00:02:11 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-786-g5b3e6b2 (34) 00:02:42 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-786-g5b3e6b2 (34) 00:06:25 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:07:01 elliott: some of these are coming from vaults 00:10:02 -!- seriosu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:16:57 anyone here have any feelings on when the tournament should start? sometime this weekend? 00:17:19 -!- eb has quit [] 00:18:31 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-786-g5b3e6b2 00:19:36 if it's this weekend, it should probably be announced on wednesday at the very latest. even that would be pretty short notice 00:19:50 -!- zencephalon1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:20:40 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:46 All these 'inwards' and 'outwards' props still give me a headache 00:24:56 I can't help but feel that it's doing something in a more complicated manner than necessary, but am still unsure what that is 00:25:33 crawl 00:26:27 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 00:28:06 I still remain torn between leaving it the heck alone, or trying to figure out what bits of it are probably redundant and/or unnecessary and trimming them so that it will be clearer for anyone else to understand, should the need arise 00:28:51 have fun with that 00:29:52 Yeah, sounds like a joy, no? 00:30:10 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:30:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 00:31:44 (In the end, I strongly suspect I will leave that part of it alone and hope that no one ever needs to touch it) 00:32:01 Since I currently think I can fix/add most of what I need to without altering it 00:42:26 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:44:11 DracoOmega: for the wretched star what would you say to polymorphing unfriendly creatures into stronger creatures and friendly creatures into weaker creatures? 00:44:18 -!- Tally has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:18 -!- Tally_ is now known as Tally 00:47:45 Well, I don't know that I have strong feelings, either way. I think the only person who specifically voiced objection was kilobyte? I guess the main thing odd here is the same thing odd with poly other itself: it seems to have a completely different kind of effect on players and monsters 00:48:27 I mean, flavorwise, the wretched star is sort of corrupting and twisting you, filling you with the disorder of the abyss. As opposed to, say, making you poof into a dragon 00:48:59 I think it's a bad policy to throw out interesting opponents on that basis 00:49:12 evilmike: yeah, it seems like short notice to me too... I was thinking it could start sometime on sunday (instead of the usual 00:00 UTC on saturday) to compensate for that, but I'm not sure 00:49:31 it's nice to have three weekends in a tournament 00:50:11 bh: Yes, mass poly other could be sort of fun, hence why I'm not necessarily wholely opposed to it. Also, I'm still unsure what interesting it could do to other monsters intead (if anything) 00:53:35 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:53:51 evilmike: right... possibly starting next weekend is just a better idea 00:54:17 gives an extra week for people to hear about the tourney and build up enthusiasm 00:55:24 as long as I have time to put my team together! 00:56:48 bh: teams can be modified until a week into the tourney, but I agree it is sort of nice for teams to be mostly organized at the beginning 00:57:19 -!- Guest35709 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:27 elliptic: mhm. Zannick is traveling, enne and haran are hard to pin down 00:58:00 -!- Guest35709 is now known as _dd 00:59:30 -!- spaceships has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:00:55 yeah, give more than 3 days' notice, please :P 01:09:29 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:10:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:11:25 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:20:02 -!- popbob_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:22:36 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:33:47 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:40:05 -!- barbs has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:40:49 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:44:53 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:53 -!- zencephalon is now known as SlyShy 01:50:54 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 02:06:07 Trap tiles next water look ugly in the Shoals (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6298) by Medar 02:17:19 -!- voxxik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:15 -!- tkappleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:47 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:18:57 -!- antrees has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:35 -!- Taynav has quit [Quit: Insert Witty Quit Message] 02:23:57 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:54 -!- barbs has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:25:25 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 02:25:29 -!- Guest50082 is now known as Wolfechu 02:25:35 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:25 -!- BanMido_ is now known as BanMido 02:28:21 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:16 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:44:47 -!- Jon-slashem_ is now known as Jon-slashem 02:46:09 -!- spacewolf009 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:49:49 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:49:53 -!- Jon-slashem_ is now known as Jon-slashem 02:52:47 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 02:54:29 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:57:24 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:54 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 03:03:24 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:05:21 -!- Jon-slashem_ is now known as Jon-slashem 03:07:36 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:12:04 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:11 -!- Jon-slashem_ is now known as Jon-slashem 03:14:06 -!- Staplegun has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:16:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:16:42 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:21:23 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:21:26 -!- omnirizon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:21:51 -!- Jon-slashem_ is now known as Jon-slashem 03:23:07 How odd. I just noticed that kraken will not swap places with their tentacle segments if the segments are in shallow water (only deep water), although they can move into shallow water normally 03:23:43 I mean, it does seem this was intentional at some point, but is it desireable? 03:23:48 -!- gastrox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:27:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 03:29:17 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:47 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:03 -!- Jon-slashem_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:32:21 Well, nevermind. Seems the fact that they were in shallow water in the first place was only because they spawned there (probably wizmode's fault) 03:33:36 fun fact: you can place krakens in fountains 03:33:58 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:23 -!- eiennohito has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:41 Heh 03:35:40 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:46 -!- Jon-slashem_ is now known as Jon-slashem 03:36:36 Though I need to see now if this check is just outright redunant 03:38:12 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds] 03:38:54 -!- Jon-slashem_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:40:12 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:40:13 -!- Jon-slashem_ is now known as Jon-slashem 03:40:47 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:43:14 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:43:56 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:46:20 It'll be nice to go implement a nice and simple monster of some sort after this, I think 03:48:05 Because surely any of them will be less fussing about than this 03:48:06 (Or perhaps not) 03:54:03 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:54:07 -!