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enchantress from my map just because it was so awful there 02:54:54 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:15 for me its not some sort of anti-abyss thing, its just that the abyss has to be flooded with weird rules just to make it "work" in sprint 02:55:31 and even then it detracts from the idea of the whole game on a single map 02:56:26 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:57:53 yeah that's why it bothers me 03:02:45 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:02:50 -!- ontoclasm2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:14 oh, on the subject of sprint, I realized somethign cool the other day: you can put the orb of zot in a store (and runes too), and it works :P 03:05:24 I want my abyssprint :( 03:05:31 for sprint, you could make a non-linear map where the goal is to find the gold 03:05:31 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:46 yeah that's cool 03:05:50 shopping spree sprint 03:06:13 you could make the store have the orb and 15 runes. only need the orb to win, but extra runes mean a higher score 03:06:15 with shopkeeper unique 03:09:23 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: tollymain] 03:10:09 that idea would be great if you did an overworld style multilevel sprint 03:15:32 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:05 -!- ontoclasm2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:16:05 man I'm sucking at my own sprint right now 03:16:16 for some reason I can't beat it anymore :( 03:17:51 main thing is that it's beatable 03:18:16 i find it hard to make something that big and still have the patience to play through it 03:22:55 -!- ontoclasm2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:04 I've had some really good playtesting by some guys in ##crawl 03:23:18 they termcasted it a fair bit 03:25:10 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:26:11 -!- ontoclasm2 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:26:22 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:00 -!- ontoclasm2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:36 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:38:56 -!- Mu_ 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I've just chosen stuff, not sure how it'll look 07:22:36 oh hm 07:31:40 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:42 New branch created: tentacallis (25 commits) 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1015-gc04d0fe: Add placeholders for tentacled starspawn and its tentacles 10(6 weeks ago, 2 files, 39+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c04d0fe54527 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1016-g394683f: Refactoring of tentacle code 10(5 weeks ago, 10 files, 174+ 106-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=394683fad494 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1017-g71d3555: Refactor kraken death code 10(4 weeks ago, 4 files, 44+ 53-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=71d35551bd82 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1018-gcab092a: Merge a few nearly-identical routines 10(4 weeks ago, 4 files, 9+ 21-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cab092a147d4 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1019-g1765778: Refactor some tentacle adjacency and swapping checks 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 26+ 23-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1765778a4a58 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1020-g6f1b0c1: Refactor propogation of tentacle attitude changes 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 25-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f1b0c1c9df2 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1021-g4ead4c3: Fix eldritch tentacles not properly dying from being severed 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ead4c3c3fc7 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1022-gfed221a: Some more minor tentacle refactoring 10(4 weeks ago, 4 files, 4+ 12-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fed221adcc43 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1023-gc1da4a0: Fix logic error in tentacle death code 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1da4a093126 07:33:46 03DracoOmega 07[tentacallis] * 0.12-a0-1024-g9c1a6d6: Fix teleporter traps and sanctuary disconnecting tentacles 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 8+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c1a6d617058 07:33:46 ... and 15 more commits 07:34:12 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:40:20 Sounds delicious. 07:42:19 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:42:58 -!- Bomanz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:43:21 Keskitalo: Yo, not sure if you still do dev stuff, but you might be interesting in watching this guy's videos on crawl. He's only just gone through the tutorial, but I know you did some work with that sort of thing. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheUberHunter?feature=g-u-u 07:43:49 It's kind of painful to watch for me, not going to lie. 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Care to review them? 08:30:35 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 08:39:26 !tell galehar ahhh how is this thread still open? https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6174 08:39:26 alefury: OK, I'll let galehar know. 08:42:06 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:44:46 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45:15 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:07 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:52 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: schuft] 09:09:44 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:36 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:38 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:27:29 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 09:30:22 regarding merge requests, do you guys prefer a rebased-onto-latest-master branch, or a merged-into-latest-master branch? 09:31:39 -!- Sildraith has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34:40 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:37:40 -!- User82 has quit [Quit: User82] 09:39:18 <|amethyst> Hm... 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-!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:56 So I see that a tentacle branch has been created :) 13:21:04 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:42 i tried it out briefly, looks cool 13:23:40 was fun making the starspawn wrap a tentacle all the way around a pillar and pull me away from the head in a big circle :P 13:24:28 Yeah, isn't it? 13:24:28 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 13:24:49 also i think they should be lightcyan instead of cyan maybe to be more noticeable, although then that'd have to be removed from kraken colours or something 13:25:25 I have no opinion. I don't play enough console to really have one. 13:25:35 So if you think it's a good idea, sure 13:25:38 although obviously that's not particularly important compared to making sure they actually work :P 13:25:42 Yeah 13:25:49 btw why don't wretched stars spawn? 13:26:05 I did test them (and krakens, after the changes) pretty thoroughly in a number of situations, but it's obviously possible I still missed something 13:26:41 because the patch implementing them didn't add them to spawn lists i imagine :P 13:26:54 i can pick an arbitrary abyss rarity i guess 13:27:16 maybe cherrypick lurking horrors from inception to test those too 13:28:10 I did not want to enable them just to create conflicts with mon-pick, but that's not a big thing 13:29:11 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:33 make them as common as ufetubi 13:31:35 what could go wrong 13:34:21 Can think of a few things.... 13:34:54 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 13:37:45 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:42 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:52:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:01:20 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:26 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:51 -!- unferth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 14:10:17 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:13:45 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:03 Scroll quotes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6371) by WarukuZ 14:21:41 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:25:50 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:37 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:44 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:32:23 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:08 is there a trick to get the build system to display the actual command being run (instead of "LINK crawl")? 14:34:51 oh, V environment variable 14:35:06 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:36:41 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 14:37:29 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:38:17 -!- Tijol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:39:00 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:48:21 ??git 14:48:22 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl 14:48:25 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:52 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48:58 ??git[2] 14:48:59 git[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 14:49:19 ??learndb 14:49:20 learndb[1/11]: A html page of learndb entries is at http://crawl.develz.org/learndb/index.html. You can also access the learndb at http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots. 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Use !messages to read it. 17:02:52 I imagine this hypothetical str-artifact to be a giant hammer. Probably a renamed great mace with some stats changed 17:03:04 "maxwell's silver hammer" 17:03:07 heh 17:03:08 mm 17:03:12 also: i think i'm going to get abyssed by galehar or one of the other devs when they see what i've done to output.cc :D 17:03:19 stealth str buff 17:03:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:40 it just seems like a fun idea. The one melee weapon where str actually does something! 17:04:37 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:06:57 !messages 17:06:57 (1/1) Moredread said (1d 4h 18m 5s ago): could you please push your gui changes for android to a seperate branch, I'd like to try them, even if they don't work perfectly yet 17:07:35 -!- humanwaffle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:07:55 ooh, a victim^H^H^H^H^H^Htester :D 17:11:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:21 -!- ZuriZ has quit [Quit: Trolling Time Wait What...] 17:12:57 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:14:07 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 17:28:40 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:54 :p 17:29:08 -!- ontoclasm2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:31:05 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:47 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:48 if you wanted a .apk i can probably get one up on mediafire or something tonight 17:32:01 if you want in at the source code you'll have to give me a day or two though 17:32:42 galehar did a load of work whilst i helped by spending 6 weeks playing borderlands 2 instead of coding anything 17:32:59 and now all my git config's jiggered 17:45:54 np, i'd take the apk first and the source later :p 17:47:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:50:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:55 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:55:35 -!- Action_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:58:31 -!- helloiamacat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:10:51 !seen galehar 18:10:51 I last saw galehar at Tue Oct 30 21:57:13 2012 UTC (1w 3d 2h 13m 38s ago) saying bow bashing sounds fine for dealing with toadstools on ##crawl-dev. 18:10:52 I last saw galehar at Sat Nov 3 18:06:18 2012 UTC (6d 6h 4m 33s ago) quitting with message *.net *.split. 18:11:06 nice split memory 18:11:14 -!- Frisco has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:32 Ooo... wretched stars that actually appear! Now I guess I need to spectate every game that ends up in the Abyss after the servers update tonight :P 18:14:42 you can just nickbeep on wretched or something 18:15:03 or highlight, or whatever you want to call it 18:15:13 are they all that likely to kill you directly, though? 18:15:23 Error calling monster-trunk: 18:15:23 %??wretched star 18:15:23 they seem like more of a "disabler" type monster 18:15:25 oh right 18:15:27 do they even have damage 18:15:29 clearly the highlight is for people doing ??wretched_star 18:15:32 well, people would presumably say "ohhh, a wretched star!" 18:15:34 don't they have imb still 18:15:45 i guess you could get killed by statdeath from temp mutations 18:16:34 Yes, they do have mystic blast, but are probably unlikely to kill you on their own unless you're quite low level 18:17:23 But still, would be fun seeing people run into them 18:18:44 -!- Bomanz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:19:18 Is the code for whatever parses the monster data for the bots public somewhere? I'm tempted to try and patch it so that it will not just crash on wretched stars for silly reasons 18:19:44 ??monsters[4] 18:19:44 monsters[4/4]: The most up-to-date code for @?? and @? can be found at http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=monster-trunk.git , or clone from http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git , branch 'bleeding-edge-crawl'. 18:20:44 Thanks 18:22:01 MarvinPA: i am testing a new method of allowing training of any weapon skill with a cursed weapon 18:22:19 if it works, will you tell me how to git format-patch 18:22:20 training any weapon skill at all sounds bad 18:22:25 you should have to have the weapon in your inventory 18:22:26 i am a dumb github user 18:22:29 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: the crash is mon_special_ability -> flash_view_delay -> viewwindow -> draw_cell 18:22:29 elliott: yes 18:22:40 that is what i aim to do 18:22:53 faze: just git format-patch HEAD should do it 18:23:00 or git format-patch HEAD^, I can never remember which 18:23:01 do i have to commit my stuff 18:23:08 ideally 18:23:10 or MarvinPA gets sad 18:23:13 is HEAD^ == HEAD~1 18:23:32 yes 18:23:34 ok 18:23:49 should i compile on linux to test, or is testing on an mbp good enough 18:24:09 faze: yes to both questions iom 18:24:12 *imo 18:24:17 ok 18:24:25 i just compile on the mbp because it's slightly faster 18:24:30 <|amethyst> faze: compiling on any OS is fine :) 18:24:33 ok 18:24:55 <|amethyst> well, the code should compile on all of them :) 18:25:06 indeed it does 18:25:12 <|amethyst> but testing with one is probably fine unless you're messing around with OS-specific stuff 18:25:41 so this time i tried adding all the weapon skills to `bool training_restricted(skill_type sk)` to return false 18:25:56 we'll see if that lets you train any weapon skill from turn one or not 18:26:06 oh, (skills.cc, 436) 18:26:25 <|amethyst> faze: I believe it will 18:26:28 yep 18:26:37 why not just leave it like that? :) 18:26:54 it is much more consistent to require you to have a weapon of the relevant type in your inventory 18:26:57 so much easier than excising a bunch of code i have no idea how it works 18:27:00 e.g. you can't train magic schools without a relevant spell 18:27:17 (maybe that is not ideal but it's a lot bigger a change than just removing the dumb curse/disto/vamp thing imo) 18:27:25 like, the data structure used for storing which skills you can and can't train are used for things other than cursed weapons 18:28:00 i could probably figure out how to do it 18:28:21 wait, can you train shields no matter what now, or do you need a shield? 18:28:26 -!- ren-cs has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [SeaMonkey 2.13.2/20121026204658]] 18:28:51 faze: I think you actually need to be wearing the shield to train it 18:28:53 or wait 18:28:55 no 18:28:58 <|amethyst> faze: check item_skills in itemprop.cc 18:29:03 you just need to not be using a two-handed thing 18:29:04 one piece of the "can i train this skill" code adds SK_SHIELDS to "trainable" when you worship tso and gain divine shield 18:29:06 please, people, remember why these restrictions are actually in the game: so people dont have to look at all the fucking skills all the time, especially new players 18:29:09 you need to be wearing the shield iirc 18:29:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:27 <|amethyst> faze: in particular the _item_is_swappable and _slot_blocked checks 18:29:27 alefury: yes, that is one benefit of requiring a weapon to train a skill 18:29:28 alefury: uh i am arguing to show fewer skills than faze's code does 18:29:30 the dumb part is that sometimes you cant train something you want to train 18:29:35 |amethyst: thanks 18:29:35 not that you cant always train everything 18:29:57 (you should be able to train shields while just carrying one for consistency IMO) 18:29:58 i would like to figure out a way to do this where you can only train weapons you have in your inventory 18:30:01 (even while wielding two-handers) 18:30:05 elliott: agreed 18:30:10 <|amethyst> alefury: what if I'm playing a MfNe and want to train polearms from turn one? 18:30:20 then youre fucked, and that is okay imo 18:30:22 |amethyst: that's a fairly big balance change IMO 18:30:35 when all the weapon skills are enabled from the beginning, armour starts on 'm' 18:30:41 like maybe it is correct but i think it is bad to do that just because the current behaviour with curses is silly 18:30:42 that is way too many skills 18:30:56 crawl light lets you train all skills always... it feels very different 18:31:01 if it weren't for ash, i bet curses would've been removed long ago 18:31:02 i have argued to always allow training everything, but not showing everything, so you have to use * to enable it (long ago) 18:31:07 i still think this would be a good approach 18:31:12 alefury: agreed 18:31:28 although, spell school restrictions are still good, imo 18:31:44 <|amethyst> why are spell school restrictions good but not weapon restrictions? 18:31:58 because people are stupid 18:32:01 haha 18:32:02 thats basically the only reason 18:32:14 you dont really want to train something you cant use 18:32:16 i have no justification for my opinion 18:32:21 but some players may not know that 18:32:43 -!- Rofaner has quit [Client Quit] 18:32:58 -!- Flunbolic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:33:04 well, if a worship vehumet, and know i will be getting poison arrow, i could either memorize meph cloud to train poison, or just train it if all skills are allowed 18:33:27 you can easily carry a weapon of each type, but you might not have a lvl 1 spell for each school (early) 18:33:28 or you could train something useful until you get poison arrow 18:33:49 what if i can already kill everything in lair with ease, and want to be able to one shot cyclopes in D? 18:33:57 and centaur warriors 18:34:29 i'm talking about starting to train it once i get gifted the book of conjurations, so within 5k turns of getting annihilations 18:34:34 if you can kill everything in lair with ease you have probably already won? 18:34:44 not necessarily 18:34:46 i think the current system works just fine balance-wise 18:34:51 same 18:34:54 like the restrictions actually matter especially for spell things 18:34:59 yes 18:35:03 weapons? not so much 18:35:07 and i don't see a reason to be inconsistent with spells vs. weapons here 18:35:09 i dont think it would change balance *at all* if you could always train everything 18:35:15 since consistency is, like, good 18:35:18 the only time it matters is with Curse weapons i guess 18:35:19 seriously, nobody would notice the difference 18:35:26 regarding game difficulty 18:35:28 and those will burn you out of ?rc if you swap too much 18:35:39 alefury: i would find the game much easier 18:35:50 maybe not much easier, but it would make some things easier 18:35:55 like what? 18:36:00 <|amethyst> non-casters with magical staves 18:36:03 like i said, pre training for spells 18:36:04 <|amethyst> or pain weapons 18:36:06 pain waepons 18:36:07 yes 18:36:21 yes pain weapons are a good example 18:36:21 sometimes you get a pain weapon early, and no necro spells until later 18:36:22 |amethyst: because it is so hard to find a lowlevel necro spell? 18:36:29 it can be 18:36:35 of course you can't always find a low-level necro spell at any time 18:36:40 sure, it happens occasionally, yes 18:36:45 weapons are floor trash, books are not 18:36:50 and an early pain weapon is really great, so this does in fact change balance more than the not at all you said it would... 18:36:59 this is the difference with training restrictions to me 18:37:18 you can collect a weapon of each type by d:8 typically, sometimes earlier 18:37:29 this is not typically teh case for spells from each school 18:37:31 okay, i suppose there is one case where it would make a real difference, which comes up in maybe 1% of games 18:37:35 faze: including staves? 18:37:42 yes 18:37:51 quarterstaves are pretty common 18:37:56 by D:8 I guess 18:37:59 yeah 18:38:14 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:38:19 alefury: also: sif 18:38:29 and trog gifts 18:38:31 they look at your skills 18:38:38 you could influence them more easily 18:38:43 forcing a skill training change on weapon curse if you have a single skill enabled is just an interface screw 18:38:51 i hope you are not seriously saying that is relevant to game balance 18:39:03 uh... yes i am 18:39:04 <|amethyst> elliott: well, with trog you can have picked up an appropriate weapon well before you get gifts 18:39:14 |amethyst: sure, it's more relevant for magic again 18:39:20 because of mere commonality 18:39:46 anyway maybe it is more fuss than necessary but it seems ridiculous to say it doesn't change balance at all to me 18:40:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:40:36 elliott: the sif thing doesnt make the game easier though, because you are training a useless skill until you get a nice gift, which can take a long time 18:41:00 it just doesnt help you win 18:41:14 it may help you fulfill the plan you have made up for your char, but thats not relevant to balance 18:42:08 uh... are you saying letting the player achieve things they could not otherwise is irrelevant to balance? 18:42:10 this is unproductive 18:42:41 elliott: if there is a huge disadvantage to achieving this, yes 18:43:35 but yeah, unproductive :/ 18:45:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 18:45:55 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46:01 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 18:46:38 I think you're both wrong 18:46:55 -!- popbob has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:47:01 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:29 i think Wensley_ is wrong 18:47:47 elliott: how many messages did you have today 18:48:07 Wensley_: did you finish that lua thing yet 18:48:13 elliott: I'll send you those messages as soon as I finish waiting for this test suite to complete 18:48:27 I can't tell what people are arguing about really but if faze is making it so that curse and vamp/disto status don't affect skill training, then that sounds good to me 18:48:46 elliptic: the argument was whether letting you train any skill at any time would affect balance 18:49:02 i was saying yes 18:49:09 but yes i think that is what faze is doing? 18:49:21 right now his code lets you train any weapon skill at any time but i think he is changing that or something 18:49:32 elliott: if you could train any skill at any time then I could train invo with trog 18:49:48 this is the only time in my life I've ever wanted to train any skill at any time 18:49:56 !lg * title=bane of scribes 18:49:56 1. MarvinPA the Farming Bane of Scribes (L27 NaIE), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-08-17 15:18:31, with 6657318 points after 313440 turns and 29:33:00. 18:49:58 rest in peace cool rare titles 18:50:05 marvinpa did it first, nobody else deserves it 18:50:15 Wensley_: it would also be good to be able to get penance at any time 18:50:18 with any god 18:50:42 since some titles are actually impossible as is :( 18:50:42 I don't understand but sure 18:50:53 Wensley_: some titles apply only in penance 18:50:55 but are for gods without penance 18:50:57 most important thing is becoming lord of bugs 18:50:58 oh weird 18:51:00 it isn't possible to get vehumet penance, for instance 18:51:00 I had no idea 18:51:04 how does one become lord of bugs 18:51:08 because nothing angers vehumet 18:51:09 the solution is to remove gods with no conducts 18:51:10 obviously 18:51:32 veh penance on casting charms 18:51:37 instant veh nerf to oblivion 18:51:53 <|amethyst> veh penance on melee 18:51:54 or giant bug 18:52:22 |amethyst: i prefer veh hating constructive things 18:52:24 veh penance on casting a summoning spell 18:52:38 veh penance on quaffing heal woudns with a monster in sight instead of killing it 18:52:45 elliott: btw I think there's an infinite race condition in this test suite so I might never in my life get around to sending you those messages 18:53:16 Wensley_: i'll weep at your deathbed 18:53:17 I wonder how would one get buglet 18:53:26 veh penance on moving 18:53:29 enforced blinkrobin 18:54:12 veh penance on not killing all allies 18:54:19 see also: kiku, lugonu, makhleb 18:54:31 lugonu should hate it if you do orderly things 18:54:40 nemelex 18:54:41 makhleb could hate holy stuff?? like holy word and weapons of holy wrath 18:54:42 etc 18:54:42 how does ash penance work 18:54:45 since god of hell 18:54:51 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:53 kiku could hate... especially lively things 18:54:56 you can't get ash penance either I guess 18:54:58 nemelex could hate, um, not taking chances 18:54:59 especially 18:55:04 ash penance for reading amnesia scroll 18:55:08 b/c it's getting rid of knowledge 18:55:15 ash penance for being in labs and abyss because maprot 18:55:33 ash penance for being in labs 18:55:33 ash piety for letting labs time out 18:55:33 ash buff 18:58:36 <|amethyst> I was under the impression that Ash wants you to explore so e can see stuff 18:58:50 <|amethyst> doesn't matter if *you* forget, the knowledge still exists 18:59:00 <|amethyst> since presumably Ash doesn't 18:59:04 |amethyst: then why doesn't ash turn mapping on in abyss and lab 18:59:08 since ash shares knowledge with you 18:59:22 or why doesn't ash turn off labs for you 18:59:26 <|amethyst> FR 18:59:27 because he's so sad about them 18:59:36 if ash turned off abyss and just like gave you the rune somehow 18:59:40 i would worship ash every game 18:59:41 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:00:03 ash altar vault with abyssal rune 19:00:30 yes 19:00:38 ash vault with a million mimics "it's okay since there's a fedhas vault doing the same thing" 19:00:38 but you can't get to it unless you worship 19:00:47 people would think it's a mimic 19:00:52 because dumb mimic vaults 19:00:54 :( 19:01:16 ChrisOelmueller: just have it pre-inscribed {actually the abyssal rune} 19:01:26 surely that's what a mimic would do 19:01:28 well there's only that entry vault that's left for mimics that miss the point of mimics 19:01:34 can you get item mimics autoinscribed 19:01:36 and then die to one 19:01:41 haha 19:01:42 so you can die to a rune of zot mimic {hi ##crawl} 19:02:00 are there text limits to inscriptions 19:04:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:05:40 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1022-g01ddba3: Remove unnecessary calls to burden_change(). 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01ddba3dbfab 19:06:18 -!- thedead1 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:09:07 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:09:30 -!- ljosh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:38 <|amethyst> %git 99613e666e6e44d419c74304adb359f8b92996a6 19:09:38 03nlanza * r99613e666e6e: Basic repository structure; a trunk, space for branches. 10(6 years ago, files, + -) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99613e666e6e 19:09:40 <|amethyst> doh 19:11:26 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:22:55 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:24:59 -!- guryu has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 19:25:07 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 19:28:52 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:07 <|amethyst> btw, why do we spell it "evokable"? 19:31:31 and abbreviate invocations as Invok in action counts 19:31:36 that is a good question 19:32:27 <|amethyst> "Invoke" there makes sense, since most of the things there (except Abil and Melee) are verbs 19:34:01 <|amethyst> (and "melee" is often used as a verb by rl players) 19:36:26 -!- swolie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:36:47 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:40:34 Moredread: this build is going to take longer than i thought - i'll post an apk link in the android port thread on the forums tomorrow 19:41:52 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:18 -!- Rewans has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:28 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:45:26 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:55 -!- WarukuZ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 19:46:02 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:34 -!- guryushika_ has quit [Quit: If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments] 19:47:39 |amethyst: people use "evocable" more than "evokable" I think 19:47:56 <|amethyst> elliptic: right 19:48:10 <|amethyst> elliptic: so why don't we spell it that way? 19:48:19 oh, is the word actually used in-game somewhere? 19:48:59 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:03 <|amethyst> dunno, I was talking about the source :) 19:57:34 -!- codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:05:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:56 -!- Tenaya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:09:38 -!- repent has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:10:45 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:30 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:35:46 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:03 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:00 -!- zero_one has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:46 -!- rkd has quit [] 20:39:30 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:41:03 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:45:22 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:23 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:50:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:17 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 20:58:20 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:33 FWIW the correct spelling is "evocable" 21:01:52 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:19 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:57 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:49 -!- neynt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:57 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:28:02 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:03 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:34 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:35:58 -!- Satans_mechanic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:42:04 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:29 -!- johnstein has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 21:55:24 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:01 -!- ZuriZ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:57:06 -!- Fire-Wolf is now known as ZuriZ 21:59:50 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:54 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:03:58 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:07:17 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 22:07:37 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1022-g01ddba3 22:13:41 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-1023-g1913673: Fix an incorrect feature name in the docs (WarukuZ). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=191367362310 22:13:45 Misnamed altar in vault-making (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6372) by WarukuZ 22:14:08 |amethyst: nice fixing a bug before it's reported 22:14:14 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:28 -!- Sab0t has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:15:23 |amethyst has joined dolorous in commiting from the future 22:15:51 is there a way to create just any old randart in wizmode? unidentified 22:15:58 oh, &+ 22:16:06 oh 22:16:08 &+ pre-identifies it 22:17:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17:54 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 22:18:12 hm 22:18:21 i guess the easiest thing would just be to un-identify it? 22:18:37 <|amethyst> that can lead to weird results sometimes I think 22:18:58 or worship oka and set piety to 200 22:19:06 <|amethyst> &%any randart 22:19:31 alright, thanks 22:19:33 <|amethyst> or &%any randart jewellery or &%randart plate armour 22:24:12 setting piety to 200 is weak. what you really want to do is go okawaru at xl1, spawn cerebov, and cast debugging ray on him 22:25:30 evilmike: spawn cerebov rather than going to pan and placing his map? how gauche 22:25:46 &M cerebov 22:25:59 fr: you can't &M uniques outside of their habitat 22:28:18 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Quit: now I'll never be the very best] 22:31:39 -!- ZuriZ has quit [Quit: Trolling Time Wait What...] 22:40:59 |amethyst: what about generating a shop with some randarts in it? :p 22:41:13 * elliott should learn the item syntax... 22:43:43 <|amethyst> something like any shop use_all ; any randart | any randart | any randart but I haven't tested 22:44:02 <|amethyst> I don't know if there's a way to create a custom shop at runtime 22:44:35 <|amethyst> or an arbitrary feature by spec 22:44:46 ah, point 22:45:01 oh, but I can just create an antique shop, right? 22:45:22 <|amethyst> right, but they're not guaranteed to have artefacts 22:45:35 right, but more likely, aren't they? 22:46:57 <|amethyst> they have higher-level items, yes 22:47:14 managed to test it just by making a regular jewellery shop 22:48:18 -!- WarukuZ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:36 Hey... 22:49:07 I'm new at this... 22:49:24 How do I rename a corpse and delay decay? 22:49:30 KITEM: W = : dgn.delayed_decay(_G, 'w', 'human name:paladin n_spe n_rpl corpse') doesn't work... 22:49:38 oops 22:49:39 wait. 22:50:06 nope 22:50:08 <|amethyst> that's not how you use delayed_decay 22:50:23 oops. 22:50:27 <|amethyst> : dgn.delayed_decay(_G, 'W', 'human....corpse') 22:50:29 It kinda, messed up. 22:50:31 <|amethyst> no KITEM: 22:50:31 I see. 22:52:10 KITEM: dgn.delayed_decay(_G, 'w', 'human name:paladin n_spe n_rpl corpse') 22:52:20 Or just 22:52:25 :dgn.delayed_decay(_G, 'w', 'human name:paladin n_spe n_rpl corpse') 22:54:32 Well, neither work. 22:54:47 The KITEM is giving me a 'bad item' error. 22:56:25 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:57:01 Hello? 22:57:23 <|amethyst> and the second one? 22:57:29 <|amethyst> as I said, no KITEM 22:57:31 <|amethyst> just: 22:57:33 <|amethyst> : dgn.delayed_decay(_G, 'W', 'human....corpse') 22:57:58 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:59:37 -!- UbAh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:42 -!- Tijol has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:01:51 <|amethyst> WarukuZ: 'w' is the map glyph 23:02:02 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:28 -!- repent has quit [Client Quit] 23:03:54 Yeah? 23:04:12 <|amethyst> so did you want it to be on W or w ? 23:04:22 oops 23:04:24 Thanks. 23:04:33 That explained the puddles and fountains instead of corpses. 23:04:38 <|amethyst> :) 23:05:26 Hmm... kinda boring. 23:05:46 A battle between the forces of the Good and Evil gods probably should've left some destruction... 23:06:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06:30 No traps, no features other than altars... it could use a few things. 23:07:46 Probably a few visible shafts as craters... 23:07:50 if you put traps in a vault please pre-reveal them 23:08:16 Uh... 23:08:24 Like I said, visible shafts. 23:08:42 i wrote that before you said that 23:08:49 Oh. 23:08:51 :P 23:09:55 Besides corpses, that's probably the best battlezone aftermath... 23:11:56 KFEAT: N = ....uh... visible shaft? 23:12:21 it's revealed shaft I think? not sure 23:12:58 <|amethyst> known shaft I believe 23:14:12 Is there somewhere that has a list of all of the names? 23:15:10 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:17:24 -!- eb has quit [] 23:18:09 I've tried many combinations, but can't figure it out... :( 23:18:29 <|amethyst> hmm... known shaft trap perhaps 23:19:22 looks like it. 23:19:24 <|amethyst> trap_names in describe.cc 23:19:47 Thanks. 23:23:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:24:49 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:26:39 <|amethyst> elliott: because it's right next to tab 23:26:41 <|amethyst> doh 23:31:59 ... 23:32:08 I got it mostly working, thanks. 23:32:13 Now... 23:33:49 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:33:59 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:35 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:38:05 Time to perhaps add a few blood stains to the floor. 23:38:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:43 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:57 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 23:43:23 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:45:45 Yes! My first ever vault! 23:45:50 I finally made one. 23:46:51 hi 23:46:59 is it good 23:55:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 23:55:55 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:57:04 -!- morgant has quit []