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clean it when i killed it 03:58:36 Napkin: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 04:08:19 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:10:06 -!- evilmike has quit [] 04:12:19 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:13:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:54 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:26:02 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:59 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30:10 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:32:41 !tell elliptic about the cloud thing, is there a setting or something? Temporary clouds from monster normally don't generate exclusions, even in LOS 04:32:41 galehar: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 04:34:44 galehar: it isn't exclusions, it is that the map 'X' colors squares differently if there is no safe way to get them (either because of a trap or a cloud blocking the way) 04:34:54 s/get them/get to them/ 04:35:36 ah 04:37:54 it's cyan? 04:37:54 yes 04:37:54 ok 04:45:43 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 04:48:03 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:49 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:58:04 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:01 -!- jeek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:06:35 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:46 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 05:10:07 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16:13 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:21:52 -!- Silurio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:34:19 Sapher (L1 MuSu) ASSERT(book_pos > 0 && max_levels >= 0) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 2046 failed. (D:5) 05:44:44 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:59 galehar * 0.12-a0-188-gafe43e2: Fix an information leak with out of LOS clouds in the travel code. (7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/afe43e266528 05:48:59 galehar * 0.12-a0-187-gfa040c2: Safer player pushing in the Abyss. (2 hours ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/fa040c23bc87 05:49:01 galehar [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-58-g539b3d6: Fix an information leak with out of LOS clouds in the travel code. 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(5 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/57969ad54ff2 08:21:16 edlothiol * 0.12-a0-189-g93d47d2: Webtiles: Move some debug variables to window. (5 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/93d47d2c61bf 08:21:24 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:58 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Friends help you move. 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(38 minutes ago, 5 files, 17+ 25-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/00c7eff1ee01 09:58:31 -!- rast_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:45 how would one go about setting up a private console version of crawl? 09:59:05 what do you mean? 09:59:10 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:59:12 -!- rast_ is now known as rast 09:59:25 <|amethyst> wh1te: you mean allowing remote login and multiple players like one of the servers? 09:59:27 like if i wanted to compile crawl on my homebox and be able to ssh in and play from work 09:59:31 yeah like that 09:59:41 <|amethyst> just you, or untrusted users? 09:59:52 <|amethyst> because the easiest is just to run an ssh server, log in, and run crawl :) 10:00:01 untrusted users as well 10:00:09 <|amethyst> I'm working on docs for that 10:00:16 <|amethyst> it's not completely straightforward 10:00:22 <|amethyst> webtiles is in fact easier to set up 10:00:59 yeah i was going to ask about that as well after a quick search 10:01:04 <|amethyst> ("not completely straightforward" as in, it took me a week or so to get set up propery, and I'm an experienced Unix admin) 10:01:07 <|amethyst> ly 10:01:21 i seem to remember something about compling with --with-tiles or something 10:01:44 <|amethyst> make WEBTILES=y 10:02:18 i new it was something like that and i had it saved in my projects folder somewhere 10:02:39 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02:41 <|amethyst> then edit webserver/config.py and run webserver/server.py 10:04:16 -!- virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:05:44 its weird that the ssh version would be more involved 10:05:52 well i guess not now that i think about it 10:06:00 <|amethyst> crawl itself isn't 10:06:08 <|amethyst> it's setting up dgamelaunch and all that 10:06:18 <|amethyst> (and for me part of the complexity was getting the two working together) 10:06:38 <|amethyst> you can start with 10:07:01 <|amethyst> (looking up a URL, moment) 10:08:07 <|amethyst> git://github.com/greensnark/dgamelaunch-config.git and git://git.develz.org/dgamelaunch.git 10:08:34 <|amethyst> it'll probably be at least a few weeks before I can get those docs together, so... 10:08:47 <|amethyst> you might want to at least play around 10:08:56 <|amethyst> it's probably a lot easier if you don't use a chroot as I did 10:08:56 works for me thats how i learn :) 10:10:12 thanks for pointing me in the right direction |amethyst 10:10:27 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:11:05 hopefully you wont mind if i ask you a question from time to time 10:11:31 <|amethyst> not at all, though others might have answers just as often 10:11:43 <|amethyst> I know Grunt has experience with dgamelaunch with another game 10:12:34 ok thanks i knew this was the place to ask 10:13:05 galehar, 00c7eff1 broke non-tiles compilations on account of env.tile_bk_bg only being defined when USE_TILE is present. 10:16:15 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:18:35 -!- Kheldar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:18:53 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:32 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:49 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:25:27 -!- jotwebe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:26:13 -!- eb is now known as ebarrett 10:33:29 Grunt: thanks for pointing it! Fixing 10:33:49 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:27 hmm. I feel like this is an incomplete fix... 10:35:12 galehar * 0.12-a0-192-g9f3a621: Fix console build. (2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/9f3a6218a97f 10:35:16 Let's see... 10:35:49 apply_variations also only exists with USE_TILE. 10:36:23 yeah, I guess 10:37:18 think I'll just have to #ifdef it. Might cause some minor bug with going from console to tiles, no big deal 10:37:55 should the "tell - wait" command be renamed? 