00:00:14 -!- virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:01:17 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-984-g507c6f2 (34) 00:01:29 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-984-g507c6f2 (34) 00:05:42 yeah, a spatial vortex probably shouldn't be a rainbow tornado 00:06:11 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:06:28 and vapours are a 00:06:34 white thing 00:06:54 it's about 5 seconds the the ms paint spraycan tool 00:07:59 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:08:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-984-g507c6f2 00:10:29 -!- andrew__ is now known as andrewhl 00:20:39 -!- ktgrey has quit [] 00:20:47 -!- sk3 is now known as ktgrey 00:21:39 -!- mineral has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:03 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:23:29 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 00:24:41 -!- sfogarty has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:16 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:21 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:57 -!- malabolg has quit [Client Quit] 00:40:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:44:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:47:24 -!- yahhmm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:28 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 01:02:06 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:04:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:05:41 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:45 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:07:31 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 01:08:49 -!- chewymouse has quit [Client Quit] 01:13:38 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:58 so, has anyone else picked up more than one rune in vaults in trunk lately? 01:16:16 kilobyte MarvinPA ^ 01:19:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 01:19:06 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:49 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:12 -!- ElMuncho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:36:43 yes, the bug is reported at least twice 01:37:10 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:13 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:40:16 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:02 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:49 -!- Wehk_ has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 01:49:59 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:59 okay cool 01:51:59 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:59 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:18 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 01:57:03 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:57:56 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:23 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:08:32 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:57 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:10:58 -!- Transfusion has quit [Excess Flood] 02:11:16 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11:59 -!- naalis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:55 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:20:59 -!- doctorfrog has quit [] 02:24:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:28:59 -!- Ashenden_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:32:48 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:21 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:43:56 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-985-g167db0b: Vortices 10(3 minutes ago, 17 files, 25+ 7-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/167db0bb09f9 02:47:06 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:23 Huh. That's a different take on them. I do like the look, though it's so different from the old one that it may take some getting used ot. 02:48:20 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:52 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:40 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:52:24 DracoOmega: yeah, i really disliked the way fire vortices looked in fire storm 02:52:30 so i tried something different 02:52:48 dunno if it's an improvement :D 02:53:10 i feel confident i have the old spatial vortex beat, though 02:53:12 hah 02:53:15 Well, they do look nice. My only concern at the moment is that I'm not sure they look like CREATURES so much as spell effects. But I would probably need to see them in action 02:53:44 yeah, i thought of that 02:54:09 they have a slight outline which might help, but definitely let me know if they're hard to see in-game 02:55:18 Sure 02:57:36 drawing fire is hard xD 02:57:45 I can imagine, yes 02:59:02 vortices are creatures? 02:59:17 vortices are people too :< 02:59:25 Well, creatures from a gameplay perspective 03:00:06 i am proud of myself at having successfully implemented the ability to make them spin 03:00:26 they might be implemented as such for mechanical reasons but i don't think they really are 03:00:27 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:00:35 and i'd be happier if they weren't too :) 03:01:02 Well, I'm not implying they're alive or anything :P 03:01:30 vortex anti-defamation league 03:01:48 "we're more than just fire storm byproducts!" 03:01:54 Really fire in the direction of your totally important confused fire vortex? Please answer ASAP 03:02:09 i'm implying they hinder gameplay more than they help in the current state 03:02:23 does okawaru care if you kill your vortices? 03:03:08 iirc there was some sort of plan to make vortices (and maybe some other things) pseudo-clouds that could share spaces with creatures 03:03:18 Really fire at your ally the fire vortex? 03:03:23 so instead of attacking you they would just ove onto your space and burn you 03:04:50 also, the vagaries of png compression: the only difference between all those different vortex images is rotation 03:04:56 but they all have different sizes 03:07:22 vortices are nonliving, so I would say they are not "creatures" 03:07:27 but they're still monsters (technically speaking) 03:08:14 that's the problem 03:09:04 we've got lots of nonliving monsters, though 03:09:26 or at least it's a problem if the interface makes me wish they weren't, and there's worrying about graphics that don't make them look like a monster 03:09:32 there's only one spell that can actually create vortices (fire storm), and aside from weird messages sometimes, they're actually extremely helpful 03:09:43 i didn't propose removing them. 03:10:05 imo the weirdest is if you are fire storming slime... 03:10:26 The wall burns your fire vortex! x99999 03:10:42 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 03:11:19 do you actually get prompted for firing in the direction of fire vortices? I thought they were treated like orbs of destruction in that 03:11:25 yes you get 03:11:51 ah, I see 03:12:05 I never noticed, because I tend to follow up fire storms with more fire storms :P 03:12:06 the message i pasted above was copied from crawl 03:12:26 i.e. Really fire at your ally the fire vortex? 03:12:44 I think giving them the IOOD treatment might be good (meaning, they ignore projectiles) 03:13:17 then you can't get rid of nonfriendly ones by means of bolts of cold? 03:15:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:15:43 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:02 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:09 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:46 |amethyst: yes, it's the same crash as #6340, which I've been puzzled about for a while now :( I can't reproduce it with any of the affected saves. 03:19:18 [by the way, opera 12.10 does enable websockets by default] 03:35:46 ChrisOelmueller: well, they'd have to be removed from all vaults in that case. no big loss 03:35:58 that way the only ones you'd ever see would be from fire storm 03:36:22 fire storm can also be cast by player ghosts or player illusions 03:36:36 or certain panlords :o 03:38:14 aww, i like the fire vortices in sea_of_fire 03:39:39 they're certainly not the most annoying inhabitant of that vault 03:41:38 well... actually, in support of the "not really creatures" thing, i pretty much consider them scenery 03:41:51 it's pointless killing them and they pose no threat 03:43:16 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:05 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:48:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:07 -!- Tabesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:08:57 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 04:40:04 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:29 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:48:16 -!- ung has quit [Client Quit] 04:53:38 IOODs are "monsters" only because I did not want to add a new class of things everywhere around the display/teleport/etc code 04:59:08 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:04 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-985-g167db0b 05:02:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:14:46 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:17:39 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:37 -!- namad7 has quit [] 05:25:40 -!- jiero has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:26:53 -!- Sab0t has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:30:40 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:58 -!- Sab0t_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:25 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:40:14 -!- bhaak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:46:41 -!- Adeon is now known as Adeon\SIGSEGV 05:48:03 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:51:12 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:52:41 -!- pantaril has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:58:08 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:59:01 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:01:18 -!- takeover has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:02:10 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:03 -!- Rikter|a has quit [Client Quit] 06:05:38 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:28 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:33 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:28:50 !tell elliptic https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=6180 06:28:50 alefury: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 06:34:28 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 06:39:16 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:19 alefury: ah thanks. I forgot to do that (assuming you link to the tournament script thread). 06:42:13 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 06:46:34 i did 06:47:43 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-987-g2039c81: Replace traps in david_orc_4 by a boring groups of orcs. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 16-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/2039c81d8026 06:47:43 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-986-g5fb0bc6: Disable a problematic altar vault. 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/5fb0bc676f42 06:48:33 sniff, boring group of orcs 06:51:57 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:37 sitting there pressing '5' wasn't the most interesting things to do but it at least worked. With deterministic search, the vault was pointless. 06:53:37 this is the only casualty among vaults due to new traps, though -- the two lab endings were too spoily to live 06:53:43 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:41 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:54:42 dpeg: I guess you may have a better idea than just four boring warrior bands 06:55:28 -!- bhaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:29 kilobyte: war troll 06:56:14 (is it possible to give monsters without the itemuse flag a weapon? a troll with a weapon would be a cool vault monster) 06:56:27 currently not 06:56:59 kilobyte: hey, have to go with the times... I like it that you salvaged the orc entry vault instead of scrapping it. 06:57:49 I see no real salvage for labyrinth_trapped and labyrinth_trapped_2 though 06:57:56 no problem 06:57:58 these are stinkers 06:59:26 kilobyte: what about making a new itemuse flag |'d with the previous ones? that sound okay? 06:59:31 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 07:00:06 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:07 'can use, can never drop or pick up' 07:00:10 I was trying to push the envelope of what can be done with vaults... like most vault makers do at some point. These aren't good uses of traps. I did like the mummy + traps ossuary though, although I am not sure that has any future either. 07:00:46 Eronarn: MONUSE_STARTING_EQUIPMENT already does that 07:01:02 oh, duh 07:01:13 would there be any harm in making that the default for trolls, then? 07:01:19 (possibly some other monsters) 07:01:50 orc entries are relatively shallow vaults... see Battle of Wesnoth's desc for troll warriors 07:02:24 a troll is okay by that level; a troll with a weapon isn't terribly harder, but lets you know it's part of the vault + interesting 07:02:58 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-988-gbfaf44b: Let labyrinth_trapped{,_2} connect with their inner midge and bumblebee. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 58-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/bfaf44b88244 07:03:11 doh, orc entries can have a DEPTH: line to further limit their range 07:05:28 * kilobyte weeps for midges. For translating them, I spent some time researching fitting demons, and found one from slavic mythology that matches the english theme well. 07:05:38 (no gameplay reasouns to keep them, of course) 07:13:03 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:03 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:15 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:21:31 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:22:35 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:23:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:13 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 07:27:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30:33 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30:42 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 07:37:48 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 07:39:10 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:23 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:04 kilobyte, damn...switched to deja vu sans mono...which is supposed to have a large unicode charset and I still can't see your permarock/stone/metal/crystal from yesterday. 07:40:34 -!- smeea has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:43:26 dpeg, did you get the collection of Eronarn's glyphs up on the wiki somewhere? where at? 07:44:29 Cryp71c: not yet 07:44:31 wait a moment 07:46:37 after long testing in-game, my idea of having corpses as ە has been proven to suck badly 07:48:13 kilobyte, can't even see that glyph..what font are you using that has - apparently - such phenominal unicode support? 07:48:47 pretty sure dejavu sans has the glyphs in question 07:48:50 mono, that is 07:48:55 maybe there is some other problem with your setup 07:49:16 ە comes from the basic Arabic range, so I guess deja vu should have it 07:49:28 elliott, hrm, maybe.. 07:49:38 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 07:49:55 most terminal emulators are capable of taking missing glyphs from some other font 07:50:17 main exceptions are putty, xterm and rxvt 07:50:35 xterms at least ships with a fairly decent coverage 07:50:45 Is there some other encoding should set to, besides "UTF-8" ? 07:51:13 maybe xchat is the problem here? (though it displays the glyphs fine for me on linux) 07:51:28 ??rc 07:51:28 rc[1/1]: Resist cold (see {resistance}), scroll of {remove curse}, or crawl.rc (see {rcfile}), the configuration file. 07:51:33 ??rcfile 07:51:33 rcfile[1/4]: Accessible via www: CAO: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-{0.7|0.8|0.9|0.10|git|lorcs}/$name.rc CDO: http://crawl.develz.org/configs/{ancient|0.6|0.7|0.8|0.9|0.10|trunk}/$name.rc CSZO: http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-{0.10|0.11|git}/$name.rc 07:51:44 ??rcfile[2] 07:51:45 rcfile[2/4]: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt; 07:51:48 ??rcfile[3] 07:51:48 rcfile[3/4]: As of August 2012, 86.92% of cao trunk players use an unmodified rcfile 07:51:52 ??rcfile[5] 07:51:53 I don't have a page labeled rcfile[5] in my learndb. 07:51:54 ??rcfile[4] 07:51:54 rcfile[4/4]: Examples: http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/MarvinPA.rc / http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/elliptic.rc 07:52:02 Cryp71c: no, all other encodings should die 07:52:21 kilobyte, didn't know if there was one more general than utf-8 that might explain this... 07:52:45 Cryp71c: UTF-8 can do everything any other encoding can do, and unlike some other Unicode codings, it is upward-compatible with ASCII 07:53:01 -!- Snowclone has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:53:44 in fact, UTF-8 is more powerful than Unicode: the latter can't go above 0x10FFFF due to pandering to a broken implementation by Microsoft and Sun 07:53:51 kilobyte, what is the hex # for the corpse char you were talking about earlier? 07:54:19 06D5 07:54:25 it sucks though, forget it 07:54:38 I just wanna fix my encoding so it'll show 07:55:07 oh, and xterm doesn't have it. It does have all the rest, except for wax -- apparently xterm can't go above 16 bits. 07:55:09 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:55:26 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:43 isn't UTF-8 defined to not go above the Unicode limits anyawy 07:55:44 *anyway 07:55:52 even though you can trivially extend its encoding to do so 07:56:32 elliott: it can store values outside the range if you need them for some purposes 07:56:47 like storing invalid inputs so you can round-trip 07:57:19 ەە 07:57:19 Does one of you know how to display the unicode characters on the wiki page? 07:57:21 k"The original specification covered numbers up to 31 bits (the original limit of the Universal Character Set). In November 2003 UTF-8 was restricted by RFC 3629 to end at U+10FFFF, in order to match the constraints of the UTF-16 character encoding. This removed all 5- and 6-byte sequences, and about half of the 4-byte sequences." 07:57:25 ...hrm... 07:57:36 kilobyte: so according to wikipedia, doing that is not valid UTF-8 07:57:46 of course the statement is uncited :) 07:58:06 ە 07:58:09 sorry for char spam.. 07:58:39 deja vu sans has it, but not deja vu sans mono 07:58:46 anyways...wierd. 07:58:55 dpeg: just pasting the character in should work if the wiki doesn't do bad things with the input 07:59:19 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:35 failing that, &#x; ought to work 08:00:24 thanks 08:01:24 elliott: looking around, it seems the 1992 definition has 31 bits (and could easily have 36), but it has been restricted to 0x10FFFF by RFC3629 in 2003. 08:02:00 ꙮ ''feature = wax wall {xA66E}'' 08:02:04 does not work 08:02:54 s/36/41/ bits, 0xFF bytes are unused as well 08:03:26 dpeg: need the ; 08:03:28 dpeg: wax has been axed, around the time when axe traps got waxed 08:04:50 This is not html -- I am editing a (doku)wiki page. 08:06:11 * kilobyte only now notices what you said on 14:57, so disregard the line from 15:01 :p 08:07:28 maybe I would be better off with html 08:09:18 doesn't it just accept literals? 08:09:18 ok, so html works well, wiki does not 08:09:54 kilobyte: I'd think there should be a way to tell wiki "print the unicode character number x..." but I can't find it. 08:10:11 dpeg: yeah, but what about just writing it? 08:10:30 like you write instead of öaut; 08:11:25 Then you have to tell me how to write an arbitrary unicode glyhp :) 08:11:35 * dpeg has no idea. Tsk tsk tsk. 08:11:39 can just copy it from IRC and paste it in, ideally 08:11:59 searching on http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/index.htm and copying from there works if you know the character's name, also 08:12:38 alright 08:12:57 dpeg: try ctrl-shift-u 4 6 6 e enter 08:13:10 䙮 08:13:12 :) 08:13:44 Crawl should reject that character, as wcwidth(0x466E) == 2 08:13:53 ꙮ 08:14:29 ϯ 08:14:33 doh, A not 4 08:14:52 Ⱒ 08:15:16 ϴ 08:16:20 ☺ 08:16:30 wow, does 0.12 already have deterministic search? 08:16:46 theres so much stuff in 0.12 that im already starting to forget about it :/ 08:16:52 08:18:19 08:18:19 alefury: yes 08:18:28 Eronarn: ^ that is your tree? 08:18:36 0.12, best release 08:20:38 䙮 08:22:27 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:43 any ideas for a release date already? 08:24:24 מ 08:25:34 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:interface:unicode_examples 08:25:38 just a start 08:26:02 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:26:44 -!- zell65 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 08:27:02 Cryp71c: ^ 08:27:02 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:27:14 dpeg, thanks! 08:30:02 Cryp71c: add your own -- I'd love to see more! (Will copy some stuff of kilobyte's rc there, unless I get beat to it.) 08:30:21 dpeg: some of it sucks, a lot is commented out 08:31:01 kilobyte: but your trees! 08:31:36 i updated the development planning page on the wiki, could some dev check whether it is somewhat accurate? 08:31:48 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:31:49 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:planning 08:32:19 -!- Mu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:32:24 good parts are separating shallow water ≈ from deep water/lava ≋, Pan lords being ☿, and Ashenzari sensed monsters ① ② ③ ④ 08:33:07 kilobyte, zomg, must have... 08:33:17 kilobyte: alright, will copy, but not today 08:33:32 rock walls being distinct from stone is nice, but not so vital anymore now that I eradicated lightgrey and cyan rock 08:33:46 the more of us use unicode, the more players will follow ====> eventually, widespread demand for diacrits 08:33:51 kilobyte, if you can give me those codes, I'll add them to the wiki...the same for your varying wall types? 08:34:09 there is a command to show the link to a player's rc file 08:34:16 of course I couldn't find that command 08:34:17 you can just take a look at a chart 08:34:19 !rc kilobyte 08:34:19 Can't find rc for kilobyte. 08:34:19 Can't find rc for kilobyte. 08:34:33 !rcfile kilobyte 08:35:24 alefury: looks good to me. I hope I can convince someone to do god wrath for 0.12. It should be easy enoug (the design, that is) by now. 08:35:25 i think it's !rc but it might only work for some subset of bots/servers 08:35:37 MarvinPA: ah, so I am not fully demented yet. 08:35:38 kilobyte, I didn't think searching through the unicode charts trying to find a handful of chars was a wise use of even my time 08:35:38 @rc marvinpa 08:35:59 and i have no idea which ones it works on :P 08:36:50 only !rc works 08:36:56 Cryp71c: http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/KiloByte.rc 08:36:59 no numbers though 08:37:25 there should be a "glyph --> number" webpage 08:37:32 http://angband.pl/tmp/uni.tar.gz -- a tool to display an Unicode chart, with stress on tickling as many bugs in terminals as I know 08:37:55 (the tool is quite outdated, there are new shiny bugs, but hey) 08:38:12 you especially want to know which glyphs will spill over on your terminal 08:39:00 dpeg: yes, i use pilcrows for trees 08:39:03 that ꙮ was dpeg mentioned above is useless on my setup, as it has huge spillage 08:39:32 ideally we would differentiate between tree varieties 08:39:42 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:43 maybe that can be a main .13 goal 08:40:05 how many tree types are there exactly 08:40:16 i can only think of two 08:40:20 oh you mean make new ones 08:40:31 two, and I already think the distinction is bad 08:40:37 elliott: look at how many dwarf fortress has 08:40:58 having two enums to avoid having to encode water or floor is fine, different opacity is not 08:41:21 kilobyte: i think it would be nice to have tree_coniferous and tree_deciduous that perform exactly the same but can be glyphed differently 08:41:25 you can't burn mangroves either, right 08:41:26 so we can make different forests use different glyphs 08:41:47 elliott: how come? They burn just fine... 08:42:12 hm, can you? 08:42:13 i've never tried 08:42:28 spawn a vapour in Swamp, you'll get the whole level all full of steam immediately 08:42:44 @??vapour 08:42:44 vapour (11v) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 29-54 | AC/EV: 0/12 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 902 | Sp: b.lightning (3d18) | Sz: little | Int: plant. 08:42:55 and since there's no rF+ on them... 08:42:55 elliott: we devs burn something every morning when we get up. It could be a bible, the Nethack guide, a mangrove, whatever! 08:43:38 <|amethyst> everybody knows what the devs are burning 08:43:52 <|amethyst> some people call it "trees", true 08:44:00 dpeg: or a species 08:44:04 such a waste! I failed to use proper wording in 9cf917a1 :( 08:44:36 |amethyst: two states legalized! 08:47:35 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52:14 oh, a thing i think we should do: make zerkitis depend on tension 08:52:58 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman|meeting 08:53:28 elliott: species is always good, sure 08:54:03 Cryp71c: are you adding kilobyte's glyphs? (Just wanna know if I can close his rc file or not :) 08:55:53 -!- bhaak_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:56:10 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:57:00 dpeg: it's a mess 08:57:26 Eronarn: +1, it sucks to zerk as you kill a lone opponent 08:57:40 or a toadstool 08:57:43 well berserkitis was just made to activate much more rarely 08:57:50 er, on weapons 08:57:51 dpeg, yes 08:57:55 the mutation is unchanged 08:58:48 Eronarn, isn't that why the mutation is generally bad, huge starvation risks because of over-zerking? 08:59:00 Cryp71c: yes, and i think that that is bad 08:59:05 we already have fast hunger as a mut 08:59:18 uncontrolled slowness too 08:59:20 the mut would be more interesting if the drawback were that in longer, tense combat situations you went berserk 08:59:50 the mut got toned down quite a while ago, it triggers way less often than it used to 09:00:36 so i doubt huge starvation risks are an issue at least 09:01:09 I'm pretty sure people don't starve because of it that much, yes 09:03:27 that is good 09:03:30 (i have not played crawl in years) 09:03:35 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:06:10 !lg Eronarn 09:06:10 6368. Eronarn the Digger (L5 DDEE), worshipper of Ashenzari, slain by an orc (a +1,+2 orcish mace) on D:4 on 2012-11-06 22:26:20, with 286 points after 2404 turns and 0:11:38. 09:06:38 years ~ 1 day 09:08:21 ~2k games in 2007, ~2k in 2008, 158 in 2012, so kind of yeah 09:08:22 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:05 kilobyte: haven't had the time 09:10:18 but hey, job is almost over 09:10:36 kilobyte, I copied your whole rc file just to see what its like with your whole feature/runeset and all that...but there is some wierdness, do you play with a normal termsize? 09:11:21 "normal" 09:11:30 s/normal/80x24 09:11:46 kilobyte calls that tinyterm 09:11:51 that should be enough of a hint :P 09:15:06 alefury: I use a font with giant huge letters for playing, people with even smaller termsize are either nearly blind or use a tiny part of their screens 09:16:42 i play tiles... 09:16:43 * alefury hides 09:16:46 I use 80x24, and then it can hide aaround work screens, or I can make it bigger for when I am sleepy and using a laptop and not doing anything else 09:17:00 I also use 80x24 because it fits on all my phones 09:17:40 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:19:03 ah, I know the problem...on lines with these characters (the missile char) the whole line is reversed. 09:19:19 !dump 09:19:20 Dump for harkenn does not exist. 09:19:20 Cryp71c doesn't even exist! 09:19:28 !dump harkenn 09:19:28 Dump for harkenn does not exist. 09:19:28 harkenn doesn't even exist! 09:19:32 -!- Adder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19:32 -_- 09:19:40 %dump harkenn 09:19:40 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Harkenn/Harkenn.txt 09:20:36 -!- dpeg is now known as dpegone 09:21:21 -!- Snowclone has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:53 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 09:26:08 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:49 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 09:27:32 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:16 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:16 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:50 This is crazy, the line with kilo's "ranged ammo" char: ➹ is mirrored completely 09:44:01 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:40 http://i.imgur.com/JX0y6.png 09:47:10 sounds like some kind of RTL override or something 09:50:25 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:26 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:50:53 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:51:14 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:53:30 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:24 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:55 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:20 -!- dosman|meeting is now known as dosman711 09:56:24 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:37 hrm, its the corpse glyph, I think. 09:57:33 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:00:58 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:08 <|amethyst> that's one of the things that could happen when you use an Arabic character 10:03:10 ah, its the char at the end of this: 10:03:10 item_glyph += corpse : lightgrey ە 10:03:24 <|amethyst> since Arabic is RTL 10:03:37 |amethyst, yeah, anyway to prevent / fix it? or is it a problem of the ssh client? 10:03:50 it's an unproblem, I think 10:03:54 in that the behaviour is technically sort of correct 10:03:58 right 10:05:14 <|amethyst> it's a "problem" of the terminal emulator (so putty here)... there are some Unicode control characters you can use to control bidi, but who knows what terminals support them 10:05:22 you might be able to get around it by using a char that resets it 10:05:26 yeah 10:05:38 you'd need combining char support though 10:05:43 so someone go program that :) 10:06:49 fwiw i have no idea why we're resorting to arabic at all 10:06:56 eh, kilobyte said he didn't like it anyways 10:07:31 <|amethyst> U+202D LEFT_TO_RIGHT OVERRIDE U+202C POP DIRECTIONAL FORMATTING 10:07:44 U+00BF - potion 10:07:52 <|amethyst> could just surround each map draw with that pair 10:08:57 U+0298 10:08:57 ʘ 10:09:01 orb 10:10:51 ͡ ͜ for halo when combined properly 10:11:11 035C, 0361 10:11:34 U+0398Θ - eye 10:11:54 U+03A9Ω - shop/portal 10:12:12 U+039EΞ - fountain 10:13:01 U+03C0π - altar 10:13:12 U+03C8ψ - cactus :3 10:13:33 U+03BEξ - vortex? 10:13:46 <|amethyst> snake 10:14:10 Eronarn, we need to add the menorah item: ψ 10:14:21 U+03DFϟ - spell path glyph, instead of * 10:14:27 for firing animations 10:14:52 |amethyst, I like that as the snake, are there any non-snake 'S' monsters? 10:15:04 serpents 10:15:12 eh, they're snakey, still. 10:15:25 U+03F4ϴ - eye (probably better in more fonts) 10:15:33 hrm, I don't have that one 10:16:07 <|amethyst> U+2603☃ - ice beast (but doesn't work for sky beast :( ) 10:16:39 you should make a unique ice devil with that glyph 10:16:46 U+05D0א - angels 10:17:04 <|amethyst> U+2620☠ - corpses 10:17:19 too detailed 10:17:59 OFD4 ࿔ - disturbance? this looks amazing in my font 10:18:07 or clouds :O 10:18:31 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:56 I don't have it in mine 10:19:03 it's thai 10:19:10 <|amethyst> U+2649♉ - minotaur 10:19:13 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:37 oh wait 10:19:38 tibetan 10:21:40 ⁂ - guaranteed spell hit. ⁑ - likely spell hit. * - unlikely spell hit 10:21:51 <|amethyst> U+046CѬ - octopode with a polearm 10:22:18 <|amethyst> U+46EѮ - Naga with Antennae mutation 10:22:30 ⁏ inverted eel 10:23:01 <|amethyst> U+A648Ꙉ - big pants 10:23:33 -!- Miron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:19 fr: all of these 10:24:33 <|amethyst> and my terminal doesn't support it, but the 13000-1342E range (Egyptian hieroglyphs) has lots of animals 10:24:46 U+25A6▦ - portcullis 10:25:08 <|amethyst> Including what looks like "hawk carrying surfboard) at U+13157 (EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH G020A) 10:25:17 |amethyst: i think we should be relatively conservative with the glyphs 10:25:18 <|amethyst> s/\)/"/ 10:25:31 <|amethyst> the default ones, yes :) 10:25:57 <|amethyst> but a Unicode tile pack would be amusing at least 10:26:02 <|amethyst> s/tile pack/"&"/ 10:26:27 flowers! U+273F✿ U+2740❀ U+273E✾ 10:26:44 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:27:04 <|amethyst> Indicate silence in the status line with U+1F64A SPEAK-NO-EVIL MONKEY 10:27:07 U+2767❧ - add turnips to crawl 10:27:27 U+2764❤ - replace health bar with hearts 10:27:48 <|amethyst> and someone needs to assign U+1F644 as FACEPALM 10:27:59 actually i guess we can have the healthbar use the filled eigths 10:29:15 wow 10:29:19 nevermind, they don't even line up in my font 10:29:21 what is even the point 10:29:24 Eronarn: the eighths characters are not as good as you think 10:29:28 Eronarn: because you can't really do a background 10:29:38 i have tried to do bars with them before 10:29:59 U+2742❂ - silver star 10:30:46 <|amethyst> hm, gnome-terminal doesn't seem to support high-plane characters :( 10:31:06 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:31:53 <|amethyst> U+214B⅋ - Mnoleg 10:34:00 haha, nice 10:35:02 now i want to use ⅋ for demon lords... 10:35:29 |amethyst: it does, as long as you have a font that has the glyph in question installed 10:35:39 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:59 <|amethyst> U+1D11E MUSICAL SYMBOL G CLEF - could differentiate fixed from random pan lords 10:36:01 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:02 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hrm 10:36:25 |amethyst: "screen" is limited to 16 bits, though 10:36:31 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, that's it 10:36:44 you can make screen support more than that though right? 10:36:51 I hate tmux, but I use it for IRC (and nothing else) solely for this reason 10:38:04 Eronarn: no, it has a weird hack of using 8 bits for the character and another 8 for "font selection". When in Unicode mode, it will combine these two, supporting up to U+FFFF 10:38:12 ah 10:38:15 maybe i need to look into that then 10:39:18 afaik screen isn't really developed anymore 10:39:28 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm, and what happens if you try to use surrogates? 10:40:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I guess it thinks each half is a separate character 10:40:11 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:40:19 jilles: it is, there was just a big compat break that required Debian guys to handle it somehow 10:40:45 "just" and debian can mean anything 10:40:47 hmm, i should probably go actually work on my RL, huh 10:40:48 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman|food 10:41:05 i'm starting with 80x24 ascii but i want to support arbitrary hugeterm unicode 10:41:11 |amethyst: can't test right now, lemme reattach the computer back; I bet it has only one character per cell 10:41:11 <|amethyst> (because, you know, encoding 32-bit unicode into UTF-16 and then encoding that into UTF-8 is wonderful) 10:41:39 <|amethyst> Eronarn: do something sane with fullwidth chars please 10:41:57 |amethyst: well, it's hexes, so i can actually display them 10:42:00 <|amethyst> :) 10:42:00 they would just eat the adjacent space 10:42:25 unfortunately python's unicode is... a thing 10:42:45 <|amethyst> python 2 or 3? 10:44:12 |amethyst: i am on 2 right now, i hear 3 is better 10:44:13 <|amethyst> ISTR python 2 still has 16-bit unicode or something like that? 10:44:34 you have to import unicode to even support putting unicode glyphs in files or something 10:44:55 what 10:44:57 <|amethyst> I believe unicode is the default for strings in python 3 10:45:41 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 10:46:00 Eronarn: you have to set the file encoding if you want to write non-ascii characters in the file, but you can always use escapes to write them in strings 10:46:06 upgrade to Perl! 10:48:58 edlothiol: even then you still have to do u'whatever' or something weird like that 10:49:10 (i don't want to escape everything) 10:51:28 yes, "" is a byte string and u"" is a unicode string (that's the main thing python 3 improves) 10:51:44 yeah, i am just waiting until i switch to python 3 to add unicode support 10:52:45 I don't think it really changes that much, you have to think about what kind of strings you're handling either way 10:53:29 unless you really just don't want to write u"" 10:53:33 yes, that 10:53:36 it is very ugly 10:53:53 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:20 so... why don't you switch to 3? 11:05:14 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:24 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:07:37 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:07 -!- codrus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:12 -!- dosman|food is now known as dosman711 11:12:36 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:26 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:17:20 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:49 It wouldn't let me add an unlisted spell in Wiki Home Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup Features : Feedback & Proposal Magic & Spells Spells So, I edited the only thing it would let me (the whole page) and put it in. 11:18:55 If there's a better way, let me know 11:26:11 edlothiol: because i don't feel like learning more about what has changed until i have a free weekend 11:26:26 i haven't been able to work on my game for months because my job is insane 11:27:57 Eronarn: and you'd better not dare to touch it before lava orcs are ready! :p 11:28:08 * kilobyte cracks the whip. 11:28:15 kilobyte: probably some time this week! i'd be working on them right now but i forgot to push the branch to my github 11:28:18 again 11:28:23 very slow day at the office, as you might expect 11:28:43 wakeonlan? 11:29:21 my home one is on, but i don't have it set up to allow SSH access 11:42:29 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:45:59 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 11:53:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:03 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:50 -!- humanwaffle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:02:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:50 Is there anywhere I can find an index of the available cset_unicode items? 12:07:08 Cryp71c: do you mean, the values, or key names? 12:07:18 the names, like "arch" 12:07:31 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: dchar_by_name in viewchar.cc 12:08:18 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:37 ../docs/options_guide.txt lists them, although RTFSing is easier to find 12:10:00 <|amethyst> fired_chunk ? 12:10:19 <|amethyst> oh, from inner flame explosions etc 12:12:17 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:12:28 -!- flowsnake_ is now known as flowsnake 12:13:35 it's used if you "awkwardly throw" a chunk 12:14:04 <|amethyst> oh, I see, there's one for everything 12:14:08 not just chunk, any food item 12:15:01 should be named thrown_food instead, I guess, for consistency with item_food 12:15:44 c 12:16:45 d 12:17:52 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-989-gd272198: Mention cset = grate : in options_guide.txt 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/d272198898a9 12:27:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:27:53 -!- Tijol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:28:27 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:23 it seems strange Evolution will hardly ever remove a bad mutation 12:30:48 What's the difference between "feature" and "cset_unicode" ? as near as I can tell, the "feature" seems to take presedence when drawing on the map 12:30:52 what about giving it a chance to remove mutations sometimes, instead of the rare chance for mutate() to do so? 12:31:28 Cryp71c: cset is much older, and works by a class of items instead 12:31:30 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:14 Poopn (L27 DsEE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_index(mg.foe) || mg.foe == MHITYOU || mg.foe == MHITNOT) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1680 failed. (Slime:6) 12:36:35 kilobyte, gotcha...giving some new glyphs a try 12:36:54 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38:36 you also don't need to write cset_unicode but just cset 12:39:35 there's a minor difference between the two: the former works only if you also specify char_set=unicode, the latter always works 12:39:43 kilobyte, ah ok, so your rcfile that has cset_unicode += fountain doesn't do anything, correct? (since you have a feature entry for fountain) 12:40:18 (and cset_ibm, cset_dec understand numeric values differently, still allowing string literals outside of their ranges) 12:40:35 oh, right 12:40:49 my rc is an old piece of amassed junk, sorry :( 12:42:06 np, thanks for letting me know, seems like the options file is a bit out of date, referencing viewchar.cc and feature.cc is handy 12:42:21 options documentation file* 12:44:55 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:18 -!- Ilirion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:48:52 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:54:40 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:14 -!- naalis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:59:35 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:12 -!- naaaalis has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 13:06:09 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:09:26 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:12:49 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:13:01 -!- flowsnake_ is now known as flowsnake 13:18:27 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:18:47 Ilirion (L8 DrTm) ASSERT(you.wizard && !you.did_escape_death()) in 'xom.cc' at line 3755 failed. (Sewer) 13:19:04 !lm Ilirion type=crash 13:19:06 1. [2012-11-07 19:18:45] Ilirion the Insei (L8 DrTm) ASSERT(you.wizard && !you.did escape death()) in 'xom.cc' at line 3755 failed on turn 5026. (Sewer) 13:19:10 !lm Ilirion type=crash -log 13:19:10 1. Ilirion, XL8 DrTm, T:5026 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.11/Ilirion/crash-Ilirion-20121107-191845.txt 13:19:49 spider over water 13:19:53 -!- shmup has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:22:39 kilobyte, your green-circle thing for the edges of unexplored area....awesome. 13:27:35 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:28:56 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:38:42 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:44:19 -!- oph_school has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:45:05 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48:42 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49:00 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:48 -!- antrees has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:08 -!- Frisco has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:45 -!- ElMuncho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:03:03 -!- Bomanz_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:04:10 -!- johnthebear has quit [Client Quit] 14:12:25 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:20:47 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:23:29 -!- shirish has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:15 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:36:04 soupfly (L10 TrBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:9) 14:36:58 !lm soupfly type=crash -log 14:36:59 1. soupfly, XL10 TrBe, T:7828 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/soupfly/crash-soupfly-20121107-203604.txt 14:43:04 -!- mineral has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:33 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:47:56 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6368 - blacksheep suggests just removing the targetting mode cycle and i'd probably agree, does it have any real use? 14:48:48 -!- Bomanz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:48:53 maybe raskol uses it, since they are reporting a bug about it :P 14:49:02 he says it was an accident 14:49:06 oh 14:49:11 I didn't know this thing existed 14:49:12 "In case someone looking into this has no idea what firing mode is (I didn't until I accidentally clicked in the wrong window)" 14:49:13 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:49:17 i'm pretty sure this should be killed with fire 14:49:21 probably more people use insulation spell than targetting mode cycle 14:49:27 or play stalkers 14:49:38 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:03 -!- talkingcatjazzca has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:03 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:13 i do remember that i stumbled upon it and was seriously baffled 14:50:28 -!- BoredOne has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:34 for both how useless and how well-hidden it was, in particular 14:51:03 kilobyte: I sort of guessed 24f731f88627020b36748b59dd9a4da7118f5f25 was the cause of that multiple Vaults rune bug when I first saw it... maybe the check of whether to remove or mimicise the extra runes depends on the record of placed vaults and that commit changed the behaviour when building the level? 14:51:12 I don't really know the vault-placing code, it just seemed suspicious 14:54:03 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:45 _There is an open fleshy orifice here. 15:03:45 _You squeeze the fleshy orifice shut. 15:03:45 _Cigotuvi's Monster opens the door. 15:03:53 so it's a door after all 15:04:35 I guess it'd be better to just have a separate feature, the renames there are flaky. 15:06:00 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: out b4 wlan weg] 15:07:36 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11:50 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 15:22:47 -!- apocalypsebot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:53 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30:55 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-992-g790c8b9: & ^K to clear the "used" flag from all vaults. 10(2 hours ago, 4 files, 12+ 0-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/790c8b93daf2 15:30:55 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-991-g11b3bf3: Fix a Xom crash with spiders over water. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/11b3bf349586 15:30:55 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-990-g38c8966: Give Evolution a chance to remove bad mutations (or, rarely, good ones). 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/38c89662efe9 15:31:34 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:34:17 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:36:35 Cherry-picked 3 commits into stone_soup-0.11 15:37:04 okay, lorc time 15:37:07 work sent me home early 15:38:00 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11.0-30-g662aa8f (33) 15:40:04 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:40:08 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42:39 -!- Snowclone has left ##crawl-dev 15:43:48 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:47 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 15:47:49 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 15:50:11 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:54:27 -!- tsn has 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|amethyst: why are these backwards 18:40:42 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:13 clearly breaking %?? broke chei 18:42:35 -!- eb has quit [] 18:43:52 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:08 has chei finally slowed to the degree of becoming a tachyon 18:49:28 -!- wasd` has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 18:49:56 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:16 -!- Satans_mechanic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:03 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:02:12 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 19:08:59 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:10:12 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:13:32 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 19:14:09 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:19:47 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:47 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 19:19:47 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is back, in time for tournament play! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 19:20:48 <|amethyst> elliott: because it iterated in git rev-list order 19:20:53 <|amethyst> I just added a reverse 19:21:05 ah 19:21:12 spider (10s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 1004(medium poison) | web sense | Res: 06magic(8) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 43 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 19:21:12 %??spider 19:21:16 how often does monster update 19:21:18 because I broke it 19:21:26 <|amethyst> only manually 19:21:29 <|amethyst> what's broken? 19:21:47 |amethyst: levitation no longer exists (nor does flight_mode) 19:21:53 <|amethyst> ah 19:22:04 there's just .flies now (rather than .fly) 19:26:37 am I the only one who gets that weird "this git object is too big to be displayed" when clicking gitorious links from chi 19:26:38 chei? 19:26:51 it's not common, but its kind of baffling 19:26:59 <|amethyst> evilmike: I get that sometimes too 19:26:59 git.develz.org_reasons 19:27:07 |amethyst: maybe it should link to the mirror on cdo? 19:27:37 <|amethyst> to the commitdiff? 19:27:44 yeah 19:28:06 that one seems faster than gitorious, and doesn't fail for inexplicable reasons 19:28:44 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 19:28:44 :p 19:28:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is back, in time for tournament play! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 19:28:44 <|amethyst> %git 19:28:44 03MarvinPA * 0.12-a0-999-gfe4d827: Fix some Tengu-only permaflight checks 10(81 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe4d827dc690 19:28:45 it chokes on even not very big commits a lot 19:28:49 <|amethyst> %git HEAD 19:28:49 03MarvinPA * 0.12-a0-999-gfe4d827: Fix some Tengu-only permaflight checks 10(81 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe4d827dc690 19:29:03 evilmike: you can use the github mirror as well :P 19:29:57 <|amethyst> of course links could be broken on announcement, depending on whether gdo or Chei updates first 19:33:20 giant eyeball (16G) | Spd: 3 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 0/1 | fly | Res: 06magic(12), asphyx | XP: 3 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 19:33:20 <|amethyst> %??giant eyeball 19:33:31 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12-a0-999-gfe4d827 19:33:31 <|amethyst> %??-version 19:34:05 huray 19:35:05 <|amethyst> kilobyte: monster-trunk update at the usual place 19:51:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 19:56:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 19:59:07 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:06:04 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:18:36 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:19:51 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:33 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:22:33 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:23:18 -!- popbob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:23 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:23:29 -!- eliotn_ is now known as eliotn 20:23:48 -!- Bomanz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:23:48 -!- Tabesh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:24:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:25:10 -!- lavos has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 20:28:52 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:39:50 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1000-g3ec0ee6: Remove the increased carrying capacity from flight. 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ec0ee62f6a1 20:39:50 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-1001-gd2f4c47: Don't require tengu to be lightly burdened to get their movement speed bonus. 10(8 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 33-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2f4c47136bb 20:42:15 okay, there, finally 20:42:29 this is going to be a stupid huge thing but whatever it makes more things less dumb 20:44:58 Self-patch for my vaults. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6369) by Claws 20:45:16 good luck with that 20:45:19 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:46:16 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:49:15 people will complain about that flight change, but its a really good one 20:50:27 i had to convince elliptic of it too :P 20:50:29 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 20:51:27 I would say 'what's there to complain about?', but that hasn't stopped people before.... 20:51:49 i've seen people cast flight for the carrying bonus 20:52:07 Oh, wait. I evidently missed that 20:52:11 and i've done it myself before. it's tedious 20:52:13 I thought you were just referring to replacing lev with flight 20:53:14 Yes, I have used flight for carrying capacity before, in short-term situations. I may sort of miss it, but I can also sort of see why it's better not to be that way 20:53:26 I've done it a lot, but mainly just for carrying lots of consumables down to zot:5 20:53:32 Yeah, stuff like that 20:53:38 I might need to take two trips now, but that's okay 20:53:43 imo the main thing is, we shouldn't encourage you to cast spells like that out of combat (especially when you're repeatedly casting that) 20:53:50 yeah 20:53:56 Yeah, that's sensible 20:54:02 And I'm quite happy about the tengu thing 20:54:05 there are some other offenders in crawl, but they are more "in theory" ones. the flight case actually happened somewhat often 20:54:46 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:55:20 -!- ChongLi has quit [Client Quit] 20:55:41 maybe for those zot stash trips, you could equip a bunch of str items... I've never done this, but it's probably good enough 20:55:57 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 20:56:27 evilmike: btw, I was wondering what you thought about the current state of vaults branch? I've had it a couple times now (I was on hiatus when it was put in originally) and my feeling is that it really needs a lot of work to be acceptable for 0.12 20:57:00 yeah I agree it still needs work 20:57:38 hasn't really been changed much since it went in, but I think it's fairly clear what needs work 20:58:33 i personally think oldvaults was less annoying in general, just because of the 1000 gimmick vaults 20:58:38 can be fixed, of course 20:58:44 I think the potential is there though. Right now I think it should be tweaked to favour "chaotic" layouts more (rather than the more grid-like ones), and have more of the rooms be "boring" 20:58:59 by boring I mean, either empty, or just "here are some monsters and maybe some pillars" type of subvaults 21:01:19 IMO all the subvaults that have fixed monsters in them or that are gimmicky in some way should go 21:01:34 why not just make them especially rare? 21:02:13 -!- SlyShy1 has quit [Client Quit] 21:02:23 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:02:27 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:02:57 well, that's a possibility too, but the rarity needs to be extremely low I think 21:03:38 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:48 -!- eliotn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03:57 I was thinking WEIGHT: 1 (default is 10) 21:04:33 -!- SlyShy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:04:37 I do think that the vast majority should be "boring" though (I don't really mean boring, just can't think of a better word) 21:05:49 by "fixed" monsters you mean stuff which specifically places elves or whatever, right? Because I think it's good for vaults rooms to place a few random monsters with '0' 21:06:23 yes, I mean specific monsters... placing in specific locations with 0 is fine 21:08:18 my other main reaction to newvaults is that the stairs shouldn't be placed in such fixed locations 21:09:16 hmm. I guess once you've gotten used to it, you can peek into rooms and know whether or not that subvault can contain stairs? 21:09:18 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:09:34 partly that, and also that it makes entering a level less interesting 21:11:22 some of the tensest moments in crawl are right when you enter a level 21:12:25 but in newvaults it felt like there wasn't much chance for level entrances to be randomly scary 21:12:41 hmm, you're right about that 21:13:05 level entrances are MUCH less likely to be scary, by the simple fact that they are in rooms now, rather than in the open 21:13:47 which is unlike V:5 21:14:28 yeah... I'd say that the rooms with stairs in them should be designed to be more dangerous than normal (they seemed less so if anything), but also placing some stairs randomly outside the rooms seems reasonable to me 21:14:29 maybe the subvaults should only contain down-stairs, with the upstairs being placed in the "between" areas 21:14:59 this change is more difficult than the other changes talked about though, so I'll try to make infiniplex do it :P 21:15:25 can stairs be just placed tptally randomly? 21:15:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:15:28 totally 21:15:40 a related issue is that the stairs seem too likely to be clustered as-is 21:15:59 elliott: yes, although I'd be a little worried about connectivity... 21:16:18 i thought there were separate checks for that 21:16:35 elliptic: the stair clustering issue should be easy to change... just decrease the chance of subvaults with multiple stairs 21:24:24 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:34 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:32:28 re: flight and constantly recasting spells out of combat being bad... this is something that bothers me about Necromutation. just as a wild idea, what if necromutation never expired except by choice, but it took more aut to cast (and left you helpless for the duration)? that doesn't seem overly powerful or anything, given the form has drawbacks... this means that you can't swap in and out of it freely, i.e. if you exit it in an emergency to qua 21:32:28 ff a potion or such you have to deal without it for a while unless you can handle the time it takes to cast 21:33:23 it'd still be a spell often cast out of combat, but it seems it'd be a lot less tedious with the recasting... (seems like it could also help with the high-level-spells-should-be-flashy thing to a minor degree too -- some kind of colour flash for the casting duration?) 21:33:27 in theory people can cast necromutation to avoid food costs when traveling... I don't think anyone does this though 21:33:38 at least not NEARLY to the degree which flight was used for that 21:33:38 i've done it 21:33:48 only in hell, though 21:33:55 evilmike: I've seen it happen while panscumming I think 21:34:06 honestly, I'd argue that swapping rings of sustenance when traveling is a _much_ bigger problem than people casting necromutation 21:34:25 (even then it's a pretty small problem) 21:34:25 but even ignoring food issues while travelling, I'm thinking of things like doing branches (like hells as an example) entirely in necromutation to avoid torment and so on 21:35:25 well, I like your idea better than those "permanent necromutation" proposals (which I think are absurd), fwiw 21:35:44 yeah I don't like necromutation being irreversible... "turn into a mummy forever" is dumb 21:35:50 -!- Kellhus_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:36:02 my problem is that the idea boils down to "let's have a high level tmut/necro spell that makes both of those skills almost useless!" 21:36:08 it seems the form is just generally more suited to fairly long casting times rather than being swapped in and out of a lot like most other transmutations, so it seems like a different casting model might be appropriate 21:36:31 evilmike: hey, mummies get necro boosts, it must be good! 21:38:42 tome has 'turn into a lich forever'. but that works because it is a story-based, overworld sort of game 21:38:55 spells with effects that permanent just don't work in crawl 21:39:27 anyway I could put this on the devwiki or whatever if anyone thinks it is a good idea 21:39:38 elliott: what if lichform required you to cut your flesh off of your bones 21:39:42 (would be happy to write a patch for it too, though no point doing that until it's discussed) 21:39:49 butchering style casting time 21:39:52 makes chunks of yourself 21:40:07 I sometimes use necromutation in combat (for rTorm), but I'm not totally opposed to your proposal 21:40:08 Eronarn: that is the best terrible idea i've heard all minute 21:40:26 the main reason I get necromutation is because on a high level caster, it makes Tomb less annoying 21:40:42 my tomb strategy on those tends to be either find necromutation, or spam SHT. I don't like spamming summons 21:40:48 elliott: i think it would actually work really well: if the spell got interrupted you would take a bunch of damage 21:40:52 since you had begun cutting into yourself 21:40:53 evilmike: right, it'd still be *possible* to use it in combat but you'd have to deal with the casting delay (I don't think it should be too long -- 20, 30 aut? -- just long enough that swapping right back in after exiting it to quaff a potion in a dangerous situation is a bad idea) 21:41:05 Eronarn: mm 21:41:05 elliott: even 1.5 would be significant probably 21:41:10 evilmike: yeah 21:41:11 thats how long it takes to cancel 21:41:36 which doesn't seem that bad a deal, 15 aut risk of torment for immunity to it until you deal with said tormentors 21:41:48 (as far as casting it in combat goes) 21:47:11 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:47:32 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:47:57 -!- ChongLi has quit [Client Quit] 21:50:04 -!- ChongLi has quit [Client Quit] 22:05:31 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 22:05:49 -!- elliott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:42 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1001-gd2f4c47 22:08:37 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:11:02 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:11:32 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:43 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:28:22 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:43 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:29 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:05 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 22:38:16 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:27 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:53:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:37 -!- MarvinPA__ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:56:08 -!- MarvinPA__ is now known as MarvinPA 22:58:38 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:58:45 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:06:21 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:15:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:28:36 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:29:53 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:56 -!- codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:39:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:45:19 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.]