00:00:10 -!- tensorpudding_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:00:37 well it has some enums 00:01:24 okay 00:01:31 15 art rings done 00:02:13 does ^H in wizmode not work for anyone else? 00:03:08 <|amethyst> not work how? 00:03:10 <|amethyst> it's fine here 00:03:18 'Not a Wizard Command.' 00:03:25 yeah doesn't work here either 00:03:28 <|amethyst> is something turning your ctrl-h into ctrl-? ? 00:03:39 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-b1-149-gc0e6423 (33) 00:03:41 could be, let me check my term settings 00:04:02 can't tell. 00:04:46 -!- Neoxx has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:05:41 on an almost related note, why does &H grant mhp? 00:05:56 SUPERHEAL, that's why? 00:06:35 i'm not impressed, it doesn't even cure rot and breaks chars instead 00:06:50 <|amethyst> breaks chars? 00:07:20 for a realistic nonbroken not at all wizmode char try &h 00:07:46 ChrisOelmueller: fix it if you don't like it :) I implemented wiz mollify when I needed it 00:08:12 <|amethyst> I guess inc max hp could be a separate command 00:08:27 <|amethyst> and it should be fixed to unrot 00:09:37 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-149-gc0e6423 00:11:15 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:11:27 -!- JackRogers has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:34 any eta on .11 release? 00:13:37 bah -- C++ doesn't have static initializers does it 00:14:38 <|amethyst> what do you mean by "static initializers" exactly? 00:14:51 |amethyst: would you apply that as well? http://bpaste.net/show/Tc2NTKPMj6URvhfzsdRa/ 00:14:52 deep dwarf berserker (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 49-89 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 548 | Sp: brothers in arms, hand, berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:14:52 %??deep dwarf berserker 00:15:16 |amethyst: I want to declare a static std::vector 00:15:59 drag crawl into the c++11 future 00:16:18 <|amethyst> bh: that's fine 00:16:22 I'd sooner port it to Haskell. 00:16:47 if you port crawl to haskell i will base my fork on it instead of 4.1 00:17:08 christ -- how many ports are there? 00:18:16 <|amethyst> which "static" do you mean? 00:18:31 well there's light, alternative, x, y, m, monqys/41qys, 4.1, b26, dcss, hex 00:18:52 |amethyst: the globally kind 00:19:22 globally? 00:19:27 <|amethyst> bh: yeah, that's fine then... unless you want it statically initialized with particular contents, in which case you need C++11 00:19:43 yeah… bugger. 00:19:53 Windows builds of pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-b1-149-gc0e6423 00:20:21 <|amethyst> I take it you can't use an array? 00:20:49 I can. I didn't want to pass around its size 00:21:13 why would you need to pass around its size 00:21:15 <|amethyst> is the size fixed? 00:21:34 yeah… That's so kludgey 00:22:06 sweet, it works 00:22:13 <|amethyst> you can use static FixedVector myvec(1,2,3,4,5); 00:22:22 <|amethyst> FixedVector being defined in fixedvector.h 00:22:54 <|amethyst> if you needed a non-fixed vector you could do something like 00:23:38 <|amethyst> static int myvec_init[] = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 }; static vector myvec(myvec_init, myvec_init + 6); 00:23:49 <|amethyst> err, const on the first one 00:24:06 sure. Leave it to crawl to use templates like that :) 00:24:41 these rings look pretty wicked 00:24:50 <|amethyst> you're complaining about that and not about the use of varargs :) 00:25:04 I'd rather be using varargs. 00:25:21 myvec_init+6? not using sizeof? 00:25:35 <|amethyst> yeah, sizeof would be better 00:25:56 <|amethyst> ARRAYSZ(myvec_init) 00:26:36 uh oh 00:26:46 i messed up my git :U 00:26:57 <|amethyst> If it were truly horrible it would be static ConstFixedVector<1,2,3,4,5,6> stuff; 00:27:18 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: messed up how? 00:27:53 i tried to pull but i'd added a folder on local and it flipped out 00:28:04 |amethyst: crawl needs some template meta programming. 00:28:07 and now said folder is locked and i can't do anything with it 00:28:20 I've been meaning to implement a fixed point arithmetic library using templates 00:28:42 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: locked? 00:28:59 oop, now it appears to have deleted it 00:29:07 hold on, let's see 00:29:19 <|amethyst> oh, Windows? 00:29:23 yeah 00:29:52 we'll see if i can fix it 00:30:30 <|amethyst> do you have local changes that need preserving? 00:30:40 yeah, but they show up in my commit log 00:30:46 can i output them as a patch just in case? 00:30:53 i don't actually know how to do that 00:31:25 <|amethyst> git format-patch from..to 00:32:02 <|amethyst> or just git format-patch from 00:32:14 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:32:56 <|amethyst> also, if you reset the branch you'll still be able to get to the commit by its hash 00:33:02 <|amethyst> which you can look up with git reflog 00:33:09 <|amethyst> at least until the next GC happens 00:33:47 <|amethyst> what about uncommitted changes? 00:33:53 nah, i commited them 00:34:09 i was only pulling so i could push them 00:34:33 <|amethyst> did it give you a message about conflicts or something? 00:34:50 something like that... it was complaining about the folder i added 00:34:52 `taking address of temporary` -- I need to tell g++ that I know what I'm doing 00:35:11 <|amethyst> bh: what are you doing? 00:35:36 passing references to some local objects into an array because the base class is abstract 00:36:03 <|amethyst> local objects? 00:36:23 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: let's start by getting to your last good commit... git reset --hard 00:36:42 stack allocated 00:37:29 <|amethyst> bh: what's the line it's complaining about? 00:37:32 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:47 <|amethyst> just taking the address of an auto variable won't produce a warning like that 00:37:55 https://gist.github.com/3759897 00:38:16 those will still be in scope until the enclosing block exits, right? 00:38:23 <|amethyst> nope 00:38:54 happy ring fun time 00:39:24 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39:31 -!