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startup, causing a tiny minibar bug. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb25e24b0eb3 04:40:49 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:45 -!- Letchik has quit [Client Quit] 04:55:25 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:04 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1253-ga4221f0 05:08:45 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:42 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:27 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:36 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:41:48 -!- Armakuni has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:45:24 "n" answer for re-wielding weapons after butchery doesn't work (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6430) by KiloByte 05:45:57 -!- Calisca has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:28 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48:21 -!- mrwooster has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:49:43 -!- Kellhus 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##crawl-dev 09:27:42 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:31:15 -!- perigee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:33:49 -!- kek has quit [Quit: f00d] 09:36:25 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:36:39 did the 'missing barnacled rune' bug ever get fixed? 09:37:11 -!- johnstein has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 09:38:38 huh, my shoals rune room was hidden 09:42:06 maybe this is the bug people are talking about: !lm pivotal dghu shoals rune -tv:<2 09:45:02 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:00 <|amethyst> faze: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5842 this? 09:49:24 -!- Zhukov has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:32 <|amethyst> faze: I don't suppose you have a save backup, do you? 09:52:32 <|amethyst> there's a similar bug about swamp, but this one pre-dates the swamp changes 09:55:30 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 10:03:58 -!- y2s82_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:13 -!- SkaryMonk has 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-!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:03:21 <|amethyst> I was making sure chei was still connected (different machine from me and Sizzell, but still) 11:03:26 it will, but there'll be no humans left to announce to 11:03:35 -!- yon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03:42 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:50 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:04:00 -!- rast- is now known as rast 11:04:08 but then who will make the commits?? 11:05:26 of course! 11:05:39 0.13, first version with only one god 11:06:12 <|amethyst> 03Transdimensionall Hellspider 07* 0.20-a0-2953-gdeadd00d00: Axe humans. 10(10 milliseconds ago, 5 files, 8+ 19-) 13http://git.sky.net/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=deadd00d 11:06:31 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:06:34 :) 11:06:35 <|amethyst> s/all/al/ 11:06:45 nice reference there 11:07:46 New idea for Cheibriados pennance... randomly revert commits :) 11:09:03 -!- anele has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:02 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:16 humans only take up 5 files apparently 11:13:34 also removing them requires adding 42% of the code it takes to implement them in the first place 11:14:40 <|amethyst> save compat 11:14:49 haha 11:19:23 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:19:59 "You feel the world unwravelling around you, you are now at version 0.9-a0-2341-jsdfj3jd" 11:20:29 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:20:49 <|amethyst> People would scum chei to undo bugfixes so they can use crash bugs to reverse time 11:20:56 <|amethyst> sounds thematic 11:21:15 would scum for MD 11:21:31 <|amethyst> Why play MD when you can play Yak? 11:21:53 fr actual yak race 11:22:04 can only wear animal skins, no other item use whatsoever 11:22:06 <|amethyst> +4 crossbow aptitude 11:22:10 haha 11:22:22 'charm centaurs' 11:22:34 breeding subgame to turn into a yaktaur??? 11:22:54 <|amethyst> there's already a design for one breeding subgame 11:28:33 actually, an idea to give Chei an ability to rewind time was rejected because of technical difficulties 11:28:36 <|amethyst> well, I guess that's more of a mating subgame, really 11:29:18 which seems wrong to me -- implementing checkpoints would be a fun filesystem design exercise :p 11:29:19 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm... seems like a checkpoint would be possible 11:29:46 the main problem is saving and restoring levels 11:29:58 my coworker actually did exactly that, though at more of a "toy" level. i think he was inspired by git 11:30:20 <|amethyst> you'd have to checkpoint the entire dungeon state, yeah 11:31:45 which is a matter of keeping multiple copies of modified levels 11:32:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:33 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:32:37 we could save the game every a random number of turns, and the ability would move you 2 or 3 checkpoints ago 11:32:39 <|amethyst> yeah, I