just +1 and fly is ignored 15:43:16 oh wait that's only if the base type is evasion 15:43:39 <|amethyst> that could be fixed 15:44:30 <|amethyst> so right now it's a -4, but if artefact Ev is counted it would be +1 15:44:36 <|amethyst> s/Ev/EV/ 15:44:43 <|amethyst> s/is c/were c/ 15:45:53 <|amethyst> really I think rFire should count more than +2,+0 slaying 15:46:13 <|amethyst> not the other way around 15:48:22 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:48:33 rmsl should be worth 10000000 imo 15:48:38 just for the cool messages 15:49:12 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:17 -!- Dixbert_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:20 <|amethyst> well, +4 maybe 15:50:12 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:52:27 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:53:18 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:57:33 -!- mamga_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:24 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02:22 wait what, veh spell gifts are in? 16:02:41 ah no, those commits were in veh branch :/ 16:03:39 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:51 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 16:11:28 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:14:35 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:20:12 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:34 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24:19 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 16:25:33 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1321-g31bf3fc: Don't let Stealth skill inhibit monster shouting. 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31bf3fc2a7b7 16:25:33 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-1322-gbc34d49: Have monsters lose clairvoyance on the player's location if you reenter a level via new stairs. 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 34+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc34d49d837c 16:25:33 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-1323-g74b4a46: Don't let player teleports shake off monsters when under Ashenzari wrath 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74b4a46b57da 16:25:33 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1324-gba4bc3f: Fix whitespace. 10(20 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba4bc3f39f7d 16:25:33 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1325-gf7e431e: Use actual stealth rather than Stealth skill when trying to shake off monsters. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7e431e13da7 16:26:20 Oh god did they remove Enchantments 16:26:28 What will be next 16:26:30 yes! 16:27:31 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:34 was constrict more difficult to escape from in 0.10? 16:27:40 yes 16:27:46 (no, just keep hitting <) 16:27:58 constrict got rebalanced a fair amount in 0.11 16:28:26 ah, that's way my dad hates it so much - he's still at 0.10 16:28:38 0.10 constriction was rather unfair 16:28:40 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:29:34 It was certainly very hard to escape from without blinking or something 16:29:41 easy escape with blink, no escape otherwise 16:30:04 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:52 -!- JoFu2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:57 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:41 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:02 -!- Zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:39:39 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 16:40:01 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: bonne nuit à tous] 16:45:39 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1326-g7690b65: Re-fix some kraken messages showing up even if the kraken wasn't visible 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 26-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7690b653ce3f 16:50:36 MarvinPA: its called double-unbreak 16:51:08 have you learned nothing? 16:52:11 -!- Concrocotta has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:36 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:36 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:12 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:02:37 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05:07 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:47 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:19 <|amethyst> alefury: Does that mean it's doubleplus unbroken? 17:09:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:09:12 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:09:14 -!- Dixbert_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:00 :) 17:13:31 actually i read 1984 only recently, and i was surprised it was really really good 17:18:17 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:19:35 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:06 -!- ddee has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:27:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:30:53 03MarvinPA 07[vehumet] * 0.12-a0-727-gd868356: Add notes for Vehumet spell offers 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d868356357eb 17:32:10 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:55 <|amethyst> recently enough that you recognised the MarvinPA Orwell fanfic on Tavern? :) 17:34:35 Hahaha 17:34:47 I remember that 17:38:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:38:47 |amethyst: btw, is it intentional that mantis issues are no longer getting reported here? 17:39:06 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:41:28 -!- Jackomel has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:43:45 <|amethyst> elliptic: I had disabled it because I was getting timeouts, but I think Napkin may have fixed it, let me re-enable 17:44:03 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6470 17:44:09 blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah 17:44:13 -!- Concrocotta has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 17:46:17 New autotargeting for explosions/clouds don't handle spells with variable areas of effect correctly. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6437) by elliptic 17:46:17 shaft on top of xom's altar room (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6433) by buzzkill 17:46:17 new vaults (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6436) by st 17:46:17 Vault-defined statue monsters do not stop autoexplore. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6435) by elliptic 17:46:17 Make transient mutations recover based on xp gained rather than time elapsed (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6432) by DracoOmega 17:46:17 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:17 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 17:46:17 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is back, in time for tournament play! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 17:47:07 |amethyst: thanks 17:47:28 sigh, new vaults 17:47:29 oh hey st_ submitted stuff 17:47:36 oh 17:47:36 not that kind of new vaults 17:47:37 just text 17:47:44 vaults are text 17:48:38 no they're not 17:48:48 they were once 17:48:48 HangedMan: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:49:40 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:50:18 I wonder what infiniplex will think 17:50:44 I honestly don't think newvaults is as unsalvageble as st_ seems to think in that mantis issue 17:51:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:51:11 I've already voiced my thoughts 17:51:26 Though I had actually originally been planning to attempt a vaults rewrite before infiniplex got there first, so maybe I'll try taking a closer look at this myself sometime 17:51:50 Once some of the other stuff on my plate is done 17:52:03 I can agree with the fact that it is unreadable in a way much worse then, say, what I write 17:53:07 Yes, there is that 17:53:11 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:53:19 I don't think what you see in-game is unsalvagable at all but I don't know anything about vault coding so I'm inclined to trust st about how hard it would be