00:04:11 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:04:52 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:06:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-950-g3cec305 (34) 00:08:31 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:50 -!- spaceships has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:22:15 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:30:02 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 00:31:03 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 00:38:01 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:39:25 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:09 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:41:30 -!- Tijol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:54 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:42:16 -!- Ruby has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:42:33 -!- nmf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:44:24 -!- Nerem has quit [] 00:48:01 -!- nmf has quit [Client Quit] 00:59:13 monqy: I have an implementation of mass blink thing 00:59:46 how does it work? 00:59:52 same as before but less crazy? 01:00:33 less crazy. It blinks everything that's next to you. Things that are a square away at blinked 80% of the time, then 72%, and so on 01:01:25 It has a base DUR of 30 with a random range and a boost according to power 01:01:49 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:53 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:02:06 finally it causes contamination (slightly worse than haste) and has a bullseye magenta/blue halo 01:02:43 If the halo is too similar to liquefaction I can replace it with a spinning 'fallout shelter' style thing 01:03:10 'mass blink' continues to be a stupid name. 01:04:19 maybe something about warping space around you 01:04:34 that's too lungonu 01:04:43 Song of Golubria 01:05:38 'eh 01:05:54 ontoclasm: your impression is good, 'eh? 01:06:05 do you think it's powerful enough to be L8? 01:06:26 probably not level 8 01:06:53 consider that cblink is level 7 and will probably save you a lot more effectively 01:07:19 i'd make it... like lv5 or lv6 hex/tloc 01:07:35 damn. The idea was to make a more powerful tloc spell. 01:07:41 hm 01:08:16 well, i dunno, it might be super awesome 01:08:27 i guess it makes you pretty much immune to melee attacks for the duration 01:09:17 without the 9hp thing that DD does 01:09:35 Its usage is somewhat different than cblink would be, anyway. Cblink is quicker at getting you out of emergencies, but this could carve a path where none would otherwise exist 01:09:55 DracoOmega: yep. Someone's blocking the stairs? Throw everyone out of the way 01:09:56 (Also, it seems like it would work on levels that are -ctele, which is kind of significant) 01:10:57 I can put it up on mantis for people to argue about 01:11:21 ontoclasm: well compare with dispersal, which is level what 6 01:11:29 ??dispersal 01:11:30 dispersal[1/2]: Spell: All monsters that are adjacent to you will be instantly teleported away if they don't resist (via magic resistance). If a monster does resist, it will be blinked instead (even if it's immune!). 01:11:42 oh it doesn't say what level it is 01:11:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 01:11:43 learndb.. 01:11:44 monqy: way better. 01:11:49 except against centaurs 01:12:01 yeah the point is this mass blink thing is far more powerful than dispersal.. 01:12:15 dispersal teleports them, though 01:12:32 with mass blink they're still nearby and can still e.g. blow you up with spells 01:13:08 ontoclasm: but dispersal doesn't do anything against a lich who's two squares away 01:13:20 and this ignores resistance 01:13:37 even something identical to dispersal except irresistable sounds sort of op 01:13:43 a lich 7 squares away is, in general, worse than one 2 squares away 01:13:47 Well, dispersal's blinking is irresistable 01:13:49 elliott: op? 01:13:52 The tele is not, but the blinking is 01:13:55 overpowered. right 01:14:08 (even if you failed every MR check for tele) 01:14:18 maybe not at level 8 though 01:15:04 ontoclasm: mass blink is sustained over many turns so you can move while it's dispersing things 01:15:53 I put the patch on mantis. 01:16:17 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:16:28 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 01:16:33 night 01:17:36 -!- bh has quit [Quit: gtfo] 01:19:36 Mass Blink (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6353) by brendan 01:22:13 -!- Skid_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:35 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:07 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:30:05 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:23 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:37:12 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:44 -!- Domassus has quit [Client Quit] 01:49:54 -!- Thorbinator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:58:32 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:59 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:08 -!- MorganL has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:03:48 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04:30 -!- whog has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:06 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:15 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:11:02 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:11:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:19 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:14:33 -!- Shovelmint has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:16:33 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:28 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:33 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 02:35:40 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 03:01:39 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:49 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:17:23 -!- Tenaya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:24:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 03:33:06 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36:59 greensnark: sure, where to? 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07:04:23 really still 0.10 instead of 0.11 builds for debian? 07:04:53 03edlothiol 07* 0.12-a0-951-g448f073: Dump the Webtiles message buffer when crashing. 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 0-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/448f07302b02 07:04:58 Unplayable in Windows 8 full screen mode (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6354) by cybersaint2k 07:10:04 is this the beginning of windows 8 horrors 07:15:36 i think kilobyte tested crawl with win8, and there were problems 07:17:55 problems such as crawl being completely fucked under some fairly common circumstances 07:19:59 -!- Morokiane has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:21:44 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:01 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:06 -!- faze has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:33 could someone point me in the direction of the code that deals with wielding cursed weapons? 07:24:50 i'd like to write a patch 07:25:13 grep for wield? just a guess :) 07:25:15 i keep getting annoyed when i wield a cursed weapon and have that skill selected 07:25:40 Keskitalo: i was going to do that, just checking if anyone knew offhand 07:26:34 if you are wield a cursed mace or read curse weapon with a mace equipped and you have a remove curse scroll in your inventory, you should be prompted to read it rather than forcing you to enable another skill, read the scroll, disable that skill and reenable the weapon skill 07:26:46 or, just let us train weapon skills no matter what 07:27:01 which sounds better? if the latter has a chance, i won't waste my time with a patch 07:28:00 it's one of those things that takes 4 too many steps 07:29:02 reducing the restrictions by a lot has been suggested a bunch, yeah 07:29:29 i'm definitely in favour of getting rid of all the curse/distortion/vampiric/etc restrictions, i think elliptic is too 07:30:13 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 07:30:15 i wouldn't bother with a patch for a prompt, agreed that that's definitely way too many steps for something so simple 07:30:46 Napkin: I just deleted 0.8, and it looks like I did not keep the scripts for 0.9 capability. 07:31:03 if you feel like patching to remove the restrictions that'd be good though :P 07:31:12 Napkin: had to rebuild past versions, because I've done a boo-boo when adding armhf 0.11 07:31:20 MarvinPA: wouldn't it be better to hear galehar on this? 07:31:21 aah, cool :) 07:31:58 are we s07:40:59 Better feedback for randarts in ?: log (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6356) by dpeg 07:40:59 Ctrl-F to list matches in inventory (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6355) by dpeg 07:41:54 MarvinPA: i'll write that patch and let you guys decide :) 07:55:28 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman|meeting 08:01:33 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:05 Will Xom-scumming in temple as mummy still work in .11? 08:05:22 -!- blabber has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13:20 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:22 depends what you mean by work 08:14:16 dpeg: mm, that ctrl+f implementable looks easy, maybe I'll have a go at a patch (it annoys me too) 08:14:38 -!- VengefulCarrot has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:14:47 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:00 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:51 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:19:07 -!- dosman|meeting is now known as dosman711 08:27:14 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:27:43 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:29:20 -!- oberstein has quit [Quit: uhhh] 08:30:05 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:59 elliott: yay! (just back in) 08:36:57 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:37:08 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:37:44 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:37:58 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:46:15 -!- shalmezad has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:35 -!- garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:58:14 re training restrictions: galehar said he does not object to removing them, but wouldnt undo his hard work himself. But its probably better to talk about it again when hes around. 09:05:29 cool 09:05:39 i didn't mean to barge in and demand change :P 09:05:48 i am writing the patch to remove it, at least 09:06:16 elliott: To be able to stand forever in temple receiving gifts from Xom. 09:17:39 Pingas: then yes but said gifts are likely to be fatal as time goes on 09:17:46 since xom can summon hostile demons or banish you or whatever 09:17:55 That's half the fun. 09:18:20 >Oh neat, a rod of smiting. 09:18:27 >Surrounded by fiends two turns later. 09:18:30 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:47 well xom will no longer gift rods of smiting 09:19:49 since they no longer exist :) 09:20:07 surrounded by fiends what 09:20:58 crimson fiends 09:23:26 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:23:58 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:28 -!- SatanicMechanic has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 09:35:04 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:40:03 -!- Satans_mechanic is now known as SatanicMechanic 09:45:36 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:50:45 -!- gal_bolle has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:54:14 -!- imantor_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:58:51 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Client Quit] 10:01:34 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:02:16 -!- shalmezad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02:38 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:10:33 -!- wh1te has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:46 -!- athros has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:13:11 -!- virigoth has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:13:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:12 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:18:15 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:27:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:24 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 10:37:33 -!- Ilirion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:01 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:45 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:15 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:49:35 After character death, new random viable causes CTD. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6357) by SatanicMechanic 10:54:43 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:55:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:10:07 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:17 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:06 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:35 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:21:16 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:24:34 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:24:55 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:31:34 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 11:35:53 -!- Ilirion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:56 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:36:05 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:39:11 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:40:27 MarvinPA, faze: I'm definitely in favor of making the only requirement for training a weapon skill be having a weapon of that type in your inventory 11:42:44 can shields skill be trainable with a shield in inventory but not equipped while you're at it 11:42:53 that one is the silliest :( 11:43:14 i thought that was the case 11:43:21 the change i made should allow it 11:44:11 elliott: at least that one doesnt randomly slap you in the face with the skill choice screen 11:44:20 elliott: I am in favor of that also, yes 11:44:49 you pretty much have to wait until you find a buckler to train shields on the smaller races and "casters" 11:46:20 that isn't really true, shield penalties aren't so bad... but still it would be more consistent to remove that requirement 11:46:45 elliptic: well if you are using a 1.5-hander it might be bad, though i've never been in that situation 11:47:00 yeah, I just meant it is not always true 11:47:06 i guess i haven't tried equipping a shield at low skill with a halfing 11:47:35 i just assumed it's bad if you need ~20 skill levels to remove the penalty 11:47:35 also on "casters" in a robe who don't have any borderline castable spells 11:48:14 right, only up until you get your skills high enough to compensate, which doesn't take too long 11:48:15 faze: same penalty as for anyone else 11:48:27 at 0 skill 11:49:37 is the penalty the same from skill 0 to (9|15|21)? 11:50:17 or are they equivalent at say, (3, 5, 7) 11:50:35 Put on a wizard hat and a helmet at the same time (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6358) by Suseika 11:51:00 -!- alefury has left ##crawl-dev 11:51:06 faze: troll with 3 skill has the same penalty as halfling with 7 skill 11:51:10 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:19 ok, that's what i figured 11:52:20 please dont fix that hat bug 11:52:22 that's amazing 11:54:54 -!- elliott has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:39 -!- odiv has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:17 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:10:36 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:09 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 12:42:31 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:43:47 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:55 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 12:47:56 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:42 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:54:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:56:59 obsidian rune (presumably mimic) spotted on D:8 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6359) by some12fat2move 12:57:09 -!- estrael has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57:54 vaults are vaults 13:02:21 bad vaults are bad vaults 13:02:48 seems like that qualifies as a bug to me :P 13:03:27 i think that's nicolae_that_was_easy 13:03:34 er 13:03:34 it is, yeah 13:03:40 nicolae_well_that_was_easy 13:04:01 it rather qualifies as stupid gimmick 13:04:02 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:37 that vault is surrounded by glass right 13:04:52 it has a door in 13:04:55 over- or abusing mimics in such ways doesn't help their acceptance in any way, too 13:05:07 -!- sixtypoundsofvan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:05:30 <|amethyst> what about the entry vault with three rune mimics and an orb mimic? 13:05:36 !vault nicolae_well_that_was_easy 13:05:41 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/5167791 13:05:43 <|amethyst> !vault nicolae_your_instructions 13:05:44 Couldn't find nicolae_your_instructions in the Crawl source tree 13:05:54 oh a secret door 13:06:01 <|amethyst> !vault nicolae_entry_your_instructions 13:06:02 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/5167793 13:06:02 that one is not great either, yeah 13:06:05 people actually managed to die in that 13:06:21 that was due to a mimic upstair bug 13:06:24 granted it was a bug with an earlier version of the vault but 13:06:34 i think once you can path onto the rune and see it's a mimic it'd be fine? 13:06:47 er, due to abyss exiting placing you on an upstair 13:10:14 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:12:34 haha there's another complaint in ##crawl just now 13:12:38 fr just remove those two 13:13:01 i'm not sure whether that's actually a complaint 13:13:01 or make them really rare 13:13:08 just someone going "wtf" 13:13:13 i think that was a fake complaint :P 13:13:41 wacky stuff is completely fine, it should just be rarer than ordinary content 13:13:45 <|amethyst> I like your_instructions, but the other one seems meh 13:14:19 it's kind of silly 13:14:32 Yiuf's hammerfest is also silly 13:15:07 certainly generates lots of mc hammer jokes on reddit, though 13:15:35 Zannick: on all communication channels 13:16:01 true. i only watch a subset. 13:16:28 but Yiuf works because the ordinary vault is a staple, so the rarer incarnations can play on it 13:16:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:07 right, whereas this is essentially just a vault with a guaranteed mechanical trap in the middle 13:17:35 if it were actually a good joke on top of that it would help, but it's not imo :P 13:18:04 -!- iimii is now known as nimtz 13:18:47 make it an orb mimic and change the monsters to Terribly Confused Orb Guardians 13:18:47 :p 13:19:10 The orb guardian is a mimic! 13:22:43 mimics are never really interesting enough for vaults 13:23:47 i only really wanted to have rune mimics where runes could be 13:23:53 outside of that context it doesn't work so well 13:25:19 fr vault mimic 13:27:54 the "monster jail preview" entry type kinda makes sense, as eye candy... the rune / orb mimic gag doesn't appeal to me very much at all 13:44:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:59 just remember the rule: if you remove something funny/wacky, you also have to add something funny/wacky to compensate 13:45:48 well nobody so far has claimed that this vault is actually funny :P 13:45:53 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:04 doesnt matter :P 13:46:36 imo remove vault & add something unfunny to compensane 13:47:21 i wonder if there is an obviously phallic vault already 13:47:27 and with that mental image, i leave you 13:47:34 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 13:48:04 hundreds 13:53:15 -!- Shovelmint has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:59:04 monqy: okely dokely 13:59:19 "penance" 14:02:39 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:06:00 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 14:06:17 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 14:06:46 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:09:44 -!- Shovelmint has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:31 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16:43 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:48 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:57 -!- Elynae_ is now known as Elynae 14:20:17 -!- octotrog is now known as OCTOTROG 14:23:49 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:24:25 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:27:01 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:01 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:30:34 -!- gal_bolle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:01 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:36:27 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:49 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:44:32 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:45:06 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 14:45:25 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48:39 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:57 -!- virigoth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 14:56:36 -!- SatanicMechanic has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:56:50 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:23 do monsters not open runed doors? 15:06:50 they do not currently, though this might change 15:07:17 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 15:07:34 ok 15:07:55 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:13 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:19:21 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:23:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:14 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:29:31 Abyss - Detects monster in LOS, but not terrain (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6360) by Bloax 15:29:55 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 15:31:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:32:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:42:28 about bad vaults: ones that I hate the most are those like the Makhleb burning people altar that do something just as you enter without any thematic explanation _why_ they'd wait for you to enter 15:43:46 they can Sense An Aura Of Destiny About the PC? (probably doesn't applay to the Trog/Makhleb ones, granted) 15:45:44 finding a skeleton with some traces is not that bad: you know the skeleton would have long since decayed, but that's just your knowledge of the game's mechanics, it doesn't break immersion 15:46:44 Lugonu or Nemelex spawning some incentive gift while _talking to you_ is also ok, it shows specifically heeding you 15:49:39 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:49:45 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 15:50:16 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 15:51:05 kilobyte: are you okay with the Kikubaaqudgha human sacrifice vault? 15:52:05 i've never seen that one 15:52:14 the Yred vesion a buch of times, but not the Kiku 15:52:57 the one with a human inside glass who gets miasmaed and raised as a zombie 15:53:06 the Kiku one is borderline 15:54:25 kilobyte: I am fine with these: to me, these vaults are like divine gifts, the god showcases what's in store for you if you'd just join the cult... 15:54:28 could be argued that Kikubaaqudgha is waiting for a worthy worshipper... but it's still somewhat on the bad side of the border 15:55:15 the trog burning book vault 15:55:33 kilobyte: I'd give the Kiku one the benefit of doubt because it's impressive. 15:55:40 there should be a xom vault that when you enter you're taken on a teleroulette 15:55:40 the human in Kiku's is at least imprisoned, Makhelb's offers no explanation why those guys would wait and jump into fire precisely the moment you approach 15:56:33 Zannick: ... or one of a select few other Xom effects 15:56:45 kilobyte: that's a good observation 15:57:13 20 gold pieces {god gift} 15:58:53 generally variable/fire_pits.des has the worst offenders 15:59:57 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:06:54 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:14 -!- Miron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:15 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 16:12:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:50 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping 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##crawl-dev 18:58:18 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:51 What's the timeframe like for .12 release? 18:59:20 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:00:22 somewhen shortly before the next tournament, but nothing is really set yet 19:00:45 the 0.11 tournament slipped by quite a bit due to CAO's move 19:01:16 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:01:46 kilobyte, in that it was later than usual? 19:01:49 february/march-ish would be consistent with the past couple of years I think 19:01:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:01:57 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:03:17 alright, I was trying to see if it will be feasible to have the ranged rewrite done in time. 19:03:18 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:47 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:07 whoops, daughter tried to shutdown my laptop 19:05:27 -!- minqmay is now known as minmay 19:05:31 -!- minmay is now known as minqmay 19:06:34 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:09:57 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:14 kilobyte, I suppose working towards a "try to duplicate functionality" is the best approach 19:12:11 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:12:27 a plan has been discussed before, but only partially implemented 19:13:05 having missiles work like melee weapons, with the same formula 19:13:47 this makes it impossible to have separate stats and enchantments for ammunition, that's why the enchantment has been removed 19:13:55 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:06 too bad, I had no time to go any further 19:14:28 So ammo enchantment has been removed? What about ammo brand? 19:14:40 I merely moved the code to throw.cc and did some superficial fixes 19:14:59 like weapon brands, I guess... 19:15:42 for a time, launcher/ammo brands were stackable, ammo brands overwrite the launcher currently 19:16:06 I saw mention on the wiki about getting ammo & launcher brands stackable, is that still the desire? 19:16:20 that was the case in the past 19:17:04 the wiki is woefully outdated, and full of random brainstorming no one but its writer cares about... 19:19:02 so it's really "who puts the work into coding, decides" :p 19:19:16 stackable brands were really complicated when they were in 19:20:39 they might work better if ammo brands are changed to be distinct from launcher brands 19:21:04 like, flame/frost/venom should be on only one of them 19:21:30 i think making them fully distinct and stackable was the proposal i saw at some point or other, yeah 19:22:44 but would still need a special case for nessos then, i guess :P 19:22:44 it also might help to change flame/frost to work like the melee brands rather than converting the entire damage to that type 19:23:50 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:23:59 MarvinPA: he could get an ammo brand no one else has access to 19:24:40 the player would get a stack for killing him, but only until the arrows mulch away 19:24:53 yeah, that'd work 19:26:21 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 19:34:57 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:38:04 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45:04 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:46:45 Cryp71c: my plan was: missiles work exactly as melee weapons, at least for damage, and perhaps to-hit as well, so if longbows stay at 6 base dam, using one would work same as a sabre 19:46:49 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:47:20 -!- Ashenden_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:23 this would allow comparing ranged and melee weapons, and avoid all the complexity we have currently 19:47:27 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:58 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:20 -!- imantor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:49:28 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49:42 there's only one case where a launcher can be used with two types of ammunition: slings, this could be done by imposing some penalty like 2/3 or 1/2 damage for not having proper bullets 19:50:49 the to-hit/dam fields on ammunition would be used only for thrown stuff 19:52:14 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:52:26 -!- rast- is now known as rast 19:53:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:04 -!- Enigma is now known as Guest32127 19:59:59 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: auf wiedersehen] 20:01:31 aren't ranged weapons already incredibly powerful 20:02:01 oh sorry i missed the second half of this 20:02:09 i don't think any of this is intended to change balance 20:02:25 well i mean to some extent it will but yeah 20:04:54 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:04:55 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:04:56 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 20:07:40 balance can be adjusted by changing to-hit/dam, obviously. Current values would make pretty like sense. 20:07:47 galehar posted a ranged overhaul proposal on the tavern 20:07:54 ill dig it up 20:07:55 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:59 hai 20:08:06 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 20:08:13 Mu_: current power of ranged weapons is due to quirks in the formulas, not due to their raw stats 20:08:38 yeah sorry i only read the part about stacking brands 20:09:14 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4645 20:10:01 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 20:10:15 so... any feedback on mass blink? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6353 20:11:11 how is this very different from blink? 20:11:25 alefury: it's dispersal on steroids 20:11:39 it changes the relative position of monsters 20:11:46 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 20:11:47 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:11:53 blink does the same, only it also changes your position in relation to the terrain 20:11:56 alefury: it blinks away everyone 20:12:03 which is often actually better 20:12:12 it's also a duration effect. 20:12:31 oh, i didnt realize that from the mantis text 20:12:41 i thought it only blinks every enemy once 20:12:55 "Mass Blink" strongly suggests working just once 20:13:10 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Client Quit] 20:13:41 i cant find a description in the patch, so bh, you will have to explain 20:14:07 kilobyte: yeah. I need a new name 20:14:18 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:25 alefury: I'll write one up. Where does the description stuff live? 20:14:46 dat/descript/whatever.txt 20:14:54 -!- jarpiain has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:01 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:26 -!- jarpiain is now known as Guest81449 20:15:32 MarvinPA: that's for the thematic description, I guess folks are asking for a mechanical one 20:15:55 well, it should describe what the spell does too :P 20:18:12 looks like it blinks -tele things? also projectiles 20:18:48 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20:11 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 20:22:54 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:24:13 hmm. good night. 20:24:17 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:24:27 -!- ZRN has quit [] 20:24:41 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:35 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:45 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:25:48 ebarrett the Invulnerable (L27 HOAr) (Zot:2) 20:26:03 can I view the description of a spell if I don't have it in a book? 20:26:32 yeah, with ?/s 20:29:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:59 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30:15 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 20:31:06 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:16 Mechanically I think it's sound. In all likelihood it needs some generous tweaking. The glow might be too harsh. And the name sucks. 20:31:31 i'm liking the halo effect :P 20:31:59 my only comment right now is that it needs a different name 20:32:18 as for the gameplay and the effect itself... I have no idea. But it's worth trying out 20:32:40 MarvinPA: I'm considering replacing the halo with a rotating 'fallout shelter' type halo 20:32:45 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:32:59 The current halo might be too close to liquefaction 20:34:15 -!- jotwebe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:29 I'll be back later, !tell me if you have any ideas 20:36:37 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:17 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:38:35 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48:13 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 20:50:42 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:15 Sorry, my younger daughter isn't feeling well, so I had to abandon my laptop right after I saw your last message directed @ me kilobyte. 20:54:11 kilobyte, so what you're discussing would also effectively remove/ignore the damage components of ammo entirely, and where that doesn't work (slings) impose a damage penalty based completely off of ammo type, correct? 21:04:43 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:38 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:11:18 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:25:53 -!- Stonar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:48 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:59 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:09 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:48 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:36:19 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:06 -!- Sapz has quit [] 21:49:10 -!- crate has quit [] 21:49:17 -!- Mandevil\splat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:03:25 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:14:30 -!- rkd has quit [] 22:15:34 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:18:57 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:19:59 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 22:28:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:30:54 -!- mfcstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:55 -!- mfcstein_ is now known as mfcstein 22:31:44 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:18 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:33:16 -!- Ryven has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:34:23 -!- qpzil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:38:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:58 -!- Skid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:42:33 -!- Guest32127 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:44:27 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:48:49 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:56:58 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 22:57:46 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:00 -!- BorekL has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:19 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:43 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:13:47 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Client Quit] 23:14:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:38 -!- Tabesh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:22 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:17:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 23:17:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:07 -!- Akett has quit [Client Quit] 23:24:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:25:03 -!- Arrhythmia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:27:05 -!- mfcstein has quit [Quit: Johnstein quit] 23:28:32 -!- nmf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:29:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:33:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:23 -!- jle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:36:04 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:44:49 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:45:34 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:42 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:49 -!- Rewans has quit [] 23:47:08 -!- browncustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:26 -!- browncus1ard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:27 -!- browncus2ard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:57:58 -!- somatism has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]