00:00:35 why do you think they call it "the gimp" 00:00:54 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-b1-94-g6884582 (33) 00:01:51 -!- ryak has quit [Quit: If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments] 00:02:11 03ontoclasm * r47cfca666f92 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/animals/adder.png: Brighten adders up a bit 00:03:18 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-94-g6884582 00:04:02 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: good timing on the upload btw 00:04:16 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 00:04:31 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-379-g47cfca6 (34) 00:05:19 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:05:23 <|amethyst> because now it's on CSZO :) 00:06:04 he,y those are easier to see! 00:06:12 note to self 00:06:23 commit everything just before midnight 00:06:28 <|amethyst> looks good :) 00:08:16 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:19 yay, now the bailey secret door thing is fixed (I assume?) 00:08:46 <|amethyst> I fixed it much earlier 00:08:49 <|amethyst> err 00:08:59 <|amethyst> I didn't fix it per se, but I updated CSZO early 00:09:15 ah 00:09:19 you might want to close https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6170 :) 00:09:50 <|amethyst> oh, didn't notice the issue, thanks 00:12:37 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:13:23 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:14:05 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:18 hmm.. does the abyss need more state. Currently the abyss is a single cube. 00:14:29 It's approximately 2^31^3 00:14:30 -!- SirVaulterScoff has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:14:59 -!- RollieTG has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]] 00:15:40 doesn't sound big enough 00:17:30 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:32 ontoclasm: suppose you have one square for every kilogram 00:17:40 making up Jupiter. That's about how big the abyss is. 00:18:39 sounds good 00:18:59 <|amethyst> let's memoize the whole thing! 00:19:11 <|amethyst> 96-bit computers aren't that far off! 00:19:24 |amethyst: I'll leave that to you 00:20:09 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-379-g47cfca6 00:20:11 I'd like to add a 'make me a badass' button to wizmode. Sometimes you want to be able to oneshot the dungeon. 00:20:35 &A27 does pretty well 00:20:48 evilmike: "There are some reasons to lock loot chambers, but a "no item pickup" flag of some sort would be better." -> 00:20:54 ontoclasm: I'm talking about +foo,+bar ring of slaying 00:20:55 %git be8529a4 00:20:55 MarvinPA * 0.12-a0-361-gbe8529a: Add a "no_pickup" tag to prevent monsters picking up loot in some vaults (13 hours ago, 5 files, 16+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/be8529a4645c 00:20:58 ah 00:20:59 <|amethyst> you still have to create items and memorise spells 00:21:09 MarvinPA: yeah, I saw that just after I wrote that :P 00:21:12 heh 00:21:29 i think it could do with a version that you can apply to an entire vault rather than just individual items, maybe 00:22:07 my vault-fu is weak but i might try and figure out how to extend it for that 00:22:07 I think it would be more useful to have one that applies to a whole vault. But only make it work for items placed by the vault 00:22:16 so, a vault with that tag won't apply it to randomly generated items 00:22:21 MarvinPA: Look up how the tags work to apply properties to every square? 00:22:23 yeah 00:22:24 Like the no_tele_into 00:23:01 * dtsund doesn't envy the task of adding vault syntax 00:23:10 yeah, i didn't look into it much yet but something like the patrolling tag seems like it should be similar in theory, since that can be applied to entire vaults as well as individual monsters 00:23:29 <3 constructive solid geometry 00:23:34 hm, that seems kind of odd 00:23:39 it's depressing when all the gold gets picked up by mummies in tomb:3 00:24:01 if you -drop- a wielded weapon of distort and get banished, it drops the item before banishing you 00:24:02 evilmike: why would mummies pick up gold? What could they possibly buy? More teeth? 00:24:08 i think 00:24:16 ontoclasm: that's hilarious. 00:24:19 monsters just pick up items, even stuff they can't really use 00:25:02 For a long time, I had legitimately wondered why one of the Tomb:3 loot vaults was so much more empty than the other 00:25:03 crawl doesn't really do "loot drops" with monsters, aisde from the stuff they normally get. So I guess that behaviour fills that role 00:25:11 Before it occured to me that it was just full of gold that had since been taken 00:25:44 Is gitorious *really* slow? 00:25:56 it was for me a few minutes ago 00:26:06 ontoclasm: that seems reasonable 00:26:16 You are now empty-handed. 00:26:16 You drop a +1,+0 dwarven sabre of distortion. 00:26:16 You are cast into the Abyss! 00:26:21 ontoclasm: you unwield it and throw it on the floor and you end up in the abyss 00:26:25 yeah, i guess it makes sense 00:26:38 presumably normally you just tug it out of your hands and shove it in your pack when you get banished or something 00:26:50 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 00:27:22 distort weapons can be annoying. In one game I had a hell of a time leveling up because I just kept banishing everything 00:27:41 it was just sort of funny returning and finding my sabre on the floor at my feet 00:27:41 Well, that's much less of a downside now 00:28:38 hmm, what level of the abyss should banished monsters go to? 00:28:49 I guess they should just have a chance to spawn on whatever level you are currently on or whatever 00:29:27 I hope I can implement the monster spawn behavior -- I want normal monsters to appear in sight, screaming in a cloud of energy 00:29:42 I suppose that should become less common the deeper you go and weird awful things should become more common 00:30:00 keep in mind that not all monsters scream 00:30:06 yes. 00:30:21 It might be sort of fun to actually see banished monsters arriving, though 00:30:55 <_dd> ok ontoclasm how's this 00:30:58 The orc warrior stares at you wistfully as it is devored by a tear in reality! 00:31:01 <_dd> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=3801&type=bug 00:31:33 oh yeah -- I should implement getting banished when you're in the abyss 00:31:43 significantly more evil-looking :) 00:31:44 If you get banished on A:27 where should you go? :) 00:32:00 you should die instantly 00:32:06 <_dd> here it is with background https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=3802&type=bug 00:32:12 alternatively make abyss infinite so there's no problem 00:32:26 looks good 00:32:56 i'll wait for khufu and then put them in 00:33:00 <_dd> ok 00:33:15 Something about the horns strike me as slightly out of theme, to be honest =/ 00:33:23 <_dd> hm i guess khufu should be somewhat similar to greater mummy 00:33:35 <_dd> what would you suggest instead of horns 00:34:10 <_dd> it's kind of hard to just make it look like a real skull at that size, without making it comically large... 00:34:11 I'm not sure. I actually thought the Menkaure tile of yours was a new mummy priest one for a bit 00:34:12 _dd: kangraoo ears! 00:34:20 it could have a hat 00:34:33 <_dd> one of those huge voodoo masks 00:34:35 I might honestly be more inclined towards a headdress of some sort, yeah 00:34:38 -!- marcmagus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:34:39 http://www.tts-group.co.uk/_rmvirtual/media/tts/images/AR00328.jpg 00:34:43 <_dd> and a giant codpiece 00:34:49 hm, just found a 0.11 bug :/ 00:34:52 the bigger the codpiece the stronger the magic 00:34:59 The helpless hound fails to defend itself. 00:34:59 The hound barks! 00:34:59 You skewer the hound like a kebab!!! 00:34:59 You kill the hound! 00:34:59 <_dd> nothing says i'm a bad muthafucka like a big codpiece 00:35:29 Oh dear 00:35:59 elliptic: wouldn't *you* yelp if you got stabbed? 00:36:25 evilmike: btw, people seem to be getting a lot of shapeshifters in moth of suppression form 00:36:29 is that intentional? 00:36:33 <_dd> would it help if i made the horns shorter 00:36:47 (AFAICT nobody has actually encountered a moth of suppression, but I've seen at least two people encounter moth of suppression shaped shapeshifters) 00:37:04 elliott: allowing them for shapeshifters is intentional... it's interesting how common they are for shapeshifters though 00:37:09 I suppose it's just their HD 00:37:14 _dd: how about make the mask, say, bright red, and have no mouth at all 00:37:35 It might. To be honest, I'd still prefer the hat/headdress, personally (for whatever that's worth). At the moment, I can't shake something 'primal' or animalistic about the current tile of yours. Or something minotaurish. 00:37:36 it would be easy to make them invalid for polymorphs but I don't see the point. And yeah, right now they're more common as shapeshifters than normal enemies 00:37:37 evilmike: right -- seems to be that people (at least one person) are running into such shapeshifters many times per game, which seems undesirable 00:38:12 <_dd> hm back to the drawing board 00:38:17 the huge aura makes them stand out a lot more 00:38:23 right 00:38:34 I hate shapeshifters. Do they actually heal on shift? Or do they just shift a monster with currentApproximateHD()? 00:38:43 maybe it should be blocked by walls (wensley argued against this, though) 00:38:52 you could make some argument that shapeshifters wouldn't want to mimic something with such an obvious aura, because it'd give them away when it suddenly appears everywhere :) 00:39:14 but I guess it's tied to polymorph? 00:39:44 On the other hand, shapeshifters turning into them all the time means more changes for bug detection and testing! :P 00:39:47 It's easy to make monsters invalid for polymorph 00:40:50 DracoOmega: I only worry that a rare, unqiue and (hopefully) surprising enemy will become mundane due to being encountered frequently in shapeshifter form 00:41:15 ok -- how's this for behavior: getting banished within the abyss causes a random walk on your depth, biased toward pulling you deeper 00:41:20 the gigantic aura makes me want to make them unusable for polymorphs 00:41:32 I knew they'd be valid for shapeshifters, but didn't really think about the implications 00:42:15 if you're using polymorph to get rid of one scary big thing, a moth of suppression is probably going to be boringly easy to kill anyway, I suspect 00:44:34 bh: but what about the "The foo wobbles." message for banishing something that's already in the abyss :( 00:44:34 MarvinPA: I'll fix that 00:44:34 well i mean you'd have to remove it 00:44:34 and it's the greatest message 00:44:34 so that would be sad :P 00:44:34 bh: I'd just make it pull you deeper 00:44:34 and if you're on A:27 you wobble :P 00:44:34 yay 00:44:34 (alternatively there are MAXINT abyss levels rather than 27 so you always get pulled deeper) 00:44:34 <_dd> ok i made a shorter horn version and edited the skull face a bit 00:44:34 <_dd> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=3803&type=bug 00:44:34 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:17 eldritch tentacle is an awesome miscast effect 00:45:20 well, i'll give them M_NO_POLY_TO whenever gitorious comes back 00:45:33 at least until a better solution can be figured out 00:45:59 neat, silence, suppression, and halo all overlap perfectly in tiles 00:46:09 (completely by accident) 00:46:24 btw here is a possibly bad monster idea: give soul eaters the drain life spell 00:46:46 <_dd> ontoclasm, how does it look 00:46:57 pretty good actually 00:47:05 you can observe it on cszo 00:47:13 MarvinPA: what if banishment became unreliable when in the abyss? It would leave in the wobble message 00:47:22 st_ suggested a while ago to give soul eaters a full los "mini torment" spell, but drain life seems oddly fitting for them 00:47:24 It would also stop Lucy followers from just going banish mad 00:47:32 bh: n/27 chance to fail 00:47:34 * elliott tunes in 00:47:36 where n is your depth 00:47:39 ontoclasm: I like that 00:47:50 you can't really go completely banish mad since it costs piety, but ontoclasm's idea sounds good 00:47:56 ontoclasm: nice overlap 00:48:01 <_dd> ok then i'll let you know when i get khufu done 00:48:09 ontoclasm: is this wizmode 00:48:14 ah it is 00:48:20 no, i just ran into all those dudes in the abyss 00:48:45 ontoclasm: I like how it just shows "*" in webtiles 00:48:47 instead of *WIZARD* 00:48:57 this stabbing bug is being annoying to track down 00:49:02 the star of ultimate power 00:49:08 ontoclasm: you could get tiles players to watch you and I bet they wouldn't even notice it's wizmode! 00:49:09 since it only seems to happen 10% of the time or so 00:49:12 go deck yourself out and do some zigs 00:49:52 "how did I max out all my skills in 3k? well, that's a secret..." 00:49:52 In your confused state, you trip and fall through the gate. 00:50:17 -!- indspenceable has quit [Client Quit] 00:50:36 what determines shapeshifter hd anyway? is it always the same? 00:51:11 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:51:20 ontoclasm: pfft, you should get a vamp lajatang instead 00:51:25 -!- Dattu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Client Quit] 00:57:36 hm 00:57:38 maybe so 00:59:27 wow, it displays * in console too 00:59:37 ontoclasm: you can just use &t instead of using ea scrolls 00:59:44 also &% lets you say "scroll of enchant armour" to get it 00:59:48 Is you.depth absolute depth or level depth? 01:00:39 ah 01:00:58 neat 01:01:23 my ac is strangely low still 01:01:29 i am only barely diesel 01:02:35 <_dd> ok khufu done 01:02:53 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:53 <_dd> i edited it from greater mummy since the old tiles are similar too 01:03:06 <_dd> but i think it's different enough 01:03:11 <_dd> if not i can edit it further 01:03:17 ontoclasm: IMO wear the white chocolate 01:03:19 er, the milk chocolate 01:05:35 how do I force a UI redraw? 01:09:12 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-94-g6884582 01:09:47 <|amethyst> hm, weird 01:11:39 bh: ^R? 01:11:54 dtsund: from inside codeland. I used redraw_screen() 01:12:15 Oh. 01:12:18 <|amethyst> what specifically needs to be redrawn? 01:12:27 branch/depth info 01:12:56 -!- laan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13:00 print_stats_level? 01:13:13 aren't there redraw flags to set for that 01:13:15 or is that a 4.1 innovation 01:14:20 |amethyst: can you pull my branch upstream? 01:14:27 <|amethyst> there isn't a flag for that in particular 01:14:34 <|amethyst> print_stats_level seems like it should work 01:14:36 <|amethyst> bh: sure 01:15:15 I think it's getting interesting enough to not be utterly dull. The current map is pretty darn trivial, but I think it's a good demonstration of the concept 01:16:22 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-94-g6884582 01:17:09 apparently the stabbing bug is due to monsters being woken up by smelling their own blood being spilled 01:17:20 nice 01:17:30 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:17:37 "bug" 01:17:44 <|amethyst> so, the interface sucks, but: http://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ 01:17:59 <|amethyst> (no SSL for dobrazupa.org yet unfortunately) 01:18:02 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleepytime] 01:18:09 03bh 07inception * r1ca8ab96392d 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Remove abyss room generation 01:18:09 03bh 07inception * r56711abdfcf6 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Abyssal Stair Chance 01:18:09 03bh 07inception * r00daad9c7c54 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h tag-version.h tags.cc terrain.cc): Merge branch 'inception' of git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl into inception 01:18:10 03bh 07inception * r35607c2b5e07 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc items.cc main.cc stairs.cc): Stair and Rune Modifications 01:18:11 03bh 07inception * r6aea0ddcad12 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Fix offset error 01:18:11 03bh 07inception * rbb63eb2994b8 10/crawl-ref/source/ (Makefile.obj abyss.cc dgn-proclayouts.cc dgn-proclayouts.h): Procedural Dungeon Generators! 01:18:12 03bh 07inception * r0a267cfb26e7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc dgn-proclayouts.cc dgn-proclayouts.h): More procedural layouts 01:18:12 03bh 07inception * r89c52e53f4bb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (cellular.cc cellular.h): Worley Changes 01:18:13 03bh 07inception * rc6d1edbd76da 10/crawl-ref/source/ (5 files): Old Abyss Clone 01:18:13 03bh 07inception * r9aeca2af6a5d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc abyss.h dgn-proclayouts.h): Mixed Column Abyss 01:18:13 03bh 07inception * r88ea4518e5e2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (beam.cc effects.cc main.cc spl-miscast.cc): We need to go deeper. 01:18:14 03bh 07inception * rc4debabac3eb 10/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc: Message fixup 01:18:18 03bh 07inception * rc7f02a05bb7b 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Remove liquids from the abyss. 01:18:20 03bh 07inception * r0c82497eea51 10/crawl-ref/source/ (perlin.cc perlin.h): Perlin Noise 01:18:26 03bh 07inception * r5c72e573e07c 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile.obj: Add perlin.o to Makefile 01:18:37 RIP liquids 01:19:13 i kinda want to see how abyss plays now 01:19:18 <|amethyst> I had intended to print progress messages as it happens, but for now it will just spin there until it runs 01:19:26 <|amethyst> s/runs/finished rebuilding/ 01:19:34 <|amethyst> use responsibly, of course 01:20:09 <|amethyst> (you can also use e.g. http://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/trunk ) 01:20:10 anyways looks like a huge commit 01:20:45 Dixie: its not in trunk yet 01:22:54 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:24:14 03|amethyst * rf85a4c9c98d1 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/new_dev_checklist.txt: Make new-dev IRC instructions more clear. 01:26:18 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:29:33 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:31:53 <|amethyst> I added the rebuild link to the admin front page on cszo DGL 01:32:17 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 01:35:13 bh: I saw two adjacent gateways deeper and then got pulled into a different region :'( 01:35:29

bh inception * rc7f02a05bb7b /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Remove liquids from the abyss. 01:35:31 le gasp 01:35:43 oh he's gone 01:36:10 thats a shakeup of megaproportions 01:36:16 gonna be interesting 01:36:17 it's not in trunk 01:36:21 :\ 01:36:24 should be 01:36:33 well he is redoing the whole abyss :P 01:37:33 !tell bh gateways leading out seem a little too common on Abyss:1 -- also, the abyss seems to shift too much; I keep finding portals deeper and then getting shifted while I walk towards them! 01:37:33 elliott: OK, I'll let bh know. 01:39:04 !tell bh and on abyss:2, gateways out seem very frequent, but gateways deeper seem fairly rare :p 01:39:05 elliott: OK, I'll let bh know. 01:42:07 03elliptic * rf9b887fb4ef2 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix some monsters being alerted by smelling blood from their own death. 01:42:07 03elliptic 07stone_soup-0.11 * r6a8b81e6262f 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix some monsters being alerted by smelling blood from their own death. 01:43:08 !tell bh it's looking good in general, though 01:43:08 elliott: OK, I'll let bh know. 01:43:28 it's supposed to just be a big grid of metal boxes at the moment, right? 01:43:37 evilmike: there are also sections that look just like the old abyss 01:43:48 the idea is to have a whole bunch of mini generators that get pieced together, it seems 01:44:06 but yes, right now it doesn't seem to have very good scaling, and the generators are a bit bland 01:44:11 early days 01:44:39 -!- RollieTG has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]] 01:45:04 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:45:42 I'm just getting the metal boxes right now 01:45:48 they seem to be higher-weighted or something 01:46:08 doesn't really matter at such an early stage, I was just wondering about the old abyss flavoured stuff 01:46:19 because I'm not seeing that, except, it seems, in my immediate surroundings on being banished 01:46:37 right 01:46:53 I think the plan is to have one of the generators work by corrupting existing regular level generators in various ways 01:46:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-381-gf9b887f (34) 01:47:01 as part of a collection 01:48:07 sounds like it 01:48:51 ontoclasm: you have two people watching you on tiles 01:48:52 hmm, the "deeper into the abyss" portals seem to generate a whole new level, rather than corrupting the surrounding area like on when you get banished 01:49:16 bh made it sound like he had it do the latter, as an unintended feature 01:49:48 maybe he accidentally fixed it :) 01:50:25 aw. it sounded cool 01:51:31 <|amethyst> okay, the rebuild now shows stuff as it happens 01:51:36 this endless grid is in many ways more disturbing than the old abyss 01:51:50 <|amethyst> the problem was with mod_deflate, which I have now disabled for that particular UIR 01:51:51 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-95-g6a8b81e 01:51:53 <|amethyst> URI 01:52:45 it is quite bleak right now, yes 01:57:24 is somebody termcasting the new abyss 01:57:28 because you should 01:57:43 <_dd> ontoclasm wanna take a look at my quickblade tiles 01:57:52 <_dd> i just updated them 01:58:11 those look good 01:58:13 ontoclasm: it's not much to look at right now 01:58:49 <_dd> i don't think there's much point in making different tiles for elven qblades 01:58:55 nah 01:59:07 qblades are rare enough it'd be a waste 01:59:25 <_dd> yeah and also it's such a distinct design it was hard enough making 3 variants 01:59:54 -!- sssimon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:47 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:01:04 do you mind if i try messing around with the priest mask? 02:01:11 ontoclasm: there's really not that much to see next re: new abyss 02:01:11 <_dd> nah go ahead 02:02:25 -!- namad7 has quit [] 02:08:40 -!- moxian has quit [Quit: quit] 02:11:20 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:12:07 03evilmike * rf4c549335f9c 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Give moths of suppression M_NO_POLY_TO. 02:12:47 <|amethyst> shapeshifters? 02:13:03 yeah 02:13:13 <|amethyst> want to try cszo's newest feature? 02:13:24 sure!! although this isn't really a bugfix 02:13:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:13:43 <|amethyst> mostly for testing purposes :) 02:14:12 it's doing a full rebuild by the looks of it... 02:14:15 _dd: how about this? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1000017/crawl/mummypriest.png 02:14:19 <|amethyst> and to make my collection of binaries grow (it's only at 4 GiB) 02:14:39 <|amethyst> evilmike: should be fast because of ccache 02:14:53 <|amethyst> evilmike: it's a full rebuild because the last thing that was built was 0.11 02:15:03 ah 02:15:42 <|amethyst> it did ask you for a password, right? 02:15:48 yes 02:15:52 <|amethyst> ok, good :) 02:18:00 <|amethyst> OHH 02:18:07 <|amethyst> the web rebuild isn't using ccache :) 02:18:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-382-gf4c5493 (34) 02:21:01 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:37 -!- Sab0t has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:25:50 -!- josh__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28:37 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:29:20 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-95-g6a8b81e 02:29:35 <|amethyst> There we go, it uses ccache now 02:30:14 I'll test it, what's the password? :P 02:30:37 <|amethyst> your CSZO account password, but you're not an admin :) 02:30:57 should be an easy fix 02:31:01 <|amethyst> :P 02:32:18 -!- SirVaulterScoff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:02 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:35:48 -!- KKCryptic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:39:23 <_dd> ontoclasm, that looks pretty good 02:41:17 okay, i'm gonna commit em then 02:41:20 the qblades too 02:41:27 thanks :D 02:41:41 <_dd> i'll make some slight edits to it 02:41:47 oh 02:41:53 okay, go for it 02:41:55 <_dd> just a small tweak 02:41:59 let me know when you're done 02:42:13 <_dd> ok... won't take long 02:43:23 -!- joth00 has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:49:19 <_dd> ok there 02:49:34 <_dd> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=3810&type=bug 02:49:43 |amethyst: do you still have that regex you wrote for tracking down secret doors? infiniplex's vaults subvaults have some, but the crash messages all helpfully point to layout_vaults (which is placing the offending subvaults) 02:49:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 02:50:16 _dd: if i switch tabs back and forth he looks like he's rockin out 02:50:24 <_dd> :D 02:50:48 <_dd> yeah i moved the mask 1 px to the right, it seemed a bit too jutting out imo 02:50:53 mm 02:51:11 <_dd> also i did some pixel tweaks, tried adding some roundness back to the top of the skull 02:51:21 okay, i'll go ahead and commit 'em 02:51:32 <_dd> yeah 02:52:12 03evilmike 07new_vaults_layout * r41f1c1a720ed 10/crawl-ref/ (586 files in 44 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into new_vaults_layout 02:52:25 oh, dang, i have to learn how weapon display works now 02:53:31 I think it's just some bit switch statement that has x/y offsets in it 02:53:33 big* 02:53:36 yeah 02:53:59 <_dd> fwiw i think the weapon placement for the mummies is just 1 px up 02:54:04 <_dd> from normal 02:54:12 ok 02:54:29 let's see if i can guess correctly 02:54:58 <_dd> of course menkaure, greater & khufu won't even need weapons 02:55:04 yeah 02:55:08 <_dd> they have their hands full 02:55:08 and the other three are the same 02:55:16 <_dd> yeah the others are same 02:55:16 <|amethyst> evilmike: grep '^[NS][^:]*:.*[=:][^,/]*=' and grep 'subst([^)]*[=:][^,/]*=' for lua 02:55:19 thanks! 02:55:32 <|amethyst> (those don't look at the map, of course) 02:59:34 <|amethyst> hm, gitorious seems to be down-ish 02:59:49 it's extremely slow 03:00:43 <|amethyst> using the ssh repo doesn't work for me at all 03:00:50 <|amethyst> haven't tried git:// 03:01:08 <|amethyst> oh, there it goes 03:10:11 03ontoclasm * r5682cb9bf96e 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Qblade tiles (dd) 03:10:12 03ontoclasm * r4bd594facc02 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Mummy tiles (dd) 03:11:06 -!- Silurio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:11:31 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:39 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:46 -!- deadrabbit has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:24:14 03evilmike 07new_vaults_layout * rf0a03b588336 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/vaults_rooms.des: Desecretize the layout_vaults subvaults. 03:27:03 -!- Sab0t_ is now known as sab0t 03:34:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:35:40 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:36:25 <_dd> player doll tiles seem to be messed up in the latest build 03:37:53 <_dd> other monster tiles as well... 03:38:05 <_dd> regular orc looks like saint roka 03:38:33 <_dd> all other tiles seem fine... 03:39:28 I think that's a webtiles caching thing 03:39:33 Unless that was fixed 03:39:41 (Assuming you're referring to webtiles, of course) 03:40:29 But I think that it didn't properly update the images client-side when changes were made to tile indexes server-side. Or something like that. 03:41:07 <_dd> no i mean local build 03:41:37 <_dd> orc warriors look like orc priests... lol this is gonna be confusing 03:42:09 <_dd> it's like there's some kind of offset error in reading the tiles png 03:43:18 <_dd> orc wizards look like regular orcs... gah 03:44:08 <_dd> can i revert to a previous trunk version without messing up saves 03:44:50 <_dd> also is anyone else having this problem with the latest trunk 03:45:10 <_dd> or is it just me and i messed up compiling it or something 03:45:19 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:48:22 -!- evilmike has quit [] 03:53:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:00:29 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:10:29 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:42 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:38 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:19 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:48 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:39 -!- buki has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:36:00 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 04:45:49 !messages 04:45:49 (1/1) dpeg said (9h 42m 16s ago): potential abyss rune pickup messages: settembre 5 log, 2 am 04:48:08 <_dd> should i file a bug report or what 04:51:21 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:58 galehar: off by some hours 04:53:11 _dd: does it also happen with a new game? 04:54:07 "You feel the rune guiding you out of this place." 04:54:14 galehar: good! 04:54:24 yeah, seems good 04:55:45 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:55:49 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:56:31 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 04:58:27 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:17 what's "Brogue-style monster pursuit"? 04:59:59 hm, perhaps that they use stairs even if not adjacent to you? 05:00:02 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-358-ga6b1c90 05:05:43 also: "DoomRL-style sidestepping" 05:05:47 I'd like that for crawl too 05:08:18 -!- thened has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:08:19 -!- thened_ is now known as thened 05:09:00 yes, it's good that Light has it, makes it easy for us to test and incorporate 05:10:50 02:59:59 <@dpeg> hm, perhaps that they use stairs even if not adjacent to you? 05:10:53 yes 05:10:57 it's pretty broken as-is though 05:11:08 exploits &c 05:12:47 I am sure it can be exploited by the player ... one could say the same thing about Crawl's stair use. :) 05:13:28 I think the Brogue approach to stairs is good if you have few, tough monsters. With myriads of them, the other one may be better. They both work. 05:14:48 I thought it was broken enough when I used it to close distance with ranged attackers without needing to approach them, and get enemies to chokepoints on safe levels, but I hear there's a worse exploit where if you lay down clouds after taking stairs and break los with the staircase your enemies will die without you even seeing them 05:14:53 (did that cut off?) 05:16:07 "without seeing them" 05:16:16 ah, that's the full thing 05:16:28 <_dd> yes also with new game 05:16:41 monqy: yes, it might be something to design the game for, not to add on afterwards. 05:18:47 <_dd> galehar, yes it happens with new game too 05:19:21 <_dd> it's like the offset is screwed when reading the png with the tiles 05:19:31 <_dd> only for player and monster tiles though, item tiles seem fine 05:19:36 -!- Thrun has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:25:48 monqy: the cloud thing got fixed 05:26:05 is the fix exploitable.... 05:26:22 monqy: it simply considers disliked cloud squares as occupied 05:26:26 so they'll pop out beside it, usually 05:26:40 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26:43 arguably you can exploit this to push monsters into a specific place but that's pushing the definition of exploit imo 05:27:29 monqy: to be fair, you could approach distance with ranged attackers like that in brogue too, if they didn't have maddeningly smart AI 05:30:15 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:25 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:40:27 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:09 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:50:28 -!- hart has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:53:20 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:17:49 -!- sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:17:54 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:10 -!- _159 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:19:16 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:20:12 well, we can enable it only for friendly monsters. I'm not sure we need it for hostiles 06:20:43 Also, I'd be interested in some opinions about importing doomrl-like sidestep 06:22:16 -!- josh__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:23:56 just don't make it work on hellfire burst 06:23:59 that would be bad right monqy 06:24:58 it would give an EV boost, so it would work on anything that can be dodged 06:25:15 which is on of the hellfire attack but not the other, right? 06:25:24 neither 06:25:35 sidestepping aoe stuff is really weird and unintuitive imo 06:25:39 -!- Syrio has quit [Client Quit] 06:25:50 aoe stuff can't be dodged 06:26:08 so sidestep woudln't have any effect 06:26:20 right 06:26:43 * elliott was referring to Light's implementation of it, which *does* let you sidestep against hellions and the like 06:27:07 wow, what a strange thing 06:27:14 (light implements sidestepping as giving a chance for the enemy to fire at your previous position) 06:27:15 maybe dtsund has been playing too much D&D :) 06:27:30 but that wouldn't make you actually dodge hellfire burst 06:27:58 i forget what you're actually able to dodge 06:28:01 ok, so I wouldn't import Light's implementation, I'd make my own 06:28:03 but i definitely remember dodgindg some hellfire 06:28:19 oh, maybe what happened is I "sidestepped" it, which then made it still hit me because aoe 06:28:23 it was weird anyway 06:28:34 also I think by "I" I mean "simmarine" 06:28:36 that's likely what happened 06:28:53 IMO, sidestep should give an EV boost against missiles and beams, proportional to the angle of your movement and the attack 06:29:09 so best at 90� 06:29:17 I think sidestepping would probably be cool 06:29:23 walking straight to a centaur wouldn't give any boost 06:29:25 zig-zagging to approach centaurs sounds like it could be a pain though 06:29:32 even if it is flavourful 06:29:48 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:30:01 elliott: I already do it, feels better :) 06:30:22 I dunno how well it'd work in crawl, "interesting decisions"-wise, and all 06:30:25 it does *feel* like it should work, yes 06:30:26 <_dd> so hey the tiles thing 06:30:36 it works in doomrl well enough but doomrl does combat differently 06:30:41 really, I think people's expectations are that you and the monster take turns simultaneously 06:30:42 <_dd> is it just my build or is it a bug in the code 06:30:48 monqy: it would give a decision if we also had charge 06:30:50 <_dd> or what 06:30:53 which would mean something like sidestepping would make perfect sense without being done specially 06:30:58 but, that isn't the reality 06:31:07 galehar: sil-style charge? 06:31:12 04:30:41 really, I think people's expectations are that you and the monster take turns simultaneously 06:31:13 ? 06:31:14 really? 06:31:50 monqy: I think so... turning a corner and getting one-shotted by something seems weird, because it "just noticed you", and something like sidestepping intuitively feels like it should work 06:32:04 galehar: I didn't know exactly what you meant by charge (sil has a thing called charge) 06:32:15 there are lots of different ways to do charging 06:32:42 hence the question 06:32:46 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:33:01 -!- Tenaya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:33:28 <_dd> heyyy 06:33:55 <_dd> i mean is anyone else getting problems with the latest trunk tiles build 06:34:01 -!- Sprort has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:34:21 _dd: just tested, I think it's your build 06:34:27 it's fine here 06:34:35 <_dd> ok then i'll just try building it again from scratch 06:34:47 <_dd> maybe it's got some leftover files from earlier builds that aren't playing nice 06:34:59 <_dd> i think the something similar happened to me before 06:35:20 elliott: if you attack after walking 3-5 turns in a straight line, you get a damage bonus 06:35:22 <_dd> has there been any changes in init.txt lately? 06:35:38 so walking up to a centaur, you'd have to decide between sidestep and charge 06:35:43 Anything that makes melee more interesting should be considered (not necessarily used). galehar, how would we explain the sidestep bonus? 06:36:52 dpeg: make it land on the square you were last turn? 06:37:40 * elliott forsees charge-kiting spriggans 06:37:47 it sounds interesting though 06:37:56 charge-kiting? really? 06:38:07 monqy: sure 06:38:30 I hear it's only ineffective in Sil because it takes up a bunch of time (and stuff has a tendency to come through explored corridors to block you off) 06:38:32 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:33 better than reach kiting and spell kiting at lesat 06:38:37 galehar: yes, that's good 06:38:45 ranged kiting, 06:38:46 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:39:29 charge's damage bonus would be based on str, so I don't see charge-kiting as a spriggan to be very efficient 06:40:13 also, kiting an enemy until you get 3 squares of distance takes a long time, it would be very inefficient 06:40:22 only works for str-weighted weapons, then? 06:40:25 charge-kiting ogre with haste and swiftness and fast movement 3 06:40:41 "can't just hit the enemies that's not stupid enough" 06:41:16 elliott: no, it would work with any weapon. Just be more efficient for strong players. 06:41:36 ok 06:41:37 it shouldn't be weapon dependent if it's the counterpart of sidestep 06:43:00 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 06:43:18 So, sidestep is based on dex, charge on str? 06:44:22 yes 06:44:24 galehar: if charge is heavily based on str and sidestep is only useful if you have a decent amount of EV anyway, then it seems like the choices would be diminished 06:44:36 <_dd> how do i force make to recompile the source when it hasn't been updated 06:44:38 ghallberg: yes 06:44:48 (because usually one would be better because you have a lot of str or you have a lot of EV) 06:45:18 not everyone has hugely imbalanced str/dex, though a lot of races do tend to exhibit that 06:45:30 <_dd> i mean when i do a make install i think it just copies the previously compiled files to the directory 06:45:46 _dd: make clean 06:45:55 monqy: well it's not str vs. dex, it's str vs. ev 06:45:59 <_dd> that was it thanks 06:46:29 monqy: so your high str is presumably either from being in heavy armour or using a launcher for which str is effective, unless you raised it solely for charge 06:46:40 and if you're in heavy armour you're likely to have lower EV than otherwise 06:46:49 (earlier on, at least, when you'd want to bother side-stepping every centaur) 06:47:20 well, even if you have high str, you might prefer to sidestep some enemies, especially centaur 06:47:32 since they are much less dangerous in melee 06:47:42 right 06:47:57 so minimizing damage when approaching is more important than taking them down quicky once you've reached them 06:48:20 The goals are two-fold, imo: (1) More choice within species/character improvement. (2) More tactical choices: instead of always ducking behind the corner, perhaps sidestep a ranged attacker (an option for all characters). 06:49:22 Sapher (L17 MuSu) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1143 failed. (Shoals:5) 06:52:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:57:39 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:59:46 -!- ludamad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:01:56 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:17 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:27 Sapher (L17 MuSu) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1143 failed. (Shoals:5) 07:10:39 <_dd> yess now it works 07:10:41 <_dd> thanks galehar 07:11:01 -!- ttghbbgeww has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:11:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:43 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Client Quit] 07:20:01 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:36 you're welcome 07:21:58 turns out ontoclasm hasn't broken crawl tiles *yet* 07:21:59