00:09:01 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-117-g85868be 00:09:42 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-474-g511d55f (34) 00:10:37 -!- Silurio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:27 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 00:14:18 |amethyst: assuming no one objects to a new map mask, this works brilliantly. 00:21:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:29:25 -!- Vesto has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:48 -!- Kalten has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:39:43 -!- wasd223 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:42 anyone with a commit bit awake? 00:45:08 i have a commit bit 00:45:10 it's 0 00:45:13 :> 00:45:16 Zannick: I hate you so much. 00:45:21 bh: <3 01:08:34 -!- bh has quit [Quit: bh] 01:09:59 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:21 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:08 -!- ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 01:19:10 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 01:19:36 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:19:50 -!- ctair_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:20:21 -!- ctair_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:20:33 -!- ctair_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:09 -!- ctair has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:23:13 -!- ctair_ is now known as ctair 01:28:12 -!- blmarket has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:12 -!- fernandotakai has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:10 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:38:45 -!- ctair has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 01:38:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:30 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:42:50 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47:32 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:49:06 <_dd> ontoclasm, are you here 01:50:43 <_dd> oh well.. 01:55:26 yeah 01:55:31 what's up 01:58:37 -!- Predelnik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:58:57 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:59:43 <_dd> oh hey 01:59:54 <_dd> not much just about the gui icons 02:00:10 i put em in 02:00:27 <_dd> but you apparently didn't use the memorize icon.. 02:00:28 well, except for the memorize one which sort-of went in 02:00:42 <_dd> yeah that's fine but the current one looks kind of weird 02:00:53 there was a memorize icon that apparently got put in the wrong folder or something? 02:00:55 <_dd> in that it goes over the edges of the background slot while none of the other icons do 02:01:03 oh does it 02:01:11 hold on 02:01:23 <_dd> wait a bit... 02:01:32 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:46 -!- Sabaki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:04 <_dd> how about this 02:02:06 <_dd> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=3923&type=bug 02:02:14 that's good 02:02:28 lemme commit that real quick 02:02:32 <_dd> i edited it from the message log icon 02:03:00 <_dd> which i originally edited from a spellbook, just making it smaller so it'd fit in the slot... 02:04:06 mm 02:04:24 sorry about that 02:04:39 <_dd> oh np 02:04:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:04:49 i never use the mouse so i forget how the tabs etc. work 02:05:01 <_dd> it's actually good, made me redo the memorize icon 02:05:17 <_dd> the first one i made was a bit lazy, just reusing the tab icon... 02:05:26 xD 02:06:24 <_dd> although i think they do say that reuse of icons is good ui design, but whatever... 02:06:57 well, yeah 02:07:12 <_dd> but in this case i think it's better to have a different icon 02:07:17 <_dd> since the tab icons are smaller 02:07:22 it looks a little odd when the icon doesn't fill the space though 02:07:41 03ontoclasm * r6caaae44a7b4 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/gui/commands/memorise.png: Memorize GUI tile (dd) 02:07:58 <_dd> yeah i do use the tab icons in some other icons, but those have more stuff in them to fill the whole thing 02:07:58 the ones which are the same design at a different size are generally best imo 02:08:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10:00 hello, i'm new. can anyone recommend some easy tickets to start with? 02:11:32 by "start with" you mean "make a patch to fix"? 02:11:49 yes 02:12:33 hm 02:12:36 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6220 02:13:00 Something like that should be simple, and lets you dig through the code a bit without having to understand complicated logic. 02:13:24 Though you might need to make some good wording for the manual... 02:13:31 thanks, i'll take a look! 02:13:51 <_dd> so how about those bardiches 02:14:22 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6210 02:14:30 <_dd> they haven't been committed i think? 02:14:34 that COULD be something relatively simple too 02:15:07 _dd: slave driver :U 02:15:17 <_dd> just call me pikel 02:16:16 <_dd> haha but yeah i guess i'm going to keep you busy with the player doll tile project :p 02:16:27 -!- Vandal has quit [] 02:16:32 i'll have to see how pd tiles work with the code 02:16:33 <_dd> that's going to be what... a hundred tiles or so? 02:17:06 well 02:17:18 if you're doing every racial and runed/art variation 02:17:25 more like 200 i think? 02:17:36 there are a lot of weapons 02:17:51 <_dd> well i just looked there's 165 weapon tiles in the weapon folder 02:17:55 <_dd> whew 02:18:17 <_dd> and if some of those get new variants along the way... yeah 02:18:20 -!- Taynav has quit [Quit: Insert Witty Quit Message] 02:18:26 :Y 02:18:33 <_dd> :s 02:18:53 well, it won't take -that- long 02:19:07 -!- Palyth has quit [] 02:19:10 the longest step is guillotining them and renaming them 02:19:19 <_dd> oh 02:19:27 <_dd> i thought the longest step was drawing them :p 02:19:32 hah 02:19:37 the longest step for me, that is 02:19:40 :U 02:19:53 but i mean 02:19:57 i put in the new dungeon tiles 02:20:05 and there were ~100 of those 02:20:12 <_dd> well you can feel free to pitch in with the drawing as well, if you can find the time.. 02:20:12 and they took me like half an hour? 02:20:21 maybe :C 02:20:26 i'm writing my thesis 02:20:34 and won't be done until late october 02:20:44 <_dd> oh 02:20:49 so not much time to draw stuff until then 02:20:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:03 <_dd> well i'll try not to bother you too much then 02:21:12 xD 02:21:18 well, it's not like there's any hurry 02:21:23 <_dd> i might give you weekends free ;) 02:22:10 0.12 just got branched, it'll be spring before anyone starts talking about releasing it 02:22:43 <_dd> yeah 02:25:18 Speaking of which, any possibility of backporting some of those tiles changes back to 0.11 before it launches? At least the icon enlargement (which I like to consider a bugfix rather than a new feature :P) 02:26:02 hah 02:26:18 that was one i definitely wanted to backport 02:26:37 Yay 02:26:38 seeing as how dudes will be living with it for like six months 02:27:14 Yeah 02:27:24 i dunno if i'm allowed to screw with the rc though :U 02:27:38 Well, people have been posting commits to 0.11 all the time, if you notice 02:27:44 Bugfixes and such 02:27:54 yeah 02:28:02 but those dudes are important :U 02:28:12 But you're the art director! :P 02:28:32 hah 02:28:57 You could always ask someone if you want, I suppose, but I imagine something like that is fairly non-controversial 02:29:05 As opposed to some of the more experimental changes 02:29:14 yeah 02:29:26 it doesn't even include any code, it's just pngs 02:29:30 so it's definitely safe 02:29:30 As long as you promise not to break anything ;) 02:29:39 xD 02:29:44 * ontoclasm breaks things 02:29:47 dang 02:29:48 oops 02:29:50 In fact, he risks breaking people's eyesight if he DOESN'T, I think :P 02:30:07 Crawl 0.11: now with more squinting 02:30:11 :) 02:36:01 so i just go to my 0.11 branch, cherry-pick that one commit, and then push it? 02:37:03 That sounds like it makes sense, but I have never actually done that with git myself, personally 02:37:11 So I'll have wave my hands here 02:37:37 i am pretty sure that is how it works 02:37:57 Probably, yes 02:39:24 -!- anele has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42:29 okay 02:42:48 i did those and a couple of other "bugfix"-type things 02:43:43 Yay 02:43:49 Also yay for non-invisible gloom :P 02:44:01 i have like 2 lines of code going into 0.11 ! 02:44:07 I'd always wondered what was up with that 02:44:09 03ontoclasm 07stone_soup-0.11 * r5304672f420d 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/item/ (62 files in 5 dirs): Modified item icons 02:44:09 03ontoclasm 07stone_soup-0.11 * rb76cfb8f8a24 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Humanoid / foo-lord edits (roctavian) 02:44:09 03ontoclasm 07stone_soup-0.11 * r0ce5a57e8d85 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Gloom and seething chaos tiles 02:44:23 yeah, it was inexplicably special-cased to be invisible 02:44:28 despite actually having a tile 02:44:37 I sort of think the tile was visible on an older version 02:44:42 yeah 02:44:46 Since I vaguely seem to remember seeing it once. And then it was gone 02:45:00 And it's sort of confusing when invisble tiles are affecting your LoS so visibly :P 02:45:03 we checked back and something got reverted at some point 02:45:24 so probably it didn't have a tile, got one, then got reverted to being invisible 02:46:35 And no one noticed 02:46:38 Well, I guess I noticed 02:46:42 I wonder why I never thought to report it? 02:47:54 I know I ran into invisible gloom at least 3 seperate times, if not more. I think I might have thought it just didn't have a tile, and never gave it much more consideration than that. 02:47:54 well, gloom shows up in, what, two vaults maybe? 02:47:54 so probably most people never encounter it 02:47:54 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:47:54 I'm not sure I even know of any other besides Jory's castle 02:47:54 Most people, certainly 02:48:18 there's a hell stair vault that has some, and a big zombie vault partially filled with it 02:49:13 I don't think I've ever seen either of those. Actually, is the hell stair vault new? 02:49:20 might be 02:49:29 I seem to recall 0.12 getting a bunch of hell stair vaults or something 02:49:41 i've never seen it in-game; i wizmoded it up to see what gloom looked like :D 02:49:59 (i.e. nothing) 02:50:29 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:41 Ha 02:50:48 Yeah, I've seen it a few times, certainly 02:50:50 0.12 has some hell vaults and some of them have stairs. I'm not sure where this "a bunch of hell stair vaults" comes from though... maybe something Grunt is working on 02:51:23 Well, I could be mistaken. It's only a vague impression I had from something someone else said 02:51:37 Just something about Hell stair vaults is all 02:52:09 well, I've suggested to people before that if you want to make vaults for Hell branches, putting stairs in them is one of the only ways to make them effective 02:52:31 That does make sense, since otherwise you just leave them alone entirely 02:52:35 okay, sleep time 02:52:37 cheers 02:52:39 See ya 02:52:44 And thanks! 02:52:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:55:40 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:46 -!- Ystah has quit [Quit: CyberScript - the horny script (www.cyberscript.org)] 03:02:57 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:11:18 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 03:12:02 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:16:22 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:26 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:28:51 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:31:04 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:35:31 -!- rufford has quit [] 03:42:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00:53 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Quit: mightgeddigthingsdone] 04:04:11 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 04:17:08 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:17:29 -!- VideoGames has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:18:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:59 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:23:29 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:44 !seen frogbotherer 04:23:44 I last saw frogbotherer at Tue Sep 11 22:25:48 2012 UTC (1d 10h 57m 56s ago) quitting with message Remote host closed the connection. 04:23:58 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 04:29:15 !tell bh for your action time figures, don't forget to multiply that 118 aut by 8 (three stats at zero or recovering) 04:29:15 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 04:31:54 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:32:23 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:13 galehar, |amethyst, frogbotherer: why would we use that commandergenius SDL version instead of upstream 1.3? There are big warnings on the former that it's no longer developed and maintained only for the sake of old code. 04:33:26 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:52 do we support SDL 1.3? 04:36:19 moving to SDL 1.3 would also improve multi-monitor support 04:36:33 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:37:08 is 1.3 backward compatible? How much work would it be to move to 1.3? 04:37:20 also, GLES on non-Android, and CJK input methods 04:37:49 not sure, I did manage to build it against one of alphas some time ago 04:39:06 uhm no, 811ba90c fixes just the rltile tool, I now remember I didn't bother going much farther 04:39:24 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:42 well that sounds like a great idea 04:39:52 -!- Lassee- has quit [Client Quit] 04:40:18 03edlothiol * r12663836a238 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ws_handler.py: Webtiles: Fix another source of ghost games. 04:40:18 03edlothiol * rb4feed4a7077 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/game_data/static/ (cell_renderer.js dungeon_renderer.js): Webtiles: Fix redrawing with some tile scaling values (#6205). 04:40:20 I still don't know anything about Android, so it's just by reading front-page docs 04:43:02 we can create an sdl-1.3 branch. You port crawl to it, then frogbotherer will take care of the android part 04:45:44 -!- Salivanth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:47:15 !seen alefury 04:47:15 I last saw alefury at Wed Sep 12 19:25:08 2012 UTC (14h 22m 7s ago) quitting with message Quit: Stay sane inside insanity!. 04:47:24 this could work... let's see how intrusive such a port would be, if it can be done with a small set of #ifdefs like in rltile, both version could work, and if not, there's an option of moving exclusively to 1.3 04:47:46 distributions that don't ship recent enough versions would work with contribs 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-475-g6caaae4 05:00:41 -!- evilmike has quit [] 05:01:33 sounds like a plan 05:06:16 interesting tidbit: on Raspberry Pi, an -O2 build compiles faster than a debug one 05:06:38 C++ is so memory-hungry that debug info makes it swap like hell 05:13:21 ouch 05:13:35 kilobyte, but a non-optimized build without debug info is still faster than -O2, right? 05:13:58 I guess so 05:14:30 What's your memory split? 05:15:07 what I want right now is benchmarking armhf vs armel (to know how important it would be for Android), so optimized builds are a better thing to test 05:15:14 240 05:15:18 mhm 05:15:32 can't do a 256:0 split :p 05:15:46 I know :) 05:15:56 (somehow there's a reboot needed after connecting a monitor, and ssh -X works just as well) 05:19:19 -!- mumbologist has quit [] 05:20:00 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:20:43 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:30 -!- wjchen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:25:03 -!- profreshinal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:28:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:44:03 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47:42 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:13 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:45 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:27:44 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:44 -!- Silurio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:37:52 -!- Adeon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:40:57 -!- Pacra___ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:24 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:24 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:24 -!- Pacra has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:25 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:25 -!- Raycaster has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:25 -!- Adder has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:25 -!- Laan has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:25 -!- DemusSpark has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:25 -!- jeek has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:25 -!- Rjs has quit [*.net *.split] 06:42:28 -!- [1]Raycaster is now known as Raycaster 06:45:12 -!- F-Glex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:45:24 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:43 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:48:18 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:48:19 -!- [1]Raycaster is now known as Raycaster 06:48:59 -!- F-Glex has joined ##crawl-dev 06:50:39 -!- Zephryn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51:55 -!- akahs has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:51:55 -!- _jeek has quit [Quit: changing servers] 06:52:51 -!- Lulero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:52:51 -!- djoor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:53:38 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:20:20 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 07:20:21 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is down for major renovations, back by early September, but try CSZO instead! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6221) by CommanderC 07:26:44 -!- MPR| has quit [Changing host] 07:28:04 -!- MPR| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:55 -!- MPR| has quit [Changing host] 07:29:30 -!- MPR has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:30:40 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34:55 -!- Pacra___ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34:55 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34:55 -!- Pacra___ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:20 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:37:17 -!- __jpmorg1n has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:22 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 07:38:48 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Client Quit] 07:40:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:42:50 -!- __jpmorgan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:42:50 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:42:50 -!- smeea has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:46:30 -!- Napkin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:38 -!- MPR has quit [Changing host] 07:52:21 -!- Napkin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:44 -!- Surr has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 07:52:44 -!- Yll has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 07:52:44 -!- rkd2 has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 07:52:44 -!- joosa has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 07:52:44 -!- ekix has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:45 -!- tJener has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:46 -!- CIA-68 has quit [] 07:53:09 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:49 -!- CIA-60 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:36 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:18 -!- F-Glex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:28 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:56 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:14 -!- Chousuke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:22 -!- MPR| has quit [*.net *.split] 08:02:22 -!- Adder_ has quit [*.net *.split] 08:02:23 -!- odiv has quit [*.net *.split] 08:02:23 -!- marcmagus has quit [*.net *.split] 08:02:23 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 08:02:23 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 08:02:23 -!- tw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 08:04:40 -!- tJener_ is now known as tJener 08:05:02 -!- tw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:08:51 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:40 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:10:11 -!- Yllodra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:45 -!- __jpmorg1n has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:10:45 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:11:01 -!- __jpmorgan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:08 -!- clinew has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:13:45 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:13:57 -!- lavos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:14:37 -!- bhaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:01 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:15:01 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:17:12 Deep Dwarves (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6222) by Denzi 08:17:17 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:18:13 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:18:13 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:49 -!- bhaak_ is now known as bhaak 08:25:50 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:36:41 -!- lavos has quit [*.net *.split] 08:36:41 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 08:38:15 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:25 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:37 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:09 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 08:43:43 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:53:40 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:41 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:41 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 10:01:42 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is down for major renovations, back by early September, but try CSZO instead! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 10:02:00 |amethyst: thanks. Should be able to use the same mask for everything 10:02:21 currently modified squares decay with probability 1/10. That should get adjusted by abyss speed 10:03:32 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:33 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:11 -!- bh has quit [] 10:04:19 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:27 that sounds like a good workaround 10:09:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:07 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21:40 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:34:51 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:26 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin 10:46:49 -!- Napkin has left ##crawl-dev 10:46:49 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:28 -!- domi_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:55 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:55:01 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:01 -!- fernandotakai has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:55 -!- Pacra___ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:00:20 -!- dg_ has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:05:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:05:59 -!- luukano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:07:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:01 -!- sacredchao is now known as stenno 11:14:21 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:22:31 -!- mrwooster has quit [Client Quit] 11:37:43 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:41:11 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:09 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:41 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:01 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:52:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:52 -!- absolutego has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:50 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:01:13 -!- absolutego has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:35 -!- mrwooster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:08:20 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:20 -!- ZRN has quit [] 12:10:42 -!- akahs has quit [Changing host] 12:10:42 -!- akahs has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:42 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:17:42 -!- ChongLi_ is now known as ChongLi 12:19:41 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:03 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:39:15 -!- Senri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:23 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:59 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:44:20 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:46:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:38 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:35 Anyone interested in trying to get Crawl into http://www.roguelikebundle.com/ ? 12:56:04 -!- Surr_ is now known as Surr 12:56:13 I guess we don't meet "100% accessible" :) 12:56:14 "All games will be brand new or significantly revamped." 12:56:24 "no myriad of keys to learn" 12:56:43 I have a feeling that Darren Grey dislikes, or even despises, Crawl. 12:57:32 ¿Porque? 12:58:08 Das ist ausländisch. 12:59:40 Well, he claims to be a long-time ADOM player, so I'd say his roguelike tastes are suspect anyway... 12:59:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: woooooooo] 13:01:53 Perhaps I got it wrong, but he doesn't seem to have a good opinion of Crawl. Nothing wrong with that, of course. 13:03:48 -!- nelq has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:04:20 11 june 2012 13:04:33 with three comments from august 13:05:24 Zannick: ? 13:05:38 i'm just amused how slow it took before the post got any attention 13:08:44 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:10:14 ah 13:11:06 he announced the page on the roguetemple forums (where the main discussions about the bundle take place) on august 25 13:14:06 dpeg: from what i remember from roguelike radio and the last IRDC where i talked a lot with him, darren grey just doesn't play dcss a lot 13:14:44 but i would not have thought that he is an ardent adom fan before it became obvious with the adom crowd sourcing, either 13:15:45 * dpeg lives in a very comfortable friends vs enemies world. :) 13:16:24 * dtsund wants to like ADOM, but the game just doesn't let him 13:17:15 grey is one of the the best adom players out there, yeah 13:18:31 -!- urthmover has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:19:05 i think he likes innovative roguelikes more and adom already completely fills his need for old style major roguelikes :) 13:19:28 -!- Xelf has quit [Quit: Xelf] 13:21:00 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:22:20 I boldly claim that Crawl is innovative. 13:23:31 not as innovative as for example a jeff lait game ;-p 13:23:39 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:42 like POWDER? :) 13:24:14 -!- bmfx is now known as tiles 13:24:34 -!- tiles is now known as bmfx 13:24:40 powder's goal wasn't being an innovative game but one that works well on a nintendo device :-) 13:25:15 after all, he did it because he didn't like the _GUI_ of the nethack port 13:27:23 Many pillars are firmly rooted in a game as big and old as Crawl, no question. But nonetheless I'd reckon that it does bring something new to the table (the roguelike table, that is, not the Crawl table). 13:27:26 -!- nonzhl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:29:15 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:29:23 but being big and not new, the new stuff is of course only a small percentage of the whole. 13:30:44 of course, but it might be still enough to inspire others 13:31:19 a small, new game can bring something completely else on to the table. also of course, the time you play something new and throw it away again is most often tiny compared to the time you enjoy a completely developped game as crawl 13:32:29 no question 13:33:09 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 13:35:21 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:44 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39:03 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:39:19 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:40:43 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:42:11 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:42 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:27 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:15 -!- Amplicon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:29 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:44 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:47:30 -!- Enensnen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:47:40 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 13:49:11 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:49 -!- indspenceable1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:13 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:35 Zot defence dungeon level resets but leaves PC intact (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6223) by Tsuno 14:12:27 -!- indspenceable1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:16:07 -!- Frosteey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:22 -!- odiv_ is now known as odiv 14:21:11 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:21:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38:07 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41:33 -!- ophanim_school is now known as ophanim 14:42:09 -!- ophanim is now known as ophanim_school 14:45:33 -!- pelotron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:13 -!- Snowclon1 is now known as Snowclone 14:53:29 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 14:53:34 03MarvinPA * r8a8741c62bbe 10/crawl-ref/settings/init.txt: Remove an axe trap reference 14:53:47 -!- Isabel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:55 !seen elliptic 15:00:55 I last saw elliptic at Thu Sep 13 19:58:24 2012 UTC (2m 31s ago) saying https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5820 on ##crawl. 15:01:07 dpeg: around 15:01:28 Hi! You just broke some record? 15:01:37 !hs * x=turn 15:01:42 1798793. [turn=27371] elliptic the Demonologist (L23 MuSu), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-13, with 52436210 points after 27371 turns and 8:00:10. 15:01:44 erm, I guess x=turn is redundant 15:02:02 oh :) Congratulations! On a MuSu... 15:02:16 pre-nerf musu :p 15:02:18 i wonder whether summoning should be nerfed!!1 15:02:19 dpeg: yeah, my overall high score record was broken a week ago so I wanted to steal it back :) 15:02:24 The eight hours indicate you optimised every turn? 15:02:24 !hs * -2 15:02:28 1798793/1798794. Sapher the Demonologist (L27 MuSu), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-06, with 41872669 points after 34583 turns and 17:03:14. 15:02:41 dpeg: not as much as Sapher did with those 17 hours :P 15:02:48 indeed, indeed :) 15:03:05 anyway it turns out that (pre-nerf; we were both playing 0.11) MuSu is pretty good at speedrunning 15:03:31 elliptic: now that it seems the wrath concept has potential, I realised that one thing has to be done before action can be taking action: need to add severity to current wraths. 15:03:47 strike out one "action" 15:04:09 dpeg: I thought the plan was to do that gradually? like, start out just using the current wrath effects and ignoring severity, then change them one by one 15:04:19 elliptic: ah, that's actually good, yes 15:04:40 * dpeg goes make an c-r-d mail. 15:05:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 15:06:55 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 15:07:54 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:09:51 elliptic: wouldn't it have been prudent to win that MuSu during the tournament? :) 15:10:01 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:10:26 dpeg: I won't be playing during the tournament... taking a break from playing crawl for a while now (I'll still be around doing things though, just not playing) 15:11:02 Mummy for infinite channeling? 15:11:23 dtsund: yeah, not having to rest (very long) for MP is pretty important 15:11:53 elliptic: I know that feeling. But what if Sapher beats your high-score? And can I still approach you? -- I rely on you for educated opinions. 15:12:30 -!- Guestavo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:55 I think beating that score will require quite some work and luck, since elliptic got lucky with pan runes and abyss 15:13:38 elliott: and perhaps it won't be possible at all after the summoning nerfs. 15:13:50 dpeg: if he beats my high score again then he can have it... for a while ;) and I'll still be hanging out on IRC a lot as usual, so certainly still feel welcome to ask my opinion about anything 15:14:02 cool, many thanks, I really appreciate it 15:14:15 dpeg: well, can still play 0.11 online for another year or so :) 15:14:36 dpeg: I'm not sure that MuSu is actually that much better than DEFE for speedrunning, though it does require less luck finding spells 15:14:40 !hs * -5 15:14:45 1798816/1798820. hyperbolic the Archmage (L27 DEFE), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 13 runes on 2012-05-21, with 35019863 points after 31157 turns and 9:27:12. 15:15:12 forgot two runes! 15:15:13 DEFE might win out in Light, because mummies can't channel infinitely safely 15:15:23 that game was headed for a pretty good time, but I lacked some key spells (regeneration, swiftness) and couldn't even get all the runes without spending a lot more time 15:16:10 dtsund: have you implemented the glow reduction thing for mummies in light yet? if not, I'm not surprised they'd fall behind, since they'd basically be a race with bad apts, inability to quaff, and little else :p 15:16:53 Yeah, I meant even after I implemented glow tolerance for them. 15:17:08 being able to ignore glow for the most part was still pretty nice on this MuSu, btw 15:17:21 dtsund: there's also the problem that glow does less to mummies in general 15:17:29 Though I'm also thinking of removing their mutation immunity and letting their rejuvenation ability remove their muts 15:17:33 that + glow reduction might make sif channeling resting still viable in light, I think 15:20:49 -!- anele has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:20:59 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:25:27 -!- Mumcon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:01 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:26:11 one more c-r-d mail, let's see how it goes 15:26:33 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:31:26 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: UkonÄuji] 15:31:27 -!- Senri has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37:55 -!- gldkw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:40:22 -!- rkdx has quit [] 15:40:33 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:24 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 15:49:32 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:52:54 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:53:55 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:55:00 -!- erikp is now known as erisdiscordia 15:55:57 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:30 -!- kwel01 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:44 -!- tw__ is now known as tw_ 16:02:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:28 -!- Predelnik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:04:28 -!- Orionstein is now known as orionspy 16:04:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:08 -!- orionspy is now known as orionstein 16:05:46 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:49 -!- Vidiny has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:07:50 elliott: By the way, glow tolerance for mummies is now in. 16:08:18 ok 16:08:21 perhaps i will play a mummy 16:08:29 dtsund: btw oneeyedjack has some crash problem 16:08:35 game keeps crashing when he kills stuff 16:09:05 dtsund: (has the server been rebuilt yet?) 16:09:12 Nope 16:12:15 elliott: Did you happen to be watching when it happened? Was he going unarmed? 16:12:44 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:12:57 i don't recall, i'll ask 16:13:17 dtsund: yes, unarmed 16:15:37 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:16:54 -!- orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:18:33 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:19:34 -!- Jaxy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:21:34 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 16:27:58 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:33:57 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:36 !seen galehar 16:37:37 I last saw galehar at Thu Sep 13 15:05:27 2012 UTC (6h 32m 9s ago) saying that sounds like a good workaround on ##crawl-dev. 16:39:27 !seen galehar 16:39:27 I last saw galehar at Thu Sep 13 15:05:27 2012 UTC (6h 33m 55s ago) saying that sounds like a good workaround on ##crawl-dev. 16:39:27 sorry 16:39:47 * galehar ducks in a corner 16:40:37 ??player_ghost 16:40:37 ghost[1/7]: Ghosts get damage, hitpoints, resistances, speed, and spells very closely based on the former adventurer. They can be very dangerous in every regard; e.g. fighter ghosts can do 40+ damage in a hit and have more hitpoints than hydras, well-equipped ghosts can resist nearly anything, and well-learned ghosts can summon butterflies or even mutate you. 16:40:41 ??ghost[2] 16:40:42 ghost[2/7]: All player ghosts, much like other undead, resist poison, asphyxiation, torment, and negative energy. Unlike player undead (player ghouls, vampires, and mummies), they do not (automatically) resist cold. 16:40:44 * dpeg sprays dandruffs all over, reaching into all holes and corners. 16:45:17 -!- ctair has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:49 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:52:14 -!- ctair has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:59 -!- Thrash has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:04:38 -!- Hosg1 is now known as Hosg 17:05:31 -!- ophanim_school has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:06:12 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:05 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:39 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:13 -!- imantor has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:27:23 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:28:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:00 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:32:05 -!- CIA-60 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:32:24 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:32:29 -!- CIA-102 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:36:06 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:39:21 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:13 -!- Sab0t has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:50 -!- ddubois has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52:44 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:21 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:54:06 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04:28 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06:08 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 18:08:25 ...wow. For players, haste_mul determines the potency of Slow, while haste_div determines the potency of Haste. 18:08:35 For monsters, it's the other way around. 18:08:41 That is... incredibly stupid. 18:09:22 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:13:22 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:15:41 -!- RollieTG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:16 dtsund: what's wrong there? 18:24:41 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:13 It matters if, like me, you want to decouple the two effects. 18:25:59 well, I don't see much point in undoing nerfs but keeping buffs 18:26:12 No, see 18:26:27 I'm fine with Slow being stronger than Haste. 18:26:43 -!- wefsd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:07 So I adjusted the functions accordingly, with Haste being weaker than old!Haste and Slow keeping the whole "half speed" thing. 18:28:16 Little did I know that this affected monsters differently from the player... 18:29:45 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:34:25 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:34:47 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 18:36:33 -!- Jacobe has quit [Client Quit] 18:36:33 -!- link_108 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:47 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:47 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:45:44 -!- hh_ has quit [Quit: In the time it takes for a woman to get ready, the weather is almost guaranteed to change.] 18:49:19 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:49:49 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:34 -!- eb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:50 -!- blmarket has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:06 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:38 -!- blackbrew has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:22 -!- RollieTG has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 19:07:11 -!- VideoGames has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:09:34 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:13:11 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:57 -!- elliott has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:29 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:51 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 19:19:56 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:21 apart from exhausting the number of map masks we can have, are there reasons not to add new ones? 19:24:10 -!- Alucard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24:44 -!- daftfad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:25:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:28:48 -!- Lyiiro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:34:38 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:20 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38:26 -!- Salivanth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:48:56 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:59 -!- BlackSheep_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:09 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:37 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:50 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:02:22 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:39 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:02 kilobyte: re: banishment: You don't rob a liquor store* to get beer. (* regionalisms aside) 20:09:21 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:51 kilobyte makes a very valid point 20:12:30 ChrisOelmueller: I disagree. It just suggests that Lucy wrath isn't bad enough 20:13:41 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:44 the problem is that the player should not be able to squeeze her out to the point where a supposedly bad effect is a 100% reliable escape button that costs absolutely nothing, assuming you wanted to leave her soon anyways 20:14:07 ChrisOelmueller: what if the timing wasn't guaranteed? 20:14:56 you are banished 50-100 turns after leaving? 20:15:36 ontoclasm: or you're banished 50-750 turns after your tension hits zero 20:18:16 oh, btw 20:18:24 bh: i drew an apocalypse drake 20:18:28 ! zomg :) 20:18:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:19:05 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1000017/crawl/apocalypse_drake.png 20:19:23 cute little bugger 20:19:37 roctavian's drakes are adorable 20:19:55 -!- domi is now known as domi_ 20:19:56 d'aww 20:19:59 abyss already has a very rare drake that breathes debilitating you want to escape immeadiately :P 20:20:10 err, debilitating clouds 20:20:23 but chaos clouds are like 20:20:23 !seen roctavian 20:20:23 I last saw roctavian at Sun Sep 2 02:43:41 2012 UTC (1w 4d 22h 36m 42s ago) quitting without a message. 20:20:27 ten times more hilarious 20:20:45 HangedMan: which drake is that? 20:20:57 death drakes 20:21:29 as soon as you find one drac caller in the abyss you probably can get hundreds of those 20:21:45 I like seething chaos breath but am thus iffy about another drake 20:23:39 HangedMan: how about another dragon? 20:26:31 Another thought I had was a ball lightning style 'ball of chaos' (or something with a better name) that attempts to banish you 20:31:16 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:34:12 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:36:25 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:37:03 -!- daftfad has quit [Changing host] 20:39:12 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:41:30 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:41:51 -!- Senri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:46:31 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1000017/crawl/lorcs.png 20:48:09 is there a standard way of writing vardic functions in crawl? 20:48:36 am also not fond of the ridiculous number of dragons in crawl but it's better then the drake overlap, I guess 20:51:06 HangedMan: if you want to rework some of the abyss beastiary that would be very much awesome. 20:51:21 eeep 20:51:48 I still have a million vaults to go through 20:52:31 ...do abyss vaults (and more specifically, the ones that used lots of empty space in the vaults) work fine in newnewabyss? 20:53:25 HangedMan: nothing has changed in that regard. The abyss roils around vaults. 20:53:34 good 20:55:54 okay, lorcs finished 20:56:03 i did my bit :v 21:00:28 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:41 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:05:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:07:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:35 -!- guestavo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:00 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:39 -!- tkappleton has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 21:11:40 -!- guestguy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:21:49 -!- daftfad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26:53 <|amethyst> !tell bh we only use true variadic argument lists for printf-style functions 21:26:53 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 21:27:12 <|amethyst> !tell bh and we use the C va_args stuff for those 21:27:12 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 21:27:37 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:46 <|amethyst> !tell bh (oh, also a few Lua things) 21:27:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 21:28:52 <|amethyst> !tell bh (well, a few others, so I guess "only" was wrong; but it's all va_args) 21:28:54 |amethyst: OK, I'll let bh know. 21:29:39 -!- Senri has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:41 -!- Turgor has quit [] 21:30:41 -!- BlackSheep_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:44 <|amethyst> hm... why *are* zombies MONUSE_NOTHING instead of MONUSE_STARTING_EQUIPMENT ? 21:32:26 <|amethyst> oh, right, because that lets them pick up potions etc 21:32:51 <|amethyst> and open doors 21:33:12 yes, it'd need hacks :( 21:33:28 <|amethyst> FR: make MONUSE_* a bitmask 21:34:26 -!- RollieTG has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 21:35:49 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:37:50 -!- tkappleton has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:10 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:58 -!- Sab0t has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:42 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:00:11 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 22:00:14 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:00:17 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:59 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 22:08:05 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 22:08:17 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:12:04 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:12:35 -!- JackRogers has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:53 any idea when .11 is coming to webtiles on tiles.crawl.develz.org? 22:14:07 <|amethyst> Possibly never, but hopefully we can get another European server at some point 22:15:14 <|amethyst> AIUI Napkin (the CDO admin) doesn't really have time or motivation to keep CDO webtiles up-to-date (it requires manual updates currently) 22:16:03 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:16:07 <|amethyst> maybe he'll have time to do it once when 0.11 is released 22:17:30 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17:30 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:18:42 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:22:06 -!- sacredchao has quit [Changing host] 22:22:57 -!- Sab0t has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:52 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:25:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:28:23 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 22:30:23 -!- Sab0t has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33:21 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:38 -!- Rewans has quit [] 22:36:17 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:29 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:40:44 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:33 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:09 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:10 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:49:57 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:55:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:55:58 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:30 !learn edit crawl_light[1] s/light.bitprayer.com/dashify.me/ 23:02:30 crawl light[1/3]: A fork of Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. http://crawl.aerdan.org/ | #CrawlLight | telnet://dashify.me:23 23:02:56 -!- Sab0t_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:38 -!- y2s82 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:27 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:25 Nazgul (L18 MiFi) (Shoals:2) 23:10:25 -!- Tally has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:13:51 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:27 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 23:17:58 !lm * crash -log 23:18:01 3698. Nazgul, XL18 MiFi, T:50171 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Nazgul/crash-Nazgul-20120914-040238.txt 23:19:12 looks like it was caused by trying to headbutt a dead kraken 23:23:08 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:06 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 23:27:19 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:27:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:29:00 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:29:05 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:41 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:03 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:14 -!- wjchen has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:19 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:41 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:41:45 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 23:50:36 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:51:37 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:03 Whales (L27 DsGl) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_index(mg.foe) || mg.foe == MHITYOU || mg.foe == MHITNOT) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1679 failed. 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