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(Shoals:5) 01:37:18 wat 01:37:24 you dun goofed 01:39:25 _Q - a wand of heal wounds {zapped: 1} 01:39:26 YAY 01:51:15 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:51:41 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:02:22 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:09:31 -!- Adder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:50 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:29:55 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:23 -!- Taynav has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:40 -!- Predelnik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:03 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:43:13 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:46 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:53 i have a question 02:44:12 is it "ok" to spawn on a room in d:1 with say 4 monsters 02:44:46 -!- purge has quit [Quit: .] 02:54:21 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:54:56 -!- wasd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 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timeout: 268 seconds] 09:04:39 Oh, Cryp71c 09:07:41 dpeg, hello david 09:10:42 ophanim (L6 MiBe) ASSERT(lua_gettop(clua.state()) == 0) in 'main.cc' at line 1250 failed. (D:4) 09:11:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:22 ophanim (L6 MiBe) ASSERT(lua_gettop(clua.state()) == 0) in 'main.cc' at line 1250 failed. (D:4) 09:11:47 Cryp71c: how's life? Will you play in the tournament? 09:12:13 dpeg, busy, and oh goodness...I haven't played crawl in months. When does it start? 09:12:35 hopefully in one or two weeks 09:12:47 ah, perhaps that will give me enough time to brush up :P 09:12:51 :) 09:12:54 would like to get back into contributing, of course 09:12:57 lots of cool stuff, but it's all in trunk... 0.11 will feel so dated when it's finally out 09:13:03 yeah :/ 09:13:06 Ah, who plays anything else ;) 09:13:15 trunk is where its at. 09:14:04 alefury: you didn'T comment on the wrath wiki -- I assume that's okay with you? 09:14:11 Cryp71c: yes! Except for tournaments. 09:14:36 dpeg, is trunk going to be deployed before tourney? 09:14:52 also, CAO's trunk builds are regularly maintained, still..yeah? 09:15:45 Cryp71c: CAO is down for quite some time. For my trunk console, I now log onto crawl@crawl.s-z.org with password crawlingtotheusa 09:16:06 And we wait for CAO to awake in time, for tournament. 09:16:29 crawl.s-z.org's location? 09:16:36 dpeg: i didnt read the wrath wiki think yet :( 09:16:43 will do now 09:17:02 Cryp71c: USA, don't know where. It is |amethyst's server. 09:17:04 dpeg, nvm..clearly USA. yeah 09:17:05 !cheers |amethyst 09:17:06 * Wenzell slides a cask of rum across the bar to amethyst, on the house. 09:17:20 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:30 a cask of rum. wow. 09:17:38 dpeg, *GASP* 09:18:05 you've replaced the old bots? 09:18:10 :P 09:18:18 seems a bit like a generation change, yes 09:18:45 typed "hen" and tab wasn't working :P 09:18:46 Cryp71c: I officially resigned from the devteam, so I am here just as a pensioned player. 09:19:12 dpeg, oh really? So who is the unofficial quazi-leader of dev then? 09:20:32 Cryp71c: cao is down, so bots hosted on cao are down too 09:20:40 ah, ofc. 09:20:56 are these permanent replacements, or just temps until CAO is back? 09:21:03 -!- onwiheg has quit [Client Quit] 09:21:17 planned as temps i think, although some of the changes might be merged 09:21:27 like !cheers, i hope :) 09:21:40 Cryp71c: not sure. Eldest guys around are kilobyte and galehar, among ##crawl-dev regulars. 09:21:58 BTW, is cszo tied to the bots? 09:22:01 galehar hasnt been around that long i think? 09:22:13 yes it is 09:22:28 sizzell reports games, and sequell knows about them 09:22:53 I remember galehar from when I was working on the fight rewrite a year or two ago? Shit has it been that long? 09:23:12 Surely I'm not remembering the time correctly 09:23:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:40 you stopped working on the fight rewrite for a bit 09:23:47 yeah, a few months. 09:23:55 so one year ago for the last part might be right 09:24:06 maybe not quite as long, im not sure 09:24:18 Cryp71c: there are new DS ideas :) 09:24:29 dpeg, I guess that'll give me a starting point :P 09:24:39 still need to fix mutation scheduling 09:24:47 Saw it come up on CRD a week or so ago 09:24:56 The good thin about Crawl (game or development) is that you can drop out for a bit, or some years, and come back, and it will be there, waiting for you. 09:25:01 two new team members btw: ontoclasm for tile submission handling and other art stuff, and frogbotherer for android port maintenance and interface 09:25:31 (also, there is an android port) 09:25:57 Cryp71c: could be good to have a ranged combat rewrite, too 09:26:03 oh, and grunt 09:26:11 mostly by unifying it with melee, throwing away all existing formulas 09:26:18 maker of Vaults, giver of Spellcasting to Monsters 09:26:25 kilobyte, yeah, I had that in mind originally, I think I left a few things in waiting to be tied together, should ranged/magic ever get rewritten. 09:26:51 kilobyte, how has my rewrite held up? I more or less finished it and then vanished, due to RL 09:27:02 beam is probably okay, ranged formulas are a big stinking pile of nonsense 09:27:26 alefury, the android port has to be compiled on the device you want to play it on, correct? 09:27:35 seems to work 09:27:59 Cryp71c: i dont think so 09:28:01 Cryp71c: it seems like it's the other way around: it doesn't support native compilation, only cross-compiles 09:29:26 as opposed to, say, Raspbian, which is a bitch to set up a decent cross-compile rig, but works out of the box with native (or qemu) compilation 09:35:01 Cryp71c: I already improved mutation scheduling since you last saw it... more improvements might be good but I'm not sure how necessary they are 09:35:40 elliptic, that's great, it wasn't terrible before, there was just the occasional possibility of having DG3 by level 14 09:35:56 DG is still the main offender i think 09:35:58 That was more or less what I had identified as needing specific addressing. 09:36:12 yeah, currently getting DG3 so early is basically impossible 09:36:41 Goes both ways: early DG3 is bad, as is late DG1. 09:36:52 DG can be addressed a bit more on the mutation side, not sure exactly how it plays now...but increasing the necessary tension for higher guardians, or reducing the amount of tension large numbers of monsters generate. 09:37:14 Would be nice to factor in whether a monster is ranged-capable. 09:37:29 Since non-ranged capable monsters are little to no threat if there isn't enough space for them to fit in and attack you. 09:37:29 dpeg: part of the problem is that there is a huge gap in power between DG1 and DG2 09:37:57 elliptic: that's also something we could address 09:38:34 dpeg: whats the problem with good gods? whats the problem with handling them the same as before? i think it was really nice. 09:38:35 DG1 doesn't stay useful long except as the occasional distraction to give you time to run away, DG2 will kill things rather well for quite a while 09:38:37 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:39:12 I haven't actually seen many DG complaints other than the okawaru thing recently though 09:39:25 alefury: hey, that was your comment :) If there's no problem, would you just delete the item? 09:39:32 elliptic: alright 09:39:52 elliptic: people need to be pretty annoyed to complain about something. remember: most play offline. 09:40:13 alefury: they do? I never noticed 09:40:18 IME people complain about everything :P 09:40:24 check the preliminary survey results :P 09:40:31 oh, you mean that 09:40:45 yes, I know, most play offline, but still we get tons of complaints about everything 09:41:09 the cleave feedback is funny in that way, too 09:41:21 about some things people complain easily, but when youre playing a free game and still having fun, complaining takes work, while to just keep playing doesnt. 09:42:09 it also depends on the player i guess, and the people who do take the work to complain probably care about different issues than most 09:42:21 sampling bias is such a bitch :( 09:42:35 sexism alert! 09:43:27 i guess most people dont really mind when a demon plays the game for them for a while 09:43:43 you can still die anyway 09:43:46 anyway, the mutation scheduling changes I made are 0.11 changes, many people probably haven't even played with them yet 09:44:28 dpeg: huhwhat? the thing about good gods was my comment? 09:44:35 i dont remember 09:44:54 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:44:57 alefury: yes, when I sent you the email :) 09:45:12 it was already in the email you sent me 09:45:17 I have saved it. Had a feeling this might end up at court. 09:45:23 i only mentioned lugonu being an issue i think 09:45:44 ok. will remove 09:48:42 i still like the proposal btw :) 09:54:37 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54:57 Is there a good way to file bug reports using s-z saves? 09:55:22 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:55:59 <|amethyst> dpeg: do a save backup ( A -> B from the menu for the version ) and post the URL 09:56:13 <|amethyst> devs can download the save using their CSZO password 09:56:34 thank you! 09:59:10 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:59:56 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:03 Vault detached from rest of level (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6240) by dpeg 10:01:58 <|amethyst> dpeg: btw, you have wizmode access if you would find that helpful 10:02:14 <|amethyst> dpeg: though I guess you could just download and play the backed-up save 10:04:41 <|amethyst> dpeg: more info, including vault name and a partial map (wrapped in a 
 tag if included inline), would be nice... I know not everyone likes having to download a save to get info like that
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10:05:21 <|amethyst> (I would do it myself, but I have other things going on so no free space on the other monitor right now :)
10:05:24  |amethyst: ah, forget I can use wizmode
10:06:40  |amethyst: is it possible to get a list of vaults used on a level from wizmode?
10:06:50 <|amethyst> dpeg:  they'll be listed in a # dump
10:07:11 <|amethyst> you might need a setting for that
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10:07:53 <|amethyst> ah, yes,   dump_order += vaults
10:07:55  Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-545-g360bfee
10:11:12 <|amethyst> dpeg:   oh, even easier:  & Ctrl-E
10:11:38 * |amethyst learns something
10:12:10  no vault list to be found :(
10:12:34 <|amethyst> I wrapped your comment in a 
10:12:41 <|amethyst> does &ctrl-e list anything?
10:12:45 <|amethyst> it might not be a vault
10:13:07 <|amethyst> though the symmetry makes it look vault-like
10:13:19  yes
10:14:07  updated, though I cannot get the map to display properly
10:14:27 <|amethyst> 
 and 

10:14:32 <|amethyst> HTML-style
10:14:45  ah, used to [...] from wiki
10:15:08  thanks, everything on mantis now
10:15:44 <|amethyst> thanks... and just to make sure, all the stone staircases are known?
10:17:37  yes, of course
10:17:39  <<<>>>
10:18:02 <|amethyst> ah
10:18:46 <|amethyst> hm, the vault is a minivault without mini_float
10:19:09  that solves it!
10:19:22  maybe?
10:19:27 <|amethyst> (blue_anna_alchemist that is)
10:20:08 <|amethyst> oh, I guess one of those c tiles was the one chosen to overlap the rest of the level?
10:21:21  yes, I saw several stone walls -- this is why I knew somethign was odd
10:21:26  uhhuh, that's buggy
10:22:18 <|amethyst> Grunt made a number of layout changes a month or two back
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10:24:32  where is grunt anyway?
10:24:51  he did so much awesome stuff and i want more :/
10:24:54  !seen Grunt
10:24:54  I last saw Grunt at Mon Sep 10 02:44:19 2012 UTC (1w 1d 12h 40m 35s ago) saying Is there such a thing as a decent algebra joke? :b on ##crawl-dev.
10:25:07 <|amethyst> alefury:  he's having problems with his internet connection
10:25:14  ah
10:26:26 <|amethyst> It is apparently a "long story"
10:27:08 <|amethyst> 2012-09-09 21:26:05  I'm without reliable access to a development machine at the moment, so don't expect to see a lot of me in the immediate future.
10:28:11  we could collect money for him (I am serious about this)
10:29:42 <|amethyst> Should talk to him in private first to see what's going on
10:30:17 <|amethyst> might not be something money can help
10:30:24  yes
10:31:22  well, that sucks, i hope he can sort it out
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10:40:10  alefury: I've been in the team for 2 years
10:40:17  joined during the 0.8 dev
10:41:39  arent there still a few active people around that have been on the team longer? kilobyte definitely, and probably some others?
10:43:54  depends what you mean by active
10:43:56  i mean, i think i can still remember you joining the devteam, and i havent been following crawl development for that long i think?
10:44:00  there's due
10:44:00  yeah, i guess :/
10:44:24  long timers tend to be semi-active
10:44:30  or almost dormant
10:44:39  there's dpeg, the ever-retired, ever-present pensioneer
10:44:50  :)
10:45:08  he's like a rock star. Coming back from retirement for one last version!
10:45:21  but where are money & groupies???
10:45:26 * dpeg did it wrong, all his life
10:47:34 <|amethyst> I'm sure we could work something out with XuaXua
10:48:17  im not sure hes a fan of dpeg
10:48:30 <|amethyst> that was just an example :)
10:48:42  03kilobyte * re4cdd90654cd 10/crawl-ref/source/xom.cc: Add a missing note on Xom weapon swap, force a --more--.
10:48:49  he wouldn't make a good groupie, too
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10:53:25  back later
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11:02:21  Buggily placed items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6241) by Nomi
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11:10:17  http://www.gameaccessibilityguidelines.com
11:10:28  pretty nice list of stuff
11:11:28  its about making games playable for disabled people, but theres lots of stuff in there that is just generally good interface and game design
11:11:51  might be worth looking at in the context of small screen interface
11:12:36  crawl already complies with many of these guidelines btw
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11:13:06  simply by being turn based
11:14:17  but also because clarity and good interface has always been important to the devs
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13:18:01  "rename octopodes to octopus dwarves"
13:18:05  felid dwarves
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13:18:27  spriggan dwarves
13:18:30  demidwarves
13:19:05  dwarf dwarves
13:19:29  merdwarves
13:19:35  lava dwarves
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13:38:29  deep elf dwarves
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13:39:36  !tell kilobyte The assert you added in dfe5f187 triggers if you are using choose_stat_gain() lua... I'm not sure what the best fix is.
13:39:36  elliptic: OK, I'll let kilobyte know.
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13:52:42  dearfmans
13:52:51  s/e/w
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13:55:39  Since the regular channel is filled with nothing but insanity, anyone here know when CAO will come back?
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13:57:08  how about when its back up
13:57:18 <|amethyst> elliptic:  how does the lua choose_stat_gain() work anyway?
13:58:40 <|amethyst> elliptic:  you know, I can't even tell which callfn() that actually ends up calling
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13:58:51  |amethyst: it used to work if you put a choose_stat_gain() function calling crawl.sendkeys('d') in your rcfile
13:58:59  sort of like ready()
13:59:11 <|amethyst> elliptic:  no parameters, no return value?
13:59:20  yes
13:59:26  maybe it should just return 's' 'i' or 'd'
13:59:41  or preferably some constant that represents that better than bare strings, but
13:59:45 <|amethyst> elliptic:  the call looks like:  clua.callfn("choose_stat_gain", 0);
14:00:02 <|amethyst> the two methods with that name are:
14:00:05 <|amethyst> bool callfn(const char *fn, int nargs, int nret = 1);
14:00:05 <|amethyst> bool callfn(const char *fn, const char *params, ...);
14:00:06  elliott: there is probably a better way of setting things up, yes
14:00:13 <|amethyst> I guess it's calling the first one?  I guess?
14:00:32  |amethyst: I think that will call the former, yes
14:01:07 <|amethyst> I ask because 0 is the normal C++ way of writing a NULL pointer
14:01:08  |amethyst: hm, yes, probably it should be clua.callfn("choose_stat_gain", 0, 0);
14:02:07 <|amethyst> I'm not too familiar with C-Lua calling conventions
14:02:18  %git 3a8e7906
14:02:49  kilobyte * 0.11-a0-962-g3a8e790: Fix a lua stack leak. (6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/3a8e79067add
14:02:49 <|amethyst> maybe something needs to be popped even if there are no returns?
14:02:49  that commit changed ready to have the extra 0
14:02:49 <|amethyst> oh
14:02:49 <|amethyst> aha
14:02:49 <|amethyst> so it sounds right
14:02:49  so let's try that
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14:04:43  yes, that seems to fix it :)
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14:11:43  03elliptic 07stone_soup-0.11 * r42d75bde795b 10/crawl-ref/source/player-stats.cc: Fix choose_stat_gain call asking for the wrong number of returns.
14:11:43  03elliptic * r6baf8564bf44 10/crawl-ref/source/player-stats.cc: Fix choose_stat_gain call asking for the wrong number of returns.
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14:36:35  elliptic: you're running some bot, right?
14:36:35  kilobyte: You have 9 messages. Use !messages to read them.
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14:40:55 * kilobyte wants samples of any bots that tickle as much of the codebase as possible.  That Abyss runner one for example tends to be quite helpful.
14:41:17  although, most of the time crashes it finds are related to krakens dying :p
14:44:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I was thinking we could pass cleanup_dead to react_to_damage
14:44:12  banning 208.123.17.44 from forums, fyi
14:44:27  is that that guy who posted that dumb thread
14:45:24  ban him from ##crawl too
14:45:32 <|amethyst> the only difficulty is we have to figure out later whether the base should be dead
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14:49:03  no. this one registered as "squarelos for president"
14:49:08  huh?
14:49:18  thats... me lol
14:49:34  well, at least use a valid email address
14:49:44  haha, it was supposed to be used once
14:49:47  i only used it again for reporting
14:49:53  any vile pro-squarelos propaganda should be bannable offence, yeah
14:50:10  i don't like the mailer-daemon complaining
14:50:22  sorry! i didnt mean any real problems
14:50:39  no "real" problem.. dealt with accordingly ;)
14:50:57  but still, you get the point :)
14:51:10  ill never vouch for squarelos again, yes
14:51:20  that wasn't it
14:51:22  :-P
14:51:28  g'night o/
14:51:38  simmarine: :p
14:51:42  Napkin: bie!
14:51:59  kilobyte :)
14:52:42  galehar: I think it's time to do a final[lish?] Transifex sync
14:53:15  AFAIK no English descriptions have been uploaded since the 0.11 branching, which is good
14:53:35  fwiw, im still banned from seeing the forum... not a major problem because i only look at it once a day or so, so no real rush
14:53:54  oh, yes
14:54:00  let me unban that ip
14:54:25  I almost pushed a couple of commits updating Polish stuff for recent changes, but realized it's better to have translations match 0.11 for now
14:54:30  again, sorry for the problems haha
14:54:36  simmarine: tor + mailinator :p
14:54:39  (jk)
14:54:52  hmm... unbanning ips.. hmmm... where was that again?
14:55:30 <|amethyst> Napkin:  btw, someone was asking in Technical Support about CDO webtiles
14:55:47  and? what did you reply? ;)
14:55:50  This turtle thread.
14:55:54 <|amethyst> I didn't :)
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14:55:58  terrible terrible.
14:56:00  damn ;)
14:56:28  try again, simmarine
14:56:40  Napkin: i can properly view it now, thanks!
14:57:18 <|amethyst> We could maybe have some kind of provision for moving games to CSZO, but that'd probably be manual work on both ends
14:58:08  EvilAshe (L1 HuFE)  (D:1)
14:58:10  Moop (L4 MiFi)  (D:2)
14:58:11  thirst (L1 HENe)  (D:1)
14:58:12  chilla (L1 DESu)  (D:1)
14:58:26 <|amethyst> stuck processes?
14:58:35 <|amethyst> !lm EvilAshe crash -log
14:58:37  1. EvilAshe, XL1 HuFE, T:0 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/EvilAshe/crash-EvilAshe-20120918-195806.txt
14:58:46  yes, had to kill them manually
14:58:53  server.py didn't manage
14:59:09 <|amethyst> Napkin:  edlothiol fixed some related bugs recently
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15:00:32  yeah, well, maybe once i'm not sick anymore.. and the kid is going school i can upgrade to it ;)
15:00:33 <|amethyst> since I upgraded webtiles and applied the tornado HTTP timeout patch, CSZO has been apparently free of duplicate/ghost games
15:01:14 <|amethyst> Napkin:  I'm working on instructions for my setup; perhaps we could get automatic upgrades (and tiles/console portability) working then
15:01:15  i think i either tried it or have it active (tornado http timeout fixes)
15:01:26  great
15:01:34 <|amethyst> Napkin:  would save you a lot of time I think to not have to do the upgrades by hand
15:01:37  i'd give it a try installing it on the new server
15:03:11  automated console upgrades work.. not the best & securest way, but they are ok
15:03:41  but just didn't have time to test the multi-version configuration options that edlothiol added to webtiles
15:04:07 <|amethyst> Yeah, I'm doing those essentially the same way CDO and CAO do (plus automated forced upgrades for 0.11 and 0.10)
15:04:57  ah, so you took greensnarks approach and enhanced it?
15:05:40 <|amethyst> just duplicated the trunk update script and removed some things from it :)
15:06:04  cool, because that's bases on what i wrote for CDO
15:06:18  *based
15:06:22 <|amethyst> and I have webtiles run crawl-git-launcher.sh so nothing special to do for webtiles upgrades
15:06:50 <|amethyst> except that of course *server* upgrades aren't automatic (and are in fact quite infrequent)
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15:07:27  Napkin: what kind of bandwidth do webtiles use?
15:07:34  i hope i can look into it
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15:08:50 <|amethyst> I used 280 GB last month, but that's for everything, including ttyrec downloads
15:08:54  ~around 200gb per month
15:09:04  that's only webtiles
15:09:24  222 in August, 247 in july, etc
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15:11:30 <|amethyst> my max out was 18.57 Mb/s
15:11:35  and now, some spring :)
15:11:49 <|amethyst> 95% under 2.30 Mb/s
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15:14:17  far more than I thought
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15:16:19  I got free hosting with 100Mb/s but (currently) on a badly overloaded machine, and decent machines on crap consumer-level connections
15:17:51  some amazon instance just for the tourney would be a cheap solution
15:18:07 <|amethyst> I don't know
15:18:16  I'm afraid of the time needed for some ad-hoc setup, though
15:18:21 <|amethyst> amazon instances don't look that cheap if you have constant utilisation
15:18:26  especially without no common authentication
15:19:13 <|amethyst> we need common auth (and a few other things like a central location for the sequell/footv/scoring information)
15:19:43 <|amethyst> a central location that is directly editable by an active dev, that is... I hate having to bug greensnark to push updates
15:20:25  manually copying ttyrecs during and after the tourney isn't that much work
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15:20:48 <|amethyst> sequell still needs updates for logfiles etc
15:21:49  yeah, but that's an one-line addition in a config somewhere, right?
15:22:35 <|amethyst> yeah, which greensnark has to push (and which Sequell needs restarted for)
15:23:06 <|amethyst> I guess it's not that bad, but it's not really *dynamic*
15:23:31 <|amethyst> if we're adding and removing servers on the fly, something that can be updated on the fly would be good
15:23:45  doing that by hand sucks, but it's not like we have tourney every week
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15:24:04 <|amethyst> maybe a proxy that serves concatenated logfiles, forwards ttyrec requests to the appropriate server, etc
15:24:15 <|amethyst> I guess that's true
15:24:20  perhaps, yeah
15:24:53  it's still in the "could be improved, but works well enough for now" land
15:25:45  authentication problems, though... I'd be wary of adding a yet another place players who wish to have their name unharassed have to register in
15:25:50  especially a temporary one
15:27:39 <|amethyst> oh, look, an inappropriate username on CSZO webtiles
15:28:40  kilobyte: what kind of transifex sync? Full? All languages, including unreviewed translations?
15:29:18  galehar: I think so
15:29:51 <|amethyst> err, why does 78291 keep bouncing between the top and bottom of the CSZO webtiles user list?
15:29:53  there are a number of translations which are on transifex but not handled in initfile.cc: ko, zh, ru, da, lt, pt, cz, lv,...
15:30:24  the last ones are maybe too small to bother. There's not much content
15:30:51  I'm not sure if Korean and Chinese actually work. Did you test it?
15:32:01  only on some made-up texts, but yeah
15:32:06  in console, that is
15:32:28  local tiles support only latin/green/cyrillic
15:32:33  no idea about webtiles
15:33:04  I mean, they support Unicode, but I'm not sure about double-width characters, like all true CJK ones
15:33:46  well, console support is enough for us to include it. Those guys went crazy and translated almost all of it
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15:36:24  kilobyte: I haven't been working on bots recently... I learned about this issue from ophanim trying out http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/parabolic.rc (unfinished work with the purpose of clearing levels for the player and passing control to the player for a few turns if it thinks it is in trouble)
15:37:03  kilobyte: n7 still works on http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/xw.rc sometimes (FeBe bot) but you probably already knew about that one?
15:39:29  I had the impression it's unmaintained, and the last time I looked at it, it was before ready() -- ie, requiring holding a key
15:41:43  hm, I thought he made it use ready()
15:43:01  possible; I tried that myself but digging through hacks he needed for handling keys was more than my attention span
15:43:07  I don't know how many changes he's been making, but I see mention of zig sprint in it and he does run it occasionally
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16:14:48 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol when sorting by username, 78291 keeps jumping between the top and bottom of the game list
16:14:49  |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
16:15:25 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol only in ascending order, not descending (but there is weirdness when reversing)
16:15:25  |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
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16:29:42  03frogbotherer * r24fe72951635 10/AndroidBuild.sh: small changes to Android build script to adapt to latest Pelya SDL port
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16:45:33 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol I tried adding a sort key like we do for idle_time but didn't have much luck
16:45:33  |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
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16:52:21  |amethyst: I think I have a fix
16:52:21  edlothiol: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
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16:54:14  03edlothiol * r4eb4ab6f925b 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/static/scripts/client.js: Hopefully fix 78291 jumping between the top and bottom of the Webtiles lobby.
16:58:12 <|amethyst> edlothiol:  seems to work, thanks!
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17:07:46 <|amethyst> simmarine:  decided to immortalise your earlier conversation with Napkin
17:07:50 <|amethyst> ??simmarine[2]
17:07:51  be careful what you ask for[1/1]: <+Napkin> banning  from the forums, fyi  < simmarine> ban him from ##crawl too < simmarine> thats... me lol
17:08:02 <|amethyst> simmarine:  ;)
17:09:37  hahahaha
17:09:46  what a good moment
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18:12:25  03translators * r6f968a901e96 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (es/skills.txt features.txt monsters.txt skills.txt): Transifex format fix.
18:12:26  03translators * r6abc4832dec5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (branches.txt quotes.txt): Transifex english language sync.
18:12:27  03translators * r6dcd521c128a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (116 files in 15 dirs): Transifex sync.
18:12:27  03galehar * rfe3c5da61eb5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h initfile.cc): Add option support for all new languages.
18:12:28  03translators 07stone_soup-0.11 * r9f0c9bebc872 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (features.txt pl/items.txt quotes.txt tutorial.txt): Transifex format fix.
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18:21:08  kilobyte: still need to backport it to 0.11, but some stuff need to be excluded
18:21:28  !tell dpeg made a few comments on the wrath page
18:21:28  galehar: OK, I'll let dpeg know.
18:26:01  galehar: there's a few errors
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18:26:35  in .fr, there's several links that try to reference a translated name
18:26:44  util/db_lint fr
18:27:22  (ignore "quote for undescribed", it should get keys from .en rather than from the language being processed)
18:29:55  also 'vampire noble' -> 'vampire' is ok(ayish): there's no french translation for "vampire", but linking will use the english version
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18:38:07  03kilobyte * rf9b3866a80a7 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Correct wrongly translated desc links.
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18:40:06  03kilobyte * rf1773a2508ba 10/crawl-ref/source/initfile.cc: Decapitalize language names.
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18:45:05  |amethyst: something to do (for me) on that minivault?
18:45:06  dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
18:45:09  !messages
18:45:10  (1/1) galehar said (23m 41s ago): made a few comments on the wrath page
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18:49:33 <|amethyst> dpeg:  I can add @s or tag it mini_float if you think that will fix it, but Zaba seemed to think it shouldn't have been placing like that in the first place
18:50:44  ah, Zaba is aware of it -- he knows best what to do, I think
18:51:09 <|amethyst> Well, he said "uhhuh, that's buggy"; maybe I'm reading too much into it :)
18:54:23  :)
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19:02:09  03|amethyst * r57166e2d8b8f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/food.des: Tag blue_anna_alchemist as mini_float.
19:03:19  thank you
19:03:34 <|amethyst> (the 0.11 version should show up momentarily)
19:04:07  03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.11 * r99efd1b3a13c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/food.des: Tag blue_anna_alchemist as mini_float.
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19:04:55 <|amethyst> it might make sense to keep the bug open, your call
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19:05:41 <|amethyst> and welcome :)
19:05:44  no, it'll just rot
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19:07:44 <|amethyst> !tell Zaba if you have ideas about #6240 (where a minivault placed with only its stone walls overlapping the rest of the level, and hence disconnected), feel free to re-open it
19:07:45  |amethyst: OK, I'll let Zaba know.
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19:16:38  hey guys ... is cross-compiling supported? maybe I misunderstood (definitely!), but it didn't quite work out okay    :-/
19:20:36  jenzors (L10 HOPr) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 432 failed. (D:10)
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19:31:14  Rugxulo: It is
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19:35:32  I think something went wrong on my end!
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19:38:27  Well, are you going to elaborate?
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19:38:49  wasn't sure anybody cared    :-/
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19:39:12  long story short, I was using some make overrides, trying to pretend to get it to cross-compile for unsupported target (i586-pc-msdosdjgpp)
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19:40:17  actually, this was atop Lucid Puppy Linux, probably my bad for running as root, heh, but oh well ... at some point I swear it did actually "rm -rf /usr/*" for no obvious reason (I hit Ctrl-C, but I think it still got some stuff)
19:40:28  it still boots (as this is a triple-boot machine), but meh
19:40:51  even Lucid Puppy still boots, but I'm still pretty sure it wiped some stuff (dunno what exactly)
19:41:10  and I can't find anything (obvious) in any makefile that would lead to that, alas ... just FYI in case anyone is concerned   o_O
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19:52:31  Rugxulo: sorry, cannot help -- got to ask at another time again
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19:53:03  I expect no help, I don't need it, just wanted to be ultra careful and mention a possible makefile bug
19:53:23  was just bored, wanted to see if I could accidentally get it to cross compile   ;-)
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19:54:29  !messages
19:54:29  No messages for bh.
19:55:29  shucks
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21:19:13  Offscreen Drain Life still produces a message. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6242) by elliptic
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21:26:38  03ontoclasm * rab169d363b9d 10/crawl-ref/source/tilepick.cc: Give lizard skeletons the right tile
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21:57:23  Lightli (L19 MiBe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 432 failed. (Shoals:2)
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22:36:20  !tell amethyst want to help rax and I get cao up and running?
22:36:21  Wensley: OK, I'll let amethyst know.
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22:43:36 -!- rax changed the topic of ##crawl to: CAO is down for major renovations, front page updated with news, try CSZO instead! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious!
22:44:56  Wensley: rax is here
22:45:35  bh: yes, we were discussing in offtopic how without greensnark's guidance rax is flying blind trying to get the server up
22:45:49  oops, misread your tell :)
22:45:54  I told her that |amethyst is the next most knowledgeable person with regard to serversettingup
22:46:01  well honestly I haven't even gotten to the point of flying blind, because I am too afraid of heights, it's pretty embarrassing
22:46:08  but with help we should be able to get it back up
22:46:08  does |amethyst want to set up a server for *me*? I have a box free
22:46:38  rax: well if you are afraid of heights than maybe flying blind is the best way to fly :)
22:47:21  bh: does it have five years worth of crawl gameplay data on it? ;)
22:47:53  rax: yes. I downloaded all the morgues.
22:48:04  and ttyrecs?
22:48:40  rax: if you mail me a harddrive I'll pay shipping and send it back
22:48:51 <|amethyst> sup
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22:49:41  if you want to set up another server that is totally fine with me
22:50:06  nd frankly if you want thettyrec data I could send it to you eventually although there is other people's data on the same disk so it would not be trivial
22:50:07  not really. I'm irresponsible
22:50:13  hasn't stopped me!
22:50:20  *really* irresponsible.
22:50:25 <|amethyst> I was going to have to go through the process again to write and verify the documentation anyway
22:50:51 <|amethyst> I guess I can start by publishing my branches for dgamelaunch-config and the rest
22:51:12 <|amethyst> I really should separate out the hostname stuff though
22:51:13  what's dgamelaunch-config?
22:51:30  do other people have an automatic configurator and I have been doing it by hand all this time?
22:51:31 <|amethyst> the thing with the 'dgl' command
22:51:36 <|amethyst> greensnark's package
22:51:59  never heard of it
22:52:11  well hrm
22:52:19  maybe I have used it once? but I think the version I had didn't work so I ignored it
22:52:29 <|amethyst> the cron jobs for updates etc probably run it
22:53:21  oh yes
22:55:01 <|amethyst> I think I've worked it out so that webtiles is no real additional maintenance hassle (other than having to restart it if you want server bugfixes, which are hopefully pretty rare)
22:55:18 <|amethyst> well, edlothiol and I
22:55:19  running webtiles would be awesome
22:56:40 <|amethyst> I still need to remember/retrace everything I did when I installed... the scripts and stuff are committed, but I had to make/chown a bunch of directories in the chroot by hand
22:57:11  well my chroot is likely already set up
22:57:23  (I'm actually copying the old stuff into place now, there)
22:57:31  it will need new libraries probably
22:57:37  but the game structure should be okay
22:58:10 <|amethyst> yeah... it'd mostly be a matter of picking out which of my local commits you need (for webtiles/dgl configuration) and which you don't (the ones that set the chroot directories etc)
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22:59:54 <|amethyst> There are some extra directories you'll need with each game version to do webtiles
23:00:14 <|amethyst> (including each separate version of trunk)
23:01:30  Can that be automated? There's a new version of trunk every day.
23:01:51 <|amethyst> yeah, I modified the update scripts
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23:03:11 <|amethyst> I was running updates once an hour for a little while, and other than the proliferation in binaries it seemed to work fine
23:03:45  is there some way to garbage-collect binaries?
23:03:55  I mean I am throwing huge piles of disk space at this, but it still seems like a good idea
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23:05:13 <|amethyst> yes, there's a 'dgl remove-trunks' command, and I've written a script to automate that
23:06:14  I bet your server is so much more well-organized than mine ever was
23:06:21  I am looking forward to having this organization on CAO
23:08:19 <|amethyst> remove-trunks actually doesn't accomplish much
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23:10:09 <|amethyst> only 15 of 66 versions in the past month have been GCed
23:12:46 <|amethyst> of the remaining version, 20 have just one save or active game (mean is 6 saves/games)
23:12:55 <|amethyst> s/sion/sions/
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23:14:06  well a longterm cleanup that got rid of games that hadn't been played in 60 days would also be good, or something like that
23:14:47  mikee would never play cao again
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