- Jon-slashem__ is now known as Jon-slashem 03:58:31 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:45 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:01:52 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:14:33 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:16:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:22:55 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:25 -!- Wolfe is now known as Guest89741 04:29:19 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:57 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 04:36:29 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:53:58 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:39 -!- evilmike has quit [] 04:56:42 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:20 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-772-gbd7a0b9 05:01:10 To all who are concerned about labyrinths: pre-DCSS labs were essentially just a spiral, and none of us (Darshan, Erik, Haran, I) considered that fun. That's why Darshan implemented braided mazes. 05:01:56 -!- Sabaki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:53 * kilobyte ponders how Theseus could get lost in something like that. 05:04:32 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09:41 He was an uneducated warrior? :) 05:10:37 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:32 seems to be exceptionally dense even for that 05:12:01 heck, randomly walking would get the minotaur out 05:12:50 iirc the mythological labyrinth was not actually the classical spiral design 05:12:55 it was a maze 05:12:58 well as he walked through it, other parts of the labryinth got replaced, so eventually he was walking in a completely new labryinth 05:12:59 http://oglaf.com/skein/ 05:13:12 BlastHardcheese: :p 05:16:50 -!- ktgrey has quit [] 05:21:21 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22:07 -!- Venter_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:23:16 Napkin: is termcast.develz.org under your control? If so, FooTV is stuck. 05:24:11 -!- naalis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:27:36 no, it's darshan's baby 05:27:42 i just set the dns entry 05:28:03 m'kay, thanks 05:28:24 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:28:27 greensnark: FooTV is stuck, would you care to unstick it? 05:30:35 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:36:47 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:39:44 -!- BoredOne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:42:20 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 05:47:20 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 05:50:18 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:50:34 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:57 !tell evilmike what's the point in fire craps and acid blobs having M_FLEE? It's now a dragon-only (plus kraken) gimmick, kind of weird for this maneouver to happen on mindless monsters. Especially acid blobs I wouldn't suspect of any strategy. 05:54:57 kilobyte: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 06:05:37 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:14:41 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 06:17:18 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:39 -!- Palyth has quit [] 06:21:42 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:22:14 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:58 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Client Quit] 06:25:21 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:05 kilobyte: i think the point was that fleeing works better on enemies that actually gain something from it, like a chance to use their ranged attack. 06:29:13 i agree that it doesnt make sense on acid blobs 06:29:35 well acid blobs have a ranged attack 06:33:41 well yes, but they are also as dumb as a rock 06:33:58 mindless stuff doesnt usually flee 06:34:02 acid blob (11J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 18 | HP: 76-122 | AC/EV: 1/3 | Dam: 4208(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 03poison, 08acid, asphyx | XP: 3379 | Sp: acid splash (3d7+7d5) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 06:34:02 %??acid blob 06:34:15 it is as smart as a plant 06:40:54 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:45:37 ie, shown as (mindless) in the game 06:47:58 like this race desc from the Two Towers mud: http://sprunge.us/WjHb 06:53:46 fleeing acid blobs sound more interesting to me than non-fleeing acid blobs... the flavour doesn't seem like much to get worked up about. at the silliest, they could be reflavoured as jiyva worshippers of some intelligence 06:54:20 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest71097 06:55:08 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:58:51 Although isn't, specifically, TRJ the only Jiyva follower? 06:59:02 dissolution 06:59:04 the player 06:59:18 though dissolution doesn't count enough for the purposes of jiyva existing apparently 06:59:21 yes 06:59:26 that's what I was thinking 06:59:43 i consider that somewhat a bug though, it really makes no sense at all -- the problem is it's slightly technically painful to implement that properly 06:59:44 but if Dissolution is already a loophole then I got nothing 06:59:52 in that you have to veto spawns of dissolution after jiyva dies 07:00:00 elliott: because Dissolution might be spawned after Slime is cleared? 07:00:04 yeah 07:00:10 phyphor: you might get shafted from slime:1 or whatever 07:00:20 and then kill jiyva and go up and generate a slime level on which dissolution would spawn 07:00:22 Could you make slimes fleeing conditional on Jiyva existing? 07:00:27 ha 07:00:31 that would be horrendous to code but also quite cool 07:00:56 clearly introduce a nethack-style extinction mechanic so you have to farm like 100 acid blob spawns to kill all of jiyva's intelligent worshippers 07:00:59 flavour restored 07:01:07 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:52 -!- whut is now known as Guest60463 07:02:05 -!- Guest60463 has quit [Client Quit] 07:04:08 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:23 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:54 vetoing Dissolution's vault is easy 07:15:21 although shafts really should generate levels in-between, as this causes connectivity errors 07:24:56 how quick is level generation, and how "bad" can a shaft be? 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http://pastebin.com/4FbRUea7 12:06:46 Lua errors about no vault found for tag 'grunt_rogue_subvault' 12:08:55 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:10:21 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:55 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:57 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 12:17:37 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:03 -!- User82 has quit [Client Quit] 12:23:03 -!- Guest73401 is now known as chris-oelmueller 12:23:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:24:13 <|amethyst> Just pushed the first 0.11 bugfix 12:24:41 <|amethyst> "spell_slot =" would reset autopickup_exceptions instead of spell_slot :) 12:25:07 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-789-g4c1bd42: Document ^= and importance of order for list options. (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 57+ 37-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/4c1bd42a1176 12:25:07 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-788-g5e04137: Correctly handle runrest_ignore_monster -= foo. (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/5e04137ae416 12:25:07 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-787-gfec2aea: Fix "spell_slot =". (14 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/fec2aea0dded 12:25:07 Cherry-picked 2 commits into stone_soup-0.11 12:25:11 <|amethyst> (and another, that runrest_ignore_monster -= foo didn't work properly) 12:30:27 <|amethyst> should I go ahead and add the ^= stuff to 0.11, too? 12:34:09 not sure if they're that useful, seems like -= and += can handle most cases 12:34:32 <|amethyst> it's necessary if you want to override default message colours without removing them entirely 12:34:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:51 on a tangential note how do you get rid of the message about obsolete defaults in 0.11 12:35:32 BlastHardcheese: nuke the config (parts you did not add yourself) 12:36:00 if you're asking this question, the message needs to be improved 12:36:07 What do you mean exactly? Commented lines? 