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08:38:53 <dpeg> Folks, if you come up with a conclusion (e.g. to move Fannar before Lair), just do it. Otherwise all the nice talk is wasted :)
08:43:29 <kilobyte> dpeg: my beef is with monster refrigeration doing unlimited collateral damage, not with Fannar's depth
08:44:16 <kilobyte> some folk wear rC+++ and lead him around Lair and Orc, to kill all opposition
08:45:16 <dpeg> kilobyte: oh, annoying
08:46:24 <dpeg> simplest solution would be to make Fannar an elf zombie (with haste, I guess)
08:46:24 <kilobyte> it should obey foe_ratio, and skip the spell if it would do more damage to friends than enemies
08:46:34 <dpeg> that's a more complicated solution :)
08:47:12 <kilobyte> an elf zombie who can somehow still cast spells would still hurt its friends
08:47:41 <|amethyst> and would hurt itself, no?
08:47:55 <dpeg> |amethyst: rC?
08:48:03 <|amethyst> zombies only have rC++
08:48:04 <dpeg> the point is that a zombie cannot leave the level
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09:08:04 <elliott> does anyone actually kite fannar around like that?
09:08:18 <elliott> for a start, you have to be lucky enough to find rC+++ by lair/orc...
09:08:52 <elliptic> also doesn't he have summon ice beast?
09:09:03 <elliptic> I certainly agree the spell should obey foe_ratio
09:09:07 <jilles> and you gain less exp as well
09:09:58 <elliott> well, the xp isn't as much a problem if you get killed anything for you, but that strategy sounds very impractical
09:10:10 <elliott> might as well just start a summoner instead :P
09:10:19 <kilobyte> jilles: yeah, this makes this exploit mostly pointless IMO
09:10:20 <elliott> *everything killed
09:10:28 <elliptic> it's impractical, but still would be good to fix
09:10:29 <kilobyte> some folks still do it for some reason
09:10:44 <elliott> do you have any TVs? this sounds too good to miss :P
09:11:28 <kilobyte> I found it when trying to pick Grunt's OTR, and the code for both needs fixing
09:11:55 <elliptic> btw nikola is also pretty good at killing friendlies
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10:53:52 <mrwooster> what is the max size of a map?
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10:54:39 <Zaba> mrwooster, 80x70
10:54:48 <mrwooster> thanks
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10:57:53 <kilobyte> the outer edges must be impassable; if that's not the case, the limit is 78x68
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11:03:24 <mrwooster> my first attempt at a 'cathedral' style temple... this one is based on St Pauls in London... going to put a few more together https://gist.github.com/4162543
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11:32:20 <|amethyst> I'm not sure if "no_rotate" is necessary, but I see that a lot of temple layouts use that
11:34:26 <|amethyst> also, I'd prefer to either make { the centre stair, or to shuffle the stairs, but that's not a big deal
11:38:23 <mrwooster> well, traditionally cathedrals are oriented so they point easy
11:38:27 <mrwooster> *east
11:38:34 <|amethyst> oh, hm
11:38:46 <|amethyst> then you'd also want no_hmirror
11:38:52 <mrwooster> ah, thanks
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11:42:17 <|amethyst> you might also think about tiles, or see if ontoclasm has suggestions about that
11:43:51 <mrwooster> you mean use different tile types?
11:45:04 <|amethyst> yeah, to have a more cathedral-y feel (particularly the floor paving)
11:45:16 <mrwooster> ye... certainly the walls should be stone
11:45:23 <mrwooster> would be good to have a better floor too
11:46:27 <|amethyst> stone walls are an easy fix:  s/x/c/g  :)
11:46:54 <mrwooster> yep
11:47:57 <mrwooster> figured I would get the layout right then worry about the materials after... are statues allowed in the temple? would be good to have one at the end on the cathedral
11:48:47 <|amethyst> yeah, statues are fine, and a few existing temples have them
11:48:50 <|amethyst> also fountains
11:48:59 <|amethyst> (G and T respectively)
11:49:14 <mrwooster> ok, thanks
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12:24:24 <mrwooster> whats the best way to maintain a console and tiles version side by side for map testing purposes?
12:25:23 <|amethyst> I just build both every time I build; but that depends on having ccache or you'll be doing a lot of extra rebuilding
12:26:43 <|amethyst> something like   make TILES=y && mv crawl crawl-master-tiles && make WEBTILES=y && mv crawl crawl-master-web
12:26:54 <|amethyst> (I use webtiles instead of console because why not)
12:27:08 <mrwooster> can you build them to separate directories?  i just run make, then ./crawl from the source directory, but would be great to have make use 2 directories
12:27:15 <mrwooster> ah, exactly what i was looking for
12:28:03 <mrwooster> ... but doest crawl load the lua code at runtime?
12:28:04 <|amethyst> two separate directories might be simpler if you don't have ccache, because crawl forces a full rebuild whenever you change #defines or compiler flags
12:28:32 <mrwooster> hmm, might be easier just to isntall ccache
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12:47:43 <clouded_> if all you want to do is test maps you don't need to compile though, just download the binaries and put the map in a .des
12:48:30 <mrwooster> very good point
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14:34:51 <x3n0ph0b3> hey folks, this is probably a dumb question.
14:34:57 <x3n0ph0b3> the guy that runs our server just recently added crawl to the custom launcher, but we're having some problems turning DEC or IBM graphics on, it seems he can't get the rcfile options to work on his end.
14:35:28 <x3n0ph0b3> does anyone know where the individual options files are stored, server side?
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14:39:31 <lexackson> x3n0ph0b3, I think Napkin or maybe |amethyst would know about that.
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14:40:13 <edlothiol> x3n0ph0b3: on the public servers, crawl is explicitly started with -rc (filename) to set the rc file location. otherwise, it looks for init.txt in the crawl directory, or init.txt or .crawlrc or .crawl/init.txt in the home directory
14:40:22 <x3n0ph0b3> Thanks, I think we're going to bash it with rocks for just a little longer before I PM someone, right now the admin is sayin' "it looks like it doesn't do anything"
14:40:47 <x3n0ph0b3> Cos he set IBM for char_set, and he says it's reading the file, with no noticable changes.
14:40:56 <x3n0ph0b3> So off the top of your head, would we know immediately if we got it working?
14:43:06 <x3n0ph0b3> DEC or IBM, I'm assuming shouldn't look anything like ASCII
14:43:11 <edlothiol> I don't know, but I'd try something like setting status_caption_colour to red which will be immediately visible
14:43:18 <x3n0ph0b3> And if they aren't noticable there's no sense fiddling with it
14:43:37 <x3n0ph0b3> I'll suggest that
14:43:46 <edlothiol> char_set = IBM works for me, though
14:43:54 <x3n0ph0b3> he says he changed the language and it worked.
14:44:17 <x3n0ph0b3> k, we'll fiddle with it some more.
14:44:56 <x3n0ph0b3> hmm
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14:45:43 <x3n0ph0b3> thanks a bunch. I'll be back if we burst into tears trying to do something simple. I think we can figure it out eventually.
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14:49:46 <BlastHardcheese> force ascii only, problem solved
14:49:58 <x3n0ph0b3> It works on ascii, we just like DEC
14:50:00 <x3n0ph0b3> it looks fancy
14:50:07 <x3n0ph0b3> we like ascii too, I can live with it
14:50:14 <x3n0ph0b3> We were just curious if we could get DEC/IBM working
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14:51:16 <|amethyst> does manually setting things with e.g. cset = wall:Ÿ work ?
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14:51:42 <x3n0ph0b3> that's the admin, thar.
14:51:48 <x3n0ph0b3> easier not to middle man. ;D
14:51:53 <x3n0ph0b3> but I repeated your question
14:53:02 <ShadwDrgn> yes
14:53:07 <ShadwDrgn> even though char_set is dec right now
14:53:14 <ShadwDrgn> cset_ascii = wall: %
14:53:15 <ShadwDrgn> changes the walls
14:53:27 <ShadwDrgn> char_set = dec
14:53:27 <ShadwDrgn> cset_ascii = wall: %
14:55:06 <|amethyst> hm
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14:56:09 <|amethyst> what about cset = wall:x2592   ?
14:56:19 <ShadwDrgn> cset_ascii?
14:56:37 <|amethyst> I don't know if that works with cset_ascii since it's not ascii
14:56:39 <|amethyst> just cset
14:56:55 <ShadwDrgn> still #'s
14:57:32 <ShadwDrgn> is there something at compile time that would not enable the use of ibm charset?
14:57:51 <ShadwDrgn> or something i ahve to do to allow it specifically
14:59:09 <|amethyst> no, char_set is meaningful regardless of compile options (but doesn't do much in local tiles mode, of course)
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14:59:20 <ShadwDrgn> :(
14:59:24 <ShadwDrgn> so this is just magically not working
14:59:44 <|amethyst> this is a Unix system?
14:59:48 <ShadwDrgn> it's ubuntu
14:59:51 <ShadwDrgn> cuz i'm lazy
14:59:57 <|amethyst> what locale?
15:00:39 <ShadwDrgn> i forgot the command that telsl me
15:00:48 <ShadwDrgn> but it this all works fine in slash'em AND nethack
15:01:07 <|amethyst> hm... then it's probably not an 8-bit locale
15:01:22 <ShadwDrgn> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
15:01:28 <ShadwDrgn> when i run locale
15:01:30 <|amethyst> yeah
15:01:35 <|amethyst> that's fine then
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15:03:02 <|amethyst> how are you launching crawl?
15:03:06 <ShadwDrgn> dgamelaunch
15:03:34 <ShadwDrgn> telnet stream tcp nowait root.root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -h  -L /home/user/nethack/dgamelaunch
15:04:42 <ShadwDrgn> the command i'm using to launch is
15:04:42 <|amethyst> what game_args ?
15:04:44 <ShadwDrgn> /crawl/bin/crawl -name Kessa -dir /crawl/ -rc /dgldir/userdata/cr/K/Kessa/Kessa.crawl -morgue /crawl/morgues/ -macro /crawl/macros/Kessa.macro
15:04:56 <ShadwDrgn> that rcfile is correct
15:05:14 <|amethyst> hm
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15:08:44 <|amethyst> crawl is compiled with DGAMELAUNCH=y, right?
15:09:02 <ShadwDrgn> probably. lemme double check
15:09:18 <ShadwDrgn> yes
15:09:18 <|amethyst> try /crawl/bin/crawl --print-charset
15:09:18 <|amethyst> it should say "UNICODE"
15:10:02 <ShadwDrgn> This option is for DGL use only.
15:10:05 <ShadwDrgn> O.o
15:10:08 <ShadwDrgn> wtf
15:10:19 <|amethyst> that's probably the problem then
15:10:47 <ShadwDrgn> when i compiled
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15:10:48 <ShadwDrgn> i did this
15:10:49 <ShadwDrgn> make prefix=/home/user/nethack/crawl DGAMELAUNCH=y
15:11:11 <|amethyst> aha
15:11:15 <ShadwDrgn> is that wrong?
15:11:20 <|amethyst> the makefile wants USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y
15:11:24 <ShadwDrgn> amazing
15:11:27 <x3n0ph0b3> nice!
15:11:28 <x3n0ph0b3> heh
15:11:36 <|amethyst> not sure why...
15:11:45 <ChrisOelmueller> because nobody fixed it until now
15:11:51 <ChrisOelmueller> is always a good answer to that
15:11:55 <ShadwDrgn> :P
15:11:55 <x3n0ph0b3> ;D
15:11:59 <ShadwDrgn> trying to see if that fixes it
15:12:03 <ShadwDrgn> i miss my ibm graphics
15:12:06 * x3n0ph0b3 crosses fingers
15:12:13 <|amethyst> before you recompile, try setting encoding = "UTF-8"   in the dgamelaunch block
15:12:23 <x3n0ph0b3> crawl's already fancy, IBM/DEC would just add to the shininess.
15:12:23 <|amethyst> or while you're recompiling
15:13:15 <ShadwDrgn> yeah that didn't fix it
15:13:19 <ShadwDrgn> hopeuflly the recompile will
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15:17:06 <|amethyst> hm... something else to try:   char_set = unicode   then one of   cset = wall:Ÿ    (a character that is in Latin-1) compared to   cset = wall:x2592  (a character that is not)
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15:19:28 <ShadwDrgn> h/o :( ingame mail doesn't work either
15:19:36 <ShadwDrgn> so i have no way to tell one of my uses to log off
15:19:39 <ShadwDrgn> so i can install new version
15:19:51 <ShadwDrgn> would rather not kill his instance
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15:19:54 <ShadwDrgn> not sure if that would save anything
15:20:12 <|amethyst> it's the same version you already have in place, right?
15:20:18 <|amethyst> if so, you can just replace the binary
15:20:25 <ShadwDrgn> it gives "text file busy"
15:20:30 <ShadwDrgn> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/user/nethack/crawl/bin/crawl': Text file busy
15:20:35 <|amethyst> move the old one out of the way first
15:20:48 <|amethyst> (or delete it)
15:21:03 <ShadwDrgn> ah
15:21:06 <ShadwDrgn> weird that cp can't handle that
15:21:07 <ShadwDrgn> but mv can
15:21:22 <|amethyst> cp writes to an existing file
15:21:28 <|amethyst> while mv deletes and links
15:21:37 <ShadwDrgn> yeah
15:21:41 <|amethyst> (when not crossing filesystems, anyway)
15:22:01 <ShadwDrgn> ok so still fail :(
15:22:18 <ShadwDrgn> root@srvBiostar:~/nethack# chroot ./ crawl/bin/crawl --print-charset
15:22:18 <ShadwDrgn> UNICODE
15:22:49 <ShadwDrgn> locale = "en_US.UTF-8"
15:22:52 <ShadwDrgn> is in dgl conf
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15:22:56 <ShadwDrgn> is that right?
15:22:59 <|amethyst> hrm
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15:24:12 <|amethyst> the version of dgamelaunch I'm using (not the latest) doesn't have a "locale" option
15:24:32 * ShadwDrgn sighs
15:25:32 <ShadwDrgn> i don't think it's dgl
15:25:37 <ShadwDrgn> because when i run it in chroot
15:25:40 <ShadwDrgn> still no ibm
15:26:13 <ShadwDrgn> from command line
15:27:15 <|amethyst> and just to verify, running 'locale' in the chroot does say en_US.UTF-8
15:27:15 <|amethyst> ?
15:27:45 <ShadwDrgn> well there is no "locale" command in the chroot
15:27:46 <ShadwDrgn> but
15:27:57 <ShadwDrgn> i'm not running anything that would change it
15:28:01 <ShadwDrgn> and if i run it before chrooting
15:28:03 <ShadwDrgn> it is
15:28:49 <ShadwDrgn> i copied it in and
15:28:55 <ShadwDrgn> yes
15:29:10 <|amethyst> hm
15:29:19 <|amethyst> trying to think of what else could be wrong
15:30:34 <|amethyst> does    char_set = unicode   cset = wall:x2592    work?
15:31:16 <ShadwDrgn> no
15:31:27 <ShadwDrgn> Invalid glyph override: 2592
15:31:30 <|amethyst> what about   char_set = unicode    cset = wall:xde    (should use Þ for walls)
15:32:00 <ShadwDrgn> Invalid glyph override: DE
15:32:13 <|amethyst> hrm
15:32:26 <ShadwDrgn> thanks for all your help btw
15:32:43 <|amethyst> that's under    if (wcwidth(c) != 1)
15:32:46 <|amethyst> ohh
15:32:59 <|amethyst> I bet your chroot is missing the locale data for en_US.UTF-8
15:33:05 <ShadwDrgn> O.o
15:33:09 <|amethyst> so it doesn't know how wide those characters are
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15:33:18 <ShadwDrgn> how do i fix that?
15:33:39 <|amethyst> how did you make your chroot?   debootstrap, or manually?
15:33:45 <ShadwDrgn> manually
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15:34:49 <|amethyst> hm... not 100% certain, but try copying /usr/share/i18n/ into the chroot
15:35:37 <ShadwDrgn> same error still
15:36:20 <ShadwDrgn> if it were that problem wouldn't nethack be having issues too?
15:37:00 <|amethyst> nethack might not care how wide a character is
15:38:35 <x3n0ph0b3> is it viable to remake your chroot, shadw?
15:38:55 <ShadwDrgn> i'd rather not
15:39:05 <x3n0ph0b3> heh, kinda figured
15:39:06 <ShadwDrgn> we have three games installed. it'd be a lot of work
15:39:08 <|amethyst> oh
15:39:27 <ShadwDrgn> oh?
15:39:39 <|amethyst> checking something
15:40:34 <|amethyst> try also copying /usr/lib/locale into the chroot
15:41:03 <ShadwDrgn> that worked
15:41:07 <ShadwDrgn> thanks!!!
15:41:09 <ShadwDrgn> *hugs*
15:41:11 <|amethyst> woohoo
15:41:11 <ShadwDrgn> i <3 you man
15:41:24 <|amethyst> now that you have the locale you can even ♥ me :)
15:41:34 <ShadwDrgn> rofls
15:41:36 <ShadwDrgn> nah cuz
15:41:38 <ShadwDrgn> i'm in windows
15:41:45 <ShadwDrgn> no key for that
15:41:49 <ShadwDrgn> it'd be annoying to do
15:42:13 <|amethyst> you can copy-paste it and carry it wherever you go :)
15:42:17 <ShadwDrgn> true true
15:42:25 <ShadwDrgn> hrm
15:42:26 <ShadwDrgn> ok so
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15:42:30 <ShadwDrgn> the walls changed ... lol
15:42:30 <ShadwDrgn> but
15:42:37 <ShadwDrgn> i'm STILL not in ibm charseyt
15:42:39 <ShadwDrgn> >-(
15:42:52 <|amethyst> what do you mean?
15:43:01 <ShadwDrgn> AH
15:43:04 <ShadwDrgn> but now it's dgl's fault
15:43:04 <ShadwDrgn> sec
15:43:50 <ShadwDrgn> well ibmgraphics now work from the chroot in my shell
15:43:53 <ShadwDrgn> but NOT from dgl
15:45:18 <|amethyst> do you get weird characters, # again, or nothing?
15:45:23 <ShadwDrgn> it's still giving the glyph override error
15:45:25 <ShadwDrgn> in dgl
15:45:46 <|amethyst> I bet the environment isn't being set properly, then, so the locale isn't actually en_US.UTF-8
15:46:15 <ShadwDrgn> i have this though
15:46:15 <ShadwDrgn> # Locale. Leaving this out, dgamelaunch will not explicitly set locale.
15:46:15 <ShadwDrgn> locale = "en_US.UTF-8"
15:46:16 <|amethyst> the public servers use a wrapper script, and one of the things it does (on CAO and CSZO anyway) is explicitly set the locale
15:46:18 <ShadwDrgn> in my dgl config
15:46:55 <|amethyst> ShadwDrgn:  hm... do you happen to have the dgamelaunch repo URL so I can check out a copy?
15:47:05 <ShadwDrgn> i'm not on latest either actually
15:47:11 <ShadwDrgn> i'm afraid to update
15:47:11 <ShadwDrgn> hah
15:47:14 <|amethyst> or the same version anyway
15:47:23 <ShadwDrgn> https://github.com/paxed/dgamelaunch
15:47:25 <|amethyst> crawl uses a quite old, patched, version of dgl
15:47:32 <|amethyst> thanks
15:47:41 <ShadwDrgn> i've NO clue what version i'm on though
15:47:46 <ShadwDrgn> i didn't probably check it out from giyt
15:47:47 <ShadwDrgn> git
15:48:14 <ShadwDrgn> so how would i set my locale explicitly?
15:48:24 <ShadwDrgn> i'm fairly sure dgl allows you to run commands before executing the game
15:48:46 <|amethyst> yeah, but you can't set environment variables that way
15:48:59 <ShadwDrgn> couldn't i just launch with like
15:49:08 <|amethyst> I use a wrapper script
15:49:08 <ShadwDrgn> BLAH="blah /crawl/bin/crawl"
15:49:10 <ShadwDrgn> er
15:49:15 <ShadwDrgn> BLAH="blah" /crawl/bin/crawl
15:49:26 <ShadwDrgn> hrm
15:49:30 <|amethyst> that's shell syntax; I don't know if dgl understands it
15:49:37 <ShadwDrgn> yeah
15:49:50 <|amethyst> aha
15:50:02 <ShadwDrgn> O.o
15:50:08 <ShadwDrgn> that's generally a good sound?
15:50:13 <|amethyst> commands = setenv "LANG" "en_US.UTF-8"
15:50:37 <|amethyst> so it does have special-casing for setting environment variables
15:50:54 <ShadwDrgn> hmmm
15:50:57 <ShadwDrgn> ok that sort of worked
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15:51:02 <ShadwDrgn> sec
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15:51:26 <|amethyst> apparently   locale = "foo"  sets the locale for DGL itself, but doesn't pass it on to child processes
15:51:27 <ShadwDrgn> now my screen is ALL KINDS of jacked up
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15:51:37 <ShadwDrgn> ΓûÆΓêÖΓêÖΓêÖΓ
15:51:40 <ShadwDrgn> O.o!
15:53:29 * ShadwDrgn sighs
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15:53:42 <|amethyst> oh
15:53:45 <ShadwDrgn> i suppose that's progress of a sort
15:54:13 <|amethyst> your terminal is expecting CP437 encoding?
15:54:22 <x3n0ph0b3> yep
15:54:23 <|amethyst> in Crawl, the encoding is always UTF-8
15:54:27 <ShadwDrgn> yes it is
15:54:27 <x3n0ph0b3> ahhhh
15:54:36 <ShadwDrgn> hrm
15:54:36 <x3n0ph0b3> even in IBM? that's cool lol
15:54:41 <ShadwDrgn> yeah except
15:54:45 <x3n0ph0b3> looks like you'll be stuck using DEC in nethack again Shadw ;D
15:54:49 <|amethyst> yeah, char_set doesn't affect the I/O encoding
15:54:53 <ShadwDrgn> eh
15:55:07 <Cheibriados> Demonspawn level 1 scale mutation shows incorrect AC in "%" screen (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6416) by zogre
15:55:07 <ShadwDrgn> i'll just make a seperate profile in putty
15:55:07 <x3n0ph0b3> try back on UTF, does it work?
15:55:07 <ShadwDrgn> i can't live without ibm
15:55:13 <x3n0ph0b3> bah
15:55:19 <x3n0ph0b3> DEC is nice in nethack
15:55:23 <x3n0ph0b3> I like it well enough :D
15:55:29 <x3n0ph0b3> IBM is nicer, admittedly
15:55:42 <ShadwDrgn> yes
15:55:48 <ShadwDrgn> putting itb ack on utf-8 in putty works fine
15:55:54 <x3n0ph0b3> but now I'm excited to see crawl
15:55:58 <x3n0ph0b3> does it look pretty good?
15:56:02 <ShadwDrgn> looks WAY WAY nicer
15:56:03 <ShadwDrgn> yes
15:56:06 <x3n0ph0b3> ie.. CAN I SEE IT CAN I SEE IT? :D
15:56:17 <ShadwDrgn> lemme check your rcfile
15:56:20 <ShadwDrgn> to see if i even set ibm
15:56:32 <ShadwDrgn> i did
15:56:34 <ShadwDrgn> givei t a shot
15:56:35 <x3n0ph0b3> woots
15:57:21 <ShadwDrgn> bats being b instead of B
15:57:25 <ShadwDrgn> really jacking with my brain
15:58:02 <x3n0ph0b3> alright, I won't spam this channel anymore, back to esper since we got it working?
15:58:09 <x3n0ph0b3> thanks for all your help amethyst, I appreciate it too
15:58:19 <ShadwDrgn> yeah i'm really grateful thanks
15:58:46 <x3n0ph0b3> nice, it looks great :D
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16:13:10 <|amethyst> elliptic:  What's the rationale behind increasing AC from (say) slimy green from 1,2,3 to 2,3,4 but molten from 1,2,3 to 1,3,4 ?
16:13:36 <|amethyst> elliptic:  I understand that rF is better than rP, but by the time you get that benefit, the two mutations give the same AC
16:14:00 <|amethyst> elliptic:  I guess it's that the rF and rC scales are "worse now, better later" ?
16:15:52 <|amethyst> elliptic:  (if the goal is to keep the power levels relatively consistent, I'd suggest 2,3,3 for molten/icy)
16:25:46 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1225-gd98c0f8: Update scales mutations on % screen (#6416). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d98c0f87156e
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16:27:42 <ChrisOelmueller> wow, what kind of evil hack is that
16:27:57 <ChrisOelmueller> do you really need to change three different paths to change one number in those mutations?
16:28:04 <|amethyst> yes :(
16:28:08 <MarvinPA> of course
16:28:35 <BlastHardcheese> it's not a Real Program until you have at least three separate ways of doing the same thing
16:28:43 <MarvinPA> i think i made that exact same mistake when i adjusted DS scales ages ago, too
16:28:56 <ChrisOelmueller> that's Quite Horrible
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16:33:52 <elliott> ChrisOelmueller: you must be new to crawl code :P
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16:35:29 <Eronarn> i think auras are the worst
16:35:34 <ChrisOelmueller> i just decide to never again look at certain areas and am constantly adding to said list
16:35:34 <Eronarn> so much replicated code
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16:35:48 <ChrisOelmueller> and then wander off doing some python
16:35:52 <Eronarn> there are like four bitmasks and each aura has entries in them
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16:41:04 <ChrisOelmueller> what kind of rule is the whitespace in mutation-data following? it seems pretty random and inconsistent at even that
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16:51:11 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1226-ga0f196c: Indentation fixes. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 27-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0f196ca4ba9
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16:53:51 <ChrisOelmueller> oh, awesome, don't need to get dolorous onto the case
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16:54:42 <ChrisOelmueller> the padding in the first line of each item there is beyond my grasp too though, what is it even supposed to align
16:58:24 <|amethyst> good question
16:58:36 <|amethyst> I didn't notice, but that's misaligned too
16:59:01 <|amethyst> I guess the idea is to have all the fields aligned
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17:14:07 <Sizzell> fycnfyc (L22 DEFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 110: ZotDef: monster fire elemental failed to pathfind to (39,52) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef))
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17:21:41 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1227-g8f57aa4: Re-align the first six fields of mut_data entries. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 91+ 91-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f57aa4bccda
17:22:44 <|amethyst> (bug in the commit message: all the commas *except the first*)
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21:24:56 <kilobyte> Napkin: cdo has run out of disk space on /srv
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22:08:58 <Gretell> Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1227-g8f57aa4
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22:33:50 <ens> when cdo is back up, if there's an easy way to uncorrupt my savefile that'd be swell. (if it's corrupt).
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22:35:19 <ens> it was on the 0.11 branch.
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23:09:28 <elliptic> |amethyst: thanks for fixing the % scale display
23:09:29 <Henzell> elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
23:09:56 <elliptic> |amethyst: the reason for the different AC values is that molten/icy scales give -1 EV starting at level 2
23:10:28 <|amethyst> oh, duh
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23:24:02 <ussdefiant> The orc priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon the orc.
23:24:04 <ussdefiant> _The orc is healed somewhat.
23:24:20 <ussdefiant> i think there might be something off there
23:25:15 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6399
23:25:53 <Gretell> Whales (L2 DEWz)  (D:1)
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23:31:57 <|amethyst> hm
23:32:36 <|amethyst> why does  "Heal Other priest cast" not seem to work as a key?
23:34:03 <|amethyst> I guess it has to do with the order in which subsequences of the key are tried
23:34:10 <|amethyst> Heal Other cast   works
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23:38:25 <|amethyst> I guess it's time to compile with DEBUG_MONSPEAK
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23:43:24 <|amethyst> oh, DEBUG_MONSPEAK doesn't appear to do anything for casting messages
23:52:25 <|amethyst> oh, and it is skipped
23:53:07 <|amethyst> Heal Other cast real -> Heal Other cast gestures -> Heal Other orc priest cast -> Heal Other cast -> orc priest cast targeted -> (nothing else mentions the spell name)
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23:56:18 <|amethyst> and it's kind of difficult to write a speech line for "Heal Other cast" since it also has to work for blessed toes, gnoll shamans, and shedu
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