to fix vaults-coding-wise 17:53:39 I got the impression he meant it more on a design than just a coding point of view 17:53:51 That even if the code was easy, the fundamental way that it works is wrong 17:54:07 I could be wrong though 17:54:11 mm 17:54:23 well I think the everything-is-subvaults approach is viable since xcrawl supposedly pulls it off 17:54:32 but I think xcrawl had like 10-100x the subvaults newvaults does 17:54:44 <|amethyst> there are some subvault-related bugs that need to be fixed, of course 17:54:45 xcrawl also didn't really exist 17:54:46 so 17:55:06 Yes, more subvaults would be good, of course. Honestly, I think more subvaults and reweighting/trimming existing ones would make a huge improvement right there 17:55:12 Without any more fanciness involved 17:55:55 elliptic: one day I will pry it from chapayev's cold dead hands 17:55:58 when st_ appears, someone should ask him whether having other people working on it too would help with fixing newvaults 17:56:13 that is, maybe it is just a manpower issue 17:56:50 though it did sound like he thought the design was pretty messed up too... 17:59:04 <|amethyst> well, I imagine that e.g. having different door positions require a more or less disjoint set of maps causes problems 17:59:40 <|amethyst> all the _down1 _up3 _facing_empty tag-like stuff 18:00:31 It might have been better if the builder logic wasn't using lua and did more of this stuff in a less tag-specific way. Maybe. 18:00:32 oh that does sound pretty terrible 18:00:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: for example: 18:00:50 <|amethyst> NAME: vaults_room_10_facing_stairs1_narrow 18:00:50 <|amethyst> TAGS: vaults_room_10_facing_up1 18:00:50 <|amethyst> TAGS: vaults_room_10_facing_down1 allow_dup 18:00:56 it is sort of terrible how vaults:1-7 always have the same map 18:01:08 it seems like rewriting this stuff to build the level in a normal way in C++ or whatever would be a start 18:04:45 <|amethyst> infiniplex translated his code from C++ to Lua 18:04:55 that seems... counterproductive 18:04:55 That seems backwards 18:05:11 since the lua stuff doesn't seem to support things like setting map= correctly and placing vaults without a bunch of tags 18:05:30 But really, without looking closely at the code, it seems that you could make room definitions a lot more adapatable than they are 18:05:39 Like, realigning doors along shared walls 18:05:57 Or doing other tricks that wouldn't work so well just using normal subvaulting code 18:06:09 I don't see why it couldn't place a vault without any special tags or anything at all, just figure out how big the vault will be and arrange for a room of that size to be placed 18:06:16 Yes 18:06:25 Well, some special tags might be needed for some cases 18:06:28 sure 18:06:31 But not simply for determining how large it is 18:09:12 Maybe I should volunteer to try wrangling it to be more smart/flexible 18:09:15 Or maybe I should run in horror at this though; I don't know :P 18:09:19 thought* 18:09:49 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:12:16 thousands of crawlers will sing your praises, etc 18:12:24 Haha 18:12:34 Surely it can't be worse than the tentacle code was! 18:12:37 (Yes, I'm sure it can be) 18:14:12 well I'm not sure about that, but it does play a much larger role in the game 18:14:30 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:17:11 Well, I suppose that depends on how ambitious I want to be. Dungeon generation can be an extremely hard theoretical topic\ 18:17:31 Certainly SOME of the improvements to this will probably not be so hard 18:23:39 -!- eb has quit [] 18:25:25 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:28:31 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:31:43 -!- blackcustard has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:31:43 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:45 -!- browncustard is now known as blackcustard 18:35:31 |amethyst: yes i recognized that fanfic it was awesome 18:37:38 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:46:22 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 18:50:27 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 18:50:30 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:51:00 -!- yon2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:52:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:34 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:52:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:58:48 -!- Pedjt has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:02 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:01:51 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:12 -!- Zauren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:04:15 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:05:41 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:53 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:25 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:27 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:45 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:11:00 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11:35 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 19:15:03 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:16:19 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18:17 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:18:19 -!- tensorpu1ding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:20:39 Hello. I was working on a species proposal to put on the list. If anyone has time please take a look and let me know what would need to change to make it more appealing or likely to be moved forward. It's now on the bottom of the proposal list. Would creating a patch for it help the case at all? 19:23:46 xcrawl's subvaulting as far as I could tell was just the decorative serial vault stuff used to make branches different from each other and presumably thus doesn't run into nearly as many problems 19:33:12 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:36:09 I think a couple of things would make newvaults system a huge amount better 19:36:30 a) placing stairs indepenantly of vaults 19:37:06 b) simplify subvaults so that you only have 7x7 10x10 etc rather than 7x7 7x7facing 7x7stair etc 19:38:39 if we keep going with the current way the problems would only get worse with convolutions and duplications 19:39:51 well I could see a basis for a split between dangerous and non-dangerous subvaults 19:40:14 not trying to control generation so much would probably help a lot though yes 19:41:47 I think having stairs inside subvaults can be nice, though, at least sometimes. But it might be nicer if those subvaults were themselves guarded 19:42:08 And maybe didn't have ALL the stairs in one 19:42:20 <|amethyst> would it help to be have a dgn.map_by_all_tags() ? 19:42:39 <|amethyst> taking a list of tags, returning a random map out of all those that have all the specified tags 19:43:25 -!- Zifmia has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:43:26 <|amethyst> seems like that's the intent behind the current system of concatenating tags, but currently there's no way to do a match against only some of the "tags" (part of the composite tag name) 19:43:28 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:43:40 -!- Zifmia_ is now known as Zifmia 19:43:48 <|amethyst> (current system in builder/layout_vaults.des that is) 19:45:13 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:47:42 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:35 I can't say anything about the technical stuff, but I do say that if we are using subvaults for a layout, the subvaults should be as simple as possible (not necessarily in content, but the creation/system) 19:51:18 -!- vadatajs has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:58:24 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:59:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:12:37 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:33 -!- Dedagen has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:16:38 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - 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