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Usage: !nick ...; !nick -rm ; !nick -rm 01:36:44 !nick: Maps a nick to name(s) used on cao. Usage: !nick ...; !nick -rm ; !nick -rm 01:36:52 !nick Zannick 01:36:52 No nick mapping for zannick. 01:36:53 Mapping zannick => jokeserver 01:37:07 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:37:15 !lg 01:37:16 No games for Zannick. 01:37:24 !lg jokeserver 01:37:24 458. jokeserver the Nimble (L9 FeCK), worshipper of Xom, blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:10 (minmay goldmine) on 2012-10-29, with 4249 points after 14982 turns and 0:58:59. 01:38:08 who runs Sequell nowadays? |amethyst? 01:38:37 greensnark 01:38:49 oh, of course 01:41:01 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: auf wiedersehen] 01:46:00 !nick goodplayers 01:46:01 Mapping goodplayers => magistern 01:46:01 Mapping goodplayers => magistern 01:46:04 wat 01:46:08 !nick greatplayers 01:46:08 Mapping greatplayers => 78291 hyperbolic stabwound xyblor elliptic pseudonut mikee itsmu nht casmith789 jaeger clouded marvinpa reid nyaakitty evilmike toastyp theglow ionfrigate valrus jeanjacques ebarrett surr elynae magistern pivotal crate bart ophanim pac jeremie eeviac absolutego ktgrey bmfx vizer 01:46:08 No nick mapping for greatplayers. 01:46:38 !lg greatplayers 01:46:42 59380. ophanim the Cudgeler (L3 DSWn), succumbed to a scorpion's poison on D:2 on 2012-10-29, with 135 points after 1574 turns and 0:02:30. 01:46:49 !lg goodplayers 01:46:50 No games for goodplayers. 01:46:54 !lg magistern 01:46:56 2546. magistern the Miscreant (L6 KoAs), worshipper of Trog, slain by a giant frog on D:4 on 2012-10-29, with 516 points after 5135 turns and 0:14:50. 01:48:01 I believe minmay deleted goodplayers a while back. It may have been half a joke 01:48:39 ??goodplayers 01:48:40 goodplayers[1/4]: magistern 01:48:52 it was deleted as a joke and then there was consensus to reconstruct it as just magistern 01:49:40 hm 01:49:44 weird that greatplayers can be resolved but not goodplayers 01:49:54 (regardless of the goodplayers/magistern silliness) 01:50:10 Consensus? I must have missed that part. 01:50:50 by consensus i mean like 3 people said yes 01:51:15 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52:36 There's a way to construct more or less the same effect for Sequell using some sort of complex syntax that I don't fully understand, yes? 01:52:56 I seem to recall reading about how to filter players by games played or won or something 01:52:59 (I don't really remember) 01:54:57 goodplayers was silly anyway 01:54:59 i dont think thats actually possible 01:55:14 i'm not sure goodplayers is a good metric since you can just win ten mibe 01:55:24 if you are persistent enough 01:55:27 and it was pretty huge 01:55:38 remember when it only required 6 wins and then i deleted it 01:56:04 monqy: i thought that was accidental 01:56:22 it was 01:56:32 but i still did it!! 01:56:39 how brave 01:58:17 Well, on an individual level, yes it may not mean much 01:58:46 yeah, nick mapping is broken unless you have multiple nicks mapped from the alias 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There's a big "Bugs & Suggestions" button on the front page, how can you not find it? 09:00:51 maybe the "suggestions" bit should be removed? 09:01:00 feature requests are long disabled after all 09:02:51 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:20:11 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:21:02 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:37 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:28:04 -!- Miron has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:28:27 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:29:46 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:30:24 -!- Autistic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:31:05 -!- Rewans has quit [] 09:33:10 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:03 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:39:51 -!- barnex has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 09:42:19 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58:45 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:11 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:03:05 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:49 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:54 -!- Miron1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:12:31 -!- SatanicMechanic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:08 -!- BronzeBeard has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:25:27 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:27 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:55 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 10:36:14 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:03 -!- BoredOne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:21 instant spawn kill (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6346) by s1rlancerlott 10:44:01 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 10:45:41 -!- Staplegun has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:45:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:49:17 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:50 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:39 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:07:06 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07:33 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:10:49 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:54 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 11:15:44 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:36 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:44 odc100 (L27 HEFE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_index(mg.foe) || mg.foe == MHITYOU || mg.foe == MHITNOT) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1680 failed. (Slime:6) 11:35:17 FR: Xtahua doesn't open doors, instead...destroying them (like how jellies eat doors) 11:35:40 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:54 YES PLEASE 11:35:57 ??dragon form 11:35:57 dragon form[1/4]: You're a dragon now! RAAAAWR! Breathe fire! Be tough (+60% hp) and strong! Level 7 Transmutations/Fire. Single-school transmutations for draconians. 11:36:00 RAAAAWR! 11:36:03 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:23 (also for dragon form, please, maybe?) 11:36:35 alefury, interesting flavor, I wouldn't see why not.. 11:37:20 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:37:23 some monsters did that in castle of the winds 11:37:27 smash doors i mean 11:40:14 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:41:35 i support this because it gives the player more ways to destroy terrain 11:41:48 soon the dream of turning every level into a gigantic box with nothing in it will be possible 11:43:44 isnt it already? 11:43:54 except permarock? 11:44:45 alefury: can't get rid of magical traps afaik... i guess you can LRD doors 11:45:18 can only get rid of water with malign gateway (limited) or fedhas (unavailable to undead, and a food clock is annoying for doing something like this) AFAIK 11:45:23 Cryp71c: the lernaean hydra already does that 11:45:29 (also the malign gateway thing is sort of a bug) 11:45:34 (but please dont fix it) 11:45:53 oh, water. i think you can also just shatter doors, though. 11:46:35 there are many ways to remove walls, but there's not a single one to create permanent ones 11:48:23 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:48:45 yes, creating terrain is harder 11:48:52 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:49:06 carving out unused bits of map with summon elemental is the easiest way I think, but that's not really "creating" 11:49:37 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 11:49:54 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52:07 there's no way to create walls (both Zin and the card time out), creating water is limited too except for the robe of clouds (Fedhas piety and cards are limited) 11:52:51 and for the robe of clouds, forget of any god but Chei not excommunicating you for piety decay 11:52:56 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:54:06 oklobs might count as _some_ form of terrain :p 11:54:39 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:59 fedhas piety isn't limited is it 11:55:05 there's an infinite supply of monsters with corpses 11:57:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00:33 they're pretty rare in the Abyss, and Pan has only hell hounds and AFAIR hell hogs 12:00:51 and wizards 12:00:53 -!- Ilirion has quit [Client Quit] 12:00:55 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:05 really though we need monster DS 12:01:28 kilobyte: zigs 12:01:31 * kilobyte axed wizards, save for Lom's level. 12:01:34 elliott: ah right 12:01:48 there are enough levels with corpses that you can replenish the piety you need if you're willing to do it over and over again I think 12:01:55 though I guess you could get excommunicated while trying to find a zig 12:02:04 still, scumming Zigs for Fedhas' piety means filling levels with water will be _quite_ slow 12:02:12 oh, and you need food, too 12:02:20 well, nobody said it would be easy :P 12:02:34 pan has enough permafood to sustain a normal metabolism I think at least 12:02:40 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 12:02:59 but yes, hence you really want a way to get rid of water while undead 12:03:11 does fedhas excommunicate for necromutation or just give penance? 12:03:19 (actually does fedhas even mind necromutation? it doesn't mess with corpses) 12:06:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:26 elliott, I would expect so, since necromutation turns you undead, and undead cannot worship fedhas. 12:08:37 one might even make a case for it to be a disallowed spell entirely. 12:08:44 right 12:09:59 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:11:11 <|amethyst> necromutation is considered "corpse-violating" 12:11:19 <|amethyst> just penance, though 12:11:36 <|amethyst> excommunication might make sense (compare with Yred and Statue Form) 12:17:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:18:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:29 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:27:48 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:27 -!- ZRN has quit [] 12:33:28 |amethyst: so can you necromutate, get enough piety to get out of penance, and stay in necromutated form? I guess the problem is when you need to renew it 12:34:34 -!- knaveightt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34:55 <|amethyst> yeah, penance whenever you recast 12:35:39 <|amethyst> could become a problem if we get persistent buffs, but that's true for every penance-inducing buff (Regen for Elytes, etc) 12:38:39 excommunication sounds about right though 12:38:50 I think Trog should probably excommunicate for magic use too 12:39:17 it's closer to a fundamental violation of Trog's religion than a "mistake" like bashing into someone you pacified 12:46:17 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:46:22 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 12:46:44 elliott: it's very easy to accidentally cast a spell with trog though 12:47:06 we'd need to add a prompt (possibly a good idea anyway) 12:48:50 elliptic: yes, that sounds like a good idea anyway 12:49:01 elliptic: and that infrastructure would let you finally inscribe spells {!z}! 12:49:06 (e.g. borg) 12:49:19 (well, with some extra work of course, but it would be a lot nicer than just relying on using uncommon letters) 12:56:10 -!- Yen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:04 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:01:33 -!- BlackSheep_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:11 -!- Sab0t has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:06:34 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:56 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:08 -!- BlackSheep_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:50 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:20 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:18:42 -!- ussdefiant__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:07 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 13:19:48 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:21 -!- marcmagus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:51 -!- ussdefiant__ is now known as ussdefiant 13:21:45 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:25:26 -!- Xares has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:04 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:00 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:15 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:39:26 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:11 -!- imantor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:47:40 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:17 ??translocations 13:48:17 translocations[1/1]: The art of moving things without physically doing so. 13:48:33 What's the highest level translocation spell? Control teleport? 13:48:48 ah. controlled blink 13:50:43 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:56:46 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:03:54 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:40 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:15:46 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:16:36 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:18 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:18 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:18 and Malign Gateway, both level 7 14:21:43 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:43 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:43 -!- garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:22:08 -!- Implojin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:22:33 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:22:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:16 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:29:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:32:19 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 14:34:10 -!- zenzei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:25 elliptic: How about an air and/or translocation spell that increases the cost of a monster moving toward you? too lame? 14:35:38 bh: see leda's liquefaction 14:35:46 elliptic: but that's earth themed :) 14:36:07 similar effect though 14:36:22 <|amethyst> tornado but directed outwards and no damage 14:36:36 <|amethyst> not really tloc though 14:37:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37:36 I guess I'm just sad that there are no high level tloc spells 14:38:04 L7 is pretty high IMO 14:38:15 L7 isn't high, L9 is high :) 14:38:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:38:47 <|amethyst> solution: make cblink level 9 14:39:00 |amethyst: you're even more evil than I 14:39:06 cblink isn't glamourous enough to be L9 14:39:06 solution: remove cblink :p 14:39:13 alt. make cblink into blink storm 14:39:24 L9: Level teleport! 14:39:24 IMO L8/9 spells should be very flashy and fun to cast 14:39:24 it's identical except flavoured as a storm with aoe targetting and tloc clouds 14:39:27 <|amethyst> telefrag 14:39:41 bh: ... have you heard of the portal spell 14:39:41 bh: 14:39:42 ??portal 14:39:43 portal[1/1]: L7 Tloc; book of the warp. Takes you from your current level; places you on up-stairs at the level of your choosing, up to 9 levels up or down. Enemies don't follow or attack, but those at your destination get a turn. Works in the main dungeon only, and not when on stairs, altars, traps, shops, etc. Skipped levels are not generated. Gone in 0.8. 14:40:07 elliptic: no, I started playing around 0.8 14:40:57 +/- 9 levels is absurd 14:40:58 elliptic: yes (on L9 spells) -- I call these trademark (or signature) powers, when it comes to gods. They should be strong and flashy. 14:41:35 Portal does not work as a spell. 14:41:51 spells should be used in combat 14:41:56 or at least with monsters around 14:42:10 fr scroll of portal 14:42:19 what about a spell that teleports individual pieces of an enemy monster to different parts of the level? 14:42:24 that's pretty flashy 14:42:28 Zannick: shouldn't you be working? :-P 14:42:31 :3 14:42:43 bh: could ask you the same! 14:42:46 elliptic: yes. Also see divinations, Alter Self etc. 14:42:53 Zannick: I'm on 'vacation' (waiting for the movers to arrive) 14:43:01 lichform partially violates this btw 14:43:09 aha 14:43:14 elliptic: but it's flashy in a way 14:43:23 This might overlap too much with corruption, but what about a tloc spell that grabs the entire chunk of the dungeon you're in, pulls it to another floor and swaps it with whatever was there 14:43:23 because sometimes people use it while travelling around just to save food 14:43:33 (and brings you and everything else there with it) 14:43:51 it has made me wonder whether lichform should give glow or have some other cost to discourage using it when travelling 14:44:01 dpeg: sure, it is quite flashy I'd say 14:44:17 it just has more utility outside of combat than I would like 14:44:24 elliptic: I support that thinking 14:44:54 alternatively there is that idea of somehow making lichform irreversible 14:44:56 elliptic: I suggested that all Nec spells come with some sort of drawback, like many already do, starting with Pain. 14:45:03 Isn't there a prohibition on granting racial powers as spells? 14:45:10 elliptic: not sure that spells should be one-off material 14:45:19 bh: racial powers? 14:45:30 elliptic: "You're a mummy" for example 14:45:47 I wouldn't call that a power 14:45:51 elliptic: like casting Swiftness on a Spriggan? 14:46:03 sorry, that was to bh 14:46:12 * dpeg is an exceptionally bad tab completer tonight 14:47:03 dpeg: take DD's -- we would never consider letting other races get a recharge power 14:47:17 bh: true 14:47:40 active power like that is rather different from a passive thing like being undead... 14:47:46 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:48:34 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:49 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:57 how about this: "Blinktitis" a duration spell that causes you to blink randomly with a bias against putting you next to things? 14:50:10 bh: might be a bit annoying to use, both offensively and defensively... sounds a bit like a Xom effect :) 14:50:32 make it more controlled; you simply move up to N squares per turn instead of the usual 1 14:51:02 I just ran into a pack of humans on D:6. Is that indicative of a vault or unique? 14:51:04 and through monsters potentially 14:51:13 yes 14:51:27 sometimes 14:51:31 probably pikel 14:51:40 Yes, Pikel going to the market. 14:51:55 pikel has slaves 14:52:04 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:52:40 they look exactly the same :p 14:52:44 blinkitis i've seen suggested before somewhere, seems sort of potentially useful 14:52:51 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:36 blinkitis sounds more reasonable as a L6-7 spell than anything higher to me 14:53:41 wouldn't be worth being particularly high level, yeah 14:53:54 i guess moving up to N squares per move action would be a bit tedious in terms of interface 14:54:12 a flashy Tloc spell would be something that visibly moves everything away from you, as in a pressure wave emanating from you 14:54:27 but we already have Dispersal 14:54:45 replacing dispersal with something more fun to use might be good 14:54:46 how about you generate illusions, and you can at-will switch to another illusion in view 14:54:53 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:29 bugger. I just got myself stupid killed. 14:55:29 the problem with dispersal is (a) teleporting monsters away isn't much fun if you want to kill them and (b) it only affects adjacent monsters, and you don't really want many monsters adjacent in the first place 14:55:30 Zannick: transcending on the notion of "tloc", but would be strong, yes 14:55:38 could deal damage if you push things into walls 14:55:59 if you push things into portals/lava/water 14:56:17 With dispersal, where do the monsters end up? 14:56:22 ??dispersal 14:56:22 dispersal[1/2]: Spell: All monsters that are adjacent to you will be instantly teleported away if they don't resist (via magic resistance). If a monster does resist, it will be blinked instead (even if it's immune!). 14:56:25 seems like something a fedhas follower would love. 14:56:59 moving monsters around is potentially incredibly strong 14:58:18 elliptic: yes 14:58:53 something that has to be implemented with extreme caution... which makes it harder to make it flashy 14:59:04 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:30 elliptic: although teleporting away sounds more like emergency use than a tactical effect. The pressure wave I suggested could send monsters in view away from the caster (on the straight line player-monster), including damage from bumping and sending into water/lava. 14:59:45 I am looking for a high level Tloc spell here. 15:00:33 my point was that teleporting monsters away is not really very much fun 15:00:58 "teleporting" as in "any monster movement", or in "teleporting them out of LOS"? 15:01:03 i like my "you exist in multiple places at once" idea 15:01:04 out of LOS 15:01:14 along the lines of blinking stuff away how about a tornado-like blink storm. The closer to the center the more likely they are to get lobbed back 15:01:16 I agree. 15:01:31 elliptic: it depends. If you could walk into Zot and repel all the mobs it might be good fun 15:01:37 bh: a high level spell should be reliable. 15:01:56 Er 15:02:00 bh: off screen stuff is generally much less fun than on screen stuff 15:02:00 dpeg: anyway this "pressure wave" or whatever sounds sort of ridiculously good if it guarantees moving monster multiple squares away 15:02:08 It's really hard for high level spells to be reliable 15:02:13 elliptic: yes, it's probably too strong as promised 15:02:29 dpeg: sure. "If it's next to you, it's blinked with 95% probability. It's it's 1 square away it's blinked with 80%..." 15:02:39 That's reliable in my book. 15:03:04 IMO L8/9 spells shouldn't have any chance of fizzling and doing nothing 15:03:31 elliptic: They often do, though, when they're miscast 15:03:50 dtsund: of course I mean when they aren't miscast 15:03:54 dtsund: it's about the spell effect 15:15:17 a long time ago i suggested a tloc spell called 'Drop' which just targets a given area and warps space such that any enemies caught in the radius are considered 'falling through the air' and can't move anywhere until the spell expires and they hit the ground and take damage, flying enemies immune 15:15:47 dunno if that's any good :P 15:16:30 Mu_: cool concept but hard to visualise 15:17:03 so it is a mass paralysis spell that also does some damage? 15:17:10 no not paralysis 15:17:24 they'd be able to cast spells or use ranged attacks because they're just falling through the air 15:17:39 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:34 also no stabbing 15:18:51 paralysis for orb guardians 15:18:54 maybe you wouldn't even be able to melee them :p 15:20:10 @??orb guardian 15:20:10 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 59-103 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 3899 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 15:21:00 orb guardians are just boring bags of hp with literally no resists i think spellcasters already have their pick of ways to handle them dude 15:21:33 !lg * t place=zot:5 s=ckiller 15:21:34 26 games for * (t place=zot:5): 11x an Orb Guardian, 7x an orb of fire, 3x an ancient lich, a death drake, a hell beast, an electric golem, a player ghost, an ice dragon 15:21:41 -!- hoyt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:47 boring very strong bags of hp 15:21:52 that keep going berserk thanks to moths 15:21:52 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:57 my spellcasters certainly wish they had ways of stopping berserk orb guardians 15:22:07 there are like 100000x as many orb guardians as any other thing in that list 15:22:14 in zot 15:22:32 anyway orb guardian was just an example 15:22:37 how about melee pan lords 15:22:42 ok so now it's orb guarding plus a moth 15:22:47 don't pan lords all fly 15:22:51 no 15:22:55 this was an old suggestion anyway btw 15:23:23 melee pan lords are pretty lame, also :P 15:23:27 anyway my point is just that preventing monsters from moving is strong :P 15:23:53 is it really any stronger than any other high level spell 15:24:02 Do Pan lords have fixed weight? 15:24:14 weight? 15:24:32 i guess they're all the same size so probably? 15:25:26 monsters have a weight 15:26:04 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:09 For the pressure wave thing I'd use spell powers vs weight -- if Pan lords are as heavy as orb guardians, that solves that one right there (and makes the spell useful but situational, which is good) 15:26:27 @??pandemonium lord 15:26:27 pandemonium lord (09&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 24 | HP: 109-243 | AC/EV: 14/14 | Dam: 41 | 05demonic, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7337 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 15:26:43 dpeg: using weight seems bad to me compared with using size 15:26:51 ok, Large sounds good, too 15:27:04 @??lich 15:27:04 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 59-99 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(293), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4059 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), cryst.. 15:27:20 sizeless 15:27:33 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 59-99 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(293), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4059 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d24), greater demon, banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (8d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:27:33 %??lich 15:27:35 i think only monsters with corpses have mass, also 15:28:01 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 15:28:24 fwiw I don't much like using monster size as a gameplay mechanic either, but since we are already doing so in a couple of places we might as well continue 15:28:44 is trj still 15:28:47 @??the royal jelly 15:28:47 royal jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(196), 03poison, 08acid, asphyx | XP: 15000 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 15:29:07 @??acid blob 15:29:07 acid blob (11J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 18 | HP: 76-122 | AC/EV: 1/3 | Dam: 4208(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 03poison, 08acid, asphyx | XP: 3379 | Sp: acid splash (3d7+7d5) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 15:29:19 i thought trj was tiny for some reason :P 15:29:20 those are small, really? 15:29:25 yeah 15:29:38 @??azure jelly 15:29:38 azure jelly (12J) | Spd: 11 | HD: 15 | HP: 59-103 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | 04eats items, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 08acid, asphyx | Vul: 04fire | XP: 2141 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 15:29:51 this is why I don't like size, it is only used in a handful of places and it doesn't necessarily make much sense outside of those places 15:30:06 The royal jelly should be a bit bigger than the others because it can spawn off stuff. 15:30:16 elliptic: but often more accessible than HD. 15:31:19 it's easier to guess which of two monsters has higher HD than to guess which is larger, IMO 15:31:28 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 11437 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), polymorph other, fireball (3d43) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 15:31:28 %??orb of fire 15:31:32 spriggan (15i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 7 | HP: 15-28 | AC/EV: 1/20 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(65) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 307 | Sz: little | Int: high. 15:31:32 %??spriggan 15:31:39 hands up who would have guessed an oof is as large as a spriggan and did not already know that 15:31:58 I would have guessed it was medium size 15:32:06 well they don't have a body or anything 15:32:27 now, which is larger: lom lobon or cerebov? 15:32:29 dpeg: Quick, if there's a high level tloc experimental spell you want tell me so I can implement it :) 15:32:52 cere...? :P 15:33:06 Mu_: yes. 15:33:19 bh: do you know about Reverse Alchemy? 15:33:29 dpeg: gold into lead? 15:33:31 cere should be bigger than everything imo. size: Cerebov. 15:33:33 plus damage 15:33:41 bh: it's Tmut/Con, no Tloc 15:34:15 cang (04Ω) | Spd: c | HD: i | HP: 666 | AC/EV: e/π | Dam: 999 | Res: sanity | XP: ∞ | Int: god | Sz: !!! 15:34:15 %??cang 15:34:16 bh: also, I would suggest to not code spells until you've talked to one of elliptic, kilobyte, galehar, MarvinPA (probably forgetting someone -- I don't count). 15:34:22 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:58 bh: Alchemy: lead + energy => gold. Reverse Alchemy: gold => lead + energy. 15:35:09 bh: I think some version of pushing/blinking monsters around is worth testing if you are interested in that, but getting the details right will be tricky I think 15:35:34 what's cang a reference to btw 15:35:43 ??cang 15:35:44 cang[1/2]: cang 15:35:44 cang 15:35:56 (I don't think anyone knows) 15:36:39 i remember there was a time before cang 15:36:43 and then one day there was cang 15:37:12 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:37:13 elliptic: sure, I'll take a stab at it 15:37:29 (and yeah i have either completely forgotten or never knew where it came from) 15:38:34 dpeg: by what formula would you covert $ -> oomph? 15:39:01 spells taking gold as input sounds weird 15:39:03 seems more a card/god thing 15:39:22 elliott: Zin or Nemelex 15:39:56 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 15:41:15 elliott: there was support for spells using compounds, only that spells using potion or corpses are cumbersome. Gold wouldn't be a cumbersome ingredient. 15:41:23 fair enough 15:41:48 for example, most people love the stone and stick spells 15:41:54 ??repulsion 15:41:54 I don't have a page labeled repulsion in my learndb. 15:42:32 I wouldn't say most people love sticks to snakes, but that may just be because it is a summon 15:43:11 I may be misjudging. 15:43:28 I did read positive reports by players who used it, at least. 15:43:30 it would also help a ton if you didn't have to wield the ingredient 15:44:23 my favourite spell in the game is simulacrum 15:44:35 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:44:50 sticks to snakes should prompt for which stick you want to use, and sandblast... maybe should just always use a stone if you are carrying one 15:45:01 elliptic: but the rocks 15:45:04 though that's not great at XL 1 when you are low on stones 15:45:14 dpeg: ? 15:45:40 rocks can be quivered, at least 15:45:53 elliptic: I was momentarily thinking that you can use large rocks with Sandblast. 15:46:07 you can, if you are ogre/troll 15:46:07 you can if you can wield them, yeah 15:46:34 alright, then that's a reason in favour of Quiver rather than prompt, imo 15:46:40 (or automatic use) 15:47:04 using quiver sounds weird and doesn't work with sticks to snakes 15:47:19 -!- marcmagus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:44 wielding also costs turns 15:47:46 basically I just don't feel like casting a spell should involve three separate actions (wield ingredient, cast, wield normal weapon) 15:47:59 elliptic: that's why I suggest the quiver :O 15:48:29 still three actions, no? 15:48:29 if you have something else to quiver 15:48:29 disallow large rocks from sandblast and autouse stones? 15:48:29 a conditional at least 15:48:38 ghallberg: early on, you may want to conserve stones 15:48:44 -!- the_glow has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:48:48 dropping stones to sandblast cheaply at xl 1 is *ugh* 15:48:53 (not a very pressing reason, could be ignored) 15:49:02 elliott: well it could just not be castable without them 15:49:09 i guess 15:49:09 -!- Akett has quit [Client Quit] 15:49:13 but yeah, it makes XL 1 EE sort of bad 15:49:23 don't you think it is more interesting to have the choice though 15:49:24 I didn't realize you could cast it without stones... 15:49:28 of whether an enemy is tough enough to bother using stones 15:49:34 would be pretty unpleasant if you could just run out of your xl1 spell as an EE, yeah 15:49:35 wrt conserving them 15:49:51 give EEs another spell? 15:50:03 elliott: well sandblast with no stones is really awful, it is just better than 0 skill unarmed 15:50:03 i certainly like that choice on sling bullets/stones 15:50:15 elliptic: well really awful is pretty good for xl 1 15:50:20 against a rat 15:50:55 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:40 for sticks to snakes at least I think prompt would be pretty clearly better than the current situation 15:52:03 I agree sandblast is not so simple to change 15:52:30 elliptic: agreed 15:52:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:53:41 S2S works with arrows, right? 15:53:51 yes 15:54:22 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:54:28 So it'd be good if casting S2S with quivered arrows just uses one. The quiver is always good to use for stackable ingredients: you can see them before the casting, and change easily with () 15:55:06 The crucial point is that ingredient choice is decoupled from casting. 15:55:17 no, using quiver is bad 15:55:33 because it also works with lots of non-arrow ingredients 15:55:34 What's the scale on pow? 1-200? 15:55:44 and it really doesn't make much sense to quiver a quarterstaff 15:56:12 dpeg: what I am suggesting is precisely that it shouldn't be decoupled from casting... I think we disagree :) 15:56:21 I feel like mentioning something about the talk re: high level tloc spells. Translocations (and charms) don't really need high level spells, since they are full of "utility" stuff. If you're casting in heavy armour, you have a reason to train these schools to a high level 15:56:21 evilmike: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:56:21 evilmike: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:56:21 I have done my share for Crawl's interface, now it's your turn. :) 15:56:28 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:34 I'm not against adding some flashy high level thing, but I just think these two schools aren't in much need 15:56:46 evilmike: valid point 15:56:49 elliptic: I think all of the non-arrows used with S2S are non-stackable anyway 15:56:51 one school that I think is quite lacking is poison magic 15:57:00 dtsund: yes? 15:57:14 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:22 So it wouldn't matter that you could only limit arrows to one by the use of the quiver 15:57:45 (I would object to that solution on the basis of obscurity, though.) 15:58:29 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:38 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:33 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 16:03:26 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:36 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 16:06:10 huh. Here's an idea for the Abyss. Any Doctor Who fans out there? 16:06:43 Imagine a room that's bigger on the inside than on the outside. 16:07:10 bh: That is weird 16:07:17 I was just listening to the Doctor Who theme :P 16:07:19 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:07:20 greensnark: I think that's the plan 16:07:21 ah :) 16:07:30 bh: has to be a small room to make the effect easily visible 16:07:37 greensnark: You should sweep your home for bugs. 16:07:47 :) 16:07:53 dpeg: definitely. 16:08:05 greensnark: no tournament games? 16:08:15 greensnark: I watched Beetlejuice a few nights back 16:08:29 dpeg: I've played a few, badly 16:08:33 i once had an idea for a portal branch where you'd walk in circles around a pillar to get to the end 16:08:37 Erik is playing like a madman. A nice :) 16:08:38 eg a tower 16:08:57 !lg haranp 16:08:58 159. haranp the Magician (L4 DsWz), slain by an orc priest (a +0,+1 orcish hand axe) on D:3 on 2012-10-26, with 254 points after 3245 turns and 0:15:12. 16:09:03 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:09:04 oh! 16:09:14 -!- marcmagus has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:09:15 we got him to play one game, apparently :) 16:09:17 dpeg: our team is awesome. We couldn't get enne to join though 16:09:28 I am in no team :( 16:09:37 team dpeg 16:09:44 bh: I was thinking about what The Doctor would be like as a Magic card, just yesterday... 16:10:53 Zannick: I bet the tower code would be identical'ish to the "room that's bigger on the inside" code 16:11:12 perhaps 16:11:24 i didn't make any attempt at coding it up 16:11:36 It's essentially some tiles that flip the layout when you traverse them in one direction and... don't exist when you traverse it in another 16:11:39 Nebulus anyone? 16:11:47 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:48 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:13:55 -!- ChongLi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:06 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:16:21 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:20:32 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:55 -!- namad7 has quit [Client Quit] 16:26:01 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: mde] 16:31:00 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:05 -!- knaveightt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:32:11 -!- Skid has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33:27 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:37:37 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 16:37:48 I am in no team :( 16:37:54 hoo, sorry 16:39:39 -!- voxxik_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:54 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:23 -!- Beneather has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:42:54 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:42:55 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 16:42:59 -!- voxxik has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:43:51 -!- rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:46:01 -!- Froggeryz has quit [] 16:50:30 -!- voxxik_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:53:32 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:59 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:54:23 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 16:57:34 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:01:04 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:34 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:35 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 17:04:52 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:23 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:51 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:08:59 -!- Tecq has quit [Client Quit] 17:10:28 -!- nmf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:11:05 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:43 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:21:21 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 17:23:48 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:25:28 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27:56 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:29:53 -!- Alucard_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:32:56 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:40:17 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 17:52:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:24 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:57:42 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:02:52 -!- voxxik has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:55 -!- Ryven has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:10:45 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:14:30 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 18:15:20 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:22:07 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:22:53 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:23:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:23:30 -!- Ashenden has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:23:38 -!- Guest42069 has quit [] 18:24:38 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 18:27:07 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:29 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:29:04 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 18:29:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:30:10 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:08 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:03 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:39:07 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:16 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:24 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:58:12 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:04:16 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 19:07:05 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:39 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:09:47 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:36 -!- knaveightt has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:11:29 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:11:44 -!- qpzil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:36 elliptic: do you get tourney points for pacifying uniques? 19:17:41 no 19:17:45 :( 19:18:17 nor banishing, i think 19:18:44 -!- whog has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:50 clearly there should be a banner for pacifying all the hell/pan lords 19:20:02 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:02 banner of impossibility 19:20:25 how impossible is it? hardcoded? 19:20:30 Is it even possible to pacify ANY of them now that Eresh has more hp? 19:20:41 eresh is still possible 19:20:48 Ereshkigal (16&) | Spd: 14 | HD: 18 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/30 | Dam: 4013(drain) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(240), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), silence, greater demon, torment symbol, paralyse, major healing | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:20:48 %?? ereshkigal 19:20:48 you need a wand and patience though 19:21:03 i think lom is possible too 19:21:18 lom self-pacify 19:21:39 maybe mnoleg also? I forget... but certainly not cerebov or antaeus, they just have too high HP 19:21:53 Mnoleg and Gloorx have the same HP as Eresh, now 19:22:01 heh, 700 hp on antaeus 19:22:05 yeah, that's a bit high 19:22:29 btw i think it should be theoretically possible to pacify anything in the game with 27 invo and greater healing :( 19:22:34 just really unlikely 19:22:36 (but it isn't) 19:22:45 Simple solution. Make the banner for getting Antaeus and Cerebov killed by the other lords after you pacify them :P 19:23:06 i pacified ancient liches and orb guardians and basically anything in zot:5 besides orbs and golems 19:23:17 last time i went ely 19:40:39 -!- wasd223 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:03 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:44:49 -!- Ruby has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:46:54 -!- chexuma has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:51:56 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:48 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:58:32 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:02:24 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:02:50 -!- randumb has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:03:12 -!- Taynav has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:29 -!- Taynav has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:57 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:25 -!- localhost_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:34 -!- Ian_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:23 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:56 -!- Sapz has quit [] 20:20:23 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:28:47 -!- Taynav has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:35:13 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:42 -!- Guest42069 has quit [] 20:38:16 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:38:44 -!- SpAr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:41:44 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 20:46:15 -!- rkd has quit [] 20:56:17 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:58:48 -!- zenzei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:09 -!- Ashenden_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:58 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:01:02 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:14 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:05:26 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08:55 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Quit: SurpriseTRex_] 21:11:53 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:12:39 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:10 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:20:24 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 21:21:08 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 21:22:05 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:25 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 21:28:08 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:31:45 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:37:44 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:56 evidently the "shove everyone back" spell I implemented is too powerful. 21:38:04 I walked into Zot naked and took the orb without fighting anything 21:38:28 How far was it shoving things back? O.o 21:41:32 DracoOmega: it was casting 'blink away' on everything in LOS once per turn 21:42:14 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 21:42:36 Once per TURN? 21:42:40 On its own? 21:43:00 yeah... 21:43:14 set it and forget it 21:43:47 Blink away on everything in LOS would be quite powerful even if it only happened once 21:44:16 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:34 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:45:52 i 21:45:59 is this supposed to be a player spell or a monster spell 21:46:05 or just goofing around 21:46:21 monqy: player spell. L8 Translocation 21:46:32 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:56 so dispersal but crazy? 21:47:16 yep 21:49:28 do you have any other ideas for high level tlocs? 21:52:58 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:54:59 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:55:09 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 21:55:53 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:55:55 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:56:41 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:58:29 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:02:34 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:04:58 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:08:26 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:41 -!- Ashenden_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:06 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:18:30 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 22:26:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:46 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:29:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:40 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 22:31:23 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:39 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:35:34 -!- helloteam has quit [] 22:37:17 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:54 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:42:15 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:42:15 -!- BirdoPrey_ is now known as BirdoPrey 22:46:54 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:46:54 -!- BirdoPrey_ is now known as BirdoPrey 22:47:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:04 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:57 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 23:01:56 -!- chexuma has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:02:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:43 -!- Senri has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10:12 -!- Tijol has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:11:44 -!- Truefire has quit [Client Quit] 23:19:59 -!- Tijol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:24:45 -!- eb has quit [] 23:26:26 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 23:30:53 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:34:54 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 23:36:10 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:37:13 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Quit: hagb4rd] 23:37:25 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:40 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:57:17 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev