00:00:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:01:24 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:02:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-860-gb14b6c7 (34) 00:05:35 -!- spaceships has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:28:20 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:30:54 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:32:26 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:41:14 Spriggan Druid on Lair:5 vault (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6322) by Nomi 00:42:04 |amethyst, kilobyte: How long do you think it will take to make my game playable? :) 00:44:44 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:46:19 0.12 tutorials are outdated about secret doors. 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Xom thinks this is hilarious! 06:56:01 -!- voxxik__ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:14 -!- voxxik_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:01:18 -!- Sab0t_ is now known as sab0t 07:03:58 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:04:05 -!- flowsnake_ is now known as flowsnake 07:05:20 -!- sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:06:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:53 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:13:05 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:51 hm, anyone have a good suggestion for the easiest way to check that the server clocks are all aligned? last tourney there were some minor problems with CDO's clock being slow by 15 seconds or so 07:16:42 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:21:52 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24:07 apt-get install ntp 07:25:14 (which also happens to be a good idea for any server. Client machines should at least run one-shot ntpdate on boot...) 07:29:24 CDO has ntpdate installed, it's not in cron so I assume it's one-shot at boot only. Should be roughly enough. 07:31:03 hmm... you say it was CDO that was off-time? So let's ask napkin to think about full ntp. 07:41:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:45:21 -!- Roderic_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:57:19 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:32 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:02:14 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:58 it's a nightly, kilobyte 08:04:27 <|amethyst> I just installed ntp on CAO; and already had it on CSZO 08:04:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte: still need a kill -9 ? 08:04:42 |amethyst: Yes please ♥ 08:05:07 <|amethyst> ok 08:09:23 Message displayed with x2 incorrectly. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6324) by elliptic 08:12:34 -!- Cag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:16:25 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:42 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:57 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:30:22 -!- ZRN has quit [] 08:45:07 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:28 -!- darkyoda has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:02:51 kilobyte: isn't the inedible tag on poisonous corpses wrong? they're only inedible under certain conditions, but "inedible" is always added to the prefixes 09:04:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:05:53 -!- araganzar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:06:43 -!- Coffeespoons has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:20:53 -!- oshikia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:20:56 also, is it really "item_glyph +="? for mon_glyph it's "mon_glyph =" 09:21:21 -!- nooodl__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:46 isnt = deprecated? 09:21:52 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:22:07 well mon_glyph isn't really a list option AIUI 09:22:10 it's not complained about if you use = 09:22:20 it's sort of differnt to message_colour and so on in that it's more of a map thing 09:24:09 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:52 <|amethyst> that said, order does matter so it probably should be made a list option 09:26:09 <|amethyst> for things that aren't list options, += usually means the same thing as = 09:26:19 * elliott doesn't really see why mon_glyph isn't a list option 09:26:32 or is that what you meant 09:26:38 <|amethyst> that's what I meant 09:26:56 <|amethyst> it's that way because I didn't catch that one :) 09:29:23 -!- morphy_richards has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:36:13 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:36:42 -!- ark____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:07 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:41:22 galehar: I answered about the hp indicator thing on the issue -- the heap_brand setting also changed how the hp indicators looked, and it seemed like an easy fix (didn't expect it to break on windows) 09:41:54 what's the heap_brand setting for? 09:43:51 the brand applied to heaps of items 09:45:07 i.e. if there's more than one item on a tile 09:47:25 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:48:30 previous behaviour meant that if you showed stacks as underlines it'd also make the monster hp indicators unreasonable 09:48:35 because they'd just be a tiny coloured underline 09:48:53 I think it'd do even weirder things if you e.g. set a constant background for stacks 09:50:23 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 09:51:16 -!- antrees has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:53:15 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:02:54 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:20 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:07:13 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:29 I think windows console has its monster list health glyph special cased. 10:12:49 It used to be an underscore and has been changed to a space or the other way around 10:19:13 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:25:13 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:30:19 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:34:50 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:31 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:54 -!- iversaft has quit [Client Quit] 10:39:38 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:28 -!- Venter_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:41:17 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:41:58 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:57 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 10:53:28 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 10:54:44 -!- Tilio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:23 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:24 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:51 -!- accompanied has quit [Client Quit] 11:02:30 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 11:12:16 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:14:31 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:58 kilobyte: I don't suppose you could enlighten me as to which of my ideas involved turning kraken into boring summoner-with-swarm-of-pets, as per that commit message? 11:16:26 Given that I haven't even been attempting behavior modifications, aside from outright bugfixes? 11:24:22 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:51 this is great... there's two functions which convert from COLFLAG_ to CHATTR_ which basically do the same thing (get_brand in libunix.cc and _colflag2brand in colour.cc which is used for windows), except the windows version doesn't handle COLFLAG_REVERSE 11:26:32 galehar: you're on windows, right? I think the fix would be to just add a case to _colflag2brand to convert COLFLAG_REVERSE to CHATTR_REVERSE, but I can't test it 11:26:57 although this colour handling should probably be unified somehow (not that I'm gonna do it) 11:29:17 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:30:44 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:59 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 11:37:32 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:38:05 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 11:38:33 -!- LoremIpsum_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:21 -!- Satans_mechanic is now known as SatanicMechanic 11:48:32 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:58 edlothiol: I'm on windows, but I have a linux VM to do real stuff :) 11:51:12 I'll test your fix later, have to go 11:53:45 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:34 -!- Shovelmint has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:59:17 -!- LatinaPride has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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15:06:52 as I don't really understand much of it 15:08:05 galehar: just let's organize a rebuild on all servers before the tourney starts 15:08:37 !time 15:08:46 when does it start? 15:09:34 ??tournament 15:09:35 tournament[1/4]: The 0.11 tournament runs Oct 20-Nov 4: http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/ 15:10:08 in 26 hours 15:17:07 -!- Mixolyde has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:19:05 -!- ivan`` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:20:21 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:02 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22:13 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:22:18 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:23:54 -!- lexackson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:21 [PATCH] Remove unnecessary includes from header files (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6325) by jay31415 15:29:14 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:33:55 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:43 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:11 clouded_: sure 16:12:24 what's more readable: max(0, random_range(-5, 5, 2)) or pushing x_chance_in(55, 132) upstream then random_choose_weighted(3, +5, 7, +4, 11, +3, 15, +4, 19, +5, 0) ? 16:12:32 evilmike: cool, it's still a bit rough but: http://pastie.org/5080860 16:12:50 especially the chance for the line to not do anything is unclear 16:13:53 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:58 kilobyte: that random_choose_weighted line looks sort of insane 16:14:05 in either case i think i need to look up what random_foo does 16:14:31 -!- ophanim_afk is now known as ophanim 16:14:51 elliott: it's more readable when formatted into multiple lines 16:15:16 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:29 elliott: I've added a few more variations on some subvaults since the last version I gave you by the way 16:16:26 it's using a function with very unclear distribution vs writing the probabilities explicitely 16:16:31 clouded_: cool 16:17:08 another option would be using something sane with a similar distribution 16:17:32 (it's the chance for a basic OOD to increase depth by X) 16:23:31 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:23:49 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:19 -!- johnthebear has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:55 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:07 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:48 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40:14 clouded_: interesting how you made corridors so rare, and everything is metal. also, wow, some of these rooms are really packed 16:40:40 evilmike: very angbandy :P 16:41:04 you'd have to put traps on every other square to call it that 16:41:16 hah 16:41:50 does angband have lots of traps 16:42:07 in vaults it does 16:43:48 -!- Flun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46:52 the starting area feels a little weird here. you'll always start by going to the "temple" area with the free loot, but you have to travel through some empty rooms first 16:48:47 I've had other comments about that 16:49:00 could maybe shuffle it a bit 16:49:06 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:20 -!- VentertheWolf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:51 I quite liked that from the start you had a large part of the map you can go to, without fighting anything (though there's no point to it...) 16:49:54 I like how you have (practically) free access to the endgame area, right from the start... but there are helpful warning messages on the doors 16:50:26 yeah, this seems to be all about getting enough experience/loot to be able to handle that ridiculous orb chamber 16:51:22 indicating where to go in what order was tricky, I think it works fairly well now, and gives the opportunity to name the areas which is nice 16:51:30 you colour code the walls in console. You should do this in tiles as well. We have lots of coloured metal wall tiles 16:51:49 all you really need to do is add a line after the COLOUR: line, defining the tile in the same way 16:52:01 I'll look into that 16:54:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:54:15 evilmike: from playing and watching people play it, the orb chamber isn't really the absolute worst area 16:54:18 IMO 16:54:28 the optional pits, for instance 16:54:41 hmm, I think it might not be entirely obvious to players that they should examine the doors 16:54:56 "an examinable door comes into view" 16:55:05 that's in the todo 16:55:07 if they were made runed they'd be announced properly I think 16:55:08 it might be worth printing a simple message explaining this when the game starts 16:55:18 as in "Found a door to the blah blah (difficulty)." 16:55:19 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:55:30 that will work too 16:56:04 if runed doors do it automatically that would be convienient 16:56:20 -!- randoark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56:24 I would have liked to make them coloured too, but I can't for some reason 16:57:59 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:08 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:11 -!- nooodl__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:04:25 One thing that kind of bothers me is that it feels like crawl cries in agony when it loads the map up 17:04:46 i don't think runed doors do that automatically but you can use the thing that door vaults use maybe 17:05:21 well it says "Found a runed door." right 17:05:30 yeah 17:05:37 if you rename the runed door to "a door to foo" it seems like it might announce "Found a door to foo." or whatever 17:05:39 oh i see nevermind, they're renamed thingies 17:05:42 so yeah maybe it would work 17:05:53 might break in the lobbies though 17:05:59 since it might just say "Found several runed doors." or such 17:06:02 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:18 but yeah the other thing that would work is the stop_explore marker that door vaults use, anyway 17:07:45 will have to see how it works and figure something out 17:08:25 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 17:12:37 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 17:13:04 -!- Vizer_ is now known as Vizer 17:13:42 -!- Duralumin has quit [Client Quit] 17:16:42 clouded_: well, the map does have a lot of stuff in it, so it takes longer than normal to load... which is still less than a second for me 17:17:12 bigger problem is that resting with 5 takes quite a while :p 17:17:38 oh yeah, that can get bad if everything is awake 17:17:44 changing the metal to permarock would help with that 17:18:29 i mean it's not so bad 17:18:30 but it's noticeable 17:34:40 -!- Beneather has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:32 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:45:11 -!- Orfax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:46:47 -!- Kyrris has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:17 -!- Boldor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:02:53 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:02:58 -!- Valarioth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:03:07 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:12:12 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:12:36 -!- eb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:37 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:25 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:24 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:42:48 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:03 -!- Tally has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:18 -!- nmf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:50:52 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:55 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:04:54 Abyssal Vault "due_abyss_rune" spawns with no entrance (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6326) by FantomFang 19:06:20 elliott: you mean, due to Crawl's performance, or due to interruptions? 19:06:34 kilobyte: former 19:06:40 kilobyte: simulating the whole level I guess 19:06:45 my computer is pretty slow so maybe it's just that 19:06:53 so that's something to look into 19:07:20 designing maps is not so much fun, optimizing code is :p 19:07:42 although I strongly suspect it's radius_iterator/circle_def again 19:08:09 5 performance is also noticeable in the abyss 19:08:15 especially in the inception branch I think 19:09:01 in trunk it's mostly Worsley's noise 19:09:43 (fr rest_delay: at -1 disables screen redraws while you rest so it just happens instantly) 19:10:24 it does... 19:10:35 at least in console 19:10:44 huh? 5 redraws all the time for me 19:10:48 you can see the turncount go up and the hp bar fill 19:11:14 what's your travel_delay? 19:12:37 -1 19:12:42 i've never seen it do that when i had both explore and travel delay at -1 19:12:54 i have both at -1 with this test 19:12:57 I can termcast a demonstration 19:13:08 oh hmm 19:13:23 OK, I actually had explore_delay at default, but setting it to -1 I can reproduce the same behaviour 19:15:46 test/stress/run woken_rest (or 1) 19:16:11 time gets updated only every 100 rounds 19:16:47 dunno what to say... I can very clearly see it animate the resting here 19:18:13 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:18:28 so something must differ then... 19:18:56 I can pastebin my rc if that'd be helpful 19:19:27 wait, are you on tiles? 19:19:48 nope 19:19:56 console, linux, TERM=xterm but running under rxvt-unicode 19:20:11 0.12-a0-862-g369eedc 19:20:55 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:23:13 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:22 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:25:06 -!- User82 has quit [Client Quit] 19:33:29 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:08 kilobyte: Yes, it seems that was a miscommunication. A while ago I commented on a BUG that had that effect, but it certainly was not intentended, and I agree it is not at all desireable 19:36:05 Though on the topic of kraken behavioral changes, now that I'll be getting around to fixing the tentacle movement speed bug (ie: making them stop moving based on scoring turns), what speed should they be? 10 would make them the same as present for most situatons, but considerably less dangerous to faster moving things or hasted things. Might still be best, but I'm unsure 19:36:49 could different tentacles have different speeds? 19:38:05 Well, I intend for starspawn tentacles to be fast, yes 19:38:28 i mean as in, a single kraken has tenetacles of different speeds 19:38:52 Due to how tentacle movement is implemented, that would be very hard 19:39:48 And how would it even come up? Unless you also mean to allow slowing or hasting individual tentacles. Which would also be another layer of complication there 19:40:20 hm 19:40:27 DracoOmega: make kraken speed 20 19:40:44 Well, the actual kraken itself is already 16, I think 19:40:52 yes 19:40:54 so 20 isn't a big change! 19:41:04 But its own speed normally doesn't matter 19:41:15 well the tentacles should be speed 20 too 19:41:15 is 1.4qys just going to make everything speed 5, 10, or 20 19:41:22 1.4qys 19:41:24 It's just that currently tentacles HAVE no sane speed 19:41:30 They move as fast or slow as the player does 19:41:34 monqy: let's make everything speed 20 19:41:47 hi 19:41:48 monqy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:41:56 (They attack at a standard speed, but movement is wierd) 19:44:19 Though currently they literally cannot overtake any character moving away from them, so it probably mightn't matter much if a few gain the ability to pull away and open a gap (given that you always could once they got to their max range) 19:44:25 And this is a Chei nerf regardless :P 19:45:23 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:33 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:59 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:01 help I can't get runed doors in sprint 19:50:15 clouded_: you just use = for a runed door afaik 19:50:25 instead of whatever the door symbol is 19:50:31 or is that not working 19:51:31 it doesn't 19:53:05 maybe it's because of your door naming? 19:53:32 no, I've tried without it and in another sprint entirely 19:53:42 weird 19:53:45 i defer to someone competent 19:55:49 -!- aimeelou has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:57 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:11 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:59:23 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 19:59:44 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00:16 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:07:07 -!- brocolee has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:03 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 20:20:13 -!- DracoOmega_ has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:20:39 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:30 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:27:48 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 20:28:21 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:31:14 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:44:37 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 20:47:39 -!- DracoOmega_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:52:00 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:00:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:13 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:13:48 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:22 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24:40 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:27:15 -!- clouded_ has quit [] 21:32:00 -!- nmf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:34:12 -!- gastrox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:38:46 -!- crate has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:38:50 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 21:47:42 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:48:55 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 21:57:25 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:57:33 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:08 ?? traps 22:00:08 trap[1/1]: Hidden thing that causes great aggravation. Train the Traps skill to get an (increasingly more likely) warning, or don't, but expect embarrasing deaths either way. See {mechanical trap}, {magical trap}, {natural trap}, {gas trap}, {disarming}, {trap generation}, { trap}. 22:00:17 ?? mechanical trap 22:00:17 mechanical trap[1/2]: A cyan ^ which causes serious pain when you step on it. Don't walk around injured, especially with low Traps & Doors. Can be disarmed, but if you fail you can take as much damage disarming as you would just walking through. Disarming them may provide ammo or +0,+0 weapons and can protect your pets. 22:00:21 ?? mechanical trap[2] 22:00:22 mechanical trap[2/2]: List of mechanical traps - dart, arrow, bolt, needle, axe, blade, spear 22:00:44 hmm, do these still exist in 0.11 or is it .12 where they're mostly removed? 22:00:56 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:01:01 (just an idle question upon scrolling past trapwalk_safe_hp in my rcfile) 22:06:37 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:49 they aren't removed in 0.11 22:06:58 dunno if anyone's gotten around to doing it in 0.12 22:07:33 -!- chukamok_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:24 -!- chukamok_ is now known as chukamok 22:26:14 -!- spaceships has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:26:48 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 22:28:15 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:28:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:30:30 -!- Rewans has quit [] 22:33:06 lua errors going down stairs to Vault 4. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6327) by rjrrt 22:38:10 multiple Vault runes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6328) by rjrrt 22:38:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:42:28 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 22:42:34 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:43:15 health not displaying next to creature name (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6329) by King_Jelly 22:53:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:53:31 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:09 hiya 23:00:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:08 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:27 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:40 -!- Timguytiner has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:13:51 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:16:53 bh: yo 23:19:30 -!- chukamok has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.1/20121010144125]] 23:19:41 I'm thinking of adding a new habitat type, but I don't know if I need it. HT_INCORPOREAL 23:20:49 turns out, to my surprise, that Rock Worms do not enjoy tunneling through metal. 23:21:07 Metal Worms 23:21:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:46 Zannick: I'm making the 'Tilling Worm'. It walks through anything and moves the map around as it does 23:29:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:33:32 is it good gameplay? 23:34:26 monqy: it's interesting and scary 23:34:34 alright 23:35:10 I was just thinking things that actually dig can be scary just because you don't want to get behind something that it'll dig out if you want to use that to hide from something, and they can open up space for scary things, and so on 23:35:20 but just shifting stuff around might not leave that sort of room for other guys 23:35:32 but if they're scary in their own right I guess that isn't such a big concern 23:35:38 monqy: I can make it push the terrain further away from itself when it isn't moving 23:36:00 whatever works well I'd say 23:36:25 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:37:37 what on earth is `habitat2grid` used for? 23:39:13 -!- LoremIpsum_ is now known as MortuumIpsum 23:40:19 monster placement, looks like 23:41:39 classifying monsters by their habitats, 23:41:59 and more monster placement 23:42:17 hm. 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