00:00:21 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:47 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-754-ge10bc5c (34) 00:00:59 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-754-ge10bc5c (34) 00:04:04 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:43 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-754-ge10bc5c 00:11:08 Hmmm... seems eldritch tentacle sections count as firewood, and kraken ones do not. I'm not actually sure what in-game effect of relevance this has, but they probably ought to count as the same thing, no? 00:17:48 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:22:18 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 00:23:17 -!- greatorbofeyes has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:50 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:24:36 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:24:47 dracoomega: monsters will attack eldritch tentacle segments to move around / get to the player, won't for kraken 00:25:28 I had sort of gathered this is what happens, but do you think that makes sense and/or is intended? 00:26:24 reallybannoyed me in early wizlab_golubria drafts but when I last asked about I think someone said it'd break stuff? 00:26:50 to fix 00:27:41 Really? Do you recall WHAT sort of stuff it would break? 00:27:45 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:28:39 no, but I guess you could search s-z.org 00:29:40 Because if it's something about the tentacle code itself, I feel I've sort of ended up volunteering to fix that. (Why me? T.T) 00:30:13 infinite broken things in crawl code 00:31:15 Some of this I'd be happier not to touch, but I don't feel I can, in good conscience, leave some of it alone 00:31:24 Like, say, time-independent tentacle movement >.> 00:31:27 -!- maha has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 00:31:46 (some day somebody will fix spectral plants, or rF+++ merfolk confusedly walking through lava, or dancing bows, or) 00:32:21 I am still amazed how no one managed to notice that bit 00:32:24 In all this time 00:32:39 I'm not sure how *I* managed not to notice it in all this time, just from fighting dozens of them 00:33:26 or reversed rarity logic in zot mon-pick, or 00:33:42 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:48 Well, the mon-pick logic is already on the block for rewrite, at least 00:34:03 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:29 supmoths blocking innate amulet stuff, or rolling boulder beetles not blinking right, or vampire mage throws 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??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 11:21:56 decayed bog body (03n) | Spd: 10 (swim: 140%) | HD: 3 | HP: 15-24 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 25, 412(cold:3-8) | 07undead, 10doors, amphibious, evil, spellcaster, 07vault | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire, 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 50 | Sp: throw frost (3d5), slow, corpse rot | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:21:56 <|amethyst> %??decayed bog body 11:22:04 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:20 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:55 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:50 |amethyst: re http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/.mailmap -- would it cause much work to fix my capitalization there? 11:28:29 minmay on forum: "Undead were changed from having rP+ to rP+++. The changelog probably didn't mention this because it is the Crawl changlog." 11:29:19 venom bolt, worst spell forever 11:33:03 -!- ncampion has quit [Quit: ncampion] 11:33:45 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:37:32 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:40:39 -!- Garhauk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:54 <|amethyst> %git 4756cb1c 11:41:55 ChrisOelmueller * 0.12-a0-614-g4756cb1: Add another English alias for LANG_LV (3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/4756cb1c4950 11:42:03 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: fixed 11:43:23 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44:04 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 11:45:40 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:37 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:48:14 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50:11 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:51:28 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:03 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 12:00:28 |amethyst: thanks :) 12:02:47 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:27 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:52 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22:03 dpeg: the real reason why it didn't mention it was that the commit that made the change said nothing about it 12:22:34 part of attempts to make the undead resists more universal and less nonsensical? 12:22:35 but kilobyte refused to answer when I asked whether the change was intentional, so I guess it was 12:24:14 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33:22 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:37 -!- ncampion has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:38:01 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:27 -!- ZRN has quit [] 12:39:41 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:54 -!- Hyphen-ated has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41:57 -!- moip has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:44:31 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:54 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:54:06 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:12 -!- Rikter|a has quit [Client Quit] 12:57:23 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58:30 -!- whog has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:05 -!- ncampion has quit [Quit: ncampion] 13:07:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:07 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 13:14:22 -!- kwel01 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:14 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:33 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:04 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:43 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:50 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:26 Blood and souls for Xom 13:34:18 bh: you know that entry vault with the teleporters you threw out? I'm trying it out as a hells stair vault 13:34:32 erm, teleport trap 13:34:50 HangedMan: oh god why...? 13:35:03 because hells 13:35:22 also it is a nice effect to work back to the place you already saw after a teleport 13:37:42 know where it would be even better? Slime. 13:37:53 * bh hates the player 13:38:02 hi 13:38:24 slime vaults have to look natural for the most part and it'd break connectivity much worse in places besides hells 13:42:14 HangedMan: are you putting a glass wall between up and down? By that point everyone will have blink 13:43:29 blink doesn't go through glass for players, filling the room with monsters will block ctele 13:44:04 or to make sure they see the stairs there could just be very tight confines to make the chance of teleporting to the >s very low 13:44:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:48:03 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Quit: TTFN!] 13:57:31 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:57:49 -!- MPR has quit [] 14:02:28 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:23 -!- Ganrao has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:30 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:05:26 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:31 -!- antrees has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:06:33 -!- monqy has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:09:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 14:10:08 -!- ncampion has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:10:08 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:04 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:24 why do spriggan air mages have swiftness 14:15:14 because monster spriggans are slightly slower than player spriggans 14:15:14 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:18 but for some reason have high action speed 14:15:33 (why do monster spriggans have high action speed) 14:15:39 why haven't monster spriggans/centaurs had their action speeds dialed down yet 14:17:17 (give centaurs faster missile speed still) 14:17:41 is missile speed even athing 14:17:43 a thing 14:17:49 deep elf master archer (15e) | Spd: 10 (msl: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 65-84 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Dam: 25, 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1511 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 14:17:49 %??deep elf master archer 14:19:30 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:19 elliptic: the citation wasn't meant as cricitism (except of minmay, perhaps) 14:23:40 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:23:58 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:58 -!- Kasz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:24:18 -!- the_glow has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:25:10 -!- ClawlessVictory has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:28:13 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:29:10 -!- bobbo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:22 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:12 elliptic: making all undead rPois+++ was mostly straightening some oddity 14:34:24 (and I don't recall being asked about it) 14:35:17 I fail to see why any would not be immune to poison, except vampires who are only half undead theme-wise (and especially for player vampires) 14:35:36 venom bolt, beyond useless 14:36:40 -!- antrees has quit [Client Quit] 14:38:37 sting, early VM 14:40:24 then I guess these spells should be resistable a bit less than 100% 14:43:10 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:55:05 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:55:07 <|amethyst> not sure about Sting, but that makes sense for venom bolt 14:56:54 starting spells being useless against certainly fairly common classes of monsters is pretty traditional, isn't it? 14:58:56 my purpose was cleanup rather than making the spell 100% (rather than mostly) useless, but I'm not sure if whittling some zombie with Sting is "fun" worth keeping 15:00:34 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:00:47 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:46 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:23 kilobyte: I don't object to the change, I just was rather surprised when I found the commit where the change happened, and I wanted to make sure it was intentional 15:02:28 %git 6e9b297f 15:02:29 kilobyte * 0.11-a0-2957-g6e9b297: Don't use objects with strange constructors for storing monster resists. (3 months ago, 14 files, 136+ 304-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/6e9b297febed 15:02:51 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:02:55 I do think that more stuff should have rPois+++ if every single undead is going to have it 15:03:29 air elemental (15E) | Spd: 25 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 15 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 223 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 15:03:29 %??air elemental 15:03:37 green death (032) | Spd: 11 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-89 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 32 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(156), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1641 | Sp: poison arrow (3d20), poisonous cloud (3d9), b.venom (3d18) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 15:03:37 %??green death 15:03:53 orange crystal statue (048) | Spd: 6 | HD: 10 | HP: 160 | AC/EV: 20/1 | 11non-living | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 150 | Sz: Large | Int: high. 15:03:53 %??orange crystal statue 15:04:06 poor parrow 15:05:44 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:45 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:53 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:12 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:53 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:56 -!- Ganrao has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:08:28 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:03 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 15:09:33 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09:34 what about making monster rPois binary, like player rPois already is? 15:10:02 ++ 15:10:12 -!- ncampion has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10:14 probably we'd want to tweak the poison arrow irresistibility percentage a bit, and maybe make regular poison a little bit unresistable as well 15:10:42 -!- DainHome has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:22 maybe elec as well 15:11:58 I'm not sure we gain enough with the multiple levels of resistance to compensate for added complexity and asymmetry with player resistances 15:12:52 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:50 well, outright immunity sounds good for a handful of things (elec probably shouldn't ever hurt electric golems) 15:14:26 -!- Garhauk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:39 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:16:20 -!- Garhauk_ is now known as Garhauk 15:16:21 could just have two levels 15:16:26 well, we already special-case sixfirhies to do something special there... maybe it isn't worth it for elec though, yeah 15:16:27 resistant and immune 15:16:40 for both elec and poison 15:17:07 that wouldn't save that much because rPois++ and rElec++ are already fairly rare 15:17:25 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:32 <|amethyst> aren't player undead completely immune to poison? 15:17:49 |amethyst: they can't get the poison status, but they still take 1/3 damage afaik 15:18:36 <|amethyst> maybe that should be true for monster unliving/undead, then 15:19:00 <|amethyst> doesn't need to be a two-level resist or anything; that can be special-cased on holiness 15:21:51 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:51 being able to specify immunity without special casing is nice, could just eliminate all cases of rPois++ 15:25:02 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 15:26:58 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:27:15 yeah, for rPois at least I think that we should be able to eliminate rPois+++ and rPois++... maybe less good an idea for elec 15:27:59 I mean, players already have two levels: rPois+ and immunity 15:28:29 (plus rPois0, plus rPois-) 15:30:51 kilobyte: difference between rPois+ and undead is pretty tiny unless you are letting stuff hit you with lots of poison arrows 15:30:57 (for player) 15:31:41 <|amethyst> no poison status from redbacks etc isn't exactly tiny 15:32:13 |amethyst: it really is, potions of curing are plentiful 15:32:22 <|amethyst> I was thinking mummy 15:32:31 <|amethyst> but yeah 15:32:49 |amethyst: well, you compare mummy with someone who isn't undead (and thus can drink potions) 15:32:56 I'm not saying we should let mummies get poisoned 15:33:13 there's a difference between burning a "plentiful" resource you need for other purposes and being immune 15:33:24 just that this isn't anywhere near as big a difference as between rPois+ and rPois+++ for monsters currently 15:33:33 -!- ldierk has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:34:23 I'd rather remove rPois+++ and rPois++ for monsters and just say that being undead or construct means that you can't get poison status 15:34:32 I'd say mummies but not some monsters suffering damage from poison spells is a bug. The spell either has a physical component (and thus needs to be <100% resistible) or is pure poison (and then there should be no damage). 15:34:44 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:39 kilobyte: see my suggestion above 15:36:19 ie, having everyone get partial damage from Venom Bolt 15:36:32 Autoexplore shows player above tile with stuff on it but is actually on it (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6291) by zkyp 15:36:46 kilobyte: yeah 15:42:45 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:46:12 -!- chlorine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47:41 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:17 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 15:54:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:51 -!- Panfork has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:01:47 -!- codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:30 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:06:06 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:07 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10:24 -!- ncampion has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:10:37 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:13:55 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:49 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:07 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:16:59 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:18:27 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:37 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 16:23:24 -!- HangedMan is now known as GreatOrbOfEyes 16:23:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:25:21 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:25:34 -!- jj99 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:55 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:27 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:26:44 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:26:54 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:32:09 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 16:35:29 -!- Neula has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:35 -!- onwiheg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:41:31 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:46 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:41 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:43 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 16:56:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is down for major renovations, front page updated with news, try CSZO instead! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 17:04:11 -!- NoahTheDuke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:04:12 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:29 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:29 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:07 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:06 -!- ncampion has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:12:27 -!- Ashenden has quit [] 17:13:41 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:13:44 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:50 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:29 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:42 -!- rkd has quit [] 17:33:53 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 17:34:52 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:37:21 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39:57 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:41:19 -!- zencephalon is now known as SlyShy 17:48:57 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:38 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:19 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: SurpriseTRex] 18:02:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06:52 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:08 -!- ncampion has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:18:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:19:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:57 -!- kwel01 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26:36 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:32:25 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 18:40:13 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:45:46 -!- Benhimself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48:16 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:54:02 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 18:54:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:28 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:49 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00:57 -!- trapworth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:04:09 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 19:09:43 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:13:34 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:19 -!- ncampion has quit [Quit: ncampion] 19:21:23 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:23:44 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:25:21 -!- VG has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:41:41 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:12 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:50:58 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:52:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:58 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:01:22 -!- StekarDraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:01:40 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:44 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:34 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:26:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:22 evenin' 20:31:14 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:35 -!- Neula has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:33:35 -!- crate has quit [] 20:37:06 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 20:38:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:45:40 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:47:27 !tell HangedMan I've added a Xom acts death curse to the bear 20:47:28 bh: OK, I'll let HangedMan know. 20:48:29 bh: it should have a zom-acts spell too 20:48:32 xom* 20:49:08 ontoclasm: I can *probably* make one of those. How on earth should it handle summons though? 20:49:21 hm? 20:49:35 Xom can only act on *you* 20:50:18 ah 20:55:05 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:57:21 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59:13 -!- trapworth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:02:09 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:21 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07:59 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 21:12:20 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:13:29 -!- notthepope has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:29 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:28:54 ontoclasm: https://gist.github.com/3850417 21:29:27 beautfiul 21:29:35 warwick von hugsford <3 21:29:51 I'll need to special case it so it says something like "Xom says, 'Time to have fun'" 21:32:52 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:32:54 -!- Rewans has quit [] 21:32:55 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:31 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36:57 -!- elliott_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:00 -!- elliott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:42 hrm. Can't figure out where this is controlled. Do different gods just speak in different colors? 21:41:27 -!- CampinSam has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:04 hm? 21:45:45 -!- SlyShy has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:47:14 what happens is if the channel supplied to mpr is MSGCH_GOD the param parameter is what god to print as (if 0, your current god) which then dictates what colour the message will be 21:47:37 isn't there a simple_god_say also 21:47:38 see: simple_god_message, god_speaks, god_colour, channel_to_msgcol 21:47:41 yes 21:47:59 simple_god_message calls god_speaks which calls mpr which calls a thing which calls channel_to_msgcol which calls god_colour 21:50:43 simple_god_message is where the "god says" gets tacked on 21:50:58 so if that's what you want then use simple_god_message it's simple 21:51:21 monqy: I don't actually want to call anything. I just want to dispatch to xom_acts and do no extra work 21:51:33 what are you trying to do 21:51:46 monqy: Add a death curse to Warwick von Hugsford 21:51:52 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 21:51:55 mhm 21:52:13 and will the death curse affect the player always or whatever monster that kills the bear 21:52:50 monqy: I'm not going to retrofit xom wrath to hit monsters. I can have it to something different to non-player killers if people want. 21:53:00 ok 21:53:29 should make it polymorph a non-player monster that kills it into a bear 21:53:49 should make it polymorph a non-player monster that kills it into the bear 21:53:52 then you have to kill it again 21:53:54 summoner nerf???? 21:54:02 <|amethyst> or split off melee_attack::chaos_affects_defender 21:54:12 you people are evil :) 21:57:42 probably what i'd do is not special case it but instead add in a flavour message to make the xom speech from xom_acts make sense 21:58:01 -!- trapworth has quit [Client Quit] 21:58:07 probably what i'd do is not make a thing that's really asymmetric between players and monsters 21:58:13 probably what i'd do is not give the bear a death curse 21:58:18 probably what i'd do is not make the bear 21:58:21 so do whatever i guess 21:58:22 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00:29 probably what I'd do is be courteous in my disagreement 22:02:48 This entire game is asymmetric between players and monsters. 22:03:02 that's a bad thing that should be fixed 22:03:07 in most cases anyhow 22:03:21 some cases are justified gameplay wise 22:03:40 but lazy implementation is not an excuse 22:05:14 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:03 but anyway if you really want a xom effect death curse does it have to be a special case 22:06:38 honest opinion I don't think a one-off gimmick death curse for a gimmick monster is worth adding that complexity 22:06:55 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-754-ge10bc5c 22:10:28 I'm adding a Xom-themed unique to the abyss. If you have specific suggestions that would make it less 'gimmicky' in your estimation, I'll entertain them. 22:10:40 -!- helloteam has quit [] 22:11:04 this isn't the time for me complaining about the bear's mechanics this is the time for me complaining about special-casing its death curse 22:11:42 Which I said I'm disinclined to do. 22:12:13 by special-casing here I mean special-casing xom_acts &c to print xom's name or whatever the heck you wanted in the player's case specifically 22:12:22 the asymmetry was an off-hand comment 22:14:49 calling it warwick von hugsford certainly doesn't help wrt people estimating it as gimmicky 22:15:01 elliott_: that was HangedMan and Wensley 22:15:50 hugford * 22:16:04 I'd just as well consider that a placeholder. 22:16:10 aw man 22:16:23 Zannick: I'm not getting into a landwar over a name. 22:16:35 call it megabear and call it a day 22:16:35 (I'm looking at you Greece and Macedonia) 22:17:20 monqy: was megabats you? 22:17:32 no but I sure wish I could take the blame for that 22:17:37 that was amazing 22:17:51 bh: i'm just disappointed my name suggestion is being shot down :P 22:18:17 Zannick: Hugford might be more pallatable than the aristocratic "Warwick von Hugsford" 22:18:38 they were both my suggestion 22:18:39 minus the s 22:19:04 monqy: do megabats appear in the bat vault? 22:19:07 I think the name is hilarious, personally. I may be ambivalent to a few other things about it, but I still think that's gold :P 22:19:23 bh: presumably, and I think in some other vault or two 22:19:59 FR: negabat 22:20:02 ??vampire bat 22:20:02 vampire bat[1/3]: Basically a wimpy vampire mosquito. 22:21:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:21:09 anyway do you have any opinions w/r/t using a flavour message preceeding the xom speech rather than special casing a "Xom says" into it 22:22:22 The fact that it's somewhat ambiguous that it comes from Xom in the first place isn't actually different than when you worship Xom himself, I believe. So I think that a Hugford-specific flavor message probably makes more sense than trying to change the way Xom speech is delivered 22:22:30 I'm not going to do it. Death curses area already painful enough. 22:22:59 I could just make him pop butterflies on death 22:23:28 That's definitely a gimmick. 22:24:32 i guess that resolves that 22:25:08 have you (play)tested the bear at all yet? as in to gauge its power, annoyance, &c 22:25:34 I've thrown it in the arena. It's high variance. 22:26:03 blink other makes it ill-advised to kite 22:26:44 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:55 can't really judge in-game play experience from arena 22:26:59 that's not really playtes--yeah 22:29:03 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:21 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:41:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:59 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:41:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 22:42:56 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:43:34 -!- ncampion has quit [Quit: ncampion] 22:46:08 Hugford :( 22:46:55 There are so many better names 22:47:53 phyphor: fight it out with Zannick. I simply don't care. 22:49:12 fair enough 22:52:26 phyphor: it's just a working name, so I hear, so it doesn't matter one bit at all 22:52:26 monqy: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:52:29 oh dear 22:53:11 monqy: THe problem is that it'll become the de facto name 22:53:17 and I really don't understand where it came from 22:53:21 but, c'est la vie 22:53:35 de facto name is "the bear" 22:53:36 i'm okay with better names 22:53:38 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:52 but you have to suggest better names :P 22:55:17 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:33 Theodore 22:55:46 Theodore the Bear is Xom's teddy bear 22:57:33 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:45 -!- Insomniak` has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:54 yo 23:03:57 yo 23:04:06 i want to get crawl compiled 23:04:12 on this ppc mac 23:04:29 not joking 23:05:40 -!- Sorbius_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:05:40 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:05:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:07:54 -!- infiniplex has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:07 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:29 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:41 -!- Panfork has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:12:15 Insomniak`: that sounds no fun. I had trouble getting it to compile on an intel mac for a while 23:12:57 okey well 23:13:25 I've got it running on an intel mac here, in terminal 23:13:51 which is how I usually play it 23:15:48 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 23:17:33 -!- hangedman has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:18:48 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:40 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 23:24:57 I have been informed that my layout_??? scripts are unreadable in LUA (I agree). Should I port them to C++? 23:25:21 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:34 I originally wrote them in C++, so it would not be too hard 23:25:43 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 23:26:44 hey, does silence/suppression show up on walls in console? 23:26:47 i don't think it does 23:28:46 infiniplex: wouldn't it make more sense to make them readable? 23:29:00 I doubt they'd get any more readable by making them c++... 23:31:41 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:31:52 They are mostly unreadable because they are long. They were a bit better in C++, but not a lot; syntax highlighting helped. 23:33:43 Oh wonderful. I have now managed to make the game crash without even a crash log whenever a tentacle dies -.- 23:33:45 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:56 At least I think that's what's happening 23:34:59 The suggestion was sort of from KiloByte. I don't know if he meant I should change them. 23:35:03 infiniplex: what are your layouts doing? Want to make abyss layouts? :-D 23:35:40 new V, layout_loops 23:36:34 which layout is the new super-common one with four diamonds 23:37:24 bh, I thought brendan (is that you?) was doing abyss layouts 23:39:02 said new V has been said to have too much gimmickry and chokepoints in proportion to regular stuff and I think certain bits of luniq would help with not placing e.g. that curved pool and stairs with known zot traps vault but whatever 23:39:20 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39:41 i love new v, but i do agree it needs more "generic" rooms 23:40:23 bh wants extra variety for said abyss layouts and will take submissions 23:40:54 infiniplex: yes, that's me 23:41:12 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:26 I might do some abyss sublayouts later, right now I am thinking about other things 23:42:48 I'll probably eek out some (plain) new V rooms eventually, though I've put a lot of misc vault stuff on my plate 23:43:02 heh 23:43:51 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:25 I agree on more plain big V rooms, current set is too fancy 23:45:00 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 23:45:17 Having a lot of DIFFERENT fancy rooms is good, though, as long as their relative weights aren't overwhelming 23:46:52 I also think the "chaotic" styles are more interesting than the uniform ones 23:47:00 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 23:47:28 and the "maze" style is more interesting than the basic grid one, for example 23:47:28 oh yeah I had another question 23:48:01 -!- ncampion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:48:22 maze style looks really bad for large rooms 23:48:39 you know how items like cloak, robe, bread rations, etc have quotes from books with their information? 23:48:53 i was wondering if I could submit one for Giant Centepede 23:49:06 the relative weights of styles are just a bunch of constants 23:49:13 <|amethyst> as long as it's not from Human Centipede 23:50:21 :( 23:50:33 lol no 23:50:38 it is relevant 23:50:58 infiniplex: yeah, I was thinking of tweaking them a bit. I have the day off tomorrow, I'll probably spend it doing crawl stuff (I've been inactive for a while) 23:50:59 -!- Helmschank has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:02 it's a passage from Naked Lunch about the flesh of the giant centepede 23:51:19 <|amethyst> ooh, Naked Lunch 23:51:29 Insomniak`: quote submissions are welcome 23:51:30 http://www.sics.se/~piak/poesi/PoetryClub/NakedLunch.html 23:51:42 just the first paragraph 23:51:53 how do I formally submit that? 23:52:46 Insomniak`: first you play William Tell with your wife. Then you hide in Mexico. 23:53:04 :o 23:53:19 content submissions should go on the bug tracker here: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php 23:53:26 plain text is fine since it's just a quote, although patches are nice 23:53:29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Burroughs#Mexico_and_South_America) 23:54:07 i thought there was a transifex thing for submitting quotes to 23:54:50 oh, maybe there is now. I don't know how that stuff works 23:54:57 ? 23:55:08 me also 23:55:09 ??transifex 23:55:10 transifex[1/1]: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/dcss/ 23:55:58 Can someone translate Crawl into English (UK)? 23:57:40 evilmike: I am trying to figure out if I should port the new vault layout to C++. 23:58:07 If so, I will not have new weights (unless I can figure out how to get them from git). 23:58:15 aren't even the standard layouts like layout_roguey lua 23:59:04 infiniplex: that's in response to kilobyte's comment, right? you should ask him when he's on