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03:56:09 or its max power or max duration reduced? 03:56:34 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5842 03:56:56 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:59:41 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:01:24 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 04:01:24 -!- marcmagus has quit [*.net *.split] 04:01:24 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 04:01:25 -!- TinyBugChild has quit [*.net *.split] 04:01:29 -!- CIA-31 has quit [*.net *.split] 04:01:35 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 04:03:16 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:03:50 either would be sensible 04:04:27 the easier way is cancellable 04:04:34 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:04:59 at what point would you cap power/duration to effectively curb the problem he's documenting? 04:05:04 -!- CIA-53 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:23 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [*.net *.split] 04:09:27 -!- CIA-53 has quit [*.net *.split] 04:09:45 -!- CIA-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:11:55 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:16:33 don't know 04:16:56 would have to do some tests 04:17:06 but I'm not sure it's actually a problem 04:17:16 the test he made is extreme 04:18:23 -!- Silurio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:23:00 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:24:12 Some people have complained about being able to get yellow glow merely from a single cast of invis sometimes, at realistically high power 04:24:43 I'm not sure how often this happens, but it does seem questionable to me that the spell is more or less worse at higher power, in most cases 04:32:31 maybe capping it's power at 80 would be good then 04:32:56 elliptic: opinions on high powered invisibility? 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Xom thinks this is hilarious! 04:43:09 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:25 -!- Tenkutas has quit [] 04:58:02 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-628-gb5292b1 05:08:22 03galehar * r80175411285c 10/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc: Getting a god gift stops auto_explore. 05:08:23 03galehar * rfdeb6087f7a7 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Cleave don't hurt neutrals. 05:10:16 cleave don't hurt no more 05:17:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:17:48 -!- VG has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:20:00 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:48 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:02 -!- ColdPie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:30:28 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:30 -!- Linksi_ is now known as Linksi 05:48:45 i thought the issue was casting more about invis and haste together 05:49:24 -!- CampinSam has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50:01 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:50:27 in that you can do it at low spellpower only 05:52:20 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:13 maybe the amount of glow shouldn't scale with spell power, only duration 05:53:22 but that would be a bit tricky to implement 05:53:48 have a "glow buffer", fill it when casting 05:54:15 then draw from it to contaminate the player over time 05:54:33 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:35 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:05:35 bh: re 6255, it seems like they don't really need a fake explosion? since it doesn't do anything it's probably just misleading 06:06:25 and i'm still not sure how well wandering ai would actually work for this 06:07:30 since it means they just don't do anything unless you step right next to them 06:07:46 wandering mushroom* 06:08:01 -!- MPR| has quit [] 06:16:20 -!- MPR has quit [Changing host] 06:34:42 -!- Sapher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:39:42 -!- WereDictionary has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54:25 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:20 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56:27 -!- Rewans has quit [] 07:11:38 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:37 This ugly dude is too deformed to run, but he has some tumors all over the body that explodes with tormentish goo. 07:14:41 tormentish goo 07:14:43 <3 07:27:55 -!- BrocoLee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:35:42 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:58 Morning 07:36:12 hi 07:37:44 galehar, how goes things? 07:38:02 pretty good :) 07:38:19 and you? 07:38:41 Busy, but good, thanks. 07:39:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:39:24 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:39:36 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:38 ??test 07:39:39 Wensley: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:39:39 summon butterflies[5/5]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 07:45:51 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:47:33 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:48:21 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:57 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:02:51 -!- RWJMurphy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:08:59 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:09:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 08:19:06 -!- Lightli has quit [] 08:37:14 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:42:27 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:01:19 -!- tw__ is now known as tw_ 09:07:22 -!- jarpiain_ is now known as jarpiain 09:09:04 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:28 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:51 galehar: does cleave hurt pacified things? 09:27:29 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:03 -!- User82_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:11 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 09:57:21 galehar, MarvinPA: I think that it isn't a problem unless players get yellow glow from a single cast of invis with no other sources of glow... afaik invis+haste is never safe (and it shouldn't be) 10:00:00 galehar, MarvinPA: there are a few possible solutions to this... one possibility is to cap invis duration, but you actually have to cap it relatively low iirc with the current glow system. I think it would be easier to handle this if we made the glow system smoother... rescaling it so that yellow glow is 60 contam instead of 6 and doesn't just change every 20 turns would be good 10:01:00 galehar, MarvinPA: currently invis is much safer to cast if you are on turn 10001 than if you are on turn 10019 10:01:33 -!- User82_ has quit [Quit: User82_] 10:08:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:35 elliptic, wait wait, what? 10001 vs 10019? 10:20:57 Is that a product of predictable RNG seeding, or ? 10:21:27 <|amethyst> It's because various things happen every 200 ticks. As in, time % 200 == 0 10:21:40 <|amethyst> ??divisible by 20 10:21:40 I don't have a page labeled divisible_by_20 in my learndb. 10:22:46 * elliott would rather those things just had a 1 in 200 chance to happen every tick 10:23:03 <|amethyst> that's a quite different distribution 10:23:59 <|amethyst> getting hell effects two turns in a row (or, even worse, twice in the same turn) would be not good, I think 10:25:31 <|amethyst> If we had a scheduling queue it could be something like every (175 + random2(51)) turns 10:25:38 |amethyst: yeah 10:26:06 that sounds like a much better solution 10:26:15 well some stuff should happen every turn 10:26:38 but for hell effects and god wrath, what |amethyst suggested sounds good 10:27:42 for glow, I think that instead of having a 2/3 chance to increase by 1 every 20 turns when invis (numbers made up) it should be guaranteed to increase by 1/30 every turn 10:27:46 or something like that 10:28:07 there's no reason why it has to use such a discrete scale 10:28:38 clearly the solution is to give you 1/40th of a hell effect every turn 10:28:54 Light has predictable glow, right? 10:29:23 it has a glow bar 10:29:29 i don't think it uses a different way of decreasing it? 10:29:41 that might be too much, but _greatly_ reducing variance would be cool 10:30:42 elliott: not sure if I remember that right, but it's a constant number 10:30:54 without any randomness at all 10:31:32 spells have constant glow cost in light 10:32:27 !learn edit test[1] s/.*/Enough, some terminals fail that badly./ 10:32:27 test[1/40]: Enough, some terminals fail that badly. 10:36:03 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:44:51 -!- naaaalis has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 10:46:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 10:56:33 -!- Arwald has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:11 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:52 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:15:21 -!- CIA-81 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:15:25 -!- CIA-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:23:33 -!- radiolit has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:32:46 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:39:45 -!- ctair has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:02 Has there been any desire to look at corpse-sacrificing? 11:40:18 look at in what way? 11:40:44 That answers my question, probably...I didn't know if it had ever been discussed as pointless tedium. 11:41:42 well, there are a couple of new options for automatic sacrificing of them 11:42:09 personally I find sacrificing corpses far less tedious than chopping them up and managing the chunks 11:42:28 so I don't really understand the complaint 11:43:32 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:47:17 I guess I see it as a series of mediocre issues: black and white system (either gods sac or they don't), gods which do sac don't require you to do it, and as a mechanic, if you sacrifice, the effect on how you play does not significantly change (in some cases, it doesn't change at all), giving an indication that - at best - the mechanic could use some revision. 11:47:21 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:41 I'm not any help in general, since I don't have any proposal off-hand which would improve upon or change the corpse-sac system. 11:47:59 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:21 corpses account for a lot of piety 11:48:54 elliptic, perhaps the instances in which I've played without sacrficing, I just haven't noticed...or managed to otherwise get by with the amount of piety gained from (for trogg, for example) just killing stuff. 11:48:55 it certainly isn't the best mechanic, but as I said I don't really see it as any worse than any other mechanic that makes use of corpses 11:49:20 elliptic, no, I'm not necessarily saying that its "the biggest problem mechanic in DCSS right now" just one I happened upon as I play berserkers. 11:49:48 <|amethyst> What do you mean by "black and white system"? Nemelex is different from Okawaru is different from Fedhas is different from Beogh is different from Elyvilon is different from Trog/Makhleb/Lugonu 11:49:56 corpses account for an awful lot of piety under new oka 11:50:03 again, could you explain how it is any worse than chopping up every corpse for food? 11:50:03 since you get the same amount of piety for saccing a corpse as killing the thing 11:50:08 <|amethyst> the last three could maye use some differentiation in their sacrificing 11:50:17 since many, many characters want to chop up every corpse for food 11:50:36 (that actually seems better than normal corpse sacs to me -- you have the situation of preferring to eat "weaker" stuff which seems more interesting) 11:50:45 elliptic, I don't chop every corpse...ever. I chop corpses when I become "hungry." Certainly I"m not an optimum player, but I do better than the average spoiled DCSS-er, I think. 11:51:01 not sure i ever found lucy corpse sacrifices flavorful 11:51:21 Cryp71c: not as a troll? a kobold? a sif worshipper? a sublimation of blood user? 11:51:32 |amethyst, perhaps that wasn't quite the point i should have been making, I was thinking about it in somewhat of a narrow fashion. 11:52:28 not only sif worshippers cast spells they'd be better off not casting, hunger- and anything-else-wise 11:52:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:52:50 elliptic, sublim user, sure..every corpse, and for races which have the capcity to eat corpses while not hungry, but even then...I eat corpses when I'm capable, and ignore them otherwise. 11:52:59 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:53:12 trolls are usually pretty capable 11:53:58 Am I misunderstanding your playstyle? It sounds like you're talking about a playstyle in which you chop every corpse and carry around their chunks, dropping them as they begin to rot, and gaining the ability to eat as soon as you become "hungry" (vs having to wait for the next corpse drop in the way in which I play) 11:54:03 is that correct? 11:54:13 s/gaining/gain 11:54:42 I don't usually regard corpse management as tedius 11:54:48 Cryp71c: this is an extremely common playstyle, yes 11:54:57 with anyone with high hunger requirements 11:55:08 In any case, Its alright..I wasn't meaning to push the issue, just curious if anyone shared my opinions or had brought it as a concern previously, clearly I'm just odd in this regard 11:55:18 :P 12:00:19 -!- eb has quit [] 12:06:54 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:11 -!- Senri has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:11:41 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:51 -!- b0lt has quit [Client Quit] 12:14:06 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:14:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:45 -!- snurpsss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:26:17 -!- ZombieChicken has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:29:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:22 |amethyst: is crawl.setopt("message_colour -= mute:Search for what") something that should be working? (it doesn't seem to work) 12:32:41 I don't know exactly how crawl.setopt works 12:49:06 -!- Insomniak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:44 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:42 -!- VG has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:58:41 -!- minqmay is now known as minmay 12:58:46 -!- minmay is now known as minqmay 13:01:08 -!- ophanim is now known as mikee_ 13:05:07 -!- Orionstein has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:05:10 -!- mikee_ is now known as ophanim 13:05:12 -!- Orionstein1 is now known as Orionstein 13:06:57 -!- ophanim is now known as mikee_ 13:07:12 -!- mikee_ is now known as ophanim 13:08:01 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:18 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:16:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 13:16:41 -!- araganzar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:17:27 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:19:18 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21:18 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:30 <|amethyst> elliptic: does it work in the rc file? 13:25:36 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:44 <|amethyst> it should work the same from setopt as from the rcfile 13:27:33 -!- ldierk has quit [Client Quit] 13:27:41 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:50 <|amethyst> hrm, I can confirm that it doesn't work, let me test in an rcfile 13:28:29 <|amethyst> doesn't work from an rcfile either, hm 13:29:17 <|amethyst> oh, doh, message_colour doesn't support -= 13:29:29 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:32 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 13:33:47 <|amethyst> working on that 13:34:11 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:54 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:35:06 oh, was that just one of the options that didn't have -= supported yet? I forgot that there were some of those 13:35:21 good to know that crawl.setopt shouldn't affect such things 13:35:23 <|amethyst> Yeah, but I think I said it was supported in the docs :) 13:40:16 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:42:52 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43:42 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:51:48 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 13:51:50 -!- Snowclon1 is now known as Snowclone 13:57:51 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:16 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:53 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:05:07 -!- ldierk has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:07:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:11:42 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:01 <|amethyst> hm, something's wrong with my message_colour_mapping::operator==, testing 14:13:18 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:14:41 Singing Sword described as "blessed"; wielded by demonspawn (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6260) by XuaXua 14:20:43 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:21:31 <|amethyst> hm, that's strange, it's returning true as expected 14:22:22 <|amethyst> oh, duh... I'm misusing std::remove() 14:23:25 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:09 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:33:46 does anyone know whether there is a reason for stuff like you.have_orb() to be dlua and not clua? 14:34:01 also you.see_cell(), you.gold(), and so on 14:35:01 I guess maybe some of these functions might be crash-able, I don't know 14:35:11 <|amethyst> what coordinate system does you.see_cell() use? 14:35:16 oh, right 14:35:32 it uses absolute coordinates, yeah 14:35:34 <|amethyst> gold and have_orb would probably be fine as clua 14:36:23 also have_rune, num_runes, and in_branch at least sound harmless 14:41:03 -!- absolutego has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:14 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:29 <|amethyst> okay, I think I have the -= thing fixed (turns out -= was broken for other list options, because I misunderstood std::remove() ) 14:45:32 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:45:56 <|amethyst> compiling 0.11 to test 14:46:02 cool, good to know that this botting is useful for discovering bugs ;) 14:46:13 good thing 0.11 didn't get released :P 14:46:29 <|amethyst> you'd think something called remove() would actually remove things :) 14:46:43 <|amethyst> but of course, since it only takes two iterators and a value, it can do no such thing 14:47:15 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:49:09 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:12 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:26 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:26 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 14:58:26 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is down for major renovations, front page updated with news, try CSZO instead! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 14:59:25 <|amethyst> chei is now doing commit reporting while CIA is out 14:59:44 <|amethyst> unfortunately it missed a few 14:59:57 <|amethyst> %git master^^^ 15:00:57 galehar * 0.12-a0-630-gfdeb608: Cleave don't hurt neutrals. (10 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/fdeb6087f7a7 15:00:57 <|amethyst> %git master^^ 15:00:57 elliptic * 0.12-a0-631-g32b1460: Player Lua: you.silencing(). (77 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/32b1460edce8 15:00:57 <|amethyst> %git master^ 15:00:58 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-632-gb394d9f: Support message_colour -= foo. (86 minutes ago, 3 files, 19+ 7-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/b394d9fe2caf 15:00:58 <|amethyst> %git master 15:00:58 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-633-g073c863: Correctly remove items from list options. (24 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 22-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/073c8638a81e 15:00:58 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.11^ 15:01:00 |amethyst * 0.11-b1-165-gcb60ea7: Support message_colour -= foo. (86 minutes ago, 3 files, 19+ 7-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/cb60ea720a40 15:01:00 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.11 15:01:00 |amethyst * 0.11-b1-166-g357753c: Correctly remove items from list options. (24 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 22-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/357753c21fae 15:02:34 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 15:05:26 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:42 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:08:35 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-633-g073c863 (34) 15:17:31 -!- athros has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:17:39 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24:42 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:46 -!- whag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:30:35 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:31:37 ??git 15:31:37 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl 15:32:16 ??git[2] 15:32:16 git[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 15:33:22 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:35:44 -!- Grunt_ is now known as Grunt 15:37:05 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:11 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:20 oppbolic (L17 HOBe) ERROR: range check error (-27 / 17) (D:22) 15:43:34 interesting 15:43:45 !lm * crash -log 15:43:48 3734. oppbolic, XL17 HOBe, T:25226 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/oppbolic/crash-oppbolic-20120925-203824.txt 15:44:35 there was a lua error with grunt_rogues_gallery right before the crash 15:46:46 -!