00:00:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:00:36 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11.0-0-g8a98804 00:05:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-679-g4018bef (34) 00:07:53 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:57 Windows builds of pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11.0-0-g8a98804 00:09:06 -!- cbus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:09:23 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:35 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:12:13 -!- whig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:46 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:46 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 00:16:46 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:25 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:26:29 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 00:35:09 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:20 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 00:40:55 -!- bh has quit [Quit: bh] 00:56:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:58:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:06 -!- dtsund is now known as Satonakaja 01:04:34 -!- Satonakaja is now known as dtsund 01:23:50 -!- JackRogers has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120907231657]] 01:30:30 -!- maha has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 01:41:24 -!- Gilihad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:42:56 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:46:10 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:41 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:58 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: Changing server] 01:52:44 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:48 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:30 -!- lavos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:23:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:24:43 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:49 so 0.11 has been released 02:42:54 \o/ 02:42:58 thanks kilobyte 02:43:25 what are the news about the tournament? 02:43:55 -!- turmfalke__ has quit [Quit: turmfalke__] 02:44:09 would be good to give tournament dates in the 0.11 release blog posy 02:44:43 elliptic says he wants to start it a few days after CAO comes back, I think 02:46:19 any news on when CAO comes back? 02:46:19 :) 02:47:45 I have changed CDO's crontab to build trunk instead of 0.11 for mingw 02:47:47 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:47:52 should the same thing be done for CDO? 02:48:54 I hear |amethyst is working on CAO 02:49:09 has trunk been re-enabled yet on CDO? 02:49:17 ah, it hasn't 02:58:24 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 03:05:40 -!- Moredread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:34 elliott: will be tomorrow 03:09:49 I have renabled building trunk on CDO 03:10:40 -!- Staplegun has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11:56 -!- gal_bolle has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:53 cool 03:13:20 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:17:20 galehar: if we want we could start tourney without CAO, but it doesn't seem like that great an idea to me 03:19:50 -!- ev_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:27:07 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:32:13 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:32:54 -!- gastrox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:48:20 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:57:23 elliptic: yeah, I'm not saying it's urgent to do the tourney 03:57:43 just that we need to announce 0.11 and it would be nice to give the tourney date in it 03:58:11 but if we still don't know when CAO is back, fine, we just say so in the annoucement 03:58:55 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:20 !tell MarvinPA what was wrong with Prince Ribbit, Sonja, Wiglaf and Xtahua descriptions? 04:00:20 galehar: OK, I'll let MarvinPA know. 04:03:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06:09 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:33 they are super fluffy, and the wiglaf description is just terrible imo 04:08:39 a fat and ugly dwarf <3 04:08:47 also, a fish that lives in lava <3 04:08:56 rip :( 04:09:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 04:09:27 someone should write a release announcement 04:17:43 !rng alefury alefury 04:17:44 The RNG chooses: alefury. 04:19:34 i cant write 04:19:40 also i dont like to write 04:20:18 i can write it in C++ 04:20:18 anyway: lalala heres a new version, heres the highlights from the changelog, dont forget to change your config file, have fun! 04:20:28 greatzebu sent in Mac builds, lemme install them 04:20:29 thats about as good as i can do 04:22:36 release announcement: SPIDERS 04:22:45 and it's a link to the download page and that's it 04:22:54 does the release have a name yet 04:24:57 arachnophobia 04:25:22 -!- wwf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:25:41 :/ 04:25:55 Spider Scare 04:26:15 i actually am afraid of spider 04:26:42 s 04:26:43 open layout, lots of fast monsters, if you make noise you get swarmed 04:26:49 galehar: that too 04:26:51 didn't dpeg admit to be unretired? If so, he can pay the consequences. 04:26:51 s s s s 04:27:11 kilobyte: he got forcefully unrelated by |amethyst 04:27:43 ...unretired 04:27:45 typing is difficult 04:28:12 he didnt change it back, though 04:28:21 well, he has committed stuff himself 04:28:34 and is quite active on the dev wiki with random gods design 04:28:55 hes not here, though 04:33:45 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:34:57 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:29 yay for 0.11 04:40:26 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:20 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:00:04 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-679-g4018bef 05:00:07 -!- wwf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:01:38 -!- ev_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:06:34 -!- wwf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:10:39 -!- oberstein has quit [Quit: uhhh] 05:11:09 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:29 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:30 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:19:05 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:26:32 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:31:59 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41:20 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 05:53:39 -!- wwf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57:03 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:54 -!- ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 06:14:10 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-681-g0debd0f: Manual updates via the wiki. (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 21+ 19-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/0debd0f41e8c 06:14:10 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-680-gf433620: Make the '=' glyph produce runed doors. 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generation to something like 10-20% of the current amount so people know about them, and let them be used in vaults 10:08:30 for vaults, either the chances for each trap from the random trap glyph should stay the same, or all vaults with traps would need review 10:08:50 a trap vault review would probably be good anyway 10:09:32 there's a few vaults where you know where the traps are, and need to stand there and search 10:09:34 the random spawning of mechanical traps should be reduced in a way so the spawning of other traps (shafts, tele, zot) is not increased btw 10:10:07 also, random tele traps should probably have limited charges 10:10:15 one of Orc entries, a Lab end vault, etc 10:10:33 sometimes they are used as exits for disconnected areas, though 10:10:53 ie, not random 10:10:58 well, in any vault with traps a spoiled players knows there are traps *somewhere* 10:11:03 even if the location is randomized 10:11:31 the player also knows there are monsters, and possibly the player even knows which monsters and the exact location (ice fiend cave) 10:11:35 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:11:40 so i dont think its a huge deal 10:12:01 also, with the changed detection mechanics, searching wouldnt help 10:13:58 i think traps skill should go the way of the mountain dwarf, but im not sure what would be a good replacement 10:14:07 dex would be fine imo 10:14:47 but equipment swapping for travel would be super dumb 10:15:10 idk, being able to "spot" traps seems like an intelligence check, where avoding a "failed-to-detect" trap would be dex. 10:15:24 a skill on the other hand just repeats the same problems of T&D: once its cheap enough, you put in a few levels to get rid of the worst effects of traps 10:15:36 Cryp71c: we dont want to buff int 10:15:44 :( 10:16:33 on the other hand, if the tripled effects of str and dex on damage go through it might be okay 10:17:23 -!- wwf has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:17:54 Cryp71c: so you think a difficult int check for detection at range, and an easier dex check for detection in melee range? 10:18:14 alefury, that might be a nice touch, sure. 10:18:29 still has the equipment swapping problem :/ 10:18:50 between skills and stats i think there just is no good solution 10:19:11 a constant detection chance would be another way, but would be kind of boring 10:19:24 alefury, what about some combination of racial modifier combined with current XL? 10:19:33 kind of partial to just giving a flat chance or such 10:19:36 so felids would have an enormous trap_evasion 10:19:45 where HO would be quite terrible, regardless of XL 10:19:55 (for example) 10:19:56 so you would do it like MR, intriguing 10:20:21 XL is an icky metric but it seems like it could work for trap detection 10:20:30 since stats are sort of unsatisfying anyway 10:20:50 so if you go somewhere at lower XL, you also get slapped in the face by traps 10:20:56 that would probably be okay 10:22:03 Do all traps have the same detection threshold, or are they tiered (zot vs dart, for example) 10:22:18 still unclear 10:22:40 average detection difficulty was proposed to depend on depth, with strong randomization 10:22:52 Well, you could tier the whole implementation, detection, damage, etc. so that diving for characters becomes more difficult, since their lower XL would leave them inherently unprepared for the higher tiered traps they might run into. 10:23:28 All in all, though, if we reduce trap placement significantly, the instance of a player dying to a trap while diving would be increasingly rare. 10:24:18 alefury, I would be amicable to that if the type of trap is dependent on depth (which I think it is, since I never see blade traps too high in depth, nor do I see dart traps when deep in the dungeon) 10:24:20 well the ones you actually care about are zot traps 10:24:22 mostly the hall of zot gets harder if you cant search by waiting 10:24:31 i guess you care about the really high damage mechanical traps if you are spriggan diving or whatever 10:25:03 since the depth scaling got removed, early blade traps are really dangerous now 10:25:54 well, maybe not really dangerous because theyre pretty rare, but they do a huge amount of damage 10:25:57 the use of a racial + Xl mechanic doesn't completely fix all the rpoblems, since either detection can be scummed by moving back and forth, hoping for a lucky number which is *just* right to overcome your otherwise poor odds of detecting some trap 10:27:07 or if detection can only occur once-per-trap, you penalize players who drop down shafts or otherwise dive and come back up, since they'll "see" traps that they didn't have a hope of detecting, then when they return later, the trap is already "seen" and thus, not eligible for a detection check. 10:27:12 from kilobyte's mail: As I understand, there's a consensus to have searching for traps be deterministic, with every trap having an innate random difficulty, and you need to have skills/stats of at least that level, with repeatedly pressing search giving no benefit. 10:27:44 well, yes, they know theyre in safe territory so they are not careful 10:28:01 thats one thing i like about having two checks, one for all of los, and one for melee range 10:28:09 the use of a racial + Xl mechanic doesn't completely fix all the rpoblems, since either detection can be scummed by moving back and forth, hoping for a lucky number which is *just* right to overcome your otherwise poor odds of detecting some trap 10:28:14 the idea is you only g- oh, you said that next line :) 10:28:16 or maybe even just for stepping on the trap 10:28:26 i think it is ok for there to be negative consequences of diving 10:28:36 and shafting already has a major negative consequence i.e. you just got shafted 10:28:50 not like you're likely to gain so many levels between the level you get shafted from and where you end up anyway 10:30:26 Well, yeah I dont' think the occurrence rate will be high enough, nor the effects be significant enough to make a huge issue, but these particular 'problems' of the proposed detection mechanic are illogical. 10:30:36 -!- faze is now known as pivotal 10:30:40 -!- faze_ is now known as faze 10:30:52 -!- pivotal has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:07 -!- Jacobe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:33:48 well, lots of things about crawl are illogical from certain perspectives :) 10:37:25 Cryp71c: not being able to search for traps is illogical, yes 10:37:38 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Fio] 10:37:52 but searching for traps isnt very interesting, so might as well save players the trouble, right? 10:38:39 btw, kilobyte: = is not a good glyph, maybe runed doors could be something else? 10:39:16 -!- wwf has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:40:51 what's wrong with it? It's a rare use, too. 10:41:30 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:45 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 10:43:04 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:54 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 10:45:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:08 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:12 kilobyte, alefury, I vote ◈ (http://www.unicodemap.org/search.asp?search=%E2%97%88) for the unicode version 10:47:29 or perhaps http://www.unicodemap.org/search.asp?search=%E2%96%A3 10:48:17 what do you want to use it for? 10:49:00 kilobyte: = is used a lot in header syntax, as a non-glyph 10:49:22 so having it as a glyph is not good imo 10:52:00 wasn't = used for secret doors anyway? 10:54:42 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 10:55:26 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:56:23 yes, and it was not super awesome 10:56:48 -!- TGWi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:57:07 randomized secret door locations always looked a bit confusing 10:57:42 i guess runed doors would be used less in headers, so it should be better than before 10:58:18 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:59:19 -!- antrees__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:48 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:33 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:31 -!- phrzn is now known as piss 11:06:33 -!- faze has quit [Client Quit] 11:06:38 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:00 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:08:37 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:42 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:09:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:52 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:53 -!- User82_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:25 Translators * 0.12-a0-687-g1a0000d: Transifex sync. (2 hours ago, 18 files, 2067+ 171-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/1a0000d6621d 11:14:25 galehar * 0.12-a0-686-g06f1900: Fix make tx-commit not working if changes are staged. (2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/06f1900265b7 11:14:25 galehar * 0.12-a0-685-gcae65ff: Remove obsolete MAP_FIND_F description. (5 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/cae65ffbebd4 11:14:25 galehar * 0.12-a0-684-gc47bd9a: Change transifex commands to pull all translations, not only reviewed ones. (8 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/c47bd9ac7deb 11:14:25 galehar * 0.12-a0-683-g985f088: Fix make tx-txt ignoring english files. (8 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/985f08811fa6 11:14:25 Translators * 0.12-a0-682-ga14d094: Transifex format fix. 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(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/f4e3db5c7689 13:51:51 elliptic * 0.12-a0-688-g28ec59b: Remove buckler from gladiator starting kit. (17 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 9-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/28ec59b27764 13:52:22 -!- stenno has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:52:26 -!- sacredchao is now known as stenno 13:55:11 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 13:58:42 -!- Qoon has quit [Client Quit] 14:00:57 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:02:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 14:08:58 elliptic, :( 14:09:00 no more buckler 14:10:04 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 14:10:14 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:16:17 -!- Qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:07 -!- Qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:07 Just out of curiosity, what's the logic behind stripping away the buckler? I presume to put more space betwen the Gl and Fi package? 14:20:18 yep 14:22:55 -!- qoon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:24:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:35 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:56 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:31:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:58 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:39:41 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:42:54 i read "no more buckler" ... "stripping away the buckler" and thought shields were gone, for a while 14:44:44 -!- ZRN has quit [] 14:47:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:52:45 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:42 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 15:00:34 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 15:02:13 -!- Benhimself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:03:45 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:05:14 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:13:53 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:19:45 Kaput (L27 DrCj) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_index(mg.foe) || mg.foe == MHITYOU || mg.foe == MHITNOT) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1680 failed. 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How on earth do I get a monster to cast spells? 23:32:31 Bad item name: 'fire_storm' 23:32:32 %??rat spells;fire_storm/ice_storm 23:32:41 Unknown spell name: 'firestorm' in 'firestorm' 23:32:41 %??rat spells:firestorm/ice_storm 23:32:47 unknown monster: "ice_storm" 23:32:47 %??rat spells:fire_storm/ice_storm 23:32:54 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sp: fire storm (8d1), ice storm (10d2) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 23:32:54 %??rat spells:fire_storm;ice_storm 23:33:20 wow, ice storm at 10d2 23:33:24 that's weird 23:33:35 That would be really dangerous early-game 23:33:50 {SPELL_NO_SPELL, SPELL_NO_SPELL, SPELL_BLINK_OTHER_CLOSE, SPELL_HASTE, SPELL_SUMMON_BUTTERFLIES, SPELL_BERSERKER_RAGE} 23:33:56 and yet, no castey 23:34:04 unknown monster: "ice_storm" 23:34:04 %??human spells:fire_storm/ice_storm 23:34:16 human (15@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 3-68 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(8) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 316 | Sp: fire storm (8d1), ice storm (10d2) / fire storm (8d2), ice storm (10d3) / fire storm (8d3), ice storm (10d3) / fire storm (8d3), ice storm (10d4) / fire storm (8d4), ice storm (10d4) / fire storm (8d5), ice storm (10d5) / fire storm (8d6), ice storm (10d6) / fire storm (8d7), ice storm (10d7) / fire storm (8d8), ice storm (10d7) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 23:34:16 %??human spells:fire_storm;ice_storm 23:34:29 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 217-289 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | Res: 06magic(133) | XP: 10503 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 23:34:29 %??rat hd:100 23:34:40 a 10k XP rat, huh? 23:34:55 bh: does it need ACTUAL_SPELLS maybe? 23:35:00 -!- MrDamm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:35:04 ontoclasm: I gave it FAKE_SPELLS 23:35:07 hm 23:35:23 no clue then 23:35:36 M_PRIEST | M_UNIQUE | M_FAKE_SPELLS | M_SEE_INVIS 23:35:37 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 217-289 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(133) | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d75), ice storm (10d61), crystal spear (3d136), iron shot (3d141), stone arrow (3d125), b.inaccuracy (12d154) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 23:35:37 %??rat hd:100 spells:fire_storm;ice_storm;lehudib's_crystal_spear;iron_shot;stone_arrow;bolt_of_inaccuracy 23:36:04 i love how absurd b.inacc gets 23:36:40 How inaccurate is it? 23:36:52 (And how strong is it at 27 evocations?) 23:36:53 ??bolt of inaccuracy 23:36:53 -!- ocpm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:36:54 bolt of inaccuracy[1/2]: Deals good damage at Evocations level 10 - 15. You can line up several nasty monsters and blast them down all at once (irresistable damage!). Mid-game it's great against sleeping foes since you can repeat cast without it waking them up, until it hits them of course (and this will usually severely damage them). 23:36:58 unknown monster: "orb of fire name_rpl" 23:36:58 %??orb of fire name:orb_of_inaccuracy name_rpl col:yellow spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 23:37:14 bluck 23:37:31 Lightli: it reliably hits stuff with 0-4 ev 23:37:35 orb of inaccuracy (08*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 11437 | Sp: b.inaccuracy (12d48) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 23:37:35 %??orb of fire name:orb_of_inaccuracy name_replace col:yellow spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 23:37:42 and basically never hits anything with more than that 23:37:43 12d48 23:38:07 fr ^ 23:38:14 make it a sprint boss or something 23:39:03 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sp: b.inaccuracy (12d5) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 23:39:03 %??rat spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 23:39:04 12d48 damage on average is around 270 or so 23:39:26 well, it'll never hit 23:39:37 Unless you're a heavy armor user 23:39:45 even in CPA players have enough ev to dodge it 23:39:53 True 23:39:54 ...probably 23:40:10 I just realized 23:40:38 Out of the spell-casting rods (i.e. demonology, destruction, etc.) Inaccuracy is the only one that's exclusive to the rod 23:40:47 mm 23:40:54 well, lightning 23:40:58 oh, i see 23:41:03 nm 23:41:58 Does it get more accurate with spellpower? 23:42:02 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:42:18 it's more accurate at higher evoc, i think 23:42:43 but i don't know how much so 23:42:52 k 23:43:03 Going to go to sleep, nearly 1AM 23:43:05 night 23:43:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Because Fio.] 23:43:13 <|amethyst> no, bolt of inac has a fixed to-hit of 1 23:43:14 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:43:15 <|amethyst> doh 23:43:45 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:08 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:12 Giving a monster "Summon Butterflies" is a bad idea 23:44:17 spam spam spam spam 23:44:59 bh: i had an idea 23:45:06 ontoclasm: go on? 23:45:08 instead of the apocalypse drake make it a crab 23:45:14 chaos crab 23:45:20 ??fire crab 23:45:21 fire crab[1/2]: A red t that breathes flame clouds everywhere. Likes to burn all your scrolls. 23:45:22 because crabs rock 23:45:25 Fire crabs already make me really sad 23:45:36 "NOW YOU DIE IN A FIRE *click* *clack*" 23:45:52 they'll be like three times as fun when they spew seething chaos everywhewre 23:46:21 ontoclasm: if you can figure out how to make Xom's Teddy not do stupid things, I'll go ahead and make the chaos crab 23:46:34 xom's teddy? 23:46:49 A giant undead teddy bear who worships Xom 23:46:53 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:55 wonderful 23:47:04 what's wrong with it? not casting? 23:47:32 it's casting stupid spells, like summon butterflies till the world ends 23:47:42 You might say "Why in the name of fuck would you have a monster cast that?" 23:47:53 and I say, "Because it's really silly" 23:48:08 have you tried putting butterflies in the emergency slot? 23:48:20 Yes. The emergency slot never fires 23:48:32 oh, it's undead 23:48:35 is why 23:48:46 i think? 23:48:49 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:50 hm 23:49:06 it didn't flee while it was alive either 23:49:37 oh, there it goes 23:49:47 That's pretty damn silly 23:50:09 maybe the monster version of butterflies needs its "is this spell worthwhile" code changed 23:50:35 i.e. maybe it should consider butterflies to be not worth casting if, say, 4 friendly butterflies are in view 23:51:01 lemme see if i can remember where that nonsense is 23:51:26 I certainly don't want to do it 23:53:30 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev