00:00:59 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-b1-131-g99efd1b (33) 00:04:41 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-131-g99efd1b 00:07:39 Windows builds of pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-b1-131-g99efd1b 00:09:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-557-gab169d3 (34) 00:15:47 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:16:08 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:55 -!- CIA-101 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:31:00 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:32:22 -!- JackRogers has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:52 -!- idiolect has quit [Quit: idiolect] 00:34:20 -!- squimmy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:06 -!- CIA-67 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:39:00 -!- Middlemoor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:41:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 00:43:24 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:44:10 -!- sbluen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:50:25 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:56 -!- CIA-67 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:02 -!- colluphid has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:01:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02:11 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:02:27 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:07:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:46 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: hyperbole and a half ftw] 01:25:24 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:27:51 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:26 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:40 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:45:31 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:47:32 03doy * rad162e164298 10/crawl-ref/source/ (directn.cc target.cc target.h): more useful explosion/cloud targetting 01:49:55 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:51:15 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:52:17 OMGWTFBBQ... a doy commit!?! 01:52:45 cool! 01:55:16 -!- JackRogers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:41 rax, |amethyst: CDO has forced upgrades (within the same major save tag version), invokable manually. Since major tags get bumped less than once a year, making that 60 day timeout force-transfer the game would be better than deleting it. 01:57:23 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:31 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:01:50 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 02:07:16 -!- minced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:18:09 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:20 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:19:28 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:49 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:29 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:38 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:49 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:42 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:52 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:11 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:26 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 02:35:04 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:35:10 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 02:35:44 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:36:20 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:36:38 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:14 -!- dtsund has quit [*.net *.split] 02:43:14 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [*.net *.split] 02:43:14 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 02:43:14 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 02:44:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:45:00 wow 02:45:19 apparently +Dam slaying currently doesn't affect the main unarmed attack at all 02:46:34 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47:11 huh 02:47:14 who noticed? 02:47:42 I did just now 02:47:51 when making a different change 02:48:01 so, no one noticed it in game :o 02:49:32 I feel silly for not noticing this when I noticed that slaying wasn't affecting magical staves six months ago 02:49:48 (which also wasn't noticed in-game) 02:49:51 !tell mikee apparently +Dam slaying currently doesn't affect the main unarmed attack at all 02:49:51 elliott: OK, I'll let mikee know. 02:49:54 oops, wrong mikee 02:49:55 !tell mikee_ apparently +Dam slaying currently doesn't affect the main unarmed attack at all 02:49:56 elliott: OK, I'll let mikee_ know. 02:50:16 have to keep him updated on all the latest slaying news 02:52:32 does he even play unarmed characters? :P 02:52:35 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:52:47 maybe he will once elliptic fixes this 02:53:05 I thought his style was to hit things with the biggest axe he could find 02:53:13 fists are just another kind of axe 02:54:23 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:49 -!- ark_____ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:50 -!- ark____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03:47 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:40 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:07:06 -!- phrzn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:18:01 -!- bakaflockaflame has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:02 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:19:18 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:49 -!- eb has quit [] 03:20:59 |amethyst: I think trunk should simply force players to upgrade. There's no reason to avoid the latest version 03:21:16 appart from exploiting a bug or avoiding a nerf 03:21:46 so forced upgrade is better IMO 03:23:24 or playing a removed combo 03:23:33 nasty surprise to start playing an MDSt and the next day it's gone 03:27:18 -!- maha has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 03:27:32 nah, when stuff is removed it's often simply disabled 03:27:44 you can play a mountain dwarf in 0.10, for example, if you upgrade a 0.9 save 03:30:23 right, but it gets removed when save compat is broken, no? 03:30:40 so it'd have to be a very long-running MDSt I guess :P 03:30:52 if old trunk versions were kept when save compatibility was broken that would be reasonable, of course 03:31:16 (there's also very long-running zigscumming games and the like that trip past save compatibility breaks, after all) 03:36:39 well, obviously you can't force people to stop playing old versions if save compat is broken 03:36:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:07 right. I just think dropping games would be unfortunate 03:37:19 though of course the majority of games aren't like that and it's more important to keep things running for them 03:37:45 I don't think anyone's proposed just dropping ongoing games (unless they've been inactive for a long time) 03:40:18 03elliptic * rff58cbac08ca 10/crawl-ref/source/ (melee_attack.cc melee_attack.h): Fix +Dam slaying not increasing the damage of the main unarmed attack. 03:40:18 03elliptic * r27b31c86dba6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (melee_attack.cc melee_attack.h): Move some multipliers later in the melee damage calculation. 03:40:18 03elliptic 07stone_soup-0.11 * r6224ce010062 10/crawl-ref/source/ (melee_attack.cc melee_attack.h): Fix +Dam slaying not increasing the damage of the main unarmed attack. 03:41:46 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:07 idea: if save compat bumps would be as infrequent as in the last couple of years, it's possible to have separate DGL entries for different tag-major games 03:43:25 this would allow throwing away all the upgrade logic 03:43:59 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:42 -!- Guest51976 is now known as _dd 03:46:36 -!- Deathmic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:50:33 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:48 elliott: save compat break would obvioulsy be the exception. I'm just saying that when playing trunk if a save can be upgraded, there's no good reason to not do it. 03:56:28 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:58:20 kilobyte: aren't exp_docked and exp_docked_total obsolete? Cannot ash_reduce_penance be simplified? 03:59:12 err sorry for using so many negatives :P 03:59:59 that code made sense when the penance took X exp for you at 50% rate 04:00:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:50 yeah I know 04:01:04 that's why I'm saying it's obsolete and could be simplified 04:01:41 -!- ark_____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01:52 -!- ark_____ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:58 someone reported a D:1 shaft trap. I thought they were forbidden on D:1, but it doesn't seem to be the case 04:13:28 (without checking the code) IIRC they are allowed on D:1, but special-cased to allow dropping you only to D:2 04:14:02 oh, that must be it 04:14:17 also, they are quite likely to be generated known (but not guaranteed) 04:14:38 lid.depth += 1 + random2(min(lid.depth, 3)); 04:15:01 -!- BanMido_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:15:23 oh, this also means shafts on Swamp:1 will drop you only to Swamp:2 04:15:30 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:15:50 (and $BRANCH:2 to $BRANCH:3 or $BRANCH:4) 04:16:21 what seems wrong to me, though, is known shafts working differently 04:17:22 they are far less likely to drop you far, but D:1 -> D:4 is allowed 04:17:52 nasty 04:19:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:20:15 60739d90, the commit is from some "Alex MacDonald", pushed by dpeg 04:21:07 -!- Senri has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:27:18 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 04:28:21 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:28:45 -!- wasd has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:29:21 -!- Deathmic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:31:04 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:12 -!- evilmike has quit [] 04:34:01 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:10 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40:58 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46:35 -!- unlisted has quit [Client Quit] 04:57:21 if you've got agoraphobia, don't go to xkcd today 05:01:09 or if you have OCD and value your time 05:01:09 Zaba: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:01:09 !messages 05:01:09 (1/1) |amethyst said (9h 51m 9s ago): if you have ideas about #6240 (where a minivault placed with only its stone walls overlapping the rest of the level, and hence disconnected), feel free to re-open it 05:01:09 |amethyst, it may be that I (and, indeed, the author of the vault) misunderstood minivault placement all long. All it guarantees is that a part of the vault overlaps with the level - and it does. 05:01:09 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-560-g27b31c8 05:01:09 |amethyst, if connectivity is important, it either needs to be surrounded by floor, or mini_float'ed 05:01:42 -!- ark_____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:00 -!- ark_____ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:07:39 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 05:15:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:21:22 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:22:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:25:43 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:26:31 -!- fourfall has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:21 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:44:44 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:08 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:45:14 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:53:04 -!- fourfall is now known as freefall 05:57:10 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 06:00:15 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:59 -!- ark_____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:02:02 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 06:02:08 -!- ark_____ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:09 -!- absolutego is now known as absolutego_ 06:06:04 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:19 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:32 -!- VideoGames has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:10:16 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:07 -!- Predelnik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21:15 -!- Eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:28:45 -!- VengefulCarrot has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:35:42 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:08 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:30 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:54:19 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:15 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:01:57 -!- ark_____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02:10 -!- ark_____ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:24 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:12 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:57 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 07:12:55 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:18:27 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:36 Who manages cdo, specifically, mantis? 07:24:43 -!- ark_____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:25:39 Cryp71c_: Napkin does 07:25:48 but I have some admin rights on mantis 07:27:01 galehar: ever noticed any settings for the mantisconnect api? Got an android app but I'm getting invalid password errors 07:36:51 Cryp71c_: I'll have a look 07:37:00 Napkin: have you ever had anyone use the mantisconnect api that's installed on cdo's mantis? 07:37:25 i think so, but i don't remember 07:39:43 doesn't seem like something which can be configured in the web interface, so out of my league 07:40:28 kilobyte: hey, I just noticed that the status when reopening a bug is configurable. We're not forced to go through feedback 07:40:56 oh, cool 07:40:58 should I allow acknowledge, confirmed and assigned? 07:41:18 Napkin: hrm, having issues. I have the api path correct, I think...it throws a username/password error, but I'm quite sure the password is correct. 07:41:19 which one should be default? 07:41:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:41:46 -!- absolutego_ is now known as absolutego 07:41:52 "reopened" has the problem of not being shown when you filter for open bugs 07:42:30 how about putting them in confirmed state 07:42:47 if you reopen a bug, it's confirmed I guess 07:42:55 "reopened" is not a status 07:43:55 what's bad about feedback? 07:44:06 Cryp71c_: which app are you using? 07:45:17 -!- Pingas_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:10 -!- HellTiger has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:10 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:11 -!- DainHome has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:11 -!- Pingas has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:11 -!- Isvaffel has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:11 -!- laite has quit [*.net *.split] 07:46:11 Napkin: when you reopen a bug, you don't necessarily want feedback on it. If you just want to assign it to yourself for example, it's annoying to have to go throught several steps. 07:47:02 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:22 galehar: mantisbt 07:48:09 use "update"? 07:48:23 the reopening is for users, not for the devs 07:48:24 I'm using https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/api/soap/mantisconnect.php as the api path 07:48:36 it's hard to think of a case where you'd want feedback on a bug you reopened: you reopen them when 1. you wanted to close something else, or 2. you disagree that the bug was indeed fixed 07:48:38 Napkin: does that sound right? 07:49:02 the "reopening button" is for users, not for the devs 07:49:05 Napkin: if you merely update, the bug stays closed 07:49:12 file exists, Cryp71c_ 07:49:56 Grrrr...will figure it out 07:50:01 Brb 07:50:15 Cryp71c_: what error do you get exactly? 07:50:21 currently you need to do three things to return the bug to fully open state (and it's impossible to return it to the way most bugs are shown as) 07:50:23 Cryp71c_: but but... It's not free! 2.5$! 07:51:13 O_o 07:51:33 "update" button? or doesn't that work for you? 07:52:29 Napkin: when updating the issue, only feedback is available in the status combo box 07:52:36 Napkin, "Login Failed Invalid Username/Password." 07:52:36 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:52:37 Cryp71c: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:52:41 galehar, lol, yeah.. 07:52:43 !messages 07:52:43 (1/1) minqmay said (15h 4m 35s ago): "i wish dpeg had replied to this thread before anyone else it might have turned into something funny then" is apparently a cryptic minmayism. do you know anything of this 07:53:27 that's cryptic... 07:54:19 ...wha? 07:55:07 Cryp71c: you sure that's the raw message or the interpreted one? i only see other text as error messages 07:55:19 Napkin, its likely an interpretted one. 07:55:31 Let me see if there is a way to test / fake a soap request. 07:55:36 and get the raw error 07:56:04 Napkin, ohhh, wait...mantisbt is intended for mantis 1.2.x 07:56:25 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Bye] 07:57:14 !tell minqmay I have no idea what you mean...what is a 'cryptic minmayism' (unless you're using "Cryptic" in the general sense of the word, and in that case...I'm confused what it has to do with me) 07:57:14 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let minqmay know. 07:59:40 Cryp71c: I think minqmay was just faking to misunderstand people telling he said a "cryptic minmayism" 07:59:48 I doubt it has anything to do with you 08:00:01 Why'd he !tell me then? I am so confused. 08:00:32 don't put why and minmay in the same sentence 08:03:08 -!- Salivanth has quit [Client Quit] 08:03:20 learn add minmay 08:14:13 ??minmay 08:14:13 minmay[1/15]: MuIE seems better than SpEn 08:14:21 haha, minmay 08:16:03 is gcc-4.7 on macOS X supported to build crawl? 08:16:06 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5791 08:17:09 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:17:18 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:26 <|amethyst> galehar: alarm() supposedly needs unistd.h; I guess signal.h happened to work with earlier GCC 08:21:18 -!- domi_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:07 <|amethyst> and it looks like the BUILD_LUA logic uses PKGCONFIG even if NO_PKGCONFIG was set earlier 08:25:36 <|amethyst> ("uses" in a way that still builds contrib Lua if pkg-config is missing, so those error messages might be the only problem 08:28:59 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:29:21 |amethyst: maybe you can answer directly to the tavern post :) 08:30:51 <|amethyst> I don't have gcc 4.7.1 handy to test a potential fix, but I can suggest the user try it 08:31:21 <|amethyst> I'd like kilobyte's input on the Makefile thing (with pkg-config) 08:32:00 |amethyst: gcc 4.7.1 on Mac, you mean? 08:33:04 4.7.1-9 on both my primary devel machines 08:33:27 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm 08:33:34 -!- laite has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:33:39 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess that's a libc thing and not a compiler thing 08:34:47 gcc's trunk works too (compiled past crash.cc) 08:35:47 blindly #including doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, assuming it works on Windows 08:36:02 <|amethyst> I was thinking inside the #ifdef USE_UNIX_SIGNALS 08:36:56 even better 08:37:01 <|amethyst> on Windows (unless UNIX is also set) we include a prototype for alarm 08:37:27 let's do that, then 08:37:39 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the pkg-config thing in the Makefile starts around line 551 08:38:28 <|amethyst> kilobyte: we could just redirect stderr there, or force BUILD_LUA if NO_PKGCONFIG is defined 08:39:18 <|amethyst> hm 08:39:49 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:40:18 <|amethyst> actually, I guess maybe unistd.h should just be in an #ifdef UNIX 08:40:52 <|amethyst> oh, files.cc already includes it, great 08:44:53 03kilobyte * r7827b0f2ea76 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Force contrib lua if pkg-config is not installed. 08:45:19 03|amethyst * r3867c10a50cd 10/crawl-ref/source/crash.cc: Include a header. 08:47:26 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:50:09 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.11 * r62a4722836a9 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Force contrib lua if pkg-config is not installed. 08:50:10 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.11 * r2d3d3574fa0f 10/crawl-ref/source/crash.cc: Include a header. 08:52:05 -!- BanMido_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:00:39 -!- SakuyaIz1yoi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28:32 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:29:10 Tolias (L27 HOGl) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 432 failed. (Abyss) 09:29:23 -!- Maxxillo_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:31:07 Link error: g++: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-rdynamic’ (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6243) by ldierk 09:34:24 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:36:17 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:26 -!- onwiheg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40:00 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:48:17 -!- Rewans has quit [] 09:51:48 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:03 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm... so I guess OS X gcc 4.7.1 doesn't have -rdynamic (see #6243); should we check for that at configure time? 10:09:49 03|amethyst * r0046b4b75a5c 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Avoid a kraken-cleaving crash. 10:11:54 -!- SakuyaIz1yoi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:17 03|amethyst * re2ef69087ff7 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Don't give a message for monster offscreen Drain Life (#6242). 10:18:18 03|amethyst * rfec53b078324 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Fix compilation (oops). 10:20:08 03dolorous * rf3c43c2e2ea4 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Add formatting fix. 10:32:13 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:22 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:55 -!- Sigmar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:36:19 <|amethyst> oops, thanks dolorous 10:36:28 <|amethyst> it's apparently too early for me to be writing code 10:38:57 -!- Maxxillo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:48:47 -!- SakuyaIz1yoi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:51:53 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:57:04 -!- ldierk has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:00:15 03|amethyst * rddc6546b3ff2 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Don't cleave on a self-attack. 11:00:42 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:01:31 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 11:03:32 -!- rwbarton has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:06:57 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 11:07:04 -!- sacredchao is now known as stenno 11:13:50 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:15:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:31 -!- idiolect has quit [Quit: idiolect] 11:21:30 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:33 -!- Guest55539 is now known as jarpiain 11:25:50 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:27:02 -!- Benhimself has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:33:09 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:55 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:38:28 -!- elliott has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:33 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:38:34 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:50 to #6243: I didn't install gnu binutils, so ld still points to a llvm ld. I'm trying to install gnu binutils... 11:43:52 ld -v 11:43:52 @(#)PROGRAM:ld PROJECT:ld64-133.3 11:43:52 configured to support archs: armv6 armv7 i386 x86_64 11:43:52 LTO support using: LLVM version 3.1svn, from Apple Clang 4.0 (build 421.0.60) 11:47:23 <|amethyst> that could be it 11:47:32 <|amethyst> s/could be/is probably/ 11:52:32 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:54:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:58:48 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00:05 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:12 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:12 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:13 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:14:45 me too, kilobyte: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640499#56 12:14:56 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:56 hm building the binutils, does not build ld for some reason... 12:18:11 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:24 <|amethyst> Napkin: wow 12:18:54 i just ended reading that BR with f****** b****** 12:19:17 <|amethyst> Napkin: a patch was ready a year ago, XSF complained about not having manpower to apply it four months ago.... so it's not going into Wheezy 12:19:43 hence my saying 12:19:46 ;) 12:20:07 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20:40 -!- ophanim is now known as afkanim 12:21:17 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:21:52 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:42 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:26:39 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:29:26 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 12:32:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:36 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 12:38:27 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:40:00 -!- faze has quit [K-Lined] 12:45:07 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:47:23 hrm, concocting plans for revising some DS muts based on old feedback that never qutie got followed 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because that would give too many rights to the riff-raff^W^Wnon-DDs 14:30:31 indeed, debian folks grow that attitude over time 14:30:38 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:46 and there's nothing you can do to help them recognize 14:31:08 except not using the crap they produce out of such mindsets 14:31:23 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:38 <|amethyst> Someone prepare a slashdot submission: "Debian Wheezy will not support the NVidia driver on 32-bit systems" 14:32:48 heh 14:35:13 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:40:35 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:43:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:47:14 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:57:24 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:32 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:06 !seen doy 14:58:07 Sorry dpeg, I haven't seen doy. 14:58:14 !seen sorear 14:58:14 Sorry dpeg, I haven't seen sorear. 14:58:25 There was a commit today by one of them. 15:01:30 <_dd> i've made shieldless tiles (+ shield tiles) for donald & louise now 15:01:30 _dd: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:01:36 <_dd> !messages 15:01:36 (1/1) alefury said (3d 8h 6m 24s ago): some feedback about your mummy tiles: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=76543#p76543 15:02:10 <_dd> meh... 15:02:31 <_dd> anyway, are there any other uniques that'd need to be fixed 15:02:49 <_dd> i looked briefly but didn't spot any besides donald & louise 15:04:23 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:28 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:05:35 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:05:42 !tickle dpeg 15:05:55 yeah, doy made a commit 15:06:06 Ieeek, my whole family is ticklish. 15:06:19 !cheers foy 15:06:20 * Wenzell slides a flagon of tequila across the bar to foy, on the house. 15:06:25 erm, next one 15:06:27 !cheers doy 15:06:28 * Wenzell slides a boot full of scotch across the bar to doy, on the house. 15:07:37 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09:09 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:09:37 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11:17 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:20 -!- RandyBobandy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:14:38 -!- ereinion has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:31 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:58 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:19:01 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:20:03 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:20:19 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:27 -!- ldierk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:43 -!- ldierk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:15 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:46 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:26:52 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:10 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:35:02 -!- domi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35:54 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:35:54 -!- ereinion has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43:47 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:26 -!- Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 15:50:41 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:53:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:55:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:38 <_dd> hm it's a bit annoying how you can easily kill eg. wights by conjuring flame and then shooting them from behind the fire 15:58:01 -!- johnthebear has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:10 <_dd> the enemy just stands there taking it up the armor while you slaughter it... 15:58:17 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:58:18 what makes that annoying? 15:58:30 oh, the monster ai is bad 15:58:37 <_dd> well not as much annoying as kind of boring 15:58:50 <_dd> yeah the ai could be improved in some cases i think 15:59:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:10 <_dd> like, the monsters can already think "fire bad, avoid fire" 15:59:36 <_dd> so why can't they take the next logical step and think "standing still while being shot bad, must find another route" 16:00:25 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:31 <_dd> like, if the monster is trying to get to the player, and the way is blocked by fire, or something, and they're taking damage from the player, then they'd retreat or try to find another way to get to the player 16:00:54 <_dd> the same should apply if there's lava or deep water in between 16:02:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:42 There is something like with water and reaching. 16:03:53 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:30 <_dd> i don't know much about ai coding, would it be terribly different to implement a bit more intelligent behaviour in cases like these? 16:04:36 <_dd> difficult* 16:05:01 actually, it's implemented, but the monster needs AI >= animal 16:05:10 <_dd> oh 16:05:17 <_dd> i guess wights don't qualify then 16:05:20 so it only works with monsters dumb as plants 16:05:55 <_dd> i just find it kind of odd that they're smart enough to avoid walking to the fire (unlike zombies) 16:06:05 <_dd> but not smart enough to not stand still while the player fires at them 16:06:08 wight have normal intelligence though, so it should work 16:06:23 <_dd> hm is it recent implementation 16:06:26 oh, yeah I know 16:06:37 somewhat recent, like a few months old 16:06:49 <_dd> oh well then it's not working i guess 16:06:51 they don't pathfind around clouds 16:07:02 <_dd> oh 16:07:08 so they think they can get to you but actually don't walk into the fire 16:07:13 it's complicated 16:07:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:07:55 pathfinding around clouds is something I've considered and is rotting on my todo 16:08:01 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 16:08:34 <_dd> yeah well i think it'd be nice 16:08:42 I do too :) 16:08:51 but so many things to code, so little time... 16:09:23 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 16:10:08 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 16:12:16 and it's somehow never *really* urgent 16:12:21 <_dd> i 'd love to try to help with the code, but i got a headache when i tried to learn c++... something about the language just makes my brain want to shut down... 16:12:39 so might seem like not such a big gain for quite a lot of work 16:12:44 -!- Predelnik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:13:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:29 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16:27 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:17:07 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:45 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:34 -!- laite has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:27:13 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:16 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:32:19 -!- nago has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:34:20 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:30 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:17 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:33 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:39:34 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:41:20 -!- idiolect has quit [Quit: idiolect] 16:50:18 -!- domi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:26 -!- KaminaSquirtle has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:01:24 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:08 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:02:11 -!- drag0n_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:03:05 -!- domi is now known as domi_ 17:04:36 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:07:53 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:17 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:31 -!- Sab0t has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:11:53 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:12:28 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:37 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:43 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:22 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:22 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:18 arn (L20 MiBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 432 failed. (Shoals:3) 17:26:14 cleaving a kraken, should be fixed 17:29:47 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:29 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 17:32:44 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:30 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:37:34 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:09 03galehar * r63eb700e85e3 10/ (.gitmodules crawl-ref/source/contrib/sdl-android): Add Telya's android SDL port as a submodule. 17:42:10 03galehar * rd64bc7258009 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Move the Android files out of the root dir. 17:42:10 03galehar * r08c2fd73e5df 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/develop/android.txt source/Makefile): A makefile target to build android using the new submodule. 17:43:41 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:46:16 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-570-g08c2fd7 (34) 17:56:10 blueeyedlion (L1 MuSu) (D:1) 17:57:00 <|amethyst> !lm blueeyedlion crash -log 17:57:01 1. blueeyedlion, XL1 MuSu, T:253 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/blueeyedlion/crash-blueeyedlion-20120919-225151.txt 17:58:08 blueeyedlion (L2 MuSu) (D:1) 17:59:00 <|amethyst> yell -*> direction_chooser::find_default_target 17:59:15 ta with no enemies in sight? 17:59:17 :/ 17:59:41 <|amethyst> oh 17:59:42 <|amethyst> yeah 17:59:43 -!- Jaxy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01:40 <|amethyst> resulting in a NULL hitfunc 18:03:25 |amethyst: first result of my testing, http://bpaste.net/show/dj3tzGh4K2tQaHMbMW0C/ (click "raw" for the format-patch file) 18:05:18 <|amethyst> oh, that used to matter, then Eresh was buffed 18:06:02 the commit message also mentions that. :) 18:07:41 <|amethyst> oh, I failed to read your instructions about clicking "raw" 18:07:53 <|amethyst> or, rather, disregarded them :) 18:08:29 -!- CampinSam has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:15 i think i got the bosses to parse too, no idea how to test the resulting file though except "looks similar to the other lines" 18:12:07 if i manage to test this, adding the redefinitions in regular waves shouldn't be that hard (or at least i hope) 18:12:15 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: make sure the quoted stuff in vault_monsters.push_back("foo") is not cut off and doesn't have any weird extra quotes 18:13:09 ProvTheAverage (L8 DrBe) (D:7) 18:15:10 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-572-gad5ac8d (34) 18:16:14 03|amethyst * r793dd167ac7a 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: Don't crash when using ta with no monsters in sight. 18:16:14 03chris.oelmueller * rad5ac8db5d51 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: * Arena sprint: Remove hp definition for Ereshkigal 18:16:22 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:48 !lm ProvTheAverage type=crash -log 18:16:48 1. ProvTheAverage, XL8 DrBe, T:5008 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ProvTheAverage/crash-ProvTheAverage-20120919-230848.txt 18:17:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte: same underlying problem, just fixed 18:17:53 Jabberwock (L7 OpFE) (D:5) 18:18:14 <|amethyst> !lm Jabberwock type=crash -log 18:18:14 2. Jabberwock, XL7 OpFE, T:5304 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Jabberwock/crash-Jabberwock-20120919-231332.txt 18:18:20 <|amethyst> likewise 18:19:15 <|amethyst> Jabberwock transferred at least :) 18:20:24 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:37 -!- Frosteey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:20:58 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:26 -!- vidiny has quit [Quit: In the time it takes for a woman to get ready, the weather is almost guaranteed to change.] 18:32:30 -!- Derrth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37:37 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:57 -!- tensorpudding_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:40:56 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:26 Napkin, so, any chance for an upgrade in mantis? 18:44:49 The Nap King is hopefully fast asleep, no need to ring him up :) 18:46:22 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:46:25 -!- Lazygun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:47:30 I can't recall, does he regulatly check scrollback, or should I tell him? 18:52:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:53:30 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:53:37 tell, I'd say 18:53:41 if it's urgent, mail 18:56:11 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 18:56:41 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 18:57:02 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:58:26 !tell Napkin any chance for an upgrade in mantis to the 1.2.6 ish version? 18:58:26 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 19:14:04 -!- afkanim is now known as ophanim 19:23:00 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:26:13 -!- ldierk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:28:30 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:28:35 -!- ZChris13__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:37 -!- ZChris13__ is now known as ZChris13 19:36:07 -!- Wensley is now known as ontoclasm2 19:36:29 -!- ogsus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:04 -!- ZChris13 is now known as ontoclasm3 19:37:28 -!- elliptic is now known as ontoclasm27 19:37:29 -!- ontoclasm3 is now known as ZChris13 19:37:48 -!- Senri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:09 -!- ZChris13 is now known as ontoclasm13 19:38:58 -!- _Jordan_ is now known as _ontoclasm_ 19:41:13 -!- Wenzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:27 -!- ontoclasmell has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:54 -!- Sky_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:00 ophanim (L18 MiBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 432 failed. (D:20) 19:47:22 -!- camicio has quit [] 19:49:31 -!- TARBALLCLASM has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:49:50 kilobyte: <3 battering ram 19:49:51 greensnark: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:50:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 19:51:14 haha, ontoclasmell 19:51:41 Have Wensley and ontoclasm produced offspring? 19:51:47 Because that would bode ill 19:52:02 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:52:17 -!- Frosteey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:52:31 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:35 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:53:42 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Client Quit] 19:54:08 greensnark: I have merely seen the joy of being ontoclasm 19:54:17 I hope that, one day, you too will be as enlightened 19:54:38 Everybody goes through their ontoclasmic phase shortly after puberty 19:55:42 i'm going to use "ontoclasmic" in casual converstation from now on 19:56:32 -!- Senri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:20 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Client Quit] 19:58:46 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:00 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:04:03 -!- Fros is 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of stone (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6244) by st 21:30:14 -!- SakuyaIzayoi is now known as ontoyaizayoi 21:30:22 isn't this quick fix in somewhere around http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc#l1332 21:31:09 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:32:36 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 21:38:52 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:39:52 Missing punctuation in description of Zin's "Recite" ability (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6245) by xyblor 21:42:29 -!- ZRN_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- ontoclasm2 has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- RandyBobandy has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- Twinge has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- stenno has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- y2s82 has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- cbus has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- TGWi has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 -!- NeremWorld has quit [*.net *.split] 21:42:30 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[Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:18:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:23:01 -!- _ontoclasm_ is now known as _Jordan_ 22:24:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:26:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:41 hm, it seems sort of bad that you.strength() will return 0 even if you have -27 strength 22:28:00 I guess this makes some sense but it is confusing 22:28:40 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 22:30:13 like, I think that you.max_strength() < you.strength() is actually possible 22:30:17 -!- xyblor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:21 I guess probably the best thing to do is to add the "bool nonneg" parameter to player::strength()? 22:32:00 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:50 Out of curiousity, that issue with slaying not affecting unarmed damage, would that have only been effectively true since the slaying changes back in 0.10, most likely? 22:33:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:33:39 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 22:33:54 -!- Yxven has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:32 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: probably since the melee_attack rewrite 22:34:32 DracoOmega: yeah, it was caused by that change (my fault...) 22:34:37 <|amethyst> oh 22:34:45 well possibly the combination of the two, I don't know 22:35:33 I still find it kind of hilarious how no one noticed, in-game 22:35:46 I guess it's not the kind of thing you'd really pick up on that easily 22:36:14 <|amethyst> yeah, it's not like my ubersqueeze bug :) 22:36:22 Hehe 22:37:07 Since low damage hits are at least still POSSIBLE with high slaying. You'd probably just be annoyed at getting bad rolls 22:38:26 yes, it really demonstrates how easy it is for bugs to lurk in places like this 22:39:16 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:41 iirc I actually did notice the enhancer staff melee not using slaying in one of my games, but that's easier to see 22:40:55 because it does so little physical damage normally that you expect +10 slaying to do something 22:41:23 Yeah 22:41:31 Especially if you're hitting something your element doesn't work on 22:41:36 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 22:41:48 So that all you have is the terrible base damage 22:43:05 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:45:15 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 22:45:59 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:15 -!- ontoyaizayoi has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:46:30 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:52:05 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:55:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:45 Debian builds of 0.11 branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-b1-134-g2d3d357 22:56:56 // Starting to learn skills is easier if the appropriate stat is high. 22:57:14 I... had no idea 22:57:16 can we remove this please 22:57:26 yes 22:57:28 -!- Rewans has quit [] 22:57:37 how big is that effect, even? I've never heard anyone talk about this before 22:58:39 if I'm reading it correctly, it only applies when the skill is less than 1.0, and it helps by multiplying the skill gain by stat/10 (capped below at 5/10) 22:58:58 it's probably completely impossible to notice in-game 22:59:05 I might be missing something 23:01:58 wow that's terrible 23:01:59 kill it 23:02:22 <|amethyst> does it apply to starting skills? 23:02:34 Eronarn: yes, after I fix the stuff with stats being capped at 0 when they really shouldn't be (like in dumps) 23:02:39 |amethyst: I don't know 23:03:27 |amethyst: my guess would be yes 23:03:41 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:59 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 23:04:34 <|amethyst> hm, it looks like maybe not, as the ng-startup skill stuff doesn't appear to go through train_skills 23:05:07 ah, right, maybe that was changed because it was causing slight randomization of starting skills? 23:05:34 <|amethyst> possibly 23:07:38 -!- purge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:53 -!- CampinSam has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:27 -!- phrzn has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:10:10 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:41 03elliptic * r5d399064b642 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): Fix stats being capped below at zero in situations where they shouldn't be. 23:14:45 not sure about putting that in 0.11 given that this sort of change makes me a bit nervous and the things it fixes aren't very important 23:15:59 Yeah, it might be okay to leave it if 0.11 is coming out really soon now. Misreporting negative stats in dumps is unlikely to really bother anyone. (Was there anything else it messed up in practice?) 23:17:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:17:35 I mean, I think it could conceivably have messed up some things if you had negative strength and 0 max_strength or something 23:17:41 but that's pretty unlikely :P 23:19:20 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:20:31 And wouldn't you be on a fast track towards death at that point, anyway? 23:20:55 infinite strength!? 23:21:09 yes, it's pretty hard to come up with a situation where it actually would matter 23:24:12 03elliptic * r1db80bed25a1 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Remove the effect of stats on the cost of raising skills to 1. 23:24:19 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: SLEEPING] 23:25:26 any pro-tips or general guidance for creating new monsters? 23:25:41 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:51 if it's a melee monster, don't make it slower than speed 10 23:27:14 specifically for the Abyss 23:27:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:27:29 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 23:27:59 you can play with the fact that the abyss is infinite. someone suggested a wandering mushroom-like monster that spawns in large packs, that might be cool 23:29:08 even if it didn't have an attack it could be scary 23:29:30 in the sprint map I made, there's a custom siren called a succubus. It casts mesmerize and malign gateway. that could be upgraded to a real monster (with less hp, actually a demon, and not on 'm') 23:29:51 it would be fairly thematic for the abyss I think 23:31:07 ??malign gateway 23:31:07 malign gateway[1/3]: Summons a portal through which an eldritch tentacle emerges. Depending on spell power, it will be friendly for a number of turns, before turning hostile, or the portal closes and it is severed, whichever happens first (either way, it will turn hostile). Level 7 Summ/Tloc found in the Grand Grimoire. 1/3 chance of draining a point of int. 23:32:22 another thing the abyss lets you do, is you can get away with stuff that modifies the terrain 23:32:35 you could have a monster that seriously distorts/corrupts the surrounding level, for example 23:33:04 bh: you should do forest wyrms, but as abyss monsters 23:33:14 that's not something which should be a common encounter... but I think it would be cool to play with effects that wouldn't work in normal branches 23:33:37 a "breeder" type enemy is another thing you could try, although farming it should be impossible of course 23:33:54 evilmike: I have added a new map_mask_type: MMT_NUKED to handle terrain modifications. I could easily make a monster spring up terrain that then decays back 23:34:08 forest wyrm = breathes plants, tramples plants, gets boost to attacking something if it's already as trampled as it can get (so getting cornered is dangerous) 23:34:23 it was a lot of fun to fight when the AI worked 23:34:41 another fun one: a monster that always is visible, and always knows where you are 23:34:53 just make lorocyprocas always know where you are 23:34:59 also: earthwurms from 4.1 as an abyss monster 23:35:01 monqy: oh god. 23:35:14 monqy: always knowing where it is is something altogether different 23:35:14 Can we change the color on giant leeches? 23:35:19 since you never quite know how many walls away it is 23:35:28 I ran into one and it took me a few turns to figure out why the worm was beating the shit out of me 23:35:41 they're not the same colour as worms, though 23:35:54 aren't they the same red? 23:35:59 different red 23:35:59 nope 23:36:09 worms are lightred and leeches are red 23:36:13 should swap them 23:36:42 also swap urug 23:37:22 I'd rather avoid red for common monsters 23:38:03 What else do we have for 'w'? Brain worms are all that come to... mind. 23:38:09 demonic crawlers? 23:38:11 swamp worms 23:38:17 demonic crawlers are on s aren't they 23:38:20 yeah 23:38:23 tentacles use 'w' 23:38:32 the tip is a 'w' at least 23:38:44 imo tentacles should be xxxX 23:38:48 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:39:06 also brain worms should be redone as ghost moth larvae 23:39:27 also merge in lava orcs 23:39:55 Are there any monsters (apart from the obvious ones without attacks) that have never done damage? 23:40:34 silver and orange statues don't deal damage directly 23:40:40 evilmike: how about a wandering mushroom like abyss creature with no attack, comes in a pack, and tries to banish you when it dies. 23:40:53 there are also some eye enemies which dont have damaging attacks 23:41:42 bh: "death curse" type effects sometimes don't work very well. I think in this case players might *want* to be banished too, which is bad 23:41:51 you wouldn't want someone kiting one of those around for an escape method 23:42:23 what about a monster that works like archviles in doomrl 23:42:34 evilmike: make it hurt a whole lot too? 23:42:35 it can rewind time to bring enemies back to life 23:42:42 seeing how butterflies and toadstools have killed players, i don't think 'never done damage' is something that happens a lot 23:43:05 or maybe even rewind a section of terrain 23:43:08 ChrisOelmueller: apart from the meatshield effect, how have butterflies killed people? Popped fireballs? 23:43:14 bh: xom 23:43:22 ChrisOelmueller: Xom thinks this is hilarious. 23:43:48 electric eel zombies 23:44:08 the butterfly death was almost unavoidable however, as you'll see 23:44:21 we need chaos butterflies :( 23:44:24 ??the saddest thing[5] 23:44:24 the saddest thing[5/9]: electric eel zombies 23:44:28 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:48:32 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:21 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:58:43 making procedurally generated rivers is surprisingly hard.