12:36:22 Yeah, I wouldn't mind that :I 12:36:57 commented lines do no harm 12:37:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: e.g. if you want to have scrolls of noise get a different colour, you need ^= because of the default .*dangerous_item.* match 12:38:13 <|amethyst> unless you want to remove that match (you have to write it exactly with -=) then readd it after your "noise" match 12:41:20 oh, then I have no idea which lines in my config are defaults 12:41:20 -!- chris-oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 12:41:42 Would it be possible for the game to tell you? 12:41:56 -!- ilyak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:48:23 -!- user4521 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53:00 <|amethyst> what's the message again? 12:54:38 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:14 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58:10 -!- drag0n_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:12 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:21 http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mboufifBZQ1qzges5o1_500.png 13:00:39 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-790-gb439a85: Use ^= where relevant in default init comments. (39 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 12-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/b439a852ec14 13:02:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte: as another example, that example menu_colour += inventory:magenta:shillelagh does nothing if you leave the defaults in 13:03:09 <|amethyst> kilobyte: because artefacts are coloured white in the defaults 13:04:33 i think regular config lines should really just overwrite the defaults 13:05:15 instead of needing to a new way of defining options in order to be able to overwrite them 13:05:20 <|amethyst> how do you propose doing that? 13:05:32 i have no idea! :P 13:05:47 <|amethyst> can't add the defaults after the regular config, because then there's no way to remove them 13:05:48 it's just very unintuitive at present 13:05:59 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:43 -!- BanMido has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 13:08:02 i guess the file would be even more unwieldy and huge if it were all one file, and i liked the old method of includes but that's no good if we want a blank config to give you all the defaults 13:09:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:22 -!- Valarioth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:14:11 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 13:14:14 what's the objection to making the last matching rule apply instead of the first one? wouldn't that solve this? 13:14:37 <|amethyst> there are situations where you do want to defer 13:15:04 <|amethyst> also, that subtly changes the meanings of existing configs (then again, wouldn't be the first time) 13:15:47 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:16:32 <|amethyst> for that matter, it changes the meanings of some defaults, but those can be fixed of course 13:20:19 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:33 <|amethyst> I don't have a strong objection to that (then we can say that ^= defers), but that means we will have to check our defaults and reverse the order when things can match the same subject 13:22:09 <|amethyst> and will have to warn people who have written complicated configs 13:23:23 <|amethyst> (not necessarily complicated, even things like, "mute all messages about monsters hitting summons" followed by "colour all messages about mennas in purple" will have to be swapped) 13:24:09 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Using leafChat 2] 13:24:32 also, adding the defaults after the regular config might be possible for options where it would then be possible to overwrite them (like menu or message colours)? 13:25:03 i.e. you wouldn't be able to remove the default, but wouldn't overwriting it achieve th same thing? 13:25:36 <|amethyst> I guess a .* match would 13:30:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 13:33:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:46:18 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:24 WebTiles: Opening two dialogs really fast makes the second be off center (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6299) by Medar 13:50:27 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:51:28 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:52:06 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:03:20 -!- spaceships has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:39 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:34 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:11:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:00 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:33 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:29:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:42 <|amethyst> kilobyte: is there a way to build against system PCRE ? 14:32:45 <|amethyst> I just noticed that CSZO and my local binaries are using Posix EREs 14:34:43 -!- ChanServ has quit [shutting down] 14:34:47 <|amethyst> having (?-i:) could be a workaround for #4945 14:41:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:45:27 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:14 -!- Neula has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:07 -!- rkd has quit [] 14:49:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:11 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:50:12 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:50:55 -!- zencephalon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:14 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:55:22 |amethyst: the contents of webserver/static (i.e. non-version-specific scripts) get installed on every trunk update on CSZO, right? 14:57:08 -!- zencephalon is now known as SlyShy 14:57:26 edlothiol * 0.12-a0-791-g066440b: Webtiles: Fix dialogs being off-center if they are opened too fast (#6299) (5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/066440b83ca0 14:57:41 <|amethyst> edlothiol: yes 14:57:55 <|amethyst> but there's the cache 14:59:52 yeah, that's ok 15:08:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:12:22 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:12:44 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:14:34 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:15:29 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:56 |amethyst: currently the Makefile is simplicistic (remember, no proper configure step), and the rule is: use pcre only on Windows 15:17:25 (everything else is guaranteed to have posix re) 15:17:48 we had third option until very recently, too: simple globs 15:18:42 %git e8b8168 15:18:43 kilobyte * 0.11-a0-2411-ge8b8168: Drop unused plain glob support. (4 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 108-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/e8b8168dad2b 15:20:01 if you want to always require pcre, that's doable. Distro packagers deserve a warning about extra dependency, but that's all. 15:20:23 <|amethyst> I was thinking something like make USE_PCRE=1 15:20:56 that'd leave the bug unfixed for those without 15:23:02 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 15:24:27 <|amethyst> hm 15:25:18 There was discussion about when to kick off the tournament. No matter what date is chosen (I don't mind), we should spread the word as quickly as possible, so that players can organise teams, take their holiday etc. 15:27:09 the idea of starting this weekend is totally mad 15:27:30 I don't have an opinion, I'd just like to make an announcement on CDO and forum :) 15:27:44 I decided Oct 20 was saner, yes 15:27:51 So the weekend thereafter? Oct 20-Nov 4? 15:28:17 * dpeg ponders whether this weekend is really totally mad or perhaps just ordinarily mad. 15:28:58 dpeg: yeah, 00:00 on Oct 20 to 24:00 on Nov 4 (times in UTC) 15:29:22 elliptic: I think you did announcements last time? Could you give me the link to that? 15:29:58 Should list all servers, say a word about webtiles, the clan blurb, and link to rules and banners. 15:30:29 dpeg: I'm currently updating the rules with the correct dates 15:30:33 <3 15:30:40 are any new banners required? 15:31:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: btw, how difficult is the scoring stuff to set up? have you talked to rax about getting a CAO account to do so? 15:33:42 spooky halloween tournament 15:34:20 Mu_: no need to be considerate of Nethack these days, right? 15:35:14 as long as you don't have a tournament in june 15:35:29 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:35:39 bhaak: no plans. When was the last NH halloween tournament? 15:36:02 oh i didn't even know they did a halloween tournament :p 15:36:09 haha :) 15:36:27 Didn't they boast about hosting the "longest running internet competition" or something? 15:36:33 well there's the annual tournament that starts right _after_ halloween :) 15:36:40 yes 15:37:04 -!- Keratin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:37:12 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 15:37:12 Mu_: they have an extra gimmick each year, but from what I gathered, our tournament is set up and run in a much better (don't want to say professional) manner 15:37:17 longest continously running online tournament 15:37:34 bhaak: ah, so devnull is still going? 15:38:15 Mu_, dpeg: the servers are set up every year FROM SCRATCH instead of using existing public servers. you can imagine that doesn't help with stability 15:38:35 dpeg: yes, and this year he started early setting stuff up. that is, tonight :) 15:38:57 wow... but they keep trudging on, year after year, gotta respect that -- how many players over the last years? 15:39:31 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:39:38 * dpeg has no clue why Nethackers wouldn't use NAO for their tournaments 15:39:39 bhaak: I guess you have scripts to set up servers, though 15:40:10 devnull is older than nao 15:41:21 dpeg: decreasing, especially with last year when it was really badly managed 15:41:56 bhaak: so far, our numbers have been going up. Cannot go on forever like that, of course. Will this time be the first with webtiles? 15:42:18 dpeg: this tourney will be the fourth with webtiles 15:42:28 oops 15:42:37 * dpeg has never ever seen a web tile :O 15:42:43 -!- voxxik has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:50 kilobyte: not "you", "they". i don't have anything to do with devnull and for junethack we are using the existing public servers. not exactly the same way as you do with the crawl tournament. we don't need (want) access to inner workings of the servers. 15:43:15 dpeg: a web tile is still a tile. An abomination unto Xom. 15:43:43 dpeg: the functionality is there, but it's probably as often used as a fridge in greenland 15:43:51 Is this a bug: http://pastebin.com/4FbRUea7 15:44:01 I got it upon entering Crypt:5 today 15:44:05 dpeg: all the rules are on http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/ (and the tourney scoring pages will be there as well) 15:44:21 (Well, I mean of course it's a bug, but is it something someone should know about?) 15:44:39 elliptic: thanks. I will write an announcment for CDO, and show it to you before going public, okay? 15:45:24 dpeg: sounds good :) the announcement I did last tourney is here: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-10-tournament 15:45:30 will csn have 0.11, then? 15:45:36 it already does 15:45:40 I think 15:45:46 oh so it does, yeah 15:45:50 elliptic: what servers will take part? 15:45:54 i just saw the huge "trunk only" message :P 15:45:55 dpeg: all four of them 15:46:01 awesome 15:46:04 dpeg: they are listed on the rules page ;) 15:46:05 but yeah on logging in i can see 0.11 there 15:47:41 learn add devteam * dpeg has never ever seen a web tile :O 15:48:08 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 15:49:46 BlastHardcheese: maybe he should see a doctor. 15:50:53 !tell Wensley Tourney is scheduled for Oct 20 - Nov 4, it would be great to have the banner updates (sif lorekeeper, 0.11 footer) sometime before then if you aren't too busy :) 15:50:53 elliptic: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 15:52:52 1learn add tournament that, maybe? 15:53:14 bhaak: I'm not insane, the others are insane! 15:54:29 dpeg: you're completely normal, all others are just outliers! as a mathematician you know that such things can happen 15:54:42 rarely 15:54:59 |amethyst: my experience with the scoring scripts consists of getting them to work locally once several months ago and writing a simple patch for something, so I'm not really an expert with them... I don't think it should be hard to get them running and update with the new servers and 0.11 and all, but I won't have any significant amount of time for the next week 15:56:04 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:07 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:46 !learn edit tournament[1] s|.*|The 0.11 tournament will be Oct 20 - Nov 4. Rules: http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/. 15:57:46 tournament[1/4]: The 0.11 tournament will be Oct 20 - Nov 4. Rules: http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/. 15:59:28 !learn edit tournament[1] s|.*|The 0.11 tournament runs Oct 20-Nov 4: http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/ 15:59:28 tournament[1/4]: The 0.11 tournament runs Oct 20-Nov 4: http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/ 16:01:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:21 * kilobyte wonders what's the point of the Beogh banner. It basically says "pick clan mates weaker than you". 16:02:43 kilobyte: well, you want the clan to do well too :) 16:03:13 I really don't expect anyone to pick their teams based on a single banner 16:04:49 TSO's banner is almost redundant with Ashenzari: you just can't get xp from D:14 before Lair 16:04:59 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:30 -!- Guest70220 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05:55 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:09 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 16:06:16 we discussed this before 16:06:32 do I have to dig up the discussion? 16:07:07 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:32 no 16:07:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:07:46 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08:12 too late for big changes, and to make them we'd need a good replacement anyway 16:08:22 oh, tourney stuff is where? 16:08:33 ??is cao down 16:08:33 be cao down[1/1]: maybe 16:08:33 <|amethyst> ??tourney 16:08:33 tournamn't[1/4]: Tha 0.11 tournamn't runs Oct 20-Nov 4: http://seleniac.org/crawl/tourney/12b/ 16:08:41 kilobyte: certainly not making changes, that time is long long past 16:08:53 <|amethyst> I'm not sure I see the overlap anyway 16:09:05 not removing a banner just because you don't like it, sorry, especially when you've brought objections up before and we talked about it 16:09:18 or be your own clan if you're antisocial like me :U 16:11:25 |amethyst: the whole difficulty is in doing Spider/Snake and Slime early; if you have a char that beat Slime getting the rest is easy 16:11:45 elliptic, kilobyte: no need to get worked up. We had less than ideal banners in the past, and we can make better banners for 0.12. 16:11:47 there's a good twenty lines about this on http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/%23%23crawl-dev-20120827.log 16:12:12 <|amethyst> kilobyte: talking about ash II vs TSO III? 16:13:31 dpeg: I'm merely pointing out ones that suck, this occasion is as good as any, although indeed the matter is moot for 0.11 16:13:39 FWIW, I don't like Beogh's banner too much either. 16:14:05 But then again, I'm the one who came up with Fedhas' fruit basket :) 16:14:34 <|amethyst> is there a way to do TSO III without getting the evil forest? 16:15:04 |amethyst: ash III mostly, Ash II forbids only stash runs 16:15:06 kilobyte, dpeg: New banner ideas are very welcome whenever, anyway. The problem is always that tourney time comes around and there aren't enough good banners :) 16:15:24 |amethyst: a distortion weapon 16:15:31 <|amethyst> oh, right 16:15:32 many banners require actual coding, so they can't be done at the last minute 16:15:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte: err, ash III requires you to do Tomb and Vault at the same time 16:15:51 elliptic: yes. No accusation towards you :) 16:15:59 <|amethyst> kilobyte: TSO banners have nothing of the swort 16:16:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:33 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:38 beogh banner is not my favorite one either, but it has been fairly positively received by players and I like having one clan-based banner... other suggestions welcome 16:16:56 |amethyst: you can pick between Lair+S+S+Slime or Vaults+Tomb first, but that's a no-brainer 16:17:00 |amethyst: TSO banners don't require doing tomb or V at all, yes 16:17:23 elliptic: point about no better ideas taken 16:17:25 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:30 kilobyte: you also have to decide how much of D to do before entering lair 16:17:39 (for ash) 16:18:16 Lair tends to be easier than mid-D 16:18:21 and whether to do orc + elf (doing elf:3 vault not required) before lair 16:18:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but you won't be able to leave before doing S:5 and Slime:6, so you might want to level up in D anyway 16:18:55 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 16:20:32 |amethyst: D quite quickly becomes hard; elliptic has a good point about levelling in Orc and briefly diving Elf, though 16:20:53 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 16:21:19 (clearing Elf before any other branches really would be a feat, dipping in and out is not) 16:21:30 btw, personally I dislike the lugonu banner a lot 16:22:25 -!- moohaus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:28 I see, we should discuss banners when the tournament is over :) 16:22:48 Perhaps start a thread on the forum. There's a chance someone will come up with good ideas. 16:23:50 Trog is way too metagamey, Vehumet is about setting up a silly gimmick with an area spell 16:24:16 <|amethyst> But axe magic now has area spells :) 16:24:34 kilobyte: care to explain why having a metagamey banner is bad? 16:25:08 |amethyst: and with no mana requirement! 16:25:28 also I'm not really sure how it is metagamey unless you are going to try to stop other people from getting banners 16:25:35 Vehumet never cared how you achieved your kils. 16:25:37 and afaik nobody even thinks of doing that 16:25:58 <|amethyst> metagamey in the sense that it's about the tournament, not the game 16:26:01 |amethyst: really, if cleave is going to hit 7 targets like it currently does, it'd be simpler to make it 8 16:26:12 -!- chlorine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:26:34 oh no, a tourney banner about the tourney 16:27:03 (which is making axes even more ridiculously overpowered, but it's not like current state can stay without changes) 16:27:21 kilobyte: funny how a fair number of good players think that axes are weak now? 16:27:48 "weak"? Sorry, you're making an off-by-two error. 16:28:00 ? 16:28:37 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28:38 -!- Neula has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:28:43 the best weapon has base dam 19, exec axes have effectively 126. To make that weak you'd need two more, and 8 bits. 16:28:46 certainly some people think they are strong also (personally I lean to the strong side slightly, but not by that much) 16:29:02 but I was making a factual statement that people have said they think current axes are weak 16:29:34 <|amethyst> how about I implement a weapon with base damage 60 and no cleaving, then we see which players take 16:29:41 <|amethyst> that or an exec axe 16:30:36 heh 16:30:38 "I've played roughly half a game with a HOCK since cleave got added and my opinion is that axes are probably worse now than before the changes (since both battleaxe and exec axe just took another damage hit in trunk, so they match the stats of glaive/bardiche) but are more interesting." 16:30:43 (crate) 16:31:01 minmay also claims that axes are so weak that any other weapon type is better :) 16:31:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:31:12 I really like disparities like these. 16:31:20 Mnoleg happened to summon five tentacled monstrosities next to me in one turn. Normally, that's a "game over if teleport won't go out soon enough" -- or two swings with an unenchanted bad brand axe. 16:32:21 dpeg: there's only one weapon better than exec axe, and only by a single point 16:32:24 dpeg: also koboldlord agreed with crate 16:32:34 (not counting ogre specials, of course) 16:32:41 <|amethyst> what about great mace? 16:32:56 that makes three "counsellors" on tavern who think that current axes are on the weak side of things 16:33:00 <|amethyst> or do you mean better at 26 skill? 16:33:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:33:27 kilobyte: exec axe may easily lose a point or two of base damage. The difficulty is to assess how much the (generally undesirable) cleaving option is worth -- who knows? :) 16:33:56 <|amethyst> I think "generally undesirable" is underselling it 16:33:56 I am more concerned with the fact that it's actually used. 16:34:29 kilobyte: btw, normally having tentmons summoned around you is completely non-lethal because blink scrolls exist 16:35:09 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: time to GO HOME (wait. what am I doing on ##crawl at work?)] 16:35:13 (you always get a turn before they constrict you unless you also got paralyzed or something) 16:36:07 <|amethyst> what are maces good at, btw? 16:36:33 kilobyte: also I'm rather impressed that you could kill tentmons with "two swings with an unenchanted bad brand axe" at 75% damage 16:36:45 since they do have 124 HP 16:37:33 |amethyst: style! 16:38:00 |amethyst: great mace is arguably the best common two-hander, and demon whip the best rare one-hander 16:38:20 and GSC is very good on ogres of course 16:38:23 <|amethyst> triple sword is rare? 16:38:26 yes 16:38:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:23 <|amethyst> and I guess long blades' thing is that they have the biggest (base damage) 2-hander and 1.5-hander 16:43:47 <|amethyst> (I'm counting the clubs as 2.5-handed :P ) 16:44:22 Keskitalo * 0.12-a0-792-ge8df799: Add KiSS team to CREDITS.txt. (3 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/e8df7991bbd0 16:44:22 Keskitalo [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11.0-3-g4f901fb: Add KiSS team to CREDITS.txt. (3 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/4f901fb654fa 16:44:25 Where are CSZO and Somatika located? CDO is USA East Coast, right? 16:44:34 <|amethyst> dpeg: CDO is Germany, silly :) 16:44:44 s/CDO/CAO/ oops 16:44:45 ??cszo 16:44:45 cszo[1/5]: New ser'er in Pennsylvania, US: crawl.s-z.org -- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use tha {CAO key} or tha password "crawlin'tothausa". In case o' DNS problems, use crawl.dobrazupa.org 16:44:50 ??csn 16:44:50 csn[1/1]: Webtiles trunk ser'er at crawlus.somatika.net (US). Don'tve its own bot yet, but Sequell knows aboot games played thar. 16:45:00 I forget where csn is exactly 16:45:01 <|amethyst> dpeg: CSZO is eastern US (Pennsylvania), CAO is western US now (Arizona), and CSN is... Nevada maybe? 16:45:13 <|amethyst> if so, western US 16:45:15 thanks 16:46:29 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:34 <|amethyst> could maybe exaggerate the speed of maces and the size of long blades to distinguish them more 16:46:43 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:47:09 is CSN = Somatika? 16:47:13 <|amethyst> yes 16:47:24 I'll write Nevada :) 16:48:39 <|amethyst> that's purely based on a whois... it could just be hosted at an ISP that is based on Nevada 16:50:10 Which of these servers has webtiles? 16:50:20 <|amethyst> all but CDO 16:50:25 <|amethyst> all but CSN have console 16:50:47 * dpeg is mortally afraid that some day we'll have to list the one or two servers still catering for console. 16:50:52 |amethyst: thanks 16:50:54 <|amethyst> (CDO has webtiles, but I doubt it will get 0.11 before the tournament) 16:51:54 we can say Europe is sane, all tiles are on the other side of the pond 16:52:27 (which is not good for people's pings...) 16:52:56 unfortunately those crazy european tiles players are not so happy, yes 16:53:00 <|amethyst> Webtiles are a European conspiracy to destroy Amurika 16:53:34 <|amethyst> much like socialism 16:53:43 1. Introduce Webtiles, 2. ???, 3. Destroy America 16:54:34 edlothiol: sounds like a plan! 16:54:54 just haven't figured out the middle part yet 16:55:12 Boris will see to that. 16:55:51 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-11-tournament 16:55:52 -!- Keratin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:57 now is the time for quick changes 16:56:33 first sentence is missing something at the end 16:57:11 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 16:57:18 you should also state the CDO webtiles things more carefully or people will panic 16:57:39 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:42 since they'll think "oh no, no more CDO webtiles ever", and that isn't clear at all 16:58:15 ok 16:59:11 done 16:59:50 it isn't clear that CDO will continue to have webtiles either, though 17:00:16 also it currently has webtiles I think? just not 0.11? 17:00:27 <|amethyst> Napkin mentioned something about a new server at some point 17:00:55 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:00:55 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:01:02 perhaps someone should edit that sentence who actually knows about webtiles =) 17:02:15 how about "The future of CDO webtiles is still unclear, but it won't have 0.11 in time for the tournament -- apologies for that." 17:02:28 aside from fixing the webtiles sentence (I don't know the status of it well enough myself), the only change I'd make is s/takes part in/will count for/ (in the first sentence) 17:02:37 <|amethyst> working on it 17:02:39 !seen Napkin 17:02:40 I last saw Napkin at Wed Oct 10 10:27:41 2012 UTC (11h 34m 58s ago) saying i just set the dns entry on ##crawl-dev. 17:02:47 |amethyst: thank you 17:03:13 elliptic: the annoying part when foreigners do something: have to correct their grammar mistakes :) 17:04:12 I'll do an announcement on the forum and ask folks to spread the word (SA, reddit and whatnot) 17:04:14 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:27 dpeg: with the change I just suggested and edlothiol's sentence inside the parentheses, it looks good to me :) thanks for writing it 17:04:29 <|amethyst> hm 17:04:43 <|amethyst> should the CAO link go to CAO's front page or to CAO webtiles? 17:06:12 elliptic: no problem, happy to help 17:06:17 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:06:23 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 17:06:45 It is always tiles, tiles, tiles. When I was young, the only thing we had was projectiles. 17:07:18 |amethyst: hm, what is even the CAO webtiles link :P 17:07:42 <|amethyst> webtiles.akrasiac.org --redirect-> crawl.akrasiac.org:8080 17:08:11 aha, I tried tiles.akrasiac.org but not that 17:08:29 <|amethyst> I guess I'll link to the frontpage 17:08:39 I'd add a link to the "how to play online" page, but make the links go to the frontpages 17:08:41 <|amethyst> that should have a link to webtiles sometime before the tournament 17:09:42 dpeg: I don't see the changes to the announcement... maybe you didn't save them yet? 17:09:48 <|amethyst> I just saved 17:10:01 ah, cool :) 17:10:09 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:10:20 also, the announcement should maybe be in the tournament category ;) 17:11:20 probably it should also be in whatever category it needs to be to show up under latest news? since that's where other recent tournament annoucements have been 17:11:58 <|amethyst> there 17:12:02 <|amethyst> put it in tournament and news 17:12:17 thanks :) 17:12:23 <|amethyst> I release my lock :) 17:13:06 also, the CAO info on http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto needs to be updated if CAO is now officially back up 17:13:35 <|amethyst> it's not 17:13:45 <|amethyst> There's been no announcement 17:13:59 ok 17:14:16 <|amethyst> I was planning on letting rax handle that, but I guess I could if rax is too busy 17:14:28 <|amethyst> the front page still says "CAO is down" 17:17:46 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18:06 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:18:18 being up but unannounced is good 17:18:46 (at least for a short time) 17:19:24 already comments 17:21:39 <|amethyst> I approved it 17:22:02 -!- ogsus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 17:24:30 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:54 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:27:59 -!- ogsus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 17:30:46 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:26 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:43 if we are ready to be up I can change the front page 17:31:44 rax: You have 8 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:31:51 also do we have scoring or should I poke at it? 17:32:01 <|amethyst> I didn't do anything for the scoring scripts 17:32:05 <|amethyst> or henzell 17:32:20 <|amethyst> those are the only two things missing AFAIK 17:32:57 henzell I am not 100% sure what to do because of there being changes 17:32:57 <|amethyst> well, that and a Sequell update 17:33:00 but scoring I am looking at now 17:33:08 <|amethyst> rax: Wensley was offering to help with that 17:33:18 that would be sweet 17:33:57 <|amethyst> I can give him an account if you'd like 17:34:08 <|amethyst> if you and he aren't online at the same time 17:34:38 that's fine with me 17:34:54 <|amethyst> !tell Wensley contact either me or rax about getting an account on CAO so we can get henzell up and running 17:34:54 |amethyst: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 17:35:13 <|amethyst> I've gtg for a bit, let me know if you need anything 17:35:50 * kilobyte dangles a free Slashdot shirt again -- for US people. Just tell me a shipping address someone. 17:36:36 |amethyst: do we have mysql running with scoring stuff yet? 17:36:58 nop 17:36:59 kilobyte: galehar was soooo close 17:37:02 wonder if it's even installed 17:44:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte: sure 17:44:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 17:46:47 -!- Pthing has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47:35 |amethyst: scoring database is theoretically being repopulated 17:48:02 edlothiol: now we now that step 2 is: 1. webtiles. 2. kilobyte's shirt only for US. 3. Destroy America! 17:48:32 taken 17:48:37 dpeg: we might need a step 2.5 17:48:57 should we make a donation to those fine folks from Al Quaeda? Looks like that's their plan. 17:51:48 kilobyte: they have their eyes set on other countries as well. Not Poland though, it seems :) 17:54:57 |amethyst: where are the milestones and logfiles for the git trunk versions? 17:55:43 <|amethyst> rax: /chroot/crawl-master/crawl-git/saves/ (also /chroot/crawl-master/crawl-0.11/saves/ for 0.11---it's not in the old place) 17:55:58 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:58 okay 17:56:06 I don't know yet how to integrate 0.11, I am doing the existing stuff first 17:56:38 good evening rax and |amethyst. ramethyst. 17:57:02 <|amethyst> |ax magic 17:57:39 -!- ldierk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:43 -!- ldierk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:50 okay the scoring script is now running 17:57:54 hell yes 17:57:59 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:58:06 <3 <3 <3 17:59:03 ...wait false alarm, one more broken symlink :P 17:59:05 * dpeg is excited about player and games stats :) 18:00:23 it is freaking out with warnings at me but I am not sure I need to care 18:02:24 <|amethyst> !learn add sulking_sword The singing sword doesn't like being silenced. 18:02:25 sulking sword[1/1]: The singing sword doesn't like being silenced. 18:02:29 <|amethyst> doh 18:03:02 -!- moip has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:36 scoring is (temporarily?) set up in /home/rax/scoring 18:05:13 and the database is regenerating 18:10:40 the web page is RST+ACT compliant 18:10:58 wait, https only, http works 18:12:26 (having both HTTPS Everywhere + HTTPS Finder enabled can lead to gotchas when troubleshooting :p) 18:12:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18:16 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:20:23 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:50 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:22:51 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:02 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32:56 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 18:36:01 <|amethyst> Wensley: so what changes do you have, beyond the encoding fixes? 18:36:37 |amethyst: a few good ones and a few frivolous ones. I will revert the latter and push the result to github, where you can review the changes at your leisure 18:37:03 <|amethyst> well, I have no experience with setting up henzell 18:37:18 -!- spacewolf009 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:37:31 I am the world's foremost henzell expert 18:37:43 <|amethyst> besides greensnark anyway :) 18:37:53 in that case, there were no frivolous changes made, did I say frivolous changes, I meant extremely important enhancements 18:38:04 !rng @goodchar 18:38:04 The RNG chooses: MuAK. 18:38:06 for instance 18:39:08 Wensley: tell us more about the not-frivolous changes, please. 18:39:26 <|amethyst> ctrl-q 18:39:28 <|amethyst> doh 18:41:09 !abyss it 18:41:10 BlastHardcheese casts a spell. it is devoured by a tear in reality! 18:41:31 !cheers Wensley 18:41:32 * Wenzell slides a shot glass of bourbon across the bar to Wensley, on the house. 18:41:34 !beer Sequell 18:42:29 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 18:44:37 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:44 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 18:45:41 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 18:46:10 A simple Cocytus layout (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6300) by infiniplex 18:46:26 |amethyst: Add values to the end list (append): 18:46:38 this grammer does not seem right? 18:46:55 dolorous hasn't fixed it yet, so maybe it is :P 18:46:58 :) 18:48:21 <|amethyst> oops 18:48:25 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:28 -!- johnthebear has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:12 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-793-g6d26b94: Grammar fix (galefury). (2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/6d26b944174e 18:53:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 19:00:33 dpeg: well you can do this: 19:00:38 !rng @char*10 19:00:38 The RNG chooses: DrFi HEFi DsDK MfAr TeSt MuHu MfSk DEFE DrWz TrTm. 19:00:56 and elliott has made numerous improvements to !apt 19:01:01 Wensley: that is not frivolous at all 19:01:11 and I added !abyss and !cheers 19:01:25 well these are the non-frivolous ones! 19:01:30 cheers needs randomisation at the "on the house" 19:01:33 for a frivolous one: 19:01:36 ??dpeg 19:01:36 oh, what are the others? 19:01:36 dpeg[1/6]: If'n ye cannae be bothard ta type it inta tha wiki, we cannae be bothard ta flesh it out or code it. Use tha wiki! 19:02:07 The truth spoken out of a wise man's mouth, if a little muffled. 19:02:23 frivolous is pinging me whenever somebody uses !help 19:02:40 dpeg: I was thinking of instituting a tab system, where you are charged according to the quantity and type of liquor you happen to order, but that seemed too complicated 19:02:53 Wensley: yes :) 19:03:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:03:44 err, !cmdinfo 19:05:05 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:09:02 HangedMan: sadly I will probably revert !hangedman 19:10:42 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:11:24 finally 19:11:48 1tell mu * Mu_ has quit (Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.) finally 19:15:53 -!- ldierk_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:17:32 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:35 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:18:52 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:20:37 -!- naaaalis has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 19:22:15 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:22:25 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:31:15 -!- serious_jules has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:43 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 19:52:24 -!- Sab0t_ is now known as Sab0t 19:52:35 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:53:04 -!- tensorpudding_ has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:55:28 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:04:57 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:18 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:48 hiya 20:13:58 bh: greet 20:14:24 Ok, I don't know if anyone reads Goblins! the webcomic. 20:14:35 did they mention crawl 20:14:36 But after todays page I want to be able to eat potions. 20:14:40 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:43 http://goblinscomic.com/ 20:14:47 Nah. 20:14:47 ghallberg: potions of porridge yo 20:15:06 Nah, you still drink those. 20:15:14 I'm talking about chewing the frigging bottle up. 20:15:50 ghallberg: saprovore 3? 20:16:57 Wensley: any abyss FRs? I'm going to port the NewAbyss layout 20:17:09 being reminded of how goofy the transparent lip/cheeks are kind of ruins the look of somebody jamming healing potions into their mouth 20:18:50 bh: I'll need to play in it some, I hear there are some rad new monsters 20:19:01 Wensley: Apocalypse Crab will make you cry. 20:19:15 I will work on a crab genus once moths are done 20:19:16 read: never 20:19:26 (they would go on Q) 20:20:18 dpeg: oh, !proselytize is another very silly one 20:20:29 !proselytize Wensley 20:20:30 Glory to WENSLEY! 20:20:42 now say something 20:20:43 Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:20:46 oh wait 20:20:49 you did it to meeee 20:20:53 !messages 20:20:54 (1/1) elliott said (about -275y 50w 5d 8h 35m 14s ago): Praise WENSLEY! For it is good to sing praises to our WENSLEY; for it is pleasant and praise is becoming 20:21:07 there are like 170 random messages 20:21:34 I just googled for "bible verses praising god" and then s/LORD/WENSLEY 20:22:00 that is one that probably will not be making the jump 20:22:24 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 20:23:34 Wensley: Have you read Canticle for Leibowitz? 20:23:46 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 20:23:52 bh: nope 20:24:22 The thing you are doing, it is dangerous. (The story is about a post-apocalyptic world in which people find the bomb shelter of Leibowitz and believe that he's the messiah) 20:24:29 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:24:58 bh: dammit, this guy stole my idea 20:25:36 just like alan moore stole my idea to use a fake alien menace to unite humanity against a common foe 20:25:59 -!- Daekdroom has quit [*.net *.split] 20:26:00 -!- voker57 has quit [*.net *.split] 20:26:00 -!- elliptic has quit [*.net *.split] 20:26:07 except that these were both things I was actually going to do in real life, but not now that people are going to think that I just cribbed their ideas 20:26:35 <|amethyst> I'm going to go Godwin on that last one 20:26:40 one of these days I'll become a real person who writes things 20:28:01 |amethyst: speaking of Godwin, this guy was a stupendous badass: http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/#!exhibit:exhibitId=QR_UaCtP 20:28:26 Wensley: if you haven't read it, I suggest Vonnegut's Mother Night. It's about a man who pretends to be a Nazi while really being an American double agent 20:29:41 there are too many books I have never read 20:31:37 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 20:32:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:50 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:01 <|amethyst> I should get back into reading now that I'm out of grad school 20:39:13 <|amethyst> reading books, I mean 20:39:52 |amethyst: you should start by self-archiving your papers so that people can read them without paying IEEE 20:40:14 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:41:28 but will this reading produce appropiate quotes that aren't just random pieces of text containing the name of the monster/item 20:42:07 -!- ajikeshi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:42:27 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:42:47 HangedMan: we want quotes for descript/? 20:43:21 more like the transifex stuff is going to end up giving everything a quote eventually 20:43:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 20:43:34 oh? 20:45:19 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:46:02 -!- SlyShy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:46:07 -!- serious_jules has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47:17 -!- jeek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:12 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:54:18 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:54:23 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:20 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:17 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 21:13:43 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:27 -!- zencephalon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:19:01 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:03 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:25:55 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:27:53 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:31:37 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32:22 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:36:55 -!- maha has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:54 -!- Flunbolic is now known as Flun 21:41:19 -!- Stumpsv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:53 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:01 -!- Phoenixzeus has quit [Client Quit] 21:51:49 -!- Flun is now known as Flunbolic 21:53:32 -!- zencephalon1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:42 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:04:08 not telling us what armour we just put on. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6301) by codrus 22:04:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:04 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-793-g6d26b94 22:07:40 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:09:33 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:09:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:11:38 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:39 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:18:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:21:47 -!- eb has quit [] 22:23:38 -!- DaneiTWO has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:14 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:32:38 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 22:38:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:39:14 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:39:38 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 22:43:52 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 22:47:56 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:04 -!- Flunbolic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:50:19 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:48 -!- voker57_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:39 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:53:38 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 22:56:07 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:57:59 Okay, how should kraken interact with teleport traps? (And possibly other sources of teleport, but those especially). The current code is moderately confused in that regard, in that one part of it explicitly reacts to tentacles being teleported, while another part of it expressly prevents them from teleporting. Current interaction with traps is buggy for a semi-related reason, and definitely needs to be changed in one way or another. 22:58:23 -!- seriosu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:58:33 Since it basically results in the tentacle stepping over the trap, disconnecting itself, and sometimes hitting you before vanishing 23:00:22 There is code already in place to just dismiss tentacles that get teleported, and this works fine if they're actually allowed to do so (and fixes the above bug for MOST cases, though not all of them) 23:03:01 It feels slightly odd to me that kraken tentacles would be able to just slide over teleport traps without effect, though maybe it would be better to just teleport the tentacle to some other spot within reach of the kraken? (That might be tricky, though). Or it could teleport the whole monster, possibly? Somewhat iffy on that one. 23:04:03 how does passage of golubria currently work against kraken 23:05:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:27 Does it suffer from the same bugs, you mean? More or less. It will disconnect itself over traps (and sometimes hit you for a while, until it moves even FURTHER away from the portal and then the whole thing vanishes with an error) 23:05:33 Oh, oops 23:05:34 Misread 23:05:46 Somehow I parsed 'malign gateway' out of that >.> 23:06:08 It had somehow not occured to me to check passage of golubria. I will do so now 23:10:05 Okay, it looks like they will blink through the portals as you might expect, disconnecting the tentacle in the process. The heads then vanish on the next turn. If tentacle SEGMENTS pass through the portals, they do not interact with them at all 23:10:52 Well, I guess they don't pass 'through' the portal at all, then. Let's say 'occupy the same space' 23:17:51 Anyone have any opinions on the initial question? 23:19:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:20:01 scoring scripts are... still processing 23:20:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 23:21:54 264000 games added to the database so far 23:23:47 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:48 i would say just don't teleport tentacles at all when they go over tele/golubria traps 23:28:01 because tentacle magic or something 23:28:51 Haha. A plausible answer, that. I guess it's just that it does feel strange for them to essentially walk right over teleport traps to hit you, when basically no other monster can do this. But there do also seem to be issues with other things to do to them 23:30:08 it seems better than instantly killing them or whatever, yeah 23:30:53 And I guess they're currently just immune to most distortion effects 23:31:17 Well, it doesn't actually damage the kraken when they die this way, in case you were wondering 23:31:54 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:32:34 right but just disappearing is still weird imo 23:33:02 I do agree, actually 23:33:17 -!- Rewans has quit [] 23:33:21 I wonder if I should just try to place it in some random place that's still attached to the body? If that doesn't end up being a huge headache 23:34:08 i guess maybe that is a better solution if it's possible, yeah, but just not teleporting sounds simpler and still fine to me :P 23:34:21 Yeah, I'll look into how much difficulty it ends up being 23:34:33 Making them just not teleport still requires fixing at least one other bug, though 23:35:48 Though that needs to be fixed anyway, since it causes them to bug out with sanctuary 23:36:07 (I wonder if anyone has EVER used sanctuary against a kraken in a real game?) 23:37:29 Tentacles will repeatedly waltz right into it and disconnect themselves over and over again. At least they don't go as far as to actually HIT you while you're inside it, though 23:40:34 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:39 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:48:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:53:51 reaching weapons still work across teleport traps, so it's believable that kraken tentacles could too I guess 23:54:18 DracoOmega: tell bh to implement chaos krakens 23:54:25 then people will use sanctuary against them 23:54:31 !tell bh chaos krakens 23:54:31 Wensley: OK, I'll let bh know. 23:54:52 don't worry, I did it for you just now 23:55:09 Oh dear 23:55:35 Well, all this work I'm doing WAS for an abyssal monster with tentacles, you know :P 23:55:48 I did not! 23:55:57 better get to it first 23:56:20 What started as a relatively simple idea has been greatly slowed by kraken tentacle code being... unfun 23:56:29 so I hear 23:56:50 Steady progress, though, if slow 23:57:05 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:50 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed]