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(st) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5b2cd9b0782 03:19:51 -!- absolutego_ is now known as absolutego 03:29:41 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-1182-gb9d61b5: Webtiles: Fix the wielded weapon not showing up for spectators. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9d61b53858b 03:32:36 -!- thened has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:03 -!- morgant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:50:00 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-1183-g6effd3c: Webtiles: Don't update the turn counter during resting/running. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6effd3c4866e 03:50:00 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-1184-g09eed5a: Webtiles: Make smooth message scrolling optional. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=09eed5ab02f8 03:55:07 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-1185-g310ad1d: Webtiles: Make HP/MP bars in the stats area wider. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=310ad1d43cbf 03:56:18 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:08 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:05:21 -!- HandiCraftsman has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:06:45 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:55 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:07:21 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:03 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:50 elliptic: yes, it'd crash immediately in a more cryptic way right after that 04:11:07 it's not a fix, merely a debugging aid 04:13:18 even worse, this crash is in 0.11 too 04:13:28 the culprit: 04:13:54 %git 6f47341 04:13:54 03Grunt * 0.11-a0-3129-g6f47341: Prevent Tornado from moving monsters through solid features. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f473416a0b6 04:14:24 this commit also breaks rotating around a pillar, etc 04:15:08 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:59 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:32:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:34:44 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:56 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:46:02 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:46 -!- Tabesh has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 04:56:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:57:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1185-g310ad1d 05:03:48 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:09:44 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16:21 the enchanter description still says "They also start with good darts."... that should maybe be changed, considering there are no good or bad darts anymore? 05:16:21 edlothiol: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:17:59 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:18:36 hey, darts are good :) 05:18:53 there are no bad darts anymore 05:18:58 good darts still everywhere 05:19:12 best darts in the hands of warpers though 05:23:05 -!- axlexk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:26:36 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-1186-g19974e5: Webtiles: Show empty piety again when worshipping a god other than Xom. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19974e50f8d6 05:59:07 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:01:11 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:53 -!- Anvilgames has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:02:52 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 06:29:51 -!- Anvilgames has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:39:37 -!- HandiCraftsman has quit [Client Quit] 06:46:59 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:56 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 06:52:34 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:57 is there a way to make Xom get bored (in wizmode)? 06:57:19 does pressing 5 a bunch count? 06:57:41 -!- rkd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:59:55 set piety to 100? 07:00:42 well pressing 5 a bunch worked eventually 07:01:01 ah, setting piety also works 07:03:06 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-1187-g95747b9: Webtiles: Show Xom boredom. 10(85 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95747b995dc9 07:13:00 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:15:19 -!- Anvilgames has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:20:25 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:27:40 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 07:31:26 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:38 so this xom confusion 07:37:42 its pretty ridiculous 07:39:56 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:58:19 -!- rkd has quit [] 08:10:03 -!- rkd is now known as rkd2 08:16:20 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:25:20 -!- Gruud has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:30:41 -!- Bomanz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:34:53 -!- Anvilgames has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:35:23 -!- Flyingpants has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:36:04 -!- Ystah has quit [Quit: CyberScript - It is. 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misses, no blinking, use PoInvis, dead 14:40:05 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:40:12 i just tested and it looks very much like "sings[.| off-key.]" works as intended 14:40:25 and "sings[| off-key]." doesn't 14:41:04 oh i see the underlying bug was fixed now 14:41:37 so either would work now 14:45:11 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:17 also re: invis, it works well as-is imo but maybe it could be reflavoured or even just redescribed to make it clearer on how it's intended to work 14:46:51 ie for improving stealth/stabbing dudes rather than letting you run away from things undetected 14:47:36 -!- HangedMan is now known as GreatOrbOfEyes 14:49:02 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:52:53 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:53 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:54 -!- LoremIpsum_ is now known as LoremIpsum 14:53:20 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55:29 invis is alright even if you are non-stealthy, you just need to use it before stuff actually detects you. for example, it can be used to close distance on groups of yaktaurs, draconians, etc 14:55:29 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:55:48 "non-stealthy" here assumes that you don't wake everything up the moment it comes into view, of course... 14:56:34 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:08:05 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 15:08:35 -!- ToastyP is now known as Guest93856 15:13:04 -!- Guest93856 is now known as ToastyP_ 15:26:53 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:59 -!- axlexk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:08 -!- Gruud has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:39:43 -!- saltylicorice has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54:28 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 16:00:33 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:13 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 16:20:17 -!- nht has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:20:36 -!- syllogism has quit [] 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-!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:39:14 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:39:59 kilobyte: what is involved in removing a rod? Is tiles stuff still using the enum in a way that makes this annoying? 19:48:27 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:48:45 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:49:32 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 19:53:19 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:00:40 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 20:05:45 -!- That has quit [Client Quit] 20:06:42 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:11:07 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:13:07 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 20:19:48 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:53 elliptic: just find a cool replacement 20:22:03 that would be better than removing anyway 20:22:07 that is an option, yes 20:22:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:24:02 I'm specifically interested in removing the unthemed destruction rod (lightning bolt, fireball, iron shot) and MarvinPA wanted to remove rod of warding 20:24:27 personally I think that having a defensive rod of some sort might be okay, so maybe warding just needs a new spellset 20:25:13 and the destruction rod could be replaced with a more unique offensive rod if someone has a good idea 20:27:04 (issues with the current warding spellset: nobody uses condensation shield or cause fear, abjuration is in another rod already, and deflect missiles is extremely strong to give out for free) 20:27:41 also annyoin 20:27:42 g 20:27:56 im not so sure having a defensive rod is good 20:28:11 im way too drunk to talk about crawl though, so bye :/ 20:28:20 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:28:45 yeah, swapping to rods for buffs isn't great in general... swapping to one for abjuration seems fine to me though, and maybe there are other more proactive options 20:29:47 maybe some of the hexes could be interesting in rods, not sure... though in general I don't like copying player spells so this makes things hard 20:31:24 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:31:52 elliptic: are you saying you want a defensive rod that is evokable from your inventory? 20:32:19 faze: that sounds like it might as well not be a rod 20:32:50 right, i was going to say you might as well create a new item type for that if that's the direction you want to go 20:33:02 wand of rmsl/dmsl to go with newair 20:33:05 'talisman' or something 20:33:18 fits nicely with the evoc 27 title 20:33:59 faze: I was thinking more in terms of effects that do negative things to monsters to stop them from hurting you 20:34:08 ah 20:34:14 how about the eye of destruction attack for a rod spell? 20:34:17 like abjuration or slow except we don't really have many of those 20:34:28 evilmike: hm, would that be an infinite source of digging? 20:34:29 eye of devastation, I meant 20:34:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 20:34:40 what if there were a hex that had a chance to make monsters fail an attack/spell 20:34:45 rod only 20:34:49 we already have one with the stone of earth elementals of course (and spells), but it would bother me if people mainly used it for that 20:34:52 not quite as powerful as cause fear 20:34:52 infinite subject to a lot of waiting, sure. you can use a stone of earth elementals, or just cast a spell 20:35:12 <|amethyst> why hasn't the spell gone away yet? 20:35:40 |amethyst: kilobyte had some concerns about needing the spell for slime or something 20:35:44 something that can cause random attack failures over (formula) turns might be interesting 20:35:46 <|amethyst> hm 20:35:57 faze: that sounds sort of like antimagic 20:36:00 it would act similar to rmsl/dmsl, but for melee too 20:36:12 the effect doesn't need to be cumulative 20:36:17 |amethyst: there's also just the fact that there are a ton of ways to break down walls, but they tend to be rather tedious compared to the dig spell 20:36:24 <|amethyst> true 20:36:24 which is how antimagic works, iirc 20:36:24 so removing dig wouldn't accomplish anything, in my opinion 20:36:30 <|amethyst> rod of dig 20:36:38 <|amethyst> and remove the spell :) 20:36:44 right, a 'utility' rod would be nice 20:36:58 i guess there aren't a ton of other utility spells 20:37:01 evilmike: well, it is a boring spell... nobody is saying it is overpowered 20:37:08 <|amethyst> rod of make wall 20:37:20 |amethyst: that sounds slightly OP :P 20:37:24 <|amethyst> (as a 9 MP spell or something so you can't spam it) 20:37:28 ah 20:37:28 utility rod doesn't sound great to me 20:37:32 another possible rod spell (this one would have to be coded new): a spell with a "knockback" effect. there are obvious issues with that being a real spell, but on a rod it might be possible to balance 20:37:45 evilmike: i like that 20:38:15 evilmike: yeah, certainly a possibility 20:38:20 do monsters have a weight in aum before they become a corpse? 20:38:24 <|amethyst> knockback + irresistable damage to you 20:38:37 or are they just SZ_TINY-SZ_ENORMOUS or whatever the constants are 20:38:55 faze: monsters that produce corpses have a "mass" (that determines how heavy the corpse is) 20:39:09 ah got it 20:39:09 <|amethyst> but that has no other effects afaik 20:39:15 but better to use size if we are going to use anything 20:39:23 yeah 20:39:24 (also, for these rod spell ideas, some of these could really be single-spell rods) 20:39:25 <|amethyst> is there even a method to get it, or do you have to look it up in the monsterentry 20:39:41 is that what trampling monsters use for knockback chance? 20:40:00 evilmike: right, I actually have a commit sitting here that makes inaccuracy and summon swarm single-spell rods 20:40:05 <|amethyst> I think "utility" rods should be single-spell 20:40:16 elliptic: heh, that's something I've personally wanted for a while 20:40:17 since I think they generally work better for these unique effects 20:40:21 agreed 20:40:33 no one uses the other spells on those anyways 20:40:49 pretend i said almost no one 20:40:51 <|amethyst> with combat spells the presence of multiple activations (theoretically, unless one is much better than the rest) adds tension 20:41:01 faze: trampling monsters use size, yes 20:41:12 might as well make it symmetric then 20:41:26 <|amethyst> but, as you say, if everyone uses just one activation anyway, remove the rest (or split them off into another rod) 20:43:27 elliptic: you said you want spells to do negative things to monsters to prevent them from hurting the player 20:44:00 rmsl is essentially an LOS monster debuff, but we call it a buff 20:44:23 it's a bit different because you can use it before the fight begins 20:44:27 true 20:44:38 make a spell that injects the enemy with a terrible fungal parasite, that makes them constantly explode like a hyperactive ballisto 20:44:45 (I guess that would be a lousy rod spell though) 20:45:19 what about creating halo-type effects, call them 'auras' or something 20:45:25 'aura of inaccuracy' 20:45:48 these could possibly have negative effects on you as well 20:46:23 'aura of drain mp' has a chance to make monsters fail a spell roll, but also has a chance to subtract mp from your mp pool 20:46:49 call the evokable a 'mothball' or something ;) 20:52:29 speaking of evokables and trampling, boxes of beasts should summon friendly beasts (the '2' demon)... 20:57:22 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1202-g5597310: Cut some spells from rod spell lists. 10(12 minutes ago, 7 files, 31+ 25-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55973103720a 20:57:39 on a completely different topic, what do people think about changing jellies to speed 10 and reducing their HP? 20:58:08 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 20:59:00 -!- naaaalis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:01:42 (the motivation for this is that kiting a speed 9 monster forever and throwing stones is one of the least fun things in crawl 21:01:45 ) 21:07:35 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07:49 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:09:12 similar deal with spiny worms for anyone with a ranged attack--are there any other speed 9 monsters? 21:09:35 Well, I don't think spiny worms are as bad, in that you tend to have better ranged options by that point which are less annoying 21:10:27 kiting anything at speed 9 is still awful 21:10:42 jellies are probably the worst offender there but 21:10:56 I remember being really annoyed about spiny worms too 21:11:07 I don't know, though... spiny worms are nasty enough that it's nice being able to pull away from them 21:11:18 fr no odd-numbered speed values 21:12:57 then give them a lower movespeed so even though kiting them is possible it's less annoying? also, jellies are nasty too when they first start appearing. 21:13:31 Yeah, though less-so. I suppose I can see it arguable either way 21:14:37 <|amethyst> elliptic: what if you made them eat stones instead? 21:15:19 |amethyst: that's possible too, yeah 21:15:28 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:34 then kite them with a spear 21:15:39 <|amethyst> then you could kite them with exploding ammo, but that's fairly uncommon 21:16:01 also a lot faster 21:16:04 <|amethyst> have (non-artefact) weapons disintegrate at -9 or whatever 21:16:20 kiting with magic dart or throw frost or wand of flame or whatever is fine, it is just stones that are annoying 21:16:38 spear-kiting might be a problem, I have no idea how well that works in practice 21:17:08 <|amethyst> or make negative enchantment on polearms reduce reaching effectiveness dramatically 21:17:12 <|amethyst> if it's a problem 21:17:44 or we could make them speed 10 21:27:53 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:30:27 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 21:34:59 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:48:09 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1203-g49e4aaa: Update the spell list in handle_rod() to account for rod spell changes. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49e4aaac8716 21:50:26 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:30 -!- Pikkle has quit [Client Quit] 21:50:42 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:21 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:04 -!- saltylicorice has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:52:05 -!- [1]saltylicorice is now known as saltylicorice 21:52:46 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 21:53:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 21:53:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:34 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:54:35 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 21:57:00 -!- Trumeg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:51 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:13 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:20 -!- naalis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:01:53 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:05:39 -!- Twibatorson has quit [] 22:06:16 elliptic: sorry about the kraken crash. I tested it on the Kraken, so I'm not sure how I managed to miss that case 22:06:40 bh: kraken crashes are expected to happen ;) 22:06:57 I was surprised when I wasn't able to find any bugs testing disjunction + rolling boulder beetles! 22:07:05 ha! 22:07:21 using it with ood is fun. 22:08:15 speed 10 sounds better to me than letting them eat stones 22:08:31 it's nice to have some way of attacking early jellies 22:09:07 evilmike: what about making jellies speed 10, but making them slow down after eating 22:09:09 jelly (04J) | Spd: 9 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-30 | AC/EV: 0/2 | Dam: 808(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(12), 03poison, 08acid, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 22 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 22:09:09 %??jelly 22:09:41 do they spend a tick eating? 22:10:58 if by a tick you mean 1 aut, I'm not sure. that would be too small to notice. As far as I know they don't pause when eating 22:13:05 -!- naalis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13:59 <|amethyst> Make them chase 'food' in preference to you 22:14:25 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:15:12 |amethyst: like un-id'd wands. :) 22:15:33 <|amethyst> (would be bad if you could do that with cheap thing like darts or scrolls or potions, of course) 22:15:38 <|amethyst> things 22:16:30 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:42 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:20:23 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 22:27:09 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:30:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:31:48 |amethyst: could make jellies optimize between trying to kill you and trying to make more jellies 22:32:39 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:32:43 it could take them as long to eat something as it takes to drop it 22:32:48 |amethyst, evilmike: I'd like to change the Giant Eyeball AI such that if the eye can see you, but can't see another non-eye monster, it will lung away 22:32:50 i.e. 0.5 aut (?) 22:33:13 then dropping stuff wouldn't win you any advantage 22:33:40 bh: i dont really like the sound of that to be honest 22:33:41 ontoclasm: bad idea: Mass Aportation 22:34:09 i think giant eyeballs work pretty well, really 22:35:01 if i would change one thing about eye enemies, it would be to remove sInv from all the ones that have it, and remove MR checks from the ones that use it, since it's used inconsistently for gaze attacks (this may need rebalancing for some) 22:35:13 the lack of sInv would mean you could use invisibility to protect yourself against them 22:35:46 Does that include great orbs of eyes? 22:35:54 in general I find invisibility to be underpowered after the midgame 22:36:01 its not underpowered 22:36:09 evilmike: I am a crap player :) 22:36:20 DracoOmega: dunno about great orbs of eyes, because they feel more like traditional spellcasters. could go either way on those, i guess 22:36:39 Well, then aren't golden eyes the only ones that check MR otherwise? 22:36:49 yeah i think so 22:37:15 They'd definitely need some sort of adjustment if MR is taken out of it, because they're pretty good at confuse-locking you even with okay MR 22:37:20 if golden eyes didn't check mr they'd be nigh-inescapable in some situations 22:37:35 presumably you'd make them much less likely to act or make their confusion shorter or both 22:37:41 yeah something like that 22:37:52 or make them not generate in packs (why do they do this) 22:38:00 it's funnier 22:38:24 Well, I sort of feel that if they weren't currently in packs, they wouldn't be all that notable 22:38:26 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:38:39 (Though maybe they would be if there was no MR check) 22:39:13 no MR check, but they won't confuse you if you're invisible 22:39:27 spam invis wands until you randomly hit yourself 22:39:54 also: blind eyes are in working condition :V 22:40:05 (i'm joking don't put them in) 22:40:27 ??air elemental 22:40:28 air elemental[1/2]: An incredibly fast (speed 25) construct that can hide in empty space. Does not occur naturally outside of the Abyss, but can be summoned. Found in a couple of vaults and a wizlab as well. 22:40:39 ??air elemental[2] 22:40:39 air elemental[2/2]: High-level (15 skill) air elementalists can control these beasts to deadly effect, but always (doubly so at low skill) be prepared to deal with a hostile one. See {air elemental fan}. 22:40:54 Are there any enemies that move clouds or are immune to cloude based attacks? 22:41:04 twisters> 22:41:05 ? 22:41:12 ??twister 22:41:12 twister[1/1]: Free-flying {tornado}, fortunately confused and low power. Has 10000 HP, but you'll only ever encounter summoned twisters so you can just abjure it or run away and wait for it to time out. 22:41:13 only by dint of cheating though 22:41:14 maybe the no-mr-check thing could be done for GooEs... those things seem pretty harmless when they show up, unless you get one that's OOD 22:41:34 I mean, paralyse is dangerous, but almost everything they do gets resisted 22:41:46 I've been put into bad situations by them more than once before 22:41:52 I distinctly remember one death, too 22:42:31 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:42:37 Of course, they could be adjusted to compensate for no MR check (but remember that they also require line of fire, unlike the MR-ignoring gazes) 22:43:04 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:12 -!- saltylicorice has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:44:13 -!- [1]saltylicorice is now known as saltylicorice 22:44:55 evilmike: they are already very dangerous with low MR on low-AC chars 22:45:05 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:45:18 they're probably fine as they are yeah 22:45:24 clearly the solution to MR-ignoring eyes 22:45:27 is to implement towels 22:46:30 ??fire elemental 22:46:30 fire elemental[1/1]: Fast elemental that trails fire. Doesn't hit very hard, but can destroy your scrolls. Often indicates the presence of {Azrael}. 22:46:32 i tend to play very paranoid with MR stuff, so i dont tend to notice how dangerous some of these monsters are 22:47:54 -!- naalis has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:48:33 -!- saltylicorice2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:49:53 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:57:08 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:58:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:02:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:35 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:13:43 -!- Dixbert_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:15:31 -!- namad7 has quit [] 23:18:14 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:25:12 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:33:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:35:58 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:53 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121120062532]] 23:39:50 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:47:15 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:47:45 -!- zero_one has quit [Client Quit] 23:52:27 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Client Quit] 23:53:26 -!- zero_one has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:03 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]