10:37:58 to "tell - wander" 10:38:03 because thats what they actually do 10:38:18 it's not really wander, either 10:38:34 Grunt: actually, it's compiling... 10:38:37 it seems like wandering. what is it? 10:38:41 galehar: but it refuses to link. 10:38:48 oh indded 10:39:13 rast: it's wander and attack on sight 10:39:21 the latter is even more important 10:39:34 ta is taken, though 10:39:36 ... the second part should go without saying 10:39:46 ta means attack a specific target 10:39:53 tw wander and attack any target 10:40:05 w - Wait here. 10:40:05 i know. ta sucks and is a shitty newbie trap that i fell into far too long 10:40:09 this is not what they do 10:40:11 I'm thinking of changing orders to: (f)ollow, (F)ollow and attack on sight, (w)ait here, (W)ait and attack on sight 10:40:20 they do not "wait here" 10:40:31 they wander 10:40:40 please call it wander... 10:40:57 I don't like wander, it doesn't make it at all clear that it's what you want to use for battles 10:41:13 or give them a patrolling behaviour so they wander a bit, but stay around the spot you ordered them to wait 10:41:16 isnt it their default behavior? or is it follow? 10:41:17 you would probably want to use F if galehar does what he said hed like to do 10:41:23 default is follow 10:41:46 galehar: id also swap upper and lowercase by the way 10:41:55 it might be nice if allies were better at picking fights so you didn't have to use tw to get them to fight properly when they're following you 10:42:08 generally you want your summons to kill dudes, so why make people press shift for that? 10:42:11 then tw could be made to actually get them to wait here (e.g. because you want to leave to test a scroll that might be immolation, or just don't want them any more) 10:42:23 I don't know how hard this would be to code though 10:42:31 alefury: I'm not sure that's really the best tactic 10:42:48 and default shouldn't be the more reckless 10:43:40 whats the point of having summons not attack? 10:44:06 <|amethyst> having them block 10:44:14 they can block while killing dudes 10:44:16 let the enemy come to you, retreat into known territory 10:44:23 just like you do when fightinh alone 10:44:27 ill just make new summons there? 10:45:22 galehar * 0.12-a0-193-g955b235: Really fix console build. (2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/955b23560d4f 10:45:45 especially if they can't attack monsters out of your sight, you might not whant them to go fight at the edge of your LOS 10:46:06 anyway, have to go 10:46:07 'later 10:46:31 g - Evoke Berserk Rage None 50% 10:46:50 should this mention the food cost of actually going berserk? 10:47:02 i know technically the food cost is from the berserk and not the invocation 10:47:10 *evocation 10:47:25 <|amethyst> there's precedent in the way spell noise is treated 10:47:41 i dont think that precedent is on purpose 10:47:41 <|amethyst> (maximum of the casting noise and the beam/explosion/etc noise) 10:47:46 ah 10:47:54 that is definitely on purpose and sounds good 10:48:20 i thought you meant there was precedent for having it only show the hunger cost of the ability itself 10:48:23 even though technically the casting noise is at your location and the explosion noise is at target location? 10:48:39 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:03 sure, but the max is the relevant information, so it is good that it is shown 10:49:36 fair 10:51:01 -!- AndIrc_ has quit [Quit: -a-] 10:51:19 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53:09 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 10:55:35 Grunt * 0.12-a0-194-g7721009: Tag Zot colour vaults with allow_dup so that &^R keeps the colours. (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/772100903ff9 10:56:11 -!- jss_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:00:16 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 11:02:53 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:08:21 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:14 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 11:16:17 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:00 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:18:17 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:21:10 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:05 -!- Adeon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:23 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:31 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:57 -!- rast_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:52 so is it intended that arena sprint not have ranged weapons and ammo? 11:37:58 beyond what you can start with as a hunter 11:39:06 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:39:20 -!- rast_ is now known as rast 11:40:01 -!- Vidiny has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:28 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:51:38 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:20 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00:38 -!- CannibalFerox has quit [Client Quit] 12:02:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:10:30 -!- _dd has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:12:47 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:37 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 12:17:30 -!- nago has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18:16 I wonder if I can get away with using the spell-casting oklob plants in a very twisted Zot vault design of mine... <_< 12:19:20 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:21:48 -!- erisdiscordia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:02 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:05 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 12:30:32 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:56 ^oh god no 12:33:20 What, will they smite you with acid? 12:33:23 That would be the sort of reaction I'm hoping for. >:P 12:34:08 brb never going to Zot ever ag-crap 12:35:36 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:16 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:47 http://pastebin.com/fxm6iiL4 12:38:54 ...possibly one of the most evil vaults I've ever designed. 12:40:06 (I'm working on some other Zot stair vaults as well, but I don't think they're quite as evil as that one is.) 12:42:15 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:44:13 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:18 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:04 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: scrammin' to class] 12:48:40 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:06 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:00:55 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:37 Overview should not give clues to branches that you "know" won't appear (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6109) by raskol 13:10:50 -!- link_108_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:44 -!- link_108 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:12:46 -!- link_108_ is now known as link_108 13:13:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:56 -!- link_108 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:40 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:21 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:18:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:19:18 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:17 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:37:21 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 13:40:26 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:50:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:44 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:09 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:21 -!- freefall has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 13:59:44 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:23 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:06:34 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:07:41 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:05 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:10:14 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: link_108] 14:14:10 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:35 -!- Plasmo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:35 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:00 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:25 -!- wjchen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:25 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:25 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:50 -!- truffant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:50 -!- StekarDraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:27 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:37 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 14:25:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:40 -!- aleksil has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:29:03 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:04 The 0.11 reddit comments are mostly depressing. 14:34:04 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:34:13 !messages 14:34:14 (1/1) |amethyst said (15h 2m 58s ago): re the spider thing, rather than making uniques unspiderifiable, what about simply not preserving their names? Without "You mate with Sigmund" etc I don't think the controversy would be there 14:34:29 |amethyst: yes, that's another solution! 14:35:36 I also pointed out that with spiders, it's the female who's eating the male after mating (if at all), and almost all uniques are male. But it didn't really click. 14:35:42 dpeg: what kind of badreddit is 0.11 generating? 14:35:51 -!- absolutego is now known as absolutego_ 14:37:36 back in a bit, with quotes :) 14:37:38 food now 14:37:52 * Grunt hands dpeg the fabled Pandemonium Pizza. 14:38:09 Grunt: so far, detect curse removal complaints, it appears :p 14:38:59 I know not everybody is going to always look things up but the thread being full of mostly questions for detail gives me a headache 14:40:25 -!- anubiscrapfoobis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:40:42 -!- Plasmo_ is now known as Plasmo 14:43:26 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 4.0b12pre/20110203165105]] 14:46:27 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:47:42 well looking up commits is not the most obvious thing 14:48:40 -!- KaminaSquirtle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:52:40 -!- VideoGames has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:54:15 at least ionfrigate's talk of "solving nonexistent problems" is consistent with his previous statement that crawl development should just stop 15:04:33 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:46 elliptic: crawl development ruined GhEE, apparently 15:07:53 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:08:29 wait what 15:08:38 ...mate with? spiderify? what 15:08:44 GhEE is one of my favorite combos! how could they? 15:09:10 "But as the recent removal of Fulsome Distillation and Evaporate shows, the developers have zero idea of how to make DCSS anything but a challenge for themselves. Oh well." 15:09:32 elliptic: http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/yiaf9/how_far_do_you_get_in_an_average_crawl/c5wrtwi, apparently ghee is just ghmo now 15:09:46 this is very silly, oh well 15:09:54 wow 15:10:16 somehow my assessment of ionfrigate's craziness managed to go up another notch 15:11:36 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:39 Eronarn: spider god proposal thing 15:13:07 spider god, spider god, does whatever a spider god does 15:13:40 also can we get an ichneumon wasp god 15:16:15 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:16:18 ohhh yes 15:16:19 spider god 15:16:53 -!- absolutego_ is now known as absolutego 15:17:05 -!- urthmover has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:17:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 15:19:39 also apparently difficulty is "frontloaded in such a way that you have to play *Be or DE-caster in order to not have to repeatedly play the first few floors." 15:19:48 i guess this explains why that's all anybody ever streaks 15:20:26 i don't know about this guy but DE is pretty squishy early on in my experience? 15:21:16 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:32:47 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:57 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:54 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:41:14 -!- Saint-Wacko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:57 -!- nelq has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:46:17 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:31 is this reddit thing really recommended for sane people? 15:51:09 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:51:16 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:51:22 i read r/roguelikes somewhat often, but i dont post there much 15:51:43 i read it and/or comment when there are sane things to talk about 15:51:47 most of the stuff there is good, but its a fairly small group of people, and one of the most frequent posters there is insane (and I mean really insane, not just an internet troll) 15:52:57 who is that? 15:52:57 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:30 -!- Saint-Wacko has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53:36 a post of his was linked here about an hour ago 15:53:45 %git cb141000 15:53:45 kilobyte * 0.11-a0-2067-gcb14100: Remove vampires from Volcanoes. (3 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/cb1410003310 15:53:57 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des#l339 15:55:10 The arena fails to generate specific encounter (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6110) by crimsonhunter 15:55:18 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:55:45 is reddit the new usenet with a web interface? 15:55:48 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:53 galehar: I think overall that reddit community is pretty good. most places on the internet I've seen where crawl is discussed, you get a mix of positive and negative comments. The tavern and ##crawl are unusual in that they're mostly positive, I think becasue there's a bit of an echo chamber effect going on 15:56:18 ##crawl is positive? 15:56:18 galehar: well, usenet still exists. But people use reddit for a lot of the same things nowadays 15:57:34 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:58:25 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:48 I should also say, if you actually plan on visiting that website, do not visit the front page. Unsubscribe to everything, and then selectively choose small areas that interest you. Otherwise it's a cesspool 15:59:49 the default subreddits are pretty awful 16:00:19 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:00:40 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:01:07 "At least to the players of /r/roguelikes, the DCSS dev team has been making unpopular decisions that either favor advanced players, decrease the fun of playing, or are generally out of line with what this playing community would like in the game." 16:01:38 truereddit is pretty nice, truegaming works too, rpg, fantasy, scifi, technology 16:02:07 yea, definitely have to select what subreddits you want to subscribe to or else its crap 16:02:35 I also have som subs I dont' subscribe to but just visit when I feel get the urge :D 16:02:46 (no not pr0n) 16:02:54 ahaha just what I was thinking xD 16:03:59 now Im curious ghallberg, what subs do you not subscribe to, but visit sometimes? 16:04:24 /r/doctorwho, /r/asoiaf, /r/magictcg, /r/roguelikes 16:04:30 off the top of my head 16:05:18 ohhh thats a good idea, I should probably take magictcg off my subscription list and just visit it when I want, haven't been going there much 16:05:25 I dont want to see every "look at my silly picture thread" but sometimes I want to see if somethign worthwhile popped up. 16:05:41 Yeah, it's not very interesting most of the time... 16:05:44 yea, exactly 16:05:55 I guess I'm too much of a Spike to appreiate all the bad decks... 16:06:06 /r/spikemtg coudl be interesting thuogh. 16:07:33 gonna check that out when I get home 16:08:59 I'm not sure about the name, but you should be able to find the link on magictcg 16:09:05 been wanting to get back into mtg but none of my friends here play 16:09:25 I haven't played much lately either... 16:09:29 back -- took a bit longer 16:09:50 link_108: Maybe we could play a game or two on cockatrie som day? 16:10:24 oh hey dpeg, I read your spider god proposal and took some notes, just have to read the rest of the thread to see if my points have been brought up already! I'll post on the thread probably later tonight 16:10:37 whats cockatrie? (googling now) 16:10:53 Uhm, did the ssh-key for cdo change? 16:10:56 i imagine he meant cockatrice 16:11:09 which is one of many mtg game programs 16:11:17 Yeah 16:11:23 -!- spatiation has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:29 ah yea, that looks sick! I'm down haha 16:11:52 Another day though. I'm gonna start a game of crawl before I go to sleep. 16:12:00 Zannick: You play too? 16:12:12 link_108: great, many thanks 16:12:32 i haven't played online in a long time 16:12:39 ghallberg: most definitely! 16:13:13 dpeg: no problem, I really like how it looks so far, have some questions/ideas :) 16:13:17 So I see you already covered reddit in detail, no need for further quotes, although you missed "Good old devs. (Not) fixing (nonexistent) problems in the game." 16:13:35 :P 16:13:41 i've seen worse 16:13:56 in r/roguelike's defense, he's basically the only person there who posts like that 16:14:14 This sounds as if devs have been contemplating ?DC-- for weeks on end. "Hm, guys, should we or should we not." "Not so hasty, let's discuss!"... 16:14:23 evilmike: true! 16:15:33 dpeg: i was going to quote that but it felt too easy :P 16:15:55 -!- rast_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:00 dungeon crawl stone soup: (not) fixing (nonexistent) problems since 2006 16:16:06 elliott: yes! 16:17:55 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19:16 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:19:31 -!- rast_ is now known as rast 16:20:55 this reminds me that 0.11 needs a name or two 16:21:12 though I guess the custom is to only decide on them the day of release :P 16:22:26 Not always: we had Heizölrückstoßabdämpfung way in advance. Talk about good planning back in the old days =) 16:23:21 good old days 16:24:13 dpeg: What does that mean? My german is a bit rusty :D 16:24:14 Of course, we had competent release name suggesters back then, even from Switzerland 16:24:35 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:24:48 ghallberg: That's the wrong question. The correct observation is "all letters are different" and "look, full set of umlauts" 16:25:17 It's missing rings. I'm not impressed. 16:25:40 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:25:57 ghallberg: Try to find a better word in your own, archaic language. 