was thinking a "snapshot" ability that makes a copy of you and every level, and a "restore" ability 11:33:11 I'm thinking about auto snapshots 11:33:15 <|amethyst> aha 11:33:53 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:06 we'd need multiples so if you restore just after a snapshot has been made, you still move back in time 11:34:50 distance you move back would vary, but that's actually good as long as snapshot are not predictable 11:35:40 <|amethyst> are you thinking 100 aut, 1000 aut, or what? 11:35:53 <|amethyst> frequency that is 11:35:57 I mean, if snapshots were made every 100 turns, using the ability on turn 4201 would move you 101 turns back, at 4299 -- 199 turns back 11:36:19 <|amethyst> could randomly weight it between the two 11:36:25 yeah 11:37:11 <|amethyst> but I think you're right that you should go back at least 2 snapshots on average 11:37:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 11:37:24 <|amethyst> to reduce aliasing 11:37:33 -!- defeeca has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:39 what to do about paradoxa? 11:37:46 -!- Garhauk_ is now known as Garhauk 11:37:51 if i pick up an item, then travel back in time until before i did that 11:37:55 what happens to the item? 11:38:19 I'm not sure even that is needed if there's enough randomness when deciding when a snapshot should happen 11:38:39 -!- ZyrKx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:38:57 alefury: it's on the ground; everything but piety is restored 11:39:21 ah, so you literally go back in time, and the only thing you keep is knowledge, like in groundhog day 11:39:41 FR: call the skill groundhog day 11:39:54 s/skill/ability 11:39:56 probably newly generated levels should be kept too 11:40:03 yeah 11:40:27 what about pan portals? 11:41:04 not sure, it's a matter of design rather than implementation though 11:41:11 yes 11:42:06 could be saved like regular levels, could be re-rolled 11:42:23 probably you shouldnt lose the rune if you timetravel out of a unique map, but knowing that the next level is going to be a unique one is also not good. possibly okay though if the piety hit is large enough, although im not sure how that would interact with leaving pan after timetravelling out of a unique level 11:42:39 hmm... I'm not that sure time travel is a good idea because of scumming mutations 11:43:06 you would have to play chei to do it though 11:43:07 alefury: you can't lose the rune since picking it up literally didn't happen 11:44:02 kilobyte: well yes, but rerolling would let you "dodge" unique levels until you are ready to get the rune 11:44:07 mutations are a lot more limited 11:44:15 no fd any more 11:44:31 you would have to herd ugly things 11:44:34 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:49 anyway there are much more powerful things you can do with this than scum mutations :P 11:44:54 probably way too much work for it to become common practice 11:44:56 presumably it would have a big piety cost 11:45:03 elliott: like not die? 11:45:05 :) 11:45:15 well savescumming is pretty powerful 11:45:22 elliott: cards, but that's limited without Nemelex 11:45:36 its not really savescumming if generated levels stay generated 11:45:43 play two-headed ogre so you can worship chei and nemelex at the same time 11:45:48 and scumming not dying is not abuse but the intended use :p 11:46:15 honestly it would be really cool, but maybe too strong 11:46:25 "Chei is outraged at the conduct of your left half" 11:46:42 proceed to walk in circles 11:46:59 even if it reduced you to 1 piety it would basically get you out of jail free, always 11:47:18 alefury: I think being too strong should not be a very big worry for new chei powers :P 11:47:43 "you can never die unless you run out of piety or are dumb" 11:47:49 this is not crawl 11:48:10 self-banishment and sanctuary are pretty close to guaranteed lifesaving 11:48:15 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48:15 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:48:22 you can "never die" if you have infinite piety 11:48:39 it'd be stronger than them, sure, but it's hardly anything completely new 11:48:41 i agree lots of gods would be broken if they didn't have piety costs :P 11:48:50 with sanctuary you are still in deep shit once it ends (unless you have a bunch of hw), banishment puts you in the abyss 11:49:11 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:36 also self banishment ruins your hp 11:49:49 time travel would require some sort of similar permanent cost imo 11:49:52 you teleport and chug hw. Which is another reason to axe cTele after all. 11:50:09 but i like ctele :( 11:50:46 with cTele you don't need to even burn resources other than piety 11:50:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:51:01 * elliott notes that ddoor+ctele is also a good way to never die unless you run out of MP or are dumb 11:51:30 ddoor+disto even works in -cTele areas 11:51:43 i remember it was suggested a while ago that self-banishment could lose the maxhp cost since it lands you back where you came from now 11:51:46 but ddoor is at least expensive 11:51:50 bit more dangerous though 11:51:55 -!- Zifmia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:00 also you can't use it to kill cerebov 11:52:03 unless you find abyss exits really quick 11:52:09 heh 11:52:15 well, I guess time off-level might be slow enough to? 11:52:29 I don't really know how off-level monster regen works 11:52:48 i hope it works like normal regen 11:53:02 anything else would be weird, in a bad way 11:53:30 well until recently people would frequently accidentally pause time on other levels 11:53:33 and not notice it at all 11:53:37 so I won't assume anything 11:53:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:39 good bug 11:54:10 hard enough to observe monster regen as it is since it's irrelevant for most monsters in most fights 11:54:17 obviously, Chei time travel would need to restore your piety and then take the hit; otherwise you could repeatedly clear an unseen horror/bat vault 11:54:45 could just eliminate all your piety when you go back in time 11:54:59 as in keep all abilities banned and no piety gain until you end up back where you were 11:55:19 mhh, success chance piety/200, reduces you to starting piety when it works 11:55:28 still op 11:55:45 well to use it you have to worship chei 11:55:51 so it's significantly less op than it otherwise would be 11:56:10 well, yes 11:56:20 i don't see the need for a piety-based success chance, just have it have a minimum piety and success change based on invo, like everything else 11:56:32 a huge huge huge piety cost would also get around the problem that the worst situation time travel can put you in is one you already survived 11:56:50 because the situation you get put in would be worse than last time after the piety hit 11:56:58 maybe. this is chei after all. 11:56:59 elimination of +15 to all skills would knock Chei down a peg, also you could degrade EV (you dodge slowly) or casting/melee speed 11:57:16 ugh 11:57:20 i approve of any chei change that lets us get rid of +dumb skills, yes 11:57:25 er, stats* 11:57:30 i love the +stats :( 11:57:46 <|amethyst> Chei: god of demigods 11:57:56 it'd be pretty much a different god 11:58:03 chei: god of you can cast spells at superpower in armor while having really good ev 11:58:24 people tend to play Chei for +stats, not for his abilities 11:58:25 yes, it's inelegant and unthematic 11:58:29 i think you'd need a much bigger buff to chei in other ways 11:58:41 the +15 stats are sort of ugly but they do a good job of making chei feel unique 11:58:42 elliptic: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:58:44 since if chei didn't give the stats literally no char would be better off worshipping chei I don't think 11:59:02 maybe if you have herbivore 3 and fast metab 3?? 11:59:05 just having another cool ability or two wouldn't really do the same thing 11:59:05 elliott: save scumming 11:59:08 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:11 i definitely play chei for the stats 11:59:48 is it really supposed to be possible to poison fungi 12:00:00 fungicides exist 12:00:03 -!- HLA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00:09 or whatever they are spelled in english 12:00:21 (its poison for fungi) 12:01:18 <|amethyst> split chei into 1. a god with no haste and time reversal; and 2. a god with +stats and nothing else 12:01:43 "demigod"? 12:02:21 * elliott thinks it would be cool if chei was actually just "god of time" without the slowness thing 12:02:28 but it'd be very different 12:03:08 i like the time theme in terms of having lots of room for interesting abilities, yeah 12:03:57 having slowness and +stats on one god, and time-based abilities on another could be good 12:04:53 one thing about chei is that the +stats are really necessary to compensate for slow movement by making your defenses better (especially against ranged attacks)... if they were removed, I think you'd need some sort of passive missile deflection ability at the least 12:04:55 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:04:58 i'd rather not see a god that's even closer to demigods than chei personally, the abilities are a good thing 12:05:09 elliptic: make chei gift amulet of the air 12:06:21 well missile deflection/slowing is thematic too! :P 12:06:39 turn everything into ioods 12:06:41 dpeg has plans for demigods, just no implementors 12:07:06 MarvinPA: well chei chars can't dodge IOODs very well... 12:07:17 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:08:08 heh 12:08:23 * elliott finds all the demigod proposals less interesting than existing demigods 12:08:29 also, btw, I'm opposed to the idea of chei getting more invocations without removing one of the existing ones... 4 is already a lot 12:08:46 remove slouch, good zigsprint chei nerf 12:09:06 elliott: existing demigods could be a new god 12:09:11 time travel would be a step from time replacement i guess 12:09:30 it's travel back vs travel forward 12:09:48 a conductless god? 12:10:14 there are already conductless gods 12:10:21 well, a pietyless god, I mean 12:10:33 <|amethyst> Xom is already a pietyless god 12:10:39 <|amethyst> more or less 12:10:41 I guess it could just be more stats based on piety and piety for kills or something, seems like an exceptionally boring god though 12:10:46 yes, give +stats to xom plz 12:10:50 xom seems like not a very useful comparison here :P 12:11:04 demigods have stats based on XL 12:11:31 -!- Calisca has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:16:10 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:08 -!- defeeca has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:25:43 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:23 -!- yon2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:30:30 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:39:42 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 12:46:01 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:47:23 how could "no god" be a new god 12:47:42 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 12:47:49 clouded_: "stats god" 12:54:45 Inodius? 13:02:03 -!- Xares has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:20 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 13:06:33 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:08 -!- Flyingpants has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:07:33 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:07:58 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18:26 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:53 -!- hiarr has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:24:12 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:33:50 -!- shmup_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:34:39 zin = stats god 13:44:08 alistair the Blocker (L18 TrFi) (Swamp:4) 13:50:42 <|amethyst> crash doing I/O? http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/alistair/crash-alistair-20121206-194407.txt 13:59:55 -!- kek has quit [Quit: brb] 14:03:40 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:30 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:09:57 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:10:21 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:51 -!- tJener has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:51 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 14:12:58 -!- Archibald has quit [Client Quit] 14:13:32 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:59 -!- blabber_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:18:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:19:06 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:10 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:33:07 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:15 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:59:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 15:02:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:03 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:06:09 -!- Ystah has quit [] 15:12:15 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:16:43 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 15:23:39 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:27:59 -!- animegra1pa has quit [Client Quit] 15:28:16 -!- animegrampa has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:48 -!- Griffin_ has quit [] 15:29:02 -!- Zhukov has quit [] 15:35:36 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:44:17 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:50:17 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:59:49 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 16:04:54 -!- kek has quit [Quit: f00d] 16:11:44 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:14:24 -!- shmup has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:18:05 -!- popbob has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:22:43 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:44 -!- popbob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:26:08 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:26:55 -!- oph_school has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:29:06 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:47 |amethyst: you asked me if i had a save about .. 4 hours ago? 16:32:30 <|amethyst> faze: you said you got the no-access-to-barnacled-rune bug 16:32:42 yes 16:32:53 i do not have a save prior to it, but the character is still alive 16:32:53 <|amethyst> faze: it's #5842 16:32:59 ok, let me check it out 16:33:10 yes, that was the bug 16:33:19 i had to dig into a room to grab the rune 16:33:21 ??faze[8 16:33:22 faze[8/9]: note to self: wget websites that may disappear 16:33:24 er 16:33:26 ??faze[9 16:33:26 faze[9/9]: apocalyptic merfolk cult: !lm pivotal dghu shoals rune -tv:<2 16:33:33 that's what it looks like 16:34:22 <|amethyst> add that to the bug 16:35:29 ok 16:37:10 does the level generation algorith check if there is a 'path' to the rune 16:37:23 i haven't looked into that part of the code at all yet 16:38:56 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:45 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:16 <|amethyst> It's supposed to make sure the level is connected, but vaults are exempt from that 16:45:06 ah, ok 16:46:28 <|amethyst> Since it is assumed the vault will be connected with a @ (or implicit @) or by virtual of the minivault overlapping placement 16:47:44 |amethyst: i haven't left shoals:5, if you have super duper powers to crash reset my save, you could do so 16:47:56 i am unsure how to accomplish that 16:49:41 hm, maybe |amethyst couldn't handle the loss of yatrwz 16:50:41 http://dobrazupa.org/saves/pivotal-crawl-git-a4221f0511-121206-2250.tar.bz2 16:50:42 hth 16:51:02 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:51:02 0.12-a0-1253-ga4221f0 16:52:09 i added it to my reponse to #5842 16:52:28 <|amethyst> thanks 16:52:58 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:57:53 -!- _D_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:59:10 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:06 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 17:01:19 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:08 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:19 can anyone think of a good reason for disjunction to contaminate you? 17:02:23 I should ask bh 17:05:27 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:08:14 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10:28 -!- vendetta_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13:25 magical energies 17:15:30 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:19:56 sounds like a no :P 17:21:23 you're disjunctioning your...noncontaminated parts? 17:21:26 you mean gameplay or theme? 17:21:41 also, i dont even know if it currently contaminates you 17:21:51 I mean gameplay, and it does, I am looking at the code right now 17:22:10 well, its pretty much the same as cblink 17:22:19 except worse? 17:22:28 and cblink contaminates you 17:23:16 well tornado doesn't contaminate you, and that both moves things away *and* hurts stuff :P 17:23:19 i still dont know why anyone would use it 17:23:29 (tornado is less good if you really want stuff pushed away, though) 17:23:52 disjunction works on -cTele levels and is powerful even off them... try ninjaing a zig level with it for an example of its power 17:23:56 alefury: disjunction is really strong 17:24:02 not sure why anyone wouldn't use it 17:24:24 how is it better than cblink? 17:24:32 because it is a completely different spell??? 17:24:41 it makes stuff not be next to you 17:24:52 cblink makes you not be next to stuff 17:24:54 it makes stuff not be next to you in a very efficient way 17:25:00 for a start, you can't cblink into a pack of monsters 17:25:03 -!- Dedagen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:13 also it works on orbrun 17:25:15 and be surrounded by wide open space after you do so 17:25:38 but really, it doesn't play at all like cBlink 17:25:49 you can even use the two spells together for maximum blinkiness 17:27:56 still sounds pretty terrible to me, but fully working in -cBlink areas with monsters around is nice i guess, especially with the orb run having densely packed melee dudes 17:31:22 (i meant the orb room) 17:31:35 if you tried it you wouldn't think it's terrible 17:33:56 just for comparison, ddoor is also a level 8 dual school spell 17:34:25 disjunction is not dual school 17:34:26 since when is disjunction dual school 17:34:31 ??? 17:34:34 oh, i thought it was a charm, sorry 17:34:58 <-- will stop talking about things he doesnt seem to know anything about for now 17:35:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:41:36 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:21 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:09 -!- ajikeshi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:49:38 -!- defeeca has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:56:27 -!- Nexos_ is now known as fdel 17:58:01 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:05 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:59:51 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:23 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:01:40 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:05:35 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06:53 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:30 Since there hasn't been any activity on that front for a while, I thought I might poke someone about my tentacle patch again now 18:07:33 *poke* 18:08:38 If there are any legitimately outstanding issues, could I please know what they are so that I could try to address them myself? 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Use !messages to read it. 23:26:29 ??zombie 23:26:29 zombie[1/2]: There are two kinds of zombies, small and large. All zombies are created from a base monster type. Zombies are slightly slower, slightly clumsier, have no special attacks, and take damage to maxHP instead of HP. It is very important to note that the zombie form of a normal speed monster is *slower* than normal speed! 23:26:32 !messages 23:26:33 (1/1) kilobyte said (1d 17h 35m 4s ago): having teleport bring chunks of the dungeon with you would be problematic outside of the Abyss. Inside, though, we already special-case teleportation... 23:27:06 killer bee zombie (07z) | Spd: 18 | HD: 3 | HP: 18-33 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(4), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 58 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 23:27:06 %??killer bee zombie 23:27:19 I just confused a zombie. Should that work? 23:30:28 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 23:37:34 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 23:43:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:55:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:05 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:59:20 -!- Dedagen has quit [Quit: Page closed]