- ontoclasm1 is now known as ontoclasm 00:39:44 whatever, I'll just make the base class non-abstract and pass by value 00:40:45 <|amethyst> you mean ProceduralLayout layouts[] = { DiamondLayout(3,0), ... } ? 00:40:49 <|amethyst> that won't work either 00:41:08 why not? (As is clear, my C++ is rusty) 00:41:12 03ontoclasm * ra9361b82566e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (47 files in 5 dirs): Rings (white_noise, 6189) 00:42:03 <|amethyst> that will call Layout's copy constructor, passing a DiamondLayout object 00:42:17 <|amethyst> so you'll get a plain Layout that has whatever base Layout data the DiamondLayout has, but none of the DiamondLayout stuff 00:42:38 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:42:51 how would you solve this? heap allocate everything? 00:43:27 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:44:13 well there's light, alternative, x, y, m, monqys/41qys, 4.1, b26, dcss, hex 00:44:14 you forgot w 00:44:27 I also forgot n 00:44:33 -!- JackRogers has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120907231657]] 00:45:53 -!- hart has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:47:07 <|amethyst> bh: actually give them variables, maybe 00:47:32 monqy: w is less fake than n :P 00:47:37 <|amethyst> bh: DiamondLayout first(3,0); ....; const static ProceduralLayout* layouts[] = { first, second, ... }; 00:47:40 |amethyst: the point is to have a DSL for describing layouts, not to hardcode a bunch of stuff 00:47:41 <|amethyst> err 00:47:43 <|amethyst> &first 00:47:50 sure, that'll work 00:47:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:10 -!- Kuprin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:12 <|amethyst> wrap the ProceduralLayout*[] in a class 00:49:30 <|amethyst> but I guess there's the same problem 00:49:36 <|amethyst> unless you use templates :) 00:49:54 <|amethyst> hm 00:50:01 bh: you should write a ball-filling generator 00:50:11 |amethyst: know what code is worse than the worst code ever added to crawl? :) 00:50:18 ontoclasm: 'cuse me? 00:50:33 i don't know the actual name 00:51:00 pick a random point not in the set yet 00:51:15 expand a circle centered on that point until you hit an edge or another circle 00:51:28 repeat until you have x circles 00:51:30 <|amethyst> I suggested something like that a while back 00:51:39 then distort it as you like 00:51:47 I've heard it called Poisson sampling and circle parking 00:51:58 hmm 00:52:13 it has the benefit that 00:52:28 if, after the first circle, you veto circles that hit an outside edge 00:52:30 Worley noise does something similar 00:52:35 it is automatically connected 00:53:04 It places points and then each point owns all the spacer nearer to it than any other point 00:53:48 <|amethyst> surely Worley noise is more complicated than a voronoi diagram? 00:54:19 nope, it's just a voronoi diagram that you can evaluate at a point. 00:54:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 00:54:41 |amethyst: would you apply that as well? http://bpaste.net/show/Tc2NTKPMj6URvhfzsdRa/ 00:54:43 Worley's implementation is 3d and uses cubes. You can do it faster in 2d if you use hexagons 00:54:53 i'll have to head out soon, so feedback would be appreciated 00:55:33 i guess now that you mention it 00:55:42 ChrisOelmueller: it's syntactically incorrect 00:55:45 ChrisOelmueller: does that help 00:55:48 current abyss does look like a voronoi plot 00:56:02 a little bit 00:56:04 elliott: yes and no. :) 00:56:09 ChrisOelmueller: !() 00:56:13 itym (!) 00:56:18 ontoclasm: it *is* a voronoi plot. That's it... 00:56:23 hah 00:58:50 -!- Frosteey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:52 elliott: eh. guess i'll compile stuff to test from now on, thanks :p 01:01:28 ChrisOelmueller: perl 6 reasons 01:01:37 at least i think if !(foo) is valid in perl 6 01:03:29 <|amethyst> I guess "trog's hand" isn't too long 01:04:23 could probably shorten BiA somewhat but i'm not going to try and code a generic system for that 01:04:35 anyways, off for today, |amethyst got some mails, later :o 01:04:53 <|amethyst> thanks 01:04:54 <|amethyst> later 01:15:28 |amethyst: can you pull inception? aade378037f29a20d644b6ff4077186d37c7bc0c 01:16:35 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: oh, the server Chei runs on has a truly ancient python 01:17:12 speaking of Chei, I'm surprised that "Ticktocktomancer" has stuck around. That was a placeholder :) 01:17:21 but it's one of the best titles 01:18:08 Chei needs some real punishments 01:18:09 03bh 07inception * r65b78b2fdee3 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Remove assertion. 01:18:10 03bh 07inception * raade378037f2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Abyss layout changes 01:18:38 |amethyst: I believe at this point it's fully playable and better than newabyss. 01:18:46 woo 01:19:19 looks like I'm either incorrectly computing my lower bounds or deserializing something incorrectly. There is a hiccup on loading a game 01:19:43 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20:02 An ufetubus materialises. / A large abomination coalesces out of pure chaos. 01:21:47 |amethyst: during quiet periods I'm seeing it update ~200 features per turn and loud periods ~1000. This compares with 5600 features for newabyss 01:23:01 A death cob pops from nullspace! / A death cob appears in a burst of microwaves! -- hehehe 01:26:20 heh 01:28:50 I hope the level generation code isn't too obtuse for others to work with 01:30:52 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:32:55 Grey Draconians can gain fire breath mutation (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6250) by Eurtek 01:42:05 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:25 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:45:26 -!- Silurio_ is now known as Silurio 01:48:44 -!- araganzar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:49:56 -!- wasd22_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:52:03 deep dwarf berserker (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 49-89 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 548 | Sp: brothers in arms, trog's hand, berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:52:03 <|amethyst> %??deep dwarf berserker 01:52:06 deep dwarf berserker (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 49-89 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 548 | Sp: brothers in arms, trog's hand, berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:52:06 <|amethyst> %?deep dwarf berserker 01:52:08 deep dwarf berserker (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 48-89 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 549 | Sp: brothers in arms, trog's hand, berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:52:08 <|amethyst> %0.10?deep dwarf berserker 01:52:22 orb of ice (12*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 14168 | Sp: ice storm (10d20) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 01:52:22 <|amethyst> %??orb of ice 01:57:30 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:01:39 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:03:16 -!- 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keeping attack delay constant? im not sure anything is gained by varying it with weapon skill. 10:50:15 alefury, open ground attacks? also, link? 10:51:44 alefury, attack delay is one of the only reasons why half the weapons are as good as they are, what makes you want to constant-ize attack delay? 10:52:17 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:30 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53:47 easier to differentiate weapon types if delay is constant, and it is not very transparent 10:54:09 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5812 10:54:35 ^ open ground attacks, especially galehars last proposal 10:54:47 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:combat:fighting_reform 10:54:53 ^ some stuff about attack delay 10:55:24 with combat reform i didnt mean yours, i mean the next one :) 10:55:44 after your code cleanup the way is open for actually changing things :) 10:55:46 -!- nelq has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:56:13 that open ground stuff sounds a lot like "flanking" in Sil, which I don't particularly like but iirc st_ does 10:56:52 alefury, oh, yeah I wasn't taking it as a personal afront to my rewrite, I knew you were talking about improvements to the system, not improvements to the code. 10:56:52 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:34 alefury, am I to understand you correctly that you mean you want to generalize the attack-delay formula (as is proposed in that entry) or are you truly talking about making all attacks take 1.0 time (10 speed) 11:00:13 alefury: have to go, will look at your post later 11:00:50 but you want to differentiate weapon by making them have the same speed? 11:00:56 that seems backward 11:01:19 dtsund is planning that for light 11:01:33 I really don't see the point of it 11:01:59 * galehar leaves 11:02:06 if I understand correctly he meant making it not depend on skill, but still depend on weapon type 11:02:24 which might be okay, I'm not sure 11:04:44 galehar: About your post in the thread, double attack is pretty boring. 11:05:07 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05:53 oh, i meant constant per weapon, not constant overall 11:06:08 so exec axes have delay 2, always. just an example. 11:06:39 alefury: the main problem I see with that is that players hate it when monsters get double attacks on them 11:06:48 and this would happen all the time 11:07:04 well, it would remove one of the major things reducing the usefulness of weaker weapon types, but if accuracy becomes more relevant it might be okay 11:07:30 only if they use a slow weapon, and often that would already kill the enemy in the first hit 11:07:43 one enemy 11:07:46 at best 11:07:56 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:08:10 because the damage-per-time increase from attack delay reduction would be converted into more damage increase with skill 11:08:11 alefury: come on, usually you don't one-shot enemies 11:08:23 and we are talking about even delay 1.1 weapons 11:09:04 maybe having even only something like 3 speeds would be good in that case 11:09:28 something like 7, 10, 15 11:09:55 I like staves getting double attacks, one in front and one behind. 11:10:05 So if you're surrounded in a corridor you can attack both ways 11:10:15 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:04 almost related, do quarterstaves still have this weird off-hand special casing if you 2hand them 11:11:12 no, theyre 2handed now 11:11:21 ChrisOelmueller: I don't know 11:11:40 %git \.quarter 11:11:40 Could not find commit \.quarter (git returned 128) 11:11:54 can someone explain the syntax of that command to me? 11:11:56 because perhaps something like that might be generalized in a more useful way 11:13:39 ChrisOelmueller: it looks like the offhand punch with qstaff or lajatang got removed, but I think it might have been unintentional 11:13:48 because there are still comments in saying it exists :P 11:13:57 %git :/quarter 11:13:58 elliptic * 0.12-a0-323-g67b4f5f: Don't give quarterstaves out 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(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 6-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/67b4f5fa4053 11:13:58 elliptic: hm. :) 11:14:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:14:08 %git :/staves 11:14:31 MarvinPA * 0.12-a0-514-g618c8d0: Remove staves of enchantment (7 days ago, 13 files, 23+ 38-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/618c8d0d9782 11:14:47 too much staff action clearly 11:14:50 yes 11:14:54 %git :/laja 11:14:59 MarvinPA * 0.12-a0-120-g257dd33: Remove double-handedness, make quarterstaves/lajatangs/dire flails two-handed (5 weeks ago, 6 files, 10+ 41-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/257dd331eb63 11:15:17 MarvinPA: was removing the offhand punch from staves in the above commit intentional? 11:15:36 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:17:02 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:17:05 // No punching with a shield or 2-handed wpn, except staves. 11:17:20 is still in, which is why I wonder 11:18:37 IMO, "no punching with a shield or 2-handed weapon" seems the best. I had qualms about maintaining the "except staves" stuff 11:21:28 yes, I'm fine with no special punch with staves as well 11:24:25 I like free tacak while moving. 11:24:48 one issue with free attack when moving is that autofight will never use it 11:24:59 I can imagine weaving through a throng of goblins and kobolds avoidinga an ogre ad cutting down little guys left and right. 11:25:16 I guess. 11:29:30 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:29:41 -!- Ideocl4st has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:45 any eta for the tourney yet? 11:31:15 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:32:13 -!- Ideocl4st has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:15 tourney will be approximately a week after CAO shows signs of life 11:33:59 -!- Urug_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:35:50 -!- dunkrin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:36:53 cool, how is CAO looking then? 11:44:59 -!- flowsnake has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:50 -!- Alucard__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:46:27 elliptic: I think flanking works great in Sil because their are tons of other things that work well with it, and the AI is designed to try and flank you etc. I think if it were just added as plain weapon move in crawl it wouldn't be very interesting 11:48:44 what makes Sil so awesome is how all the different moves and abilities interact with each other 11:49:11 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:51:56 -!- zmvp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:14 elliptic: not intentional but let's pretend it was, yeah :P 11:52:16 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:26 I feel sort of meh towards this stuff in crawl because it will be really hard to make it feel like it isn't just thrown in 11:54:35 MarvinPA: okay :) is the change in 0.11? 11:54:35 i don't think so, no 11:54:35 okay, I won't rush to fix things right now then... but I think there is a comment or two that should be changed 11:54:35 oh, and staff Gl shouldn't start with unarmed skill :P 11:55:10 i always thought that was unnecessary anyway, thought i might have removed it already but i guess not :P 11:55:33 -!- thened has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:37 possibly you did, I don't remember 11:56:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:18 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:26 I sort of likes staves giving more aux stuff 11:58:49 liked* 12:01:36 -!- Pthing has quit [Client Quit] 12:02:25 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:40 -!- Salivanth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:58 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:57 it must have been prescience that led me to set up a crawl mirror ten minutes before gitorious went down: https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-mirror 12:10:58 Wensley: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:11:57 yes, you are learning to focus, muad dib 12:12:20 -!- elliott has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:59 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:19 lexackson: I had a dentist appointment this morning, so no motivation to do actual work :P 12:13:28 Wensley: gitorious is up tho 12:13:34 it is now 12:13:41 and sometimes github is down 12:13:45 now we have redundancy 12:13:53 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:02 what I thought was most interesting 12:14:09 is that github recognizes the committers 12:14:13 Wensley: CDO has a mirror too 12:14:26 so if you browse the commit history on github it has links to, for example, galehar0 12:15:02 -!- moip has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:15:04 sadly this does not show up on their github activity feeds 12:15:55 dtsund: I had completely forgotten about cdo's mirror 12:15:56 ah well 12:16:07 github has pretty graphs, so that's what I shall use it for 12:16:25 for example 12:16:27 https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-mirror/graphs/code-frequency 12:16:59 I'm curious what happened in late 2009 that caused the codebase to shed 200,000 lines 12:17:02 it probably is recognizing the email addresses or something 12:17:12 Zannick: right, I thought that was pretty clever of it 12:17:30 yep, i'm there :D 12:17:30 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:17:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:17:38 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:18:12 Wensley: I think it has something to do with dependencies 12:19:16 in any case, I'm not advocating a move to github, because even though it is cool to have code and bugs and wiki all in one place, github's bug tracker and wiki system are terrible 12:19:40 On the other hand, gitorious' interface is terrible 12:19:43 although it is faster to clone, which is nice 12:19:54 dtsund: yes, unfortunately 12:20:13 Which is why I use the CDO mirror for basically everything when I want to browse the history 12:20:18 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page labeled build in my learndb. 14:15:52 boo, should be only develz because gitorious is frequently silly and slow 14:15:53 ??compile 14:15:55 I don't have a page labeled compile in my learndb. 14:16:07 HangedMan, that entry is quite old. 14:16:11 I'll update it. 14:16:13 sometime.. 14:16:31 mmm 14:16:46 although I think CDO's repos are only updated every 2 min 14:18:32 <|amethyst> you might want to check with Napkin before pointing more people at CDO's repo 14:18:56 <|amethyst> in case the bandwidth could become an issue 14:22:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:39 it doesn't :) 14:24:39 Napkin: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:28:37 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:46 -!- athros has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:31:52 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:22 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 14:37:10 -!- ZRN has quit [] 14:37:13 Napkin, I think - since CDO is based in the EU - I'll be better off w/ Gitorious anyways, thanks. 14:39:22 -!- domi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:03 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:11 you don't get full bandwidth, you mean? 14:45:23 -!- res has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:25 -!- Porost is now known as Kestrel 14:50:28 -!- Kestrel is now known as Porost 14:51:37 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:38 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:36 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:22 Napkin, how do you mean? 15:04:07 well, since it seems to make difference for you between choosing git-repo from NA or EU 15:04:33 latency isn't an issue with git, so i assume you're not getting full bandwidth? 15:04:52 Not sure, this was based off of presumption, wasn't aware latency wasn't an issue w/ git 15:04:57 I'll give CDO a try 15:05:39 just wondering 15:06:05 at least gitorious isn't as slow yet as github was for a while, right? 15:14:47 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:16:07 heh, zot.des never updated F glyph use 15:19:00 -!- Svankensen has quit [Client Quit] 15:24:17 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 15:25:08 so i dunno why we're getting buggy descriptions; i didn't touch anything but jewellery 15:26:12 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:26:17 actually i don't see any buggy items... hm 15:29:41 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:30:36 HangedMan: tar_old didn't either 15:30:43 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:31:00 -!- urthmover has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:32:28 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:35:22 -!- ZebTM has quit [Client Quit] 15:35:53 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:38:12 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:30 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:42:06 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:42:23 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:44:49 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:48:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:51:42 -!- atrodo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52:25 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 15:53:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 15:53:56 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 15:56:02 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:16 -!- Tt is now known as Guest63907 15:57:52 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:13 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:11 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:01:15 -!- Guest63907 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:02:34 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:39 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:39 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 16:08:20 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:09:02 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:16:54 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19:48 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:13 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 16:28:00 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:31:43 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:37:05 -!- CaptainPickles has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:37:28 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2-rdmsoft [XULRunner 12.0/20120420145725]] 16:46:40 |amethyst: oh, apologies, i didn't consider that at all. which pieces did cause problems? 16:47:21 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:15 edlothiol: the glyph mode color update sounds awesome, thanks a bunch already (haven't actually seen it anywhere) 16:53:00 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:54:31 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:24 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:04:16 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:06:33 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:08:14 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 17:08:30 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:09:16 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:13 Zaba: vault info was lost in Pan as well. I wonder though, how to display it: after fixing the data loss, Pan especially is pretty spammy. 17:10:57 perhaps refcounting vaults used multiple times would help, at the cost of being unable to distinguish vaults you got early vs late 17:11:06 -!- flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:14:17 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:41 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:15:53 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 17:20:45 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:37 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:48 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:30:31 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:30:49 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 17:34:40 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:36:18 elliptic: is that a new module since last tourney? 17:36:34 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:41 Wensley: no 17:36:52 super weird 17:37:18 I'm pretty positive I haven't changed anything that could possibly have anything to do with this since two weeks ago (when it worked) 17:37:31 but I can try out a version from then, one sec 17:38:42 yeah, same error 17:38:43 hmm 17:38:58 it's possible that I installed something since then and aptitude removed the python-mysqldb package 17:42:09 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:47 should autofight even consider stuff behind glass? 17:43:41 there might be a way around, possibly even it's just a single glass pillar in the middle of an open room, so just checking the straight way is not enough 17:43:51 kilobyte: it shouldn't if there is no path in sight to get to the monster 17:43:59 yeah 17:45:54 greensnark: ping 17:47:14 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:00 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:48:52 elliptic: okay so I'm pretty pissed about this but apparently the only way to install this thing is to uninstall the mysql that's currently on my system 17:48:59 so watch and see if this breaks wenzell 17:49:11 ugh 17:49:18 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:49:29 ??test 17:49:29 summon butterflies[5/5]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:49:52 ??test 17:49:53 summon butterflies[5/5]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 17:49:57 is it broken 17:50:21 Wensley: what exactly are you trying to test? 17:50:38 kilobyte: I was curious if uninstall mysql would have any effect on wenzell 17:50:42 I know the learndb is not mysql 17:50:48 but not sure if it needs it for something else 17:51:55 elliptic: I think it is pretty funny that the mysql driver requires no mysql to be installed 17:52:08 and now it appears to be impossible to reinstall mysql 17:53:18 you know what 17:53:19 fuck it 17:53:21 Wensley: how come? Could you mention what's borked? 17:53:24 let's do a system upgrade 17:53:30 that will solve everything 17:53:41 kilobyte: vague apt conflicts 17:53:45 do you have a mix of packages with different pins? 17:53:51 no idea 17:54:01 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 17:54:02 is that an "aptitude fix --everything" command 17:54:07 *there 17:54:08 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: I had to change string.partition to string.split, but that's it 17:54:30 in any case I haven't done an upgrade since creating this server a year ago 17:54:32 it's about time 17:55:03 that would be the case if you were pinned to some release, installed a bunch of newer packages, yet your apt is still told to prefer the lower release 17:55:31 "apt-cache policy $package_that_failed_to_install" can help 17:56:03 |amethyst: let's hope nobody is going to write lua comments like " -- do not ask -- even if" because i wouldn't guarantee it works with that :) 17:57:03 should be equivalent though if we only care about the non-comment part so yeah, thanks for applying the stuff! 17:57:05 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: it will, and still should 17:57:07 ChrisOelmueller: does -- in lua ignore the rest of the line, or only to the next -- ? 17:58:52 kilobyte: the former i very much hope 17:59:54 -!- Jaxy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:07 the latter is more sgml compatible 18:06:45 elliptic: hilariously, it appears to be impossible have both mysql and python's mysql interface installed at the same time 18:06:51 well not impossible 18:06:56 just a fucking pain 18:07:00 most likely 18:07:21 oh my gooood 18:07:24 now I know what's wrong 18:07:35 lol pebkac 18:07:48 what's that command to update your debian default things 18:08:11 alternatives something 18:08:28 it's uh thingy 18:11:35 for some unfathomable reason I had python2.7 as my default 18:11:35 Wensley: this sounds sort of promising even though I have no idea what is going on :P 18:11:38 ah 18:11:52 I think I was testing something 18:11:56 but I can't 18:11:57 remember 18:13:26 hm, even though I changed my default back to 2.6, aptitude thinks that 2.7 is installed 18:14:28 python2.6 and python 2.7 are co-installable 18:15:34 not if you want all your debian packages to work 18:15:39 for example 18:15:47 can't install python-mysql unless your python is less than 2.7 18:15:58 which mine currently is, but aptitude can't tell for some reason 18:16:05 you have to change your default back 18:16:08 I did 18:16:09 and maybe your default python2 18:16:17 update alternatives --config python did the trick 18:16:18 i had a lot of headache with this before 18:16:23 I can type "python" and get to 2.6 18:16:24 it works 18:16:27 but not for aptitude 18:16:45 aptitude remove aptitude 18:16:49 ls -l `which python2` 18:17:26 ain't got no python2 18:17:31 crazy 18:17:43 this has never been a problem in the past 18:17:58 that's totally what i had to do for debian 18:18:07 is point python2 at python2.6 18:18:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 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features, bah 21:11:43 -!- Ideocl4st has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:26 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 21:12:40 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:47 It would be really nice to have a drag and drop interface that could generate procedural generators. 21:16:15 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:19:24 is there much of a point to luniq_mini when it's mostly only used in rather old vaults? 21:20:28 FR: Ouroboros? 21:21:31 -!- rwbarton has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:22:17 a snake that can only constrict? 21:35:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:40 HangedMan: can you make some abyssal castles? I'm trying to make a large circular castle, but there's no way I can procedurally generate the insides 21:36:02 mmm? subvaults? 21:36:05 yeah 21:36:18 what are the size restrictions? 21:36:29 http://i.imgur.com/m1xYw.png -- I can do stuff like this with ease 21:37:49 needs procedurally random ridge columns, every open map is more tactically interesting with pillars 21:40:09 03MarvinPA * rc950061b3ab5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (melee_attack.cc ng-setup.cc): Remove some references to staves being doublehanded 21:43:55 so what do you want exactly out of "abyssal castles"? innards like lemuel_castle_with_subvaults? just nasty themed stuff like some abyssal rune or abyss-unique minivaults? random gimmicks? 21:44:49 (also I would still kill for being able to define "abyssal walls" in vaults) 21:49:25 HangedMan: What should an abyssal wall do? 21:50:02 a spot still defined by the vault that morphs like the rest of the abyss 21:50:43 that's just the abyss ;) 21:51:04 but with items and such? 21:51:50 well, just moved around by the vault and such 21:52:55 <|amethyst> you'd need to provide some way (probably via a KMASK?) to remove MMT_VAULT 21:52:56 look at abyss_rune_macabre_mess and abyss_rune_flesh_and_stone: there's empty spaces left in the map definition so that the abyss can specifically more only in those spots 21:53:06 <|amethyst> oh, that works? 21:53:31 but it can't be transformed as a glyph like the rest of the map 21:54:07 <|amethyst> hm 21:54:58 <|amethyst> yeah, minmay_lair_end_enchanted_forest could use the same thing 21:55:03 (of course, being able to define empty spaces for any map would be amazing itself in what one could do with variating the size or margins or whatever of a vault) 21:55:26 -!- Fear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:56:04 did that cruel silence altar of mine get merged? 21:56:59 not yet 21:57:55 -!- Fear_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:58:58 -!- Fear__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:59:46 <|amethyst> Ve haff vays of making you tock 21:59:47 <|amethyst> doh 22:00:03 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:26 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:37 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:11 wrong channel...? 22:01:20 <|amethyst> as usual :) 22:01:31 #bdsm 22:02:29 ...nice? 22:03:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:03:32 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 22:04:04 regarding vault stuff, I finally have some free time, so I'll get to it this weekend 22:04:06 -!- Fear has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04:11 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:15 I'm assuming the "cruel silence altar" is on mantis 22:05:38 I think so 22:06:03 It's a lugo altar with a silent spectre in a box (with a door) separated by normal abyss 22:06:39 the door ruins it 22:08:37 -!- Benhimself has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:06 Wensley: the door faces away from the altar. 22:09:17 and there's a bunch of abyss in the middle 22:09:55 what I mean is, I just want a silent spectre in an inescapable stone box, with about ten lugonu altars all within the aura 22:10:32 ensley there have to be the appearances of sporting chances and unique memorable tricks to evoke triumph so that later on and elsewhere being non-gimmickly cruel to actually kill hurts that much more 22:11:05 ??game design[2 22:11:05 game design[2/2]: <+evilmike> Wensley: ideally, you should make levels that kill players, not levels that make players want to kill themselves 22:11:11 I still disagree 22:11:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:11:29 i think a silent spectre that you can't get to with lugonu altars would be cool 22:11:32 it'd be a nice flavour vault 22:11:58 not like the abyss has much of a beter theme than being torturously painful right now anyway, so it fits well :P 22:12:00 <|amethyst> might as well just use an altar mimic then 22:12:21 if only moths of suppression cancelled silence, you could kite one to the altars to worship 22:12:28 |amethyst: +1 22:12:41 altar mimic with a silent spectre 22:12:47 you'd have to make those work first! 22:12:52 elliott_crushing_defeat 22:13:05 -!- sacredchao has quit [Changing host] 22:13:06 elliott_abyssal_despair 22:13:11 <|amethyst> altar mimics don't work? 22:13:21 elliptic: do moths of suppression not suppress silent spectres? 22:13:25 nope 22:13:26 it sounds like they should. Wensley?? 22:13:33 <|amethyst> why would they? 22:13:36 elliott: only items 22:13:38 they shouldn't really unless you are wearing the spectre 22:13:42 this is the mantra 22:13:48 fr wearing silent spectres 22:13:50 so decrees someonepa 22:13:58 Here: a silent spectre hide 22:14:02 silent spectre armour gives you permanent silence aura 22:14:13 and -AC 22:14:14 good for pure-melee demigods?? 22:14:18 because you are wearing a ghost 22:14:34 <|amethyst> change Maxwell's -CAST to Silence aura 22:14:46 Wait -- do Altar mimics work? 22:14:55 |amethyst: leave silence aura, but give it a negative spell enhancer 22:14:59 and then have it cursed 22:15:09 |amethyst: ++ for maxwell's being something more interesting than -cast 22:15:09 hangedman: omph. 22:15:21 though nerfing maxwell's seems like a bad idea :P 22:15:50 <|amethyst> silence aura isn't a strict nerf 22:15:52 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:16:05 I think it's actually closer to a buff 22:16:19 Given that you can't read most emergency scrolls with -tele anyway 22:16:25 <|amethyst> that was my thought, but losing scrolls and god abilities is pretty bad 22:16:34 the -tele would stay, presumably 22:16:34 Oh yeah, god abilities 22:16:38 and well to a character that doesn't bother with spells, the -cast just doesn't mean anything 22:16:44 losing scrolls sounds incredibly annoying 22:16:50 but not being able to use god abilities, not being able to shout (useful for luring stuff out), not being able to read any scrolls at all, 22:16:53 and irreversible 22:16:57 bh: very important to know principles as excuses for two liches and two curse toes guarding stairs in zot 22:17:00 <|amethyst> elliott: you can't even abandon your god :) 22:17:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:17:09 |amethyst: make CK start with it 22:17:33 I got murdered by Aizul after I forgot I couldn't rage while silent. 22:17:37 Tension-based silence aura! :P 22:18:00 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-601-g087851d 22:18:01 these are all bad ideas. 22:18:06 would maxwell's actually lose anything if the -cast was taken away? 22:18:35 <|amethyst> Just tested: altar mimic does work 22:18:38 it's not like it's very interesting since it amounts to you can't use it if you are casting any spells, although I guess if you find it early you can decide you want it more than haste or whatever 22:18:40 bh: Never claimed otherwise! 22:19:02 |amethyst: ring of lugo altars, some number are mimics? :) 22:19:04 silence as sif wrath effect! (not like that wrath isn't already ridiculous) 22:19:08 even then you could just switch to something that isn't maxwell's if you find good spells 22:19:30 there's a good player (I think it's mikee) who says he uses maxwell's when he finds it 22:19:32 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:46 mikee_ has used maxwell's, yes 22:19:50 |amethyst: oh, was thinking of them never naturally spawning 22:20:15 it seems like an alright unrand, anyway. way more interesting than a lot of other armour ones 22:20:17 evilmike: well he also said the knife of accuracy is a good item because you can use it for slimify :P 22:20:38 I'll believe him 22:20:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:20:56 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 22:22:31 slimify is a bit powerful. Is there anything you can't slime? 22:23:05 demons, holies, orbs of fire 22:23:43 (okay nonliving also has elec golems) 22:24:27 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:36:11 hangedman: did you ever submit any commands 22:36:46 !hangedman 22:36:46 ['commands/hangedman.py', 'elliott', 'elliott', '!hangedman', '', ''] 22:36:53 hangedman's command 22:38:25 wensley: only demand would be !vault/!source linking to gitorious/CDO instead of pastes 22:38:48 argh -- I hate it when I accidentally run `make` instead of `make debug` 22:38:53 apparently this is not ##crawl 22:39:41 -!- res has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:45 FR: Mummy unique Rutentuten 22:44:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:47:03 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:47:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:48:03 FR: TAGS: bruniq 22:56:34 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:02:38 -!- netkitten has quit [Quit: netkitten] 23:06:06 Debian builds of 0.11 branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-b1-153-g9494c8e 23:06:27 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:33 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:08:40 or is it 23:09:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:39 hangedman: what would that do? 23:11:40 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:11 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:59 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:18 -!- MorganL has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 23:22:43 branch-unique as opposed to level-unique, some of my current vault submittals/projects have noticable branch-casing contents shifts and judging from _spider_trapstep they'll get allow_dup but it's weird to get the same vault on consecutive floors 23:24:03 hmm -- how infrequent should I make this castle. Once ever 32,000 squares? 23:25:56 -!- Salivanth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:26:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:28:13 obvious, large, orderly structures in abyss would make the unspoiled but paranoid and unexperienced expect runes or exits, those castles would need good subvaults 23:29:47 hangedman: I'm adding orderly structures. Makes life more interesting 23:30:41 -!- y2s82 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:23 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 23:31:41 well, yes, but in terms of "vaults" compared to "layout stuff" I can see people more apprehensive of large forts compared to endless rivers 23:32:49 spoiler -- endless river isn't endless. It's just kinda long 23:33:52 oh? can one find their ends? 23:34:41 yes. It was a tradeoff I made for having them go in different directions 23:36:03 stuff at the end of the rivers sounds like another subvault opportunity 23:36:39 I think it's probably better not to do anything special there... 23:36:52 I don't think the abyss should be a game of "find the river and then travel down it" 23:37:00 * hangedman shrugs 23:37:39 evilmike: I can easily boost the rarity 23:37:56 not to place reward vaults, just bits of decoration and interest 23:38:15 bh: true. and theres nothing wrong with just having cosmetic stuff 23:38:50 my thought is just that the rivers will work better as a terrain feature, rather than some kind of "path" guiding you to a rune or exit 23:39:21 definitely. They're just rivers with trees. I guess they're useful if you're a Merfolk 23:40:39 this kind of tree? http://monsterfinder.dndrunde.de/details.php?id=1032 23:41:51 evilmike: I'm using mangroves 23:41:53 ??mangrove 23:41:54 mangrove[1/1]: A tree you can't see through. Found in the new 0.11 Swamp. 23:42:01 should I not? 23:42:12 well, I think abyssal trees would be better 23:42:23 fr treefolk 23:42:31 !seen onticlasm 23:42:32 Sorry hangedman, I haven't seen onticlasm. 23:42:40 the ridiculous "octopus tree" monster I linked to was what I was thinking of 23:42:47 !seen ontoclasm 23:42:47 I last saw ontoclasm at Fri Sep 21 21:05:41 2012 UTC (7h 37m 6s ago) saying that was bullshit on ##crawl. 23:43:29 it's a tree where the branches are tentacles, basically. part of the long tradition of D&D monsters where the idea is just [random word] + [random animal] (or the other way around) 23:43:53 evilmike: yeah, I'd like to have an abyssal tree. I'd also like for trees to not be ♣'s 23:44:08 the latter can be changed in your config file 23:44:29 Trees that sometimes slap you if you're nearby, ocassionally blinking you :P 23:44:36 oh? how? 23:44:46 I remember ontoclasm making some thorny purple tendrils as demonic plant tiles back when I submitted _spin_cycle 23:45:53 bh: note that if you just make the trees a feature (rather than a bizarre monster), you could use a renamed mangrove 23:46:05 no need for a new feature type. just give it a different name, tile, desc, etc 23:46:14 pandemonium does this with rock walls, for example 23:46:40 "a tree of the wierd substance which makes up the Abyss" 23:47:22 evilmike: how do I change the tree character? 23:47:36 ??options guide 23:47:37 rcfile[2/3]: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt; 23:47:47 -!- Ideocl4st has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:21 it's somewhere in there :P 23:48:46 ah, here it is 23:48:58 dracoomega: I'm reminded of an idea for a horror game involving crowding hordes of featureless people that would always stand back, watch, and not flinch when you kill them to pass through, but would really rarely and randomly just lash out 23:49:00 "feature = tree {7} 23:49:08 " 23:49:13 pilcrows are way better 23:50:07 fr: abyssal trees only attack when the player is looking away 23:50:09 probably too passive for an interpretation of lurking horrors 23:50:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:52:33 evilmike: feature = tree {0x00B6} -- will that do what I hope it will do? 23:53:09 I have no idea what x00B6 is, but I guess so? 23:53:21 Try it and see 23:53:48 I suppose it's a pilcrow 23:56:13 -!- Senri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]