- Robot2600 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:47:02 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:51 <|amethyst> yay for optimisations hiding the actual crash location 15:53:33 <|amethyst> what FixedVectors have a size of 17? 15:55:23 width/height of the LOS area is 17, not sure if any FixedVectors use that though 15:55:29 <|amethyst> hm 15:55:56 oh, yeah, FixedArray uses FixedVector internally 15:56:38 then tile_fg and tile_bg are FixedVectors with size 17 15:57:22 and considering the crash is in viewwindow, that could be it 15:57:47 -!- Codrus|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:58:18 -!- athros has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:27 <|amethyst> you.pos() is (0,0) because the player hasn't placed yet 15:58:40 <|amethyst> but I would think that would result in a too-large positive number, not -27 16:02:58 <|amethyst> dgn.place_map() is still on the Lua stack 16:05:08 <|amethyst> hm 16:05:22 <|amethyst> does oppbolic have a runrest stop on Lua errors? 16:07:05 <|amethyst> hm, no 16:07:33 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08:38 -!- CaptainPickles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:08:46 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:48 <|amethyst> I think the crash is likely to occur whenever a player is running or exploring, hits a shaft, and gets a Lua error during level gen 16:09:10 <|amethyst> now how to test this theory... 16:13:41 <|amethyst> hrm 16:13:51 <|amethyst> not quite 16:19:43 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22:05 <|amethyst> but that does lead to runrest::stop being called with you.pos() = (0, 0) 16:23:14 did you test with tiles? 16:23:27 <|amethyst> webtiles though not controlled from webtiles 16:23:32 ok 16:24:07 <|amethyst> It's probably because of something specific being "in view" then 16:24:16 <|amethyst> (I use scare quotes because (0,0)) 16:31:47 <|amethyst> hm, also doesn't happen if I have assigned an FTILE 16:33:40 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:41:28 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 16:44:17 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:45:12 oh, apparently you.gold() is dlua because it lets you set your gold total 16:45:18 <|amethyst> heh 16:46:15 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46:31 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:47:39 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:49:49 elliptic: have you seen #6258? 16:49:59 since you were talking about how tedious butchering is 16:50:15 I had a quick glance at the code and it seems pretty good 16:50:40 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:50:50 how does it handle running out of slots or becoming burdened with chunks? 16:51:01 I haven't had a chance to try it out 16:51:42 I don't know, it probably need some tuning 16:53:47 <|amethyst> btw, rriegs is missing from CREDITS.txt despite having seven patches 16:53:56 <|amethyst> err, seven commits 16:55:07 <|amethyst> (fixing that) 16:59:13 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-634-gdbda629: Add rriegs to CREDITS.txt. (58 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/dbda629da156 16:59:16 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:59:16 ??teset 16:59:16 I don't have a page labeled teset in my learndb. 16:59:16 ??test 16:59:16 test[1/40]: Enough, some terminals fail that badly. 16:59:16 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:00:26 elliptic * 0.12-a0-635-g4f57ead: Move a couple of functions from dlua to clua. 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21:09:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:44 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:22 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:52 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 21:35:14 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:37:32 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:41:05 -!- hart has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:49:07 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:35 -!- ontoclasmnei has quit [Quit: rawrmage: it's danei, it neither needs nor admits explanation] 21:58:33 bh: the deep troll stuff was delayed until mon-pick making any sense was finished, I'm guessing 21:59:45 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:50 -!- Elm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:07:06 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:09:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:13:54 -!- Benhimself has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:16:30 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:37 -!- anastasios has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:02 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:16 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:50 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:35:40 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:43:37 -!- eurtek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:50:45 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:51:19 -!- whag has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:52:50 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:49 -!- hoody is now known as Hoodlumm 22:56:23 -!- Hoodlumm is now known as hoody 22:57:42 The Moth of Wrath Trog altar needs to be fixed. 22:57:52 I can portal projectile the moth from safety 23:01:38 moth of wrath (04y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 9 | HP: 33-64 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2505(rage) | fly | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 504 | Sz: small | Int: insect. 23:01:38 %??moth of wrath 23:01:47 not worth that much xp 23:01:52 (maybe it's even set as xpless?) 23:02:23 it doesn't say it's a durable summon 23:02:32 it's probably worth the XP because I'm level 3 23:02:45 Sigmund (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 30 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(12) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 104 | Sp: throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 23:02:45 %??sigmund 23:02:48 i guess so 23:06:41 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:22 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:13:54 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:14:00 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:02 -!- radiolit has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:18:37 should also fix that monsters across lava vault!! the one you can meph. 23:18:42 (should also fix meph) 23:18:50 remove meph 23:19:58 merge conf touch and meph into a poison/tmut spell where you touch someone and make them give off noxious vapors 23:21:29 merge confusing touch and meph into a spell called confusing touch that acts identically to how it does now 23:21:32 "it's not removal" 23:21:39 confusing touch isn't a good spell imo 23:22:11 merge meph and confusing touch into swamp drake eggs touch (they hatch into hostile swamp drakes) 23:22:13 monqy: it's a big XP prize 23:22:26 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:22:38 monqy: a spell that implants eggs in a monster would be pretty ballin' 23:22:50 then it dies and wasps come out 23:23:09 -!- Wheep has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:26 Inner Wasps 23:23:30 yesss 23:23:44 Eronarn: merge confusing touch and meph into a spell called mephitic cloud 23:23:49 elliott: no :( 23:23:53 Eronarn: and then merge mephitic cloud and fireball into a spell called fireball 23:24:05 (it is just fireball) 23:24:06 as long as there is one good spell this can work!! 23:24:21 speaking of confusing touch, I was thinking of making an abyss monster that's fairly weak but hits with confusing touch 23:24:28 I was going to call it "Wandering Mushroom" 23:25:09 i think we should make GOBs into abyss monsters 23:25:20 Eronarn: Good Ol' Boys? 23:25:24 giant orange brains 23:25:27 @??giant orange brain 23:25:27 giant orange brain (04G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 2/4 | 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(106), asphyx | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 789 | Sp: brain feed, cause fear, shadow creatures, confuse, blink, teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 23:25:28 george's older brothers 23:25:59 bh: wandering mushroom? what a terrible name, will never catch on 23:26:20 give them: a finally-actually-worthwhile fixed brain feed (ignore walls), cause fear (ignore walls), blink (ignore walls), always able to be seen and can always see through walls 23:27:08 elliott: any feedback on my torment spore thing? 23:27:21 i haven't tried the patch 23:27:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:31:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 23:32:40 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:14 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:34:11 -!- whag is now known as whig 23:36:34 FR: Remove Orc Wizards and Orc Priests. I hate them. 23:36:59 Ramblin' Mushroom 23:37:06 i should really do that beogh patch so that they are less terrible 23:37:26 What Beogh patch? 23:41:11 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:41:57 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:43:09 dtsund: make orcs look more like beogh worshipers 23:44:19 add a 'heal weaker orc' ability to beoghite players; orc priest and orc high priest get melee boosts, wear orcish armor (rather than robes), and cast heal weaker orc and smite 23:44:51 Eronarn: can you make orcs prefer to pick up polearms and crossbows? 23:45:31 bh: tricky to do well and minimal gain imo 23:45:39 @??orc sorcerer 23:45:39 orc sorcerer (13o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 21-42 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(36) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 597 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), b.draining (3d14), demon, paralyse, animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 23:45:46 Eronarn: it's so damn tedious to equip them 23:45:56 pokey sticks and crossbows are awesome on them, though. 23:45:59 also make these guys lose animate dead because usually all they animate is orc corpses, which beogh shouldn't be okay with 23:46:22 Eronarn: Could just incorporate Light's potion-sharing, which would have a lot of the same effects in practice 23:46:34 dtsund: that isn't going to happen 23:47:38 Eronarn: could you make them consecrate orc remains? :) 23:47:58 bh: that would be good... and if your beoghites do it, you get the piety return 23:48:22 Eronarn: heck, you could make a beoghite casting animate dead / raise dead auto-consecrate the orcs so as not to piss off the man upstairs 23:49:11 i don't like that approach; it makes more sense for beoghites just to not learn spells that would piss off beogh 23:49:19 rather than beogh sheltering them from it 23:50:09 sure. Seeing your followers dispose of corpses would be kind of awesome though. 23:50:32 yes 23:50:43 it would also be awesome to have priests heal your normal orcs 23:52:18 -!- giantbat is now known as giantbato 23:52:23 -!- giantbato is now known as giantbat