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LordSloth at Tue Oct 23 17:08:13 2012 UTC (18h 15m 4s ago) quitting with message Remote host closed the connection. 06:23:17 I last saw LordSloth at Tue Oct 23 16:36:24 2012 UTC (18h 46m 53s ago) saying Who has the biggest streak so far this tourney? on ##crawl. 06:25:00 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 06:35:39 The Ctrl-O screen has a line I've not seen before: 06:35:41 Dungeon: Abyss**** 06:35:45 What does it mean? 06:37:12 portals to the Abyss 06:37:27 er, the other way... now that's a bug 06:37:36 not average user recommendations? :( 06:37:45 -!- datgum has quit [] 06:37:51 you need to go more social web with DCSS 06:39:54 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:40:36 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:12 bhaak: ? 06:41:39 kilobyte: portals to the abyss are listed as they should be: Abyss: D:22 D:25 Vaults:1 06:42:02 "Dungeon: Abyss****" looks like "n users gave Abyss an average rating of 4 out of 5 stars" 06:44:01 ah :) 06:44:09 -!- Grildrak has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:44:14 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 06:45:01 Read through the SA backlog yesterday (it's open again). Lots of dpeg bashing (spider god drama) but the best piece was this: "I love Crawl, I hate the devs." Gotta <3 that :) 06:45:31 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:46:18 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:47:19 crawl magically grows itself with no dev input, obviously :P 06:49:10 MarvinPA: yes, and producing something of decent quality even, it seems 06:53:34 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:14 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:27 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:13:22 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:15:54 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16:06 HOGE (L2 VpNe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:1) 07:24:00 anyone else having problems entering like "\{13}" with chrome in webtiles? works fine with firefox last I checked (0.10) or is it a bug with 0.11? 07:24:16 for macro editing 07:27:35 -!- dpeg has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:29:21 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:15 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12-a0-907-g6d09b09 07:30:15 <|amethyst> %??-version 07:30:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte: thanks 07:38:05 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:14 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:42:30 -!- Rewans has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:45:19 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:48:36 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 07:49:16 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:07 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:37 -!- SatanicMechanic has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 08:00:18 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:40 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 08:05:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:06:15 -!- inde has quit [] 08:07:31 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 08:08:23 -!- VG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:13:48 -!- Zicher has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:18:47 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:07 -!- Kaput has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:36:56 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:42:20 cosh: which keyboard layout? what's the problem exactly -- the \ ? 08:42:25 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:42:36 the '\' as well as the '{' 08:42:39 found a work around tho 08:42:46 somehow %5 equals enter 08:42:48 not sure why tho 08:43:07 german qwertz keyboard 08:43:16 suspected that 08:43:30 there seems to be a problem with altgr on chrome on windows 08:43:53 yea that makes sense, also tried altgr+043 to no avail 08:44:00 altgr doesn't work at all in chrome then 08:44:01 ? 08:44:26 well nvm that, it works in the url-bar...just not in webtiles :p 08:45:45 yes, it's the key capturing that doesn't work for some reason 08:46:22 damn chrome :) 08:46:23 but at least \ and { are rarely needed 08:46:32 only for my macros :( 08:46:35 brb! 08:46:36 -!- cosh has quit [] 08:46:43 <|amethyst> \ is autopickup toggle, too 08:46:47 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:48 ah, right 08:51:09 <|amethyst> I think I saw a suggestion to move that to / anyway 08:51:40 |amethyst: but that's worse for US layouts 08:52:43 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman|meeting 08:52:55 / is just to the left of shift on US layouts, isn't it? 08:53:31 it doesn't need Shift in any case 08:53:39 <|amethyst> yeah, / requires less stretching to type than \... but it isn't next to {} 08:54:05 sorry, I take it back... / is easier than \ on US 08:54:32 I have \ to the left of enter here. 08:54:32 or as easy... whereas on a German keyboard, \{[]}| are all annoying keys 08:54:36 Not sure where it is on US layouts. 08:55:13 <|amethyst> elliott: one of two different places, but on modern keyboards usually below backspace and above enter (which is rectangular) 08:55:37 <|amethyst> on older keyboards with a J-shaped enter key, backslash is to the left of backspace (which is single-width) 08:56:04 -!- fdel has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:56:18 -!- Nexos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:42 this matches pretty much every US keyboard i've used in the past decade or so: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:KB_United_States-NoAltGr.svg&page=1 08:56:48 * elliott has an upside-down J enter key -- the standard on British keyboards AIUI 08:57:13 <|amethyst> ColdPie: yeah, that's what I meant by "modern" 08:57:21 this is the older J layout |amethyst was talking about, don't see it often these days: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Qwerty.svg&page=1 08:57:25 I never understood why the Enter key has become so small over time 08:58:28 same for Space: there are two Windows keys, and I never used one in my life 08:58:44 windows keys are useful to hang an extra modifier off 08:58:46 <|amethyst> dpeg: with wysiwyg text editors you only press enter at the end of the paragraph :P 08:58:51 not so much for what Windows uses them for 08:58:58 <|amethyst> dpeg: I'm being facetious, but that could well be part of it 08:59:46 |amethyst: I am writing Latex, which may count as a sort of coding, and I am very happy unhappy with keyboard layouts (the German one is really bad -- I have colleagues who uses US layout on a German board) 08:59:51 <|amethyst> I use the Windows and Menu keys for Super (window manager shortcuts, launchers, etc), Compose, and Hyper (Emacs bindings, but I don't use emacs so much these days) 09:00:01 and I need Enter all the time :) 09:00:32 technically TeX is turing complete I believe 09:00:47 is that good or bad? :) 09:00:48 dpeg: using the us layout is the only sensible thing for latex. exchanging z and y is the hard part 09:01:12 * elliott uses a US layout configuration on a UK keyboard because I'm used to # being on shift-3 and @ being on shift-2 and " being on shift-'; 09:01:15 <|amethyst> dpeg: at least you don't have to worry about ISO 646 anymore 09:01:20 <|amethyst> trigraphs and all that 09:01:30 dpeg: turing complete is good for a programming language, of dubious value for a typesetting language :p 09:01:48 though I think a lot of the LaTeX packages do fancy stuff that require some kind of elaborate programming capability 09:02:07 -!- Maximus_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:02:07 <|amethyst> you sometimes (rarely now though) still see Japanese users with as their Windows path separator 09:02:11 |amethyst: modern users use enter every time they put something into the search textfield on google ... or they reach for the mouse and hit "Search" :-) 09:02:25 I've got a german keyboard with swedish layout... 09:02:42 bhaak: suspect moreso the latter 09:03:18 elliott: latex is intellectually nothing near a progamming language, no question about that. But you're entering stuff into an editor (unlike wysiwyg) and there are commands... with a healthy dose of \ and { and } 09:03:26 * dpeg sacrifies the AltGr key to Trog. 09:04:06 <|amethyst> dpeg: get a US keyboard, plug them both in :P 09:04:44 dpeg: you've never endured pain until you tried to do latex on mac with a swiss german layout. if you're lucky, you can get by with 4 keys pressed for something like } 09:04:56 <|amethyst> the only non-US layout I've spent much time on was Spanish 09:05:05 i thought dpeg is hardcore enough for using das keyboard 09:05:22 das keyboard :( 09:05:51 bhaak: well, the problem starts right there with "mac". Throw away the rotten apple! 09:06:11 Es muss natrlich Tastenbrett heien. 09:06:46 dpeg: ofc it wasn't me who used the swissgerman layout :) 09:07:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Das_Keyboard_closeup.jpg 09:07:52 <|amethyst> hm, google image search for 'US keyboard backslash enter key' gives me a white supremacist site on page 2 09:08:06 bhaak: for our blind typists? I'm not blind yet, only very short-sighted! 09:08:12 keyboard_nerd.jpeg http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.daskeyboard.com/images/products/features/260x188xforce-diagram-click.png.pagespeed.ic.j6rpMlsFEP.png 09:08:43 <|amethyst> oh, it's the site of an anti-white-supremacy guy, sorry... it had the "Stormfront" logo 09:10:14 dpeg: there are blind typists and then there are blind typing typists :) 09:10:15 US keyboard supremacy site 09:10:24 Crawl commands are designed for US layouts. For example, the menu style drop uses ' and . which are convenient for US but a bit less so for others. 09:10:58 don't forget vikeys 09:11:13 elliott: cannot use them in inventory mode though :) 09:11:17 crawl would probably be better off using physical key positions rather than the characters themselves, but that's hard on console 09:11:21 dpeg: FR 09:11:27 dpeg: clearly should ban hjklyubn as inventory letters 09:11:56 elliott: also, nobody here is forgetting vikeys. I am sure I speak for everyone: every morning we get up, the first thought is: "VIKEYS!" 09:12:13 and then you burn a numpad 09:12:54 Yes! 09:12:58 elliptic: on a player's page, the bottom banner says "0.10" 09:14:01 we don't need two sets of arrows 09:14:20 the new-fangled grey ones are an abomination, so is NumLock 09:14:36 dpeg: oh, I've made my peace with numpad users... my true enemies are those who use the cursor keys and the number row for diagonals 09:14:36 yes, they exist! 09:14:38 "new-fangled" as in ~28 years new crap 09:15:11 elliptic: on a player's page, the bottom banner says "0.10" 09:15:13 not here it doesn't 09:15:18 maybe you have http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/images/banner_footer1.png cached? 09:15:49 i'm not sure if i'm completely over the issue with the wrongly positioned ctrl key 09:17:30 elliott: yeah... 09:18:05 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:23 only an issue for those who accessed the tourney website before it went public I think 09:23:01 suppression currently doesn't work on monsters -- should new jewellery/etc. effects that are added be coded to respect suppression when monsters use them, or should everything be left consistently unsuppressed until that's done? 09:25:51 I can't think of any single reason suppression shouldn't work on monsters 09:26:56 -!- dpeg is now known as dpegaway 09:28:12 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:28:15 <|amethyst> I think the reason is just that Wensley didn't get it working yet 09:28:25 <|amethyst> ??suppression todo 09:28:26 I don't have a page labeled suppression_todo in my learndb. 09:28:28 <|amethyst> ??suppression 09:28:28 suppression[1/2]: While under this effect, all of your magical items are reduced to their mundane counterparts. Magical staves act as nonmagical lengths of wood; magical swords act as nonmagical (but sharp!) hunks of metal; magical armors act as nonmagical strips of leather and hide. 09:28:29 <|amethyst> ??suppression[2] 09:28:29 suppression[2/2]: Suppression blocks all worn and wielded magical item properties (resists, brands, etc.), as well as the evocation of magical items. The base properties of weapons and armor (dam, AC, etc.) are unaffected. Effects that occur when items are equipped/unequipped (vampirism, distortion) happen as usual. 09:28:33 <|amethyst> hm 09:28:39 <|amethyst> ??supmoth 09:28:39 suppression[1/2]: While under this effect, all of your magical items are reduced to their mundane counterparts. Magical staves act as nonmagical lengths of wood; magical swords act as nonmagical (but sharp!) hunks of metal; magical armors act as nonmagical strips of leather and hide. 09:30:03 btw what does it take to update the learndb on CDO? it's like 3 months out of date: http://crawl.develz.org/learndb/index.html 09:30:21 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:26 sorry, got disconnected 09:30:30 kilobyte: it just hasn't been implemented yet 09:30:42 ColdPie: needs henzell to be fully back 09:30:56 <|amethyst> ??test 09:30:56 test[1/28]: see {summon butterflies[5]} 09:31:22 ??summon butterflies[5] 09:31:23 I don't have a page labeled summon_butterflies[5] in my learndb. 09:31:24 ??summon butterflies[4] 09:31:24 summon butterflies[4/4]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 09:31:33 !learn edit test[1] s/5/4/ 09:31:34 test[1/28]: see {summon butterflies[4]} 09:32:21 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:13 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:37:42 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:37 kilobyte: i'm pretty sure it says 0.11 there, how old is your image cache? 09:43:41 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:46:44 -!- dosman|meeting is now known as dosman711 09:52:08 -!- hagb4rd|afk has quit [Quit: hagb4rd|afk] 10:07:14 bh: current stress tests tend to break on ASSERT(env.cloud_no == 0) in the abyss a lot. Did you rework these areas on your branch, or should I investigate? 10:09:51 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:11:21 dpegaway: "Your demon whip of chaos [coughs|swears|yawns][| loudly| noisily]." 10:11:56 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:04 feature 10:19:06 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:32 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:33:54 -!- jarvjarv has quit [Client Quit] 10:37:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:38:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:34 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:16 -!- SlyShy has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:45:33 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:46:56 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:48:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 10:49:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:51:32 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 10:52:13 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:54:52 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:54:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:37 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00:08 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:48 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:28 -!- SlyShy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:53 -!- SlyShy1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:08:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:31 -!- domiryuu has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:31 -!- pantaril has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:31 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:31 -!- blueDave has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:31 -!- Morokiane has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:32 -!- buki has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:32 -!- rphillips has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:32 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:41 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:31 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 11:11:17 -!- Lawman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:25:13 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:56 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 11:42:03 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:48:22 -!- cosh has quit [] 11:50:12 -!- Nexos has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:51:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:14 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:31 -!- erisdiscordia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:59:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:49 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:05:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:38 dummy (L27 OgSk) (Pan) 12:13:26 -!- Grildrak has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14:58 -!- znarf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15:08 -!- were has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:53 -!- znarf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:39 -!- znarf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:47 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:19 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:48:09 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 12:49:57 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:52:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:08 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52:59 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-908-g76d15f9: Fix Contam-on-unwield having no effect most of the time 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/76d15f9a0ae9 12:53:24 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:56:16 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:03:06 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:06:23 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:48 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:11:20 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28:35 Random, unavoidable death in the Abyss (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6334) by TwilightPhoenix 13:29:30 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:33 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:52 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:39:17 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:02 -!- Homard has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48:17 -!- morgant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:56:01 -!- whitingjp has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:59:15 -!- piss has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:42 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:33 -!- Implojin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:08:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 14:14:02 -!- dpegaway is now known as dpeg 14:14:40 kilobyte: re the coughing demon whip: do you consider this as a bug? 14:15:19 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:52 dpeg: i presume the problem was that it displayed the randomisation directives as an in-game message 14:18:32 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:21:29 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:21:30 dpeg: what elliott said 14:22:08 heck 14:23:09 I am extremely tired right now, will test a bit later tonight. 14:28:08 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:28:35 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:28:59 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 14:29:00 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:13 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:33:40 -!- Tally has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:35 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 14:41:41 -!- heteroy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:18 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:42:20 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 14:42:21 -!- domiryuu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:34 -!- codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:48:05 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:48:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:51:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:29 -!- Miron has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:04:43 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:18:43 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:40:15 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:37 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:54 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48:42 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:35 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:50:12 -!- dolanpawbear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:05 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:07 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:53:53 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 15:54:46 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:55:26 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 15:55:43 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space] 16:02:06 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 16:02:31 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 16:02:54 Napkin: Wer hat die schne Putty-Dokumentation auf CDO geschrieben? 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17:44:15 I'm trying to figure out the simplest way to fix a bug with the interaction of tentacle movement and attacking, and I'm wondering now if the simpliest solution is just to make them faster 17:46:05 Because currently, due to the vagueries of the energy system running in the background, despite the tentacles being effectively something like speed 18, every now and again you'll be able to kite them for quite a while without them ever attempting to hit you 17:46:18 Starspawn ones, I mean. Not kraken. 17:46:42 Well, kraken ones will suffer similar issues issues, but in some ways I think it's less important 17:46:51 DracoOmega: sorry, cannot help 17:47:48 What is happening, as far as I can tell, is due to tentacle repositioning being done by the head. The tentacles are technically stationary. So if energy gets randomized in the right way, what happens is: 17:48:00 1) Tentacle gets its turn, but is not next to you. It passes. 17:48:12 2) Tentacle gets moved next to you by the head, but it now doesn't have enough energy to do anything. 17:48:24 3) You move just before it would get enough energy to do something. Cycle repeats 17:52:18 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:53:13 Maybe most of this could be effectively brushed over by just making their non-move energy costs really low? 17:54:48 DracoOmega: you will have to wait for someone competent, sorry :( 17:55:11 maybe best to copypaste all of this to the forum or mantis -- it will be read 17:55:33 I'm honestly not sure anyone actively around is more familiar with the tentacle code than me at this point >.> 17:56:04 not sure there are any monster energy experts on tavern :p 17:56:13 maybe crd? 17:56:18 you will find lots of experts 17:56:31 Well, this is a tentacle-specific problem, given that they move in a way that - as far as I can tell - is unique among all monsters 17:56:32 just not the kind you were looking for probably 17:57:05 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:57:29 It's just more noticable for tentacled starspawn, since the whole point of those tentacles is to catch fleeing players. Which is kind of silly when they don't actually hit you despite being much faster than you 17:57:44 DracoOmega: maybe the heads should store the move to be done in the tentacle's number field and then they should use their actual energy to move? 17:57:51 or something 17:58:01 crd is better than forum 17:58:02 The number field is used to say which head they're attached to, currently 17:58:11 DracoOmega: bit packing!!! 17:58:16 And honestly? I don't want to have to touch the tentacle pathfinding code 17:58:19 Even after all this 17:58:32 Well, I did touch it at one or two points, but as little as possible! 17:59:36 Remember, tentacle movement didn't even USE anything approaching energy before I started poking at it 17:59:47 (It's still kind of a hacky solution, but that seemed more pragmatic) 18:01:53 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:35 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:06:46 Haha. Apparently wizmode blinking doesn't automatically get you out of constriction either :P 18:08:31 <|amethyst> xm should 18:08:41 <|amethyst> is that what you mean? 18:08:58 -!- Pingas_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:20 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:42 I was using &b 18:10:00 -!- joosa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:09 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 18:10:36 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:37 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:27 -!- voxxik__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:12:42 -!- Pingas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13:29 <|amethyst> ah, yeah, that's the same code as other blinking (it just ignores -cTele) 18:14:18 I suspected as much 18:15:43 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:11 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-910-g1a3657d: Ask before wearing or removing mutagenic armour and jewelry. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/1a3657d0cfe2 18:18:11 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-909-g2f4dabe: Make the abyss stress test bot use a more Xomly god. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/2f4dabe7e2c8 18:23:13 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:26:51 I still feel like this thing isn't nearly as credible a threat as I had expected, but am unsure how to amend that 18:26:53 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:27:24 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:28:07 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:09 -!- Pingas_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:27 -!- Pingas_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:29 -!- morgant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:32:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:33:41 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:29 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:35:25 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:57 -!- rkd has quit [] 18:43:31 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:47:57 -!- Ilirion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48:13 -!- Ilirion_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:49:10 -!- tweak_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:04 -!- whitingjp has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:59:22 You mangle the seraph!! The seraph is severely wounded. The seraph is healed somewhat. 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Starspawn tentacles can now pull you backwards if they're constricting you 21:25:16 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:54 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:35:07 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 21:39:15 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:40:18 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:45:40 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:11 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:40 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:47:10 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:48:09 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 21:54:05 bh: So tentacled starspawn basically exist now and are functional. They mostly need some tweaking, I think (and a bugfix or two) 21:54:14 DracoOmega: <3! 21:54:30 Experimentally, the tentacles will actually pull the player backwards when constricting 21:54:33 !11 really? 21:54:34 due: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:54:36 that is awesome <3 21:54:37 !messages 21:54:38 (1/3) kilobyte said (7w 3d 7h 44m 41s ago): could you help me remove secret doors from due_tower_of_silence? I'm not sure which ones should be normals, which runed (it appears to me that all), which should be removed. 21:54:38 (1/1) kilobyte said (19w 6d 10h 19m 31s ago): would you be sad if blessed toes fell off stairs and stubbed themselves on a knife, rose up, fell again, and that fourty times? (I mean, an accident...) 21:54:52 DracoOmega: that's so boss. 21:55:33 DracoOmega: is there a repo I can merge it in from? I'm going to be AWOL for the next week or so (moving) 21:55:49 Still a few things that need a little fixing first 21:55:59 But I'm getting close to a viable patch, I think 21:56:25 DracoOmega: hi i love you! <3 21:56:40 Hi! :) 21:57:53 I'm happy that the abyss won't be full of imps and other shitty monsters 21:58:03 Yeah 21:58:16 i wish i had more energy to actually do dev work for crawl awgain 21:58:22 but i am so horribly behind on things now :( 21:58:31 I'll probably work on another abyss monster after getting these two tidied up 21:58:43 Something nice and simple in comparison to this tentacled mess :P 21:58:50 :D 21:59:09 if you have spare ideas I'm happy to implement something else. It isn't abyssy, but wouldn't you like it if we had a Lobster? 21:59:18 What would it do? 21:59:32 snapping turtle of holding? 22:00:47 Hmmm... those professional deep trolls probably ought to be done at some point, too 22:01:09 DracoOmega: oh, that's the monster I was working on. 'Tilling Worm', it walks through the abyss stirring up the earth 22:01:29 Ah, yes. How did that work out in practice? 22:01:50 -!- piss has quit [Quit: fuck cops] 22:02:24 weird and creepy. I want to give it a 'shuffle the nearby terrain when I'm not moving' power 22:07:20 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-911-g599e823 22:12:08 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 22:15:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:16:58 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:26:55 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:28:20 -!- zenzei has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:28:57 ugh. I took a upward hatch and ended up in a vault surrounded by flame clouds 22:30:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:20 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:30:22 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 22:30:47 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:27 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 22:31:57 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:37:11 -!- athros has quit [Client Quit] 22:38:19 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:39:42 -!- animegra1pa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:40:44 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:59 -!- ZRN has quit [] 22:45:23 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:45:31 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50:30 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:25 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:26 -!- infiniplex has quit [Client Quit] 23:07:57 -!- infiniplex has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:05 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:30 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:17:53 bh: What is the third parameter for the ProceduralSample constructor (inception branch)? 23:17:54 infiniplex: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:18:13 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:18:53 I have a city-ish layout (not in Crawl code yet), but I don't know what to return for that parameter 23:19:05 !messages 23:19:05 No messages for infiniplex. 23:19:05 (1/1) kilobyte said (2w 2d 19h 6m 31s ago): I'm not telling you to drop everything and rewrite all the code; heck, this one is just hard to read, we have plenty of places that are that _and_ don't work in any sane manner. My concern was about picking techniques that produce code that can be read. 23:19:23 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:22:18 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:33 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:27:17 infiniplex: it's the changepoint. It's a lower bound estimate on when a feature might change 23:27:18 !tell bh What is the third parameter for the ProceduralSample constructor? I have a city-ish abyss layout for you, but I don;t know what to return. 23:27:18 infiniplex: OK, I'll let bh know. 23:27:18 infiniplex: OK, I'll let bh know. 23:27:34 Wenzell, Henzell, you've got a lot of explaining to do. 23:27:34 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:27:35 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:27:38 !messages 23:27:39 (1/1) infiniplex said (20s ago): What is the third parameter for the ProceduralSample constructor? I have a city-ish abyss layout for you, but I don;t know what to return. 23:27:39 (1/1) infiniplex said (21s ago): What is the third parameter for the ProceduralSample constructor? I have a city-ish abyss layout for you, but I don;t know what to return. 23:27:57 !tell Wenzell !tell Henzell !tell Wenzell w00t 23:27:57 bh: OK, I'll let Wenzell know. 23:27:57 bh: OK, I'll let Wenzell know. 23:27:57 Wenzell: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:28:25 If the layout doesn't change on its own, what do I put? 23:28:42 offset + large_value 23:28:57 I've been using 4096 because it's big, but you can use anything 23:29:25 I might add some code to occasionally dump the entire queue because it just keeps getting bigger. 23:29:48 infiniplex: I *really* appreciate it that you made a layout. That's super cool. Did my interfaces mostly make sense? 23:30:31 Actually, I made the layout just print a plaintext map and now am about to convert it. 23:30:48 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:30:58 I understood the first to parameters to return. The strudture looks fine to me. 23:31:57 that's a totally reasonable approach. Where do you store the map between calls? Can I see what it looks like? :) 23:31:58 If I were you, I would put Abyss in the class names somewhere to avoid potential conflicts. e.g. ColumnAbyssLayout 23:32:41 There is no sttored map. It generates it on a per-cell basis as needed. It is longer than yours (500+ lines) 23:33:44 Right now, the layout is on a differant computer and I am having trouble transfering it, so I can't show you. 23:34:02 oh, neat. I intentionally left Abyss out of the namespace. There's really no reason this can only be used in the abyss. *All* maps should be procedurally generated. Muahahaha... 23:34:29 It looks like the city layout, but with more frequent inner boxes and randomized floor and wall types 23:35:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:35:28 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:35:31 What about vaults? Otherwise, existing layouts are procedural, they are just structured iferantly. 23:36:00 Vaults are cool, they get a pass from me. 23:36:15 Then what isn't procedural? 23:37:16 I have a funny feeling he means 'independently evaluable at any given grid' 23:37:24 -!- Tijol has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:37:24 what DracoOmega said. 23:37:27 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:38:01 Which is a damn hard problem for any reasonably complex building-like map, of course 23:38:06 More complex formats are nearly impossible to specify that way. They are also much slower because data has to be recalculated. 23:39:06 -!- SlyShy2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:39:07 DracoOmega: but when you get it right, the results are beautiful. infiniplex: It just calls for caching strategies that are probably beyond the scope of anything crawl ever wants to do 23:39:58 If you cache it, it is not 'independently evaluable at any given grid' in any real sense. 23:40:00 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:40:12 Its just language trickery. 23:40:39 Right now, there is a big cache called thae map trhat everything uses. 23:41:07 -!- Shovelmint has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:42:24 The only real advantages I see to independent evaluation are infinite scope and scaleable detail, neither of which is much relevant to most of Crawl 23:42:48 infiniplex: They're inherently different. For example, particle deposition works by placing a particle with some inertia and then rolling it down hill. If you generated an n x n map using that technique and then said "What's at (n + m) x (n +m)?" you would arrive at a fundamentally different answer if you re-ran the algorithm 23:43:11 DracoOmega: http://i.imgur.com/dJmj9.png -- like my toy which I haven't spent much time working on lately 23:43:53 I believe you showed me this already, a while back 23:43:53 Many layouts use the room dimesnions/boundaries in their design. This would mean you need new layouts. 23:45:22 Getting a differant answer each time is good. If you need consistancy, just store a seed value. 23:45:37 We want lots of differant maps. 23:47:22 so what Draco said earlier is what I care about: being able to query a layout at arbitrary coordinates 23:47:38 other than that variety is awesome and I'm happy however we get there 23:50:15 Opps, I meant layouts use MAP dimensions. They are inheriantly not infinite, so there would be nothing outside. What is beyond the edge of the big doughnut? 23:51:47 permarock forever is presumably the crawl answer 23:52:27 Is ther a way I can compile crawl from a windows command line? 23:52:33 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:53:30 Shouldn't the makefile work with most sensible compilers? 23:54:25 It was broken in OSX for a while 23:56:53 make doesn't work, what command do I use? 23:57:33 I have an older compiler version (which I like), so I can't load the project files 23:57:48 I've just used whatever compiler came with msysgit. I honestly am not even sure which it is >.>; 23:59:56 git has a compile command?