00:00:51 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-973-gaf49a04 (34) 00:02:06 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:54 -!- Rewans has quit [] 00:08:43 -!- hagb4rd|outoford has quit [Quit: hagb4rd|outoford] 00:15:12 -!- RWJMurphy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:28:00 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:28:36 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:36 -!- Mottie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:41 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:52 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:00 -!- buki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:32 -!- Grildrak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:33 -!- StekarDraken is now known as Grildrak 00:43:51 elliptic: http://shalott.org/graphs/11f571b64ecd7f315b430cf0191a846c801758c5.html 00:44:49 any thoughts on these? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1000017/crawl/oof3.png 00:45:08 i hesitate to mess with OoFs unilaterally 00:46:26 those coloured tiles are for when it casts its spells? 00:46:26 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:46:26 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:47:45 i think thats a cool idea if so. my only criticisim is that the flame looks like its coming from the bottom-left, which seems a little strange (unless zot has a constant westerly wind that i never knew about) 00:48:03 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:35 oh, i suppose they could be used for that, but 00:48:53 they were intended for the orb of cold and orb of thunder in... some sprint or other 00:48:56 arena sprint maybe? 00:49:15 ah yeah the sprint map I made has some rare redefined orbs of fire, if you reach extremely late stages of it 00:49:41 and yeah, i guess the world has a constant dramatic wind >.> 00:49:50 the reason I thought of casting animations, is I'm pretty sure one of the messages refers to the orbs glowing magenta, or something like that 00:49:56 yeah 00:49:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 00:50:05 they glow random colors which is kinda neat 00:52:40 I remember years ago, on my first zot visit, I got a bit freaked out by that 01:07:24 -!- vimpulse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:58 -!- codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:27:43 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:39 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:29:01 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:05 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:04 03evilmike 07* 0.12-a0-975-g0258e9e: Three Abyss vaults. 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I can repair the vault then. 06:30:34 any ideas what would be decent default corpse/chunk colouring? I mean, mostly about what property should override what. 06:30:40 item_glyph += corpse : lightgrey ە 06:30:40 item_glyph += contaminated : brown 06:30:41 item_glyph += inedible : darkgrey 06:30:41 item_glyph += rot-inducing : lightred 06:30:43 item_glyph += poisonous : lightgreen 06:30:45 item_glyph += evil_eating : red 06:31:32 (a later entry overrides glyph/colour of previous ones) 06:32:13 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:32:50 kilobyte: looks alright 06:35:06 -!- jiero has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121025212310]] 06:36:22 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 06:37:30 hmm, in practice, ە looks quite close to a ring, and lightgrey corpses masquerade against the floor (lightgrey .) 06:37:38 some other glyph could be better 06:38:07 (and ASCII is completely stuffed, nothing to choose from really...) 06:39:49 kilobyte: why do you need different glyphs for chunk and corpse? 06:39:58 Confusion between them is very rare, I'd say. 06:41:28 at least primary food types tend to use the contaminated colour 06:41:55 easily solvable by moving contaminated to something else, I just wanted to keep it consistent with inventory/messages 06:57:45 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 07:00:18 hrm, another bad thing: poisonous corpses being lightgreen gives them a strong artefact-like highlight. Should be deemphasized instead. 07:04:42 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:08:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:00 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:00 kilobyte: �? 07:30:25 also we should use � for potions 07:31:10 ƍ would be good for orbs i think 07:31:17 it looks like a crystal ball 07:31:57 have to have a pure ASCII fallback 07:31:58 ȣ is another one we need 07:32:14 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:45 ɸ could be cool for closed doors 07:32:47 I need a bigger font for y term if this is gonna go on. 07:33:05 ʬ for water 07:33:10 ʬʬʬ 07:33:22 looks like scary teeth 07:33:43 ghallberg: DCSS 0.16: "minimal hardware: 12" screen, recommended hardware: 16" screen" 07:33:51 :D 07:33:53 θ - eyes 07:33:59 I've got a 12" actually. 07:34:01 π - altars 07:34:10 Ξ - fountains 07:34:16 (i already use these - they look great) 07:34:23 � - jellies/slimes etc 07:34:42 Eronarn: as I said, we should have a wiki page where we collect unicode glyphs (and the init file lines to use them) that make people actually employ 07:34:53 makes it easier for others to do the same 07:35:14 i use א for angels 07:35:16 Eronarn: so I guess I can take some lines from your rc file and start the wiki? 07:35:22 dpeg: sure 07:35:26 cool, will do 07:36:18 cset_unicode = wall:#, fountain:x039E, altar:x03C0, trees:x00B6, arch:x03A9, door_closed:+, item_book:x003A, floor:x00B7, cloud:x00A7 07:36:29 feature = wax wall {xA66E} 07:36:29 mon_glyph = dancing weapon : x03EF lightcyan 07:36:29 mon_glyph = skeletal warrior : L 07:36:29 mon_glyph = flaming corpse : Z 07:36:29 mon_glyph = G : x03F4 07:36:32 mon_glyph = * : 0 07:36:34 mon_glyph = A : x05DE 07:37:02 thanks 07:37:09 ps make skeletal warriors L glyph 07:37:11 they're baby liches 07:37:27 and it makes them much easier to distinguish from wights 07:37:35 which are same glyph, similar color, also come in packs 07:38:17 your fountain doesn't look like a fountain 07:38:33 bhaak: it's supposed to be water spraying into the air :) 07:38:44 what's a wax wall 07:39:53 MarvinPA: some thing that looks like a honeycomb 07:40:20 that's not what i meant :P 07:40:31 (wax walls don't exist) 07:40:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:41:45 Eronarn: have you tried U+2648? 07:44:44 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:54 -!- rast- is now known as rast 07:45:59 03dpeg 07* 0.12-a0-983-g1aeffdd: Fix dpeg_entry_water_fire entry vault (#6362). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/1aeffdd4ecb0 07:50:44 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:07 does anyone besides ero agree with L skele warriors 08:00:28 I have never seen anyone 08:01:29 clouded_: on my terminal, the green for wights and the blue for skeletal warriors has a really good contrast, so I never thought of further distinction 08:01:42 same here 08:01:58 If they were closer, I would probably differentiate them 08:02:04 @??skeletal warrior 08:02:04 skeletal warrior (10z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 56-76 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 25 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 817 | Sp: animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 08:02:06 @??wight 08:02:07 wight (03z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 813(drain) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil | Res: 06magic(16), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 59 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 08:02:22 @??lich 08:02:22 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 59-99 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(293), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4059 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), cryst.. 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numbers" block 14:44:06 -!- popbob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:11 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:28 ??test 14:46:28 Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:46:28 Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:46:28 summon butterflies[4/4]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 14:46:33 !messages 14:46:34 (1/1) minqmay said (5h 16m 45s ago): i had a dream last night that i kept saying "blimey" 14:46:34 (1/1) minqmay said (5h 16m 45s ago): i had a dream last night that i kept saying "blimey" 14:47:12 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:07 -!- due has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:25 -!- due has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:54 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:51:38 -!- eb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:36 -!- Wenzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:49 -!- Wenzell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:04 !tell rax I just disabled !tell and !message on wenzell, let me know if you feel the need to move what few messages wenzell still has over to henzell 14:55:04 Wensley: OK, I'll let rax know. 14:55:05 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:55:13 !tell wensley test 14:55:13 Wensley: OK, I'll let wensley know. 14:55:17 d 14:55:18 Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:55:18 I think it will be fine 14:55:18 rax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:55:21 ugh 14:55:25 due: what the holiness of wretched stars should be? Like silver stars (holy -> demonic), or like orbs of fire (unliving)? 14:55:25 messages, always :P 14:55:25 !messages 14:55:26 (1/1) Wensley said (13s ago): test 14:55:40 due: it's about how gods react to them, especially Zin 14:55:45 rax: well specifically I noted that you had a few messages in wenzell 14:55:51 Wensley: please queue up every !proselytize message 14:55:54 before sending the inbox over 14:56:15 elliott: she doesn't even want it! what you desire can never come to pass 14:56:33 yeah messages pile up 14:56:37 I guess email them to me? :) 14:56:46 rax: it is of vital importance to my wellbeing that Wenzell's inbox is transferred 14:56:51 how can I go without my daily Wensley praise 14:57:21 elliott: thanks for reminding me to disable that cron job before it spends years filling my hard drive with garbage 14:57:58 Wensley: no!!!!! i hate you 14:58:07 at least queue up 27 of them 14:58:48 elliott: well without control of the canonical messagedb I will no longer be able to forge your signature 14:59:20 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:21 Wensley: that's why you add them to the inbox before sending it 14:59:30 elliott: it's never getting sent! 14:59:40 listen to the words blasting out of my face via my fingers 14:59:43 I feel like I should stay out of this domestic dispute 15:00:00 wretched stars sound unliving rather than demonic to me i think 15:00:02 kilobyte: For what it's worth, I'm definitely in favor of nonliving. I'd seen them much more as a non-sentient conflux of overworldly energy than anything that could rightly be considered a 'demon' 15:00:23 I like that there is a distinction between nonliving and undead 15:00:25 orbs of fire are really chaotic too and also unreciteable so i think it's okay zin-wise 15:01:05 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:11 Incidentally, I will restate my concern about them debuffing all other demons around them. I don't think the mutations they apply to other monsters should apply to most native abyssal residents, which I think makes sense from both a flavor and a mechanics point of view. 15:06:36 FR: scroll of heresy: turn demons into angels, and vice versa 15:07:10 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:08:16 -!- Gorice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:09:41 !tell bh The catoblepas blinks! x15 15:09:42 Wensley: OK, I'll let bh know. 15:10:10 Wensley: that would be a pretty funny xom effect, but it'd have to be extremely rare 15:10:38 Eronarn: are you referring to mass blink, or a hypothetical "summon catlobe swarm" 15:11:06 Wensley: scroll of heresy 15:11:09 or even better, "summon perpetually blinking catlobe swarm" 15:11:10 ah 15:11:33 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:12:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 15:13:08 a monster that breathes blink would be cool 15:13:39 make it breathe a line of tloc smoke, and anything in the path is blinked 15:13:45 easy, just give clouds of translocational energy a chance to blink whatever is in them 15:13:57 that could be interesting actually 15:14:06 blinktoblepas 15:14:07 at least it would be if low-power blink were a thing 15:14:14 blinklobe 15:14:43 (why isn't low-power blink a thing) 15:15:11 Low powered as in only moves the caster a couple spaces? 15:15:15 yes 15:15:22 i should say, rather, blink that scales with spell power 15:15:46 Honestly that feels sort of awkward to me, if it did that 15:15:52 why 15:16:00 Because there are times where a short-range blink is actually better than a long-range one 15:16:14 A spell getting higher power should be unequivocaly good 15:16:24 catoblinkpas 15:17:13 DracoOmega: perhaps that should be true theoretically, but I can think of edge cases where crawl already defies that 15:17:42 like cloud spells that get larger radius as your power goes up, but also a larger chance to catch yourself in the spell 15:17:44 Well, I suppose it may be true with, say, using a storm at close range 15:18:03 But that sort of feels more edge case-y to me 15:18:13 DracoOmega: you could make casting blink let you dial a range for it 15:18:13 Maybe it's a subjective thing? 15:18:35 right, the question is whether the occasions where close blink > long blink are sufficiently rare to constitute an edge case 15:19:30 Of course, I'm not certain that blink needing more spellpower to reach max range is actually that interesting a change, anyway 15:19:45 It's not like random blinking really needs a nerf 15:20:56 DracoOmega: blink is a L2 spell, it's silly that with almost no power in it you are able to get so much utility 15:21:25 we've nerfed several other spells like that 15:21:37 apportation, confusing touch being notable examples 15:22:10 I don't think random blink has ever been considered as good as that 15:22:20 In fact, I think a lot of good players consider random blink to be kind of not that great 15:23:02 -!- SatanicMechanic has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> 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WalkerBoh, XL21 DrAK, T:76777 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/WalkerBoh/crash-WalkerBoh-20121107-044822.txt 22:50:32 Nah, you don't say? :P 22:54:18 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol WalkerBoh's repeatable crash looks webtiles-related: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/WalkerBoh/crash-WalkerBoh-20121107-044822.txt http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/WalkerBoh-webtiles-crash.cs 22:54:19 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 22:54:23 WalkerBoh the Phalangite (L21 DrAK) (Zot:5) 22:54:55 Yeah, it looks to be the same thing as the ones on mantis 22:55:23 <|amethyst> oh, I haven't looked at mantis recently 22:55:41 Yeah, a few other people have had similar issues and at least one save is currently unplayable since it crashes on load 22:55:45 Seems to be the same problem 22:55:49 WalkerBoh the Phalangite (L21 DrAK) (Zot:5) 22:56:04 I was going to try poking at it myself, but webtiles apparently is unsupported on windows T.T 22:56:10 WalkerBoh the Phalangite (L21 DrAK) (Zot:5) 22:57:00 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:01:17 any clues what's causing it? 23:02:28 Looks to be something with the webtiles map code 23:02:54 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:55 But that's about the sum total of useful info I can get from the crash dumps 23:03:21 hm 23:03:35 yeah, i don't understand the webtiles code 23:04:39 And it won't compile on windows, so there's not much poking I can do with it 23:04:43 i still can't decide if i like how my orbs came out 23:04:49 I like them 23:05:07 evilmike suggested using them all for the orb of fire 23:05:11 and having it change colors 23:05:34 I think them having casting animations might be a little odd, given that nothing else does 23:05:45 true 23:05:54 yeah its probably not worth it 23:05:56 also it would probably be horrific to code 23:07:02 Someone clearly just needs to stick orbs of ice in ice zigs so that people can actually see them :P 23:08:57 they're just supposed to be an extremely rare sprint enemy. i dont think they can even appear in the regular portion of the map 23:10:32 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:11:47 I was being facetious 23:12:24 I don't even know what they DO (other than, presumably, inflicting some form of cold damage on you) 23:15:43 they spam ice storm 23:16:23 Owww 23:19:18 -!- lexackson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:19:43 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:29 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:11 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:41 what's 0.10.4? backporting bugfixes? 23:24:16 yeah 23:24:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:22 evilmike: what are the lightning orbs called exactly? 23:27:30 "orb of electricity" 23:27:34 okay 23:31:21 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 23:31:59 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 23:32:17 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:09 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 23:34:27 -!- y2s82 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:35:55 Firing mode includes "buggy" mode, "hostiles" mode is repeated (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6368) by raskol 23:35:55 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:13 -!- virigoth has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:43:21 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:07 -!- Frisco has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:48 -!- Rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 23:47:44 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:15 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-984-g507c6f2: Orbs of fire (and variants) 10(39 seconds ago, 5 files, 8+ 4-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/507c6f2f6fa5 23:51:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:21 orbzz 23:55:54 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:00 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:57:58 i guess i should try doing the vortices now 23:58:08 since i've been putting it off and they look... weird