16:26:29 according to google translate, it means "Heizölrückstoßabdämpfung" 16:26:53 you probably had the wrong language selected 16:27:03 into what language did you want to translate it? 16:27:06 "The longest German isogram is "Heizölrückstoßabdämpfung" (heating oil recoil dampening) with 24 letters," 16:27:18 "Äfördämning" shows of all our silly characters I guess. 16:27:36 where's the ß? 16:27:40 We're not as cool as you. 16:27:50 Even CßO has an ß. 16:27:59 Also we aren't as lazy, writing two s's ina row isn't that hard. 16:28:17 (And the Swiss sold their ß a long time ago, to the gods of neoliberal capitalism.) 16:28:37 fr: heating oil recoil dampeners 16:28:41 -!- Saint_Wacko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:49 actually it was sacrifized so switzerland could stay out of the war 16:30:18 I'd fight to the death for my ß. 16:30:36 now you can fight for the capital ß 16:31:06 clearly we need monsters with the glyph ß 16:32:22 BRogue has them, iirc. 16:32:34 sentinels! 16:32:40 yeah 16:33:13 they're not really monsters in the conventional sense, but yes 16:33:22 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:33:29 also µ 16:33:48 the unicorn glyph is amazing, yes 16:34:13 it's U with an accent, not µ, no? 16:34:20 municorn 16:34:37 dtsund: like ßentinel? 16:35:39 davejl (L6 DDHu) ASSERT(book_pos > 0 && max_levels >= 0) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 2050 failed. (D:4) 16:35:58 I should note that to most native English speakers, ß will just look like a funny B 16:36:12 i mean, also µ should be a crawl monster glyph 16:36:37 In point of fact, I never made that connection until you mentioned it 16:38:05 the nice thing about ß is you can get people who are unfamilliar with german to try to pronounce words with it... 16:38:26 and they pronounce it wrong? :P 16:38:34 yeah, they think it's a B 16:38:50 evilmike: What character is that? It's not rendering properly in my client 16:39:12 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 16:39:15 Is it ß again? 16:39:18 yeah 16:39:32 Weird; it came through properly when dpeg used it. 16:39:47 Only proper ß from here! 16:39:57 Zannick: ugly things should get µ instead of u, looks more mutated. 16:40:03 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:40:16 ß 16:40:17 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:27 all of this is possible with unicode, isn't it? 16:40:27 maybe evilmike is using a non-utf-8 encoding 16:40:45 Actually, idea: non-uniques get ASCII characters, uniques are always extended unicode 16:41:16 (Assuming there is support for unicode in the environment) 16:41:17 By the way, that raises an old concern of mine: would it be possible to have premade, fancy console sets? So that as a player, I just have to enable them, instead of cumbersomely adding them manually... 16:41:29 FR: importing/exporting of games to online. without tracking it on leaderboard etc. 16:41:43 dtsund: nice. There's also the idea to use various umlauts to convey information. 16:41:57 ghallberg: I think the save files are OS and architecture specific, IIRC 16:44:34 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:44 jpeg just wrote a long email on the spider god. Wow. 16:45:05 -!- Orionstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:27 are you implying she could have written a short email? i don't think she's able to do that 16:47:38 bhaak: That's a very good point. My "wow" is about her writing on the spider god. (We discussed it last week at the kitchen table, and she seems have thought about it all week.) 16:49:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49:37 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:49:53 dpeg: you make people think. you will be hated and loved! 16:49:59 * bhaak is in fortune cookie mode 16:50:04 -!- Jaxy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:01 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:05 * dpeg prefers: You make people stink. You will be hated and loved! 16:55:51 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:29 They say that 'Elbereth' is often written about. 16:58:14 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:37 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:41 |amethyst, what login / access would be necessary to access save game backups? 17:03:00 <|amethyst> Grunt: your CSZO login and password 17:03:12 <|amethyst> user name is case-sensitive 17:03:12 ...that doesn't seem to be working :b 17:03:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:29 -!- Saint-Wacko has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:04:45 <|amethyst> hrm, you're right 17:08:19 -!- kral is now known as Guest52248 17:08:41 -!- Guest52248 has quit [Client Quit] 17:10:24 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:10:55 -!- RushingJaws has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:10:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:28 <|amethyst> Grunt: okay, should work now 17:12:50 Yup! 17:13:11 <|amethyst> Grunt: When I added the RewriteRule for ttyrec -> ttyrec.bz2 I managed to delete the RewriteCond that collected the HTTP:Authorization header to pass to the CGI 17:15:05 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:20 Hi 17:15:42 <|amethyst> hello 17:16:55 I'm looking for some help getting stack trace to work on windows. 17:17:05 MinGw 17:17:24 There are some settings in the makefile, but I don't know how to use them. 17:17:53 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/source/Makefile line:339 17:19:12 I'm not sure where to define NO_RDYNAMIC. 17:19:13 Dragongem (L9 HEFE) ASSERT(book_pos > 0 && max_levels >= 0) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 2046 failed. (D:8) 17:19:19 <|amethyst> LexAckson: you'll also need to compile with -DBACKTRACE_SUPPORTED (or #define it in config.h) 17:19:37 <|amethyst> NO_RDYNAMIC is already being set 17:19:43 <|amethyst> line 207 17:19:44 okay 17:20:07 <|amethyst> I have no idea about how to actually get stack traces working on Windows though 17:20:26 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:40 Well, I'll try adding -DBACKTRACE_SUPPORTED. 17:21:18 <|amethyst> I doubt just enabling it will be enough, of course 17:21:38 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:41 <|amethyst> you need the dynamic stuff in particular 17:21:53 <|amethyst> backtrace_symbols = nasty_cast(dlsym(RTLD_DEFAUL 17:21:54 <|amethyst> T, "backtrace_symbols")); 17:22:10 <|amethyst> oh, wait, that's OS X 17:22:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:22:35 <|amethyst> ah, it uses backtrace() and backtrace_symbols() from glibc 17:23:18 <|amethyst> I doubt mingw provides those 17:23:23 <|amethyst> this might be useful: http://code.google.com/p/backtrace-mingw/ 17:23:54 nasty_cast :) 17:24:22 Thanks. 17:24:24 <|amethyst> when reinterpret_cast<> isn't nasty enough :) 17:24:30 <|amethyst> (it uses a union) 17:24:37 mmm 17:24:44 at least it's not UB (iirc) 17:24:51 <|amethyst> UB? 17:24:53 (as opposed to casting a pointer, which is) 17:24:54 undefined behaviour 17:25:10 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:13 "forbidden" but it's more pedantic sounding 17:25:19 <|amethyst> err 17:25:30 <|amethyst> I'm pretty sure that use is UB 17:25:39 <|amethyst> backtrace_symbols_t is a function pointer type 17:25:51 ah, hmm 17:25:55 <|amethyst> pretty sure you can't make any assumptions about convertibility between those and void* 17:25:56 I just meant the union strategy in general 17:26:21 <|amethyst> when you take something out and use it as a pointer, that's where the problem arises 17:26:35 <|amethyst> since no one guarantees function and data pointers are even the same size 17:27:15 <|amethyst> (rather, C and AFAIK C++ do not) 17:27:29 <|amethyst> (I guess *someone* probably does :) 17:28:50 |amethyst: POSIX does IIRC 17:28:57 because you have dlsym 17:29:40 <|amethyst> yeah but 17:29:44 <|amethyst> *(void **)(&fptr) = dlsym(handle, "my_function"); 17:30:31 I don't think that's allowed in C 17:30:35 <|amethyst> (that's the example for dlsym in POSIX) 17:30:47 right, IIRC POSIX specifically alows function<->data ptr conversion 17:30:50 to make dlsym useful 17:30:53 *allows 17:30:57 <|amethyst> right, but they don't just cast the void* to a function pointer because that's disallowed 17:31:03 C doesn't even guarantee a pointer to a char and to an int are of the same size 17:31:36 |amethyst: hrm 17:31:39 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:31:41 I should look at the rules in more detail sometime 17:31:51 so I can better criticise people's code on IRC! 17:32:02 <|amethyst> instead they take a pointer-to-a-function-pointer, turn it to a pointer-to-a-void-pointer, dereference there, and store the void * there 17:32:18 * elliott is still not quite sure that's valid in plain C 17:32:20 there's an old architecture, for example, where a pointer to int, when cast as int, returns a value four times smaller than a pointer to char at the same address would return 17:32:22 <|amethyst> which assumes the pointers are the same size, but doesn't directly cast between object and function pointers 17:32:30 right 17:32:41 (obviously, unaligned accesses are pretty much impossible :p) 17:32:48 <|amethyst> moment, let me find the rationale 17:33:13 kilobyte: fractional addresses 17:33:15 forgot what arch it is, something badly obsolete, IIRC with 9 bit chars, 36 bit ints 17:33:42 <|amethyst> elliott: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/dlsym.html#tag_16_96_08 17:33:50 <|amethyst> kilobyte: sounds like PDP-10 and pals 17:33:52 kilobyte: PDP 17:33:54 presumably 17:33:56 or Cray 17:34:08 I don't know of a single example of an arch with code pointers of different size than data ones, though 17:34:16 aren't char points smaller than int pointers? 17:34:18 <|amethyst> cray was 32-bit at the time 17:34:29 <|amethyst> link_108: would have to be bigger 17:34:44 link_108: on modern architectures all pointers are the same size 17:34:53 <|amethyst> link_108: because you have to address the word and *also* the byte within the word 17:34:59 <|amethyst> link_108: (bigger if they're not the same0 17:35:11 -!- _159 has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:13 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: ugh i hate girls] 17:35:18 <|amethyst> link_108: just like identifying an apartment takes more characters than identifying an apartment building 17:35:32 in fact 17:35:37 yea I see that, thanks |amethyst 17:35:40 it seems that gcc accepts reinterpret_cast where nasty_cast is used there 17:35:42 as an extension 17:35:57 see last comment on http://trac.osgeo.org/qgis/ticket/234 17:36:11 yes, I too need to review some C :P 17:36:14 probably a union-based cast is better for "portability" though 17:36:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I guess I could see a high-level C runtime (why? I dunno) that stores function pointers as thunks 17:36:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: maybe implemented on top of some VM or something 17:37:13 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:37:17 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 17:37:50 this assumption might seem badly obsolete and a hindrance, but it _does_ have its benefits. If the compiler knows that pointers to ints can't be assigned to pointers to chars, it doesn't need to re-fetch them from memory (in case they point to the same place in memory). 17:37:58 there is lots of weird hardware that does pointers in dways you would never dream of 17:38:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: also, theoretically a CISC architecture could raise a trap when you load an invalid pointer into a register specialised for code 17:38:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte: IIRC there was something similar with segment registers in m68k 17:39:11 <|amethyst> kilobyte: C++ never got the enhanced aliasing stuff from C99 did it? ("restrict" etc) 17:39:35 * kilobyte never did assembly on anything non-*86. 17:39:56 IIRC it never did, at least g++ complains about restrict. 17:39:57 <|amethyst> I never did m68k, just x86 and a tiny bit of MIPS (I wrote a multiplier for a class) 17:41:01 <|amethyst> yeah, haven't seen anything about it in C++11 17:41:27 <|amethyst> haven't read through the standard though 17:43:36 I think I'd be better off buying a new hard drive and setting up a linux partition. 17:43:45 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:44:00 use a vm? 17:44:41 No, I need more hard drive space... heh. 17:44:59 haha kill two birds with one stone :) 17:45:12 LexAckson: you can get a linux vm in like 100-200 megs if you download one of the lightweight livecds 17:45:24 gcc rejects restrict in c89 mode, accepts in c99, rejects in all of C++ including c++11 17:45:53 <|amethyst> LexAckson: is gdb available for msys/mingw/whatever you use? 17:45:59 elliott: use busybox :p 17:46:15 Let me see. 17:46:18 -!- djoor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:46:35 <|amethyst> LexAckson: wouldn't help with getting a trace into morgue files, but that will give you much better backtraces anyway 17:47:02 <|amethyst> since backtrace() doesn't include the names of static functions, doesn't give you variables, etc 17:47:07 heck, with all the bloat these days, we have a full POSIXy environment right in the kernel just to boot 17:47:16 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:40 <|amethyst> LexAckson: (also, IMO a VM is much easier to set up than a separate partition) 17:47:49 |amethyst: is there backtrace() at all on Windows? 17:47:51 Looks like I can use gdb. 17:48:21 LexAckson: yea, I agree with amethyst, if you really want another hdd, get one, but I'd go with a VM still :) 17:48:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte: not built into mingw but apparently there's http://code.google.com/p/backtrace-mingw/ 17:48:34 (at least I did a 1/8-hearted attempt to get backtraces some time ago) 17:48:59 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:49:02 <|amethyst> maybe we could add an option to hang if there's a crash 17:49:07 <|amethyst> that way you can attach a debugger 17:49:36 <|amethyst> or even to launch gdb -p getpid() 17:50:07 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:07 <|amethyst> I guess if you've had a crash that's not the time to start trying to fork() etc 17:50:40 fork() and Windows? 17:50:41 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:50:47 <|amethyst> however it works there 17:50:57 <|amethyst> I haven't done Windows programming since win16 17:51:16 <|amethyst> and even then I was doing more DOS than Windows 17:51:26 it's emulated in cygwin, but not in mingw (unless something changed since last time I looked) 17:52:09 4.1 had code to attach to the Windows debugger 17:52:19 clearly should import it 17:52:21 (it used inline assembly and had comments about Windows 95) 17:53:06 heh, thats some old code 17:53:45 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:17 ? 17:55:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:55:32 ? 17:55:40 ! 17:56:12 <|amethyst> ‽ # The Hegelian synthesis 17:57:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:42 ¡¿ 17:58:06 <|amethyst> I don't think there's a turned interrobang, so you win :) 17:58:06 :? 17:58:21 ⸘ 17:58:27 <|amethyst> oh, I was wrong 17:58:33 U+2E18 GNABORRETNI 17:58:38 (unfortunately it's not actually called that) 17:58:55 although it has a listing in the index under that, apparently? 17:59:10 <|amethyst> those wacky standards editors 17:59:14 gnaborretni sounds like a good name for something 17:59:29 The gnaborretni hits! The gnaborretni drains you! 17:59:48 <|amethyst> give it the ⸘ glyph 18:00:13 Wait! That upside-down potion-scroll is actually a gnaborretni! 18:01:30 i will personally design gnaborretni (it is its own plural) if there is the slightest chance of them getting in the game 18:02:14 <|amethyst> singular should be gnaborretnus :P 18:02:40 gnuborretni is the free software variant :3 18:02:56 <|amethyst> or gnaborretni/gnaborretn like djinni/djinn 18:06:40 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10:47 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:52 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:08 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:26:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:28 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:28:46 -!- mivue has quit [*.net *.split] 18:28:46 -!- Nightbeer has quit [*.net *.split] 18:28:46 -!- fooobaar has quit [*.net *.split] 18:28:46 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [*.net *.split] 18:28:46 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 18:32:31 -!- Bluemillion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:32:41 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:47 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:33:58 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:06 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 18:34:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:37:18 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:46:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:33 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:17 -!- Osteoclave has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:52:36 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:40 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:07:09 -!- RollieTG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:07:41 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:15:39 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: link_108] 19:19:37 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:12 -!- Plasmo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:24:39 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:26:41 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:31:22 -!- Escalator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:51 Snakes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6111) by ontoclasm 19:39:54 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:41:48 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:44:28 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45:39 -!- Gastrox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:48:34 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:49:27 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 19:53:51 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:15 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:01:30 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:07:37 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 20:08:38 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:09:23 New Entry Vault (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6112) by Lightli 20:09:40 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:09:55 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:16:10 -!- RushingJaws has quit [] 20:16:19 -!- fooobaar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 20:23:22 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 20:24:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:59 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 20:39:40 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:04 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:41:27 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:31 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 20:53:01 -!- fooobaar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:26 -!- RushingJaws has quit [] 21:06:53 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:07 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 21:19:02 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:21:24 Anyone here have the ##crawl log for MD removal? 21:21:32 I just want to see the fireworks. 21:24:20 -!- fooobaar has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:25:58 I don't, but I'd be interested in seeing them as well lol 21:26:47 very hard to use the dates on the blog combined with the public logs 21:27:47 well it's not publicly logged 21:27:53 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:27:57 Shame 21:28:03 with the not-very-secret-logs 21:28:14 probably someone has it logged if you really care that much 21:28:28 I just want to see the reactions 21:28:29 i imagine i do but i'm sure not bothering to trawl through them 21:28:45 there wasnt much fuss in ##crawl i think 21:28:48 ...oh, bah, ##crawl and not ##crawl-dev 21:28:51 Really? 21:29:06 The removal of MD didn't cause much of a fuss? 21:29:07 not immediately at least 21:29:14 ##crawl logs are not particularly interesting 21:29:18 there was a bit of complaining over the next few days 21:29:23 but not as much as you would think 21:29:24 oh 21:29:51 What about katana removal? 21:30:06 it was mostly communities further removed from crawl development that complained a lot 21:30:10 imagine some mundane uninteresting complaints about topic 21:30:14 and you're done 21:30:16 for all x 21:30:17 oh. 21:30:38 Apparently ##crawl just is too passive to complain much 21:30:47 yeah, the ##crawl mentality is fairly well summarized by "deal with it and move on" 21:31:39 many of the people in ##crawl are close enough to development to actually listen to and understand the motivations behind changes 21:31:48 To be fair, there probably would be complaints if we did something big like remove Okawaru. 21:31:56 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:09 removing oka would be fairly easy to justify 21:32:43 Yeah, he's a god that literally ceases to matter after a point. He's the meph cloud of gods. 21:33:02 uninteresting default god, lets kill it with fire, justification done 21:33:11 that too 21:33:34 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:44 theres just no reason to remove oka, and i think thats the only reason oka is still around 21:33:54 the human of gods, plain and flavorless 21:34:23 this got a bit better with recent changes, but the flavor is still really bland 21:34:25 the gifts may be as probelmatic as such gifts are and the conducts are mostly ignorable but the piety gain and abilities are at least distinct 21:34:39 True. 21:34:40 that, yes 21:34:48 God gifts are ungodly overpowered at times 21:34:59 Or ungodly UNDERPOWERED. 21:35:44 good night 21:35:48 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:36:01 -5 cloak! -5 animal skin! -3 wizard hat! +23 CPA with Dam+6! 21:37:37 Lightli: did you actually get that CPA? :| 21:37:45 No, of course not 21:37:56 Best Oka ever did was +9 PDA with rElec and MR. 21:38:06 And rF+. 21:38:37 I think I've found more CPA lying around on the ground than he has gifted me. 21:39:43 Doesn't help that armor gifts have a hefty piety timeout 21:40:03 And that Oka isn't as strong as Trog. 21:42:19 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:47 people have actually gotten CPA with enchantments that high 21:43:34 a while back there was one that caused a failed assertion (the game was wrongly assuming that it was impossible to have an armour that good) 21:43:49 o_O 21:44:12 <|amethyst> yes, the RNG can make a rock so heavy it can't lift it 21:47:38 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:59 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:57:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:59:47 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:29 -!- Twinge has quit [] 22:04:49 -!- Turgor has quit [] 22:14:10 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:43 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:19:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 22:19:25 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: nitey-nite time] 22:23:10 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:18 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:05 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:30:00 -!- MrPeeps has quit [Client Quit] 22:30:16 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:50 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:48 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 22:50:48 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:27 -!- Rewans has quit [] 22:55:33 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:03 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:43 -!- Fear has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:39 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:05:11 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 23:09:45 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 23:11:49 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:58 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:13:15 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:13:39 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:37 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:22:51 -!- morduin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:11 -!- DemusSpark has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:29:59 -!- ho has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:38 -!- Araganzar has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:03 heyaz, anyone able to reset CSZO? have a locked game 23:31:15 crashed to menu, game is still there, I can only spectate it 23:32:11 |amethyst: pong 23:33:46 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:40:19 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:24 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:37 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:08 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:23 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:38 -!- KKCryptic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:56:52 -!- daftfad has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:57:54 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection]