00:02:13 -!- Lightli has quit [] 00:06:40 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-b1-47-ge7ee954 00:09:39 -!- Codrus has quit [Quit: o/] 00:10:16 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:52 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-213-g51090ee (34) 00:13:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:04 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:30 -!- RollieTG has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 00:19:42 -!- MPR has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:27:05 -!- MattyDub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:27:33 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: g'night!] 00:28:53 -!- erisdiscordia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:30:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:37:20 people that want will get it, |amethyst - but i'm not in the mood of creating all accounts at once manually, when it's not going to be used anyways ;) 00:37:20 Napkin: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:45:09 |amethyst: any idea who added the additional branches in Mantis? like "0.12 development version"? 00:45:43 Branches in Mantis need to be tagged "released", otherwise they are not selectable as Product Branch 00:47:11 also, the config option "default_fixed_in_version" needs to be set to precisely the right name of a branch, otherwise it won't be the default value for "Fixed in Version" 00:47:31 <|amethyst> Napkin: no clue 00:49:37 would you like a Mantis account, |amethyst? 00:49:41 *wordpress 00:53:47 -!- morduin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:55 <|amethyst> Napkin: sure :) 00:58:56 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:59:29 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:04:02 -!- where_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:05:49 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:52 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:06:06 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 01:06:53 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:30 -!- ussdefiant__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:08:04 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12:26 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:14:13 -!- ontoclasm2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:15:58 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:33 -!- scwizard has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:21:43 -!- Tenaya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:53 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:28:29 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:45 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:33:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:52 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 01:39:13 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:55 -!- TastyLemonDrops has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Client Quit] 01:41:22 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 01:44:47 -!- indspenceable has quit [Client Quit] 01:47:19 <|amethyst> okay, I made an announcement about CSZO 01:47:36 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 01:47:51 <|amethyst> (I know MarvinPA already included one in the CAO downtime post) 01:57:17 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:31 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:39 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:01:25 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 02:03:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 02:04:37 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04:46 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:15 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:37 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:08:33 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:18:47 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:19 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:29:58 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:07 galehar * 0.12-a0-149-g8354263: Fix auto_sacrifice getting stuck in silence (#6097). (5 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/835426392a1a 02:58:01 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:03:28 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:03:43 -!- st_ has quit [] 03:03:48 <|amethyst> galehar: I think a corpse on an altar could have similar problems? 03:04:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:06:19 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:13 <|amethyst> Napkin: any news on the heat issue, btw? 03:08:14 -!- ZC|Mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:08:48 |amethyst: indeed. It's even worse, you get completely stuck. Unless it's an altar to your god. 03:12:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:13:41 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:34 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:30 -!- Gastrox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:22:32 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:24:35 -!- darksquall has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:25:54 -!- Lasse- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:30:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:31:14 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 03:33:10 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:35:31 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:36:04 -!- ontoclasm2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:13 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:44:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:46:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:55:27 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56:20 galehar * 0.12-a0-151-g2b7855a: Fix auto_sacrifice getting stuck trying to sacrifice over an altar. (4 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/2b7855ad215c 03:56:20 galehar * 0.12-a0-150-g088bd30: Fix shift-click for butchering (#6096) (33 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/088bd308f61d 03:56:20 galehar [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-48-gd96764c: Fix shift-click for butchering (#6096) (33 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/d96764c61cab 03:57:46 <|amethyst> galehar: probably it would make sense to have auto_sacrifice in 0.11 03:58:02 <|amethyst> though I guess it would be good to make sure it won't infinite loop first :) 03:59:51 yeah, could be nice, although I'm a bit worried about a new feature so close to release... 04:00:07 it's off by default, but will probably be quite popular 04:00:45 <|amethyst> I was considering it part of the fix to the previous behaviour :) 04:01:03 <|amethyst> but your call 04:01:38 <|amethyst> the loops could be an issue without those fixes being backported 04:01:56 <|amethyst> in 0.11 I mean; it's not an infinite loop, but rather a "you can't use o until you deal with this" situation 04:02:03 you mean with sacrifice_before_explore? Probably yes 04:02:34 -!- casmith_789 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:35 <|amethyst> though I haven't tested that in latest 0.11 04:02:58 Maybe it would be better to merge the 2 into an option with 4 values 04:03:45 could be auto_sacrifice: yes/once/prompt/no 04:04:07 the values aren't very explicit, but it's simple 04:04:10 <|amethyst> well 04:04:20 <|amethyst> I could see wanting to prompt but not st 04:04:24 <|amethyst> not stop 04:05:25 isn't the once behaviour (sacrifice before explore) better than a prompt? 04:05:43 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:05:56 <|amethyst> galehar: that doesn't give you a way to keep exploring without sacrificing, does it? 04:06:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:06:48 hmm right 04:09:35 so maybe both options should have 3 values (yes/prompt/no) instead 04:10:05 it's a bit complicated, and some combination might not make much sense 04:10:35 <|amethyst> how about auto / prompt / stop / no 04:10:54 <|amethyst> err 04:12:13 <|amethyst> auto / prompt-continue / prompt / stop / no seems like it could work, then you could get perhaps get rid of greedy_sacrificiable too? 04:12:34 <|amethyst> "prompt-continue" is a horrible name though 04:12:46 that's why I'm not too eager to include it in 0.11. Let's test it a bit and figure out what are the use-case that make sense. 04:12:57 <|amethyst> yeah, good point 04:13:44 <|amethyst> Probably the parts of those fixes that aren't dependent on auto-sac should be backported though 04:13:50 sacrificiable isn't even a real word, but I couldn't find anything better :/ 04:14:03 <|amethyst> sacrificable or sacrificeable 04:15:12 damn, should have looked it up 04:15:56 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:16:12 <|amethyst> the former is the older word, but the latter seems more common on the web; they're pronounced differently, too 04:16:37 <|amethyst> well, I guess probably some people pronounce "sacrificable" as "sacrifice-able" 04:17:16 <|amethyst> probably makes sense to have all three as aliases 04:17:18 the former is more common on the web (more google hits) 04:17:30 <|amethyst> oh, maybe I was misremembering 04:18:04 <|amethyst> galehar: I get 15700 vs 64400 04:18:49 <|amethyst> but a spelling suggestion sacrificeable -> sacrificable 04:18:56 oh, that must be because I'm using google.fr 04:19:49 <|amethyst> anyway, I'd better be going, it's almost time to wake up :/ 04:20:08 <|amethyst> later 04:21:37 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:22:14 <|amethyst> galehar: oh, just thought of a simpler fix 04:22:15 <|amethyst> galehar: if the item still exists after pray(), mark it as dropped 04:23:25 <|amethyst> I guess you'd probably want to not even try sacrificing on an altar though 04:23:54 <|amethyst> since IIRC that takes a turn even if you decline to worship 04:24:29 better not to attempt an action if we know it will fail 04:24:35 -!- Impy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:26:53 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:29:12 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:35:09 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:36:04 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:19 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:26 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:45 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:50:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 04:58:04 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:58:28 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:02 -!- CaptainPickles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:02:38 no change, |amethyst - still so hot 05:02:58 galehar * 0.12-a0-152-g837da21: s/sacrificiable/sacrificeable/ (29 minutes ago, 10 files, 41+ 37-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/837da21fdcb7 05:02:58 galehar [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-50-gb47a9b3: s/sacrificiable/sacrificeable/ (29 minutes ago, 9 files, 39+ 35-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/b47a9b3e379d 05:02:58 galehar [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-49-g8471b39: Fix sacrifice_before_explore getting stuck trying to sacrifice over an altar. (71 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 3-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/8471b39a9a6c 05:03:01 and hetzner telling me there is no heat problem is ridiculous 05:03:19 granted, they opened the server and separated the harddisks physically - that gave 3-6C - still too much though 05:03:23 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:03:42 as a comparison: the new server i ordered recently has nice 30C discs instead of 55C 05:05:24 maybe your new server has SSD :) 05:05:50 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:07:04 Napkin: is it the outside temperatur, or a technical problem on top of that? Also, hi! 05:09:32 outside temperature, i believe 05:09:49 there is almost no activity on those discs 05:10:05 in the morning it was 47C, now it's 53C 05:10:40 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:10:59 oh, so CDO could down for a while 05:11:13 note to self: tournaments to take place only in winter 05:12:19 hehe 05:12:36 I may have time to work on the new server starting tomorrow 05:13:10 but I also have to think of how to replace vserver, which is no longer included in debian kernels.. 05:14:10 -!- ZRN has quit [] 05:17:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 05:18:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 05:23:54 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:33:03 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:34:37 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:40:24 -!- yogidabear has quit [Client Quit] 05:44:18 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:05 hi deepleg :D 05:48:28 Napkin: ouch!! 05:48:58 that's quite hot 05:49:00 indeed 05:50:19 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:23 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:17 galehar * 0.12-a0-153-g8d098fa: Change the numbers in the ability panel to display MP cost. (14 minutes ago, 3 files, 65+ 64-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/8d098fa93c7e 06:09:17 galehar [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-51-gff9afe0: Change the numbers in the ability panel to display MP cost. (14 minutes ago, 3 files, 65+ 64-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/ff9afe0ae9cc 06:19:09 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:20:07 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:20:30 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:23:49 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:42 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:28:20 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 06:30:25 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:32:55 -!- Rewans has quit [] 06:33:30 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:06 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:27 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:56 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:57 Napkin: still around? 07:17:49 -!- Lasse- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:06 -!- darksquall has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:25:07 Napkin: lxc is proposed as a replacement, but it's a bad joke; most folks I know who started upgrading to wheezy (not released yet) either applied the patch themselves or picked a pre-patched kernel from another source 07:25:32 there's one caveat: old userland tools don't work with the new kernel, you'd have to update it as well 07:26:45 as you're low on time and dislike the sky falling without a warning, I guess you'd better stay with squeeze at least until wheezy is released 07:28:40 I upgraded a less-important server with lots of services to vserver packages from: deb http://repo.psand.net/ wheezy main 07:29:42 works without a hiccup since then 07:30:16 Have animal hides been nuked yet? 07:30:53 If not, here's the wacky idea of the day: occasionally, a sheep would be mutation (and indicated as such). The hide from such a sheep would carry an ego. 07:31:30 dpeg: animal skin haven't been removed. Only sheeps don't drop them anymore. 07:31:42 we still need them for berserkers and Oka's gifts 07:32:30 SpBe/OgBe/TrBe berserkers really, all others would be fine with leather 07:33:00 and the only issue is theme: a raging troll doesn't sound civilized enough for a robe 07:33:16 and that's just a detail that lasts until the first robe you find on the ground anyway 07:34:13 so the point was to have non-boring hides from mutated monsters (and the boring can, and should be imo, suppressed) 07:35:29 I think it's fine to keep them just for Be. It's not like they are doing any harm. 07:36:20 ok 07:36:52 Just saw Erik blow up a bunch of sheep and thought it'd be funny if they were mutated, sometimes. 07:40:19 hehe. Except blowing up a sheep has never left any hide. 07:43:12 sanka (L9 DrTm) ASSERT(book_pos > 0 && max_levels >= 0) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 2050 failed. (D:9) 07:45:02 Well, that leads to another idea I had: in order to make spell choice a little more interesting, spells could destroy objects (also on floor and in inventory). So if you use Fire Storm, you won't pick up any scrolls afterwards. 07:45:36 shatter already destroys potions 07:45:50 good! 07:46:19 * kilobyte really wants to get rid of that quirk of Shatter. 07:46:31 catches people unaware without any good reason 07:46:39 it would be a bit weird if there was no conjurations-heavy way to clear a zig that didn't destroy a good amount of the loot... but that's a bit of an edge-case :p 07:46:41 the storms can destroy scrolls/potions also, but they have a pretty low chance of doing so for some reason 07:47:14 kilobyte: If this is done, there should be feedback: "A|several scroll(s) burn up." 07:47:15 compared to shatter which i think guarantees it 07:47:40 I think it's good if things come with a drawback. Especially spells, and in particularly the high-end spells. 07:48:31 hrm, the logic in Shatter really looks reversed 07:48:42 if (si->base_type == OBJ_POTIONS && !one_chance_in(10)) 07:48:50 i guess technically all fire and ice beams can destroy scrolls/potions 07:49:00 air magic best school, tornado doesn't destroy any items 07:49:06 it just doesn't happen often enough for anyone to notice 07:49:36 so, let's boost it 07:49:42 HangedMan: it was supposed to, sort of (if you cast it near water or lava) but it'd be silly to destroy runes this way 07:49:49 players are always happy to have some item destruction :) 07:50:19 destroying stuff in monster's inventory could be good too 07:50:22 i don't think it's a good thing to have on every single fire conjuration 07:50:35 they can wear conservation now 07:50:37 will result in loads of fiddly targeting to avoid 07:50:48 it would be bad to encourage people to lure monsters away from destroyable consumables 07:51:06 MarvinPA: maybe just storms, fireball and refrig 07:51:08 having to stop beams with . just to avoid maybe hitting a scroll behind a monster, etc 07:51:09 no beams 07:51:27 maybe, yeah 07:51:27 better to have a noticeable effect on a few spell than an unoticeable one on all 07:51:58 yes 07:52:17 about item destruction, I think cloud traps have been overnerfed. They are a bit pointless now. Maybe we could buff them back a bit. 07:52:21 the storms are overpowering, it is really okay for them to have drawbacks (like they do with the noise, for example9 07:52:36 galehar: good observation 07:54:21 galehar: I have a different fix in mind. 07:54:44 * kilobyte whispers something about secret doors, see invis, and stalkers. 07:54:44 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:43 what happened to further work on glasnost branch, kilobyte? 07:56:11 0.11 forking 07:56:21 fair enough 07:56:35 I think the complete removal of secret doors is agreed upon. Just need to implement runed doors to replace them in some vaults. 07:56:39 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:56:43 -!- FunnyMan3595 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:56:52 could merge it (including unpushed stuff, if I remove the obvious assert), and finish the clean-up in trunk 07:56:56 oh yeah, and that 07:57:20 I'll finish mon-pick first, though 07:58:00 for traps, I have suggested somewhere that we remove searching by waiting, and make it work a bit like weapon ID. You just need a certain skill level to find it. 07:58:07 one remaining question: do we want rarities to be on a 1/1000 scale for shorter numbers, or 1/10000 for representing status quo better? 07:58:26 yeah, mon-pick is more urgent :) 07:58:31 there's quite a bit of rarities that resolve to 35/10201 or similar 07:58:57 I think 1/1000 is precise enough 07:59:03 Don't think that probabilities in the 0.0001 range matter. 07:59:17 ok, I'll div_rand_round() these cases to either 3 or 4 07:59:43 they do matter somewhat -- 3 vs 4 is 33% more frequent 08:00:54 I doubt the difference between 3/1000 and 4/1000 is really noticeable in practice. 08:01:49 ok, so div_rand_round() is it 08:02:18 can also round manually and choose for each one if we want to see more of them or less 08:03:53 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:04:16 we're not changing the formula for a new one that gives the same result. The point is to make it easier to adjust and balance monster generation, isn't it? 08:04:55 first of all, to make it readable 08:05:53 there's no way to adjust the generation if it relies on a bunch of hidden rules, that start spawning D:1 ogres if you merely look at the data crookedly 08:07:24 -!- rkd2 has quit [Client Quit] 08:08:11 -!- MPR has quit [] 08:10:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:34 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12:07 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:33 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:06 -!- alefury has quit [] 08:34:16 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 08:37:15 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:38:50 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 08:42:32 -!- sbluen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:47:02 -!- NeremWorld has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:23 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:38 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:04:58 galehar * 0.12-a0-156-g06d3384: Don't prevent abyss morphing at the player position. (6 minutes ago, 5 files, 13+ 5-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/06d33846c1c3 09:04:58 galehar * 0.12-a0-155-g7dfd3e0: Change abyss_genlevel_mask from a map_mask to a map_bitmask. (2 hours ago, 7 files, 53+ 36-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/7dfd3e015ffc 09:04:58 galehar * 0.12-a0-154-ga89b727: Remove an unused parameter. (2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/a89b727b23f4 09:09:15 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 09:11:07 -!- anubiscrapfoobis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:17:19 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:17:26 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:53 -!- chaaar has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:30:07 -!- Impy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:35:27 galehar * 0.12-a0-157-ge18259c: Don't touch maxHP and maxMP when simulating gaining skills (#5979). 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(1 year ago, 2 files, 13+ 12-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/e60bed848498 10:36:30 Unreported crashes on CSZO (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6100) by absolutego 10:42:25 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 10:48:10 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:51:23 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51:25 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:41 galehar * 0.12-a0-159-ge4782f6: Clear shafts from the stash tracker when taking them on purpose (#4284). (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/e4782f65aaf0 10:51:41 galehar [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-53-gcec36ba: Clear shafts from the stash tracker when taking them on purpose (#4284). (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/cec36badf3df 10:53:48 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:07 almost 50 users on CO 10:58:18 <|amethyst> had 52 a few nights ago 10:59:45 -!- omnitoo has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:00:47 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:02:49 dpeg: I approve of that acronym 11:02:50 three pages of players is just weird 11:03:28 <|amethyst> G-Flex: it's elliott's invention I believe 11:03:58 unless someone independently invented it, I think so, yes 11:06:46 Yes, not my invention. 11:10:01 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:20 |amethyst: how many user CO could carry? 11:12:02 <|amethyst> I estimated 200--250 based on memory usage, but that might need some tweaking for max open file descriptors, buffer sizes, etc 11:12:32 at times in the past CDO has had >100 11:12:46 <|amethyst> and network might be slow-ish at that point (it wouldn't be close to capacity, but the latency might be high) 11:12:50 -!- dingir has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:13:13 You have to watch out for lots of distinct disk writes hosing you also 11:13:27 <|amethyst> yeah, I didn't think to check I/O bandwidth 11:14:22 This may be less of a problem if you don't have other virtual servers also running on the machine 11:14:31 (but 100 active ttyrecs is a lot) 11:14:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 11:15:29 -!- alefury has quit [] 11:17:06 <|amethyst> I'm showing 3.69 tps right now 11:17:59 <|amethyst> oh, never mind, that's since boot 11:18:38 <|amethyst> usually zero, spikes at around 200 11:18:47 <|amethyst> s/zero/zero to 2.0/ 11:20:34 rax: any new estimates on when CAO might be back? still early september? 11:22:05 elliptic: will you use the same set of rules as last time? 11:23:56 elliptic: That would be my guess. Academic deadline tomorrow night, before which I am not touching it. Then I will take a stab this weekend, probably not finish, and hopefully finish the weekend after. 11:24:04 Might finish this weekend, that would be cool, but no promises. 11:24:10 dpeg: the same with just some minor tweaks, though if you have any specific rules change requests I'd be interested 11:24:19 rax: cool, thanks for the update 11:25:10 elliptic: so I can just read the old tournament rules. 11:27:30 dpeg: yeah... I'll of course give a list of changes when I post the new rules somewhere, but I'm not planning anything larger than tweaking a few banners and maybe making the streak code handle multiple servers a bit better 11:28:25 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29:00 elliptic: can also update some of the score weights, depending on how it turned out last time 11:29:20 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 11:30:03 yes, tweaks there also maybe 11:30:07 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 11:32:20 Nuetral enemies not considered defeated in Thunderdome sprint (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6101) by sbluen 11:34:42 -!- ereinion has quit [Client Quit] 11:38:33 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:41:53 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:43:33 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: don't trust that omnitoo guy!] 11:43:53 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:53:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:39 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:55 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:10:41 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:23 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:28:21 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:28:44 -!- wasd223 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:23 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:32:38 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:30 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-160-g022a698: Fix line breaks in throwing net description. (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/022a6985b342 12:34:31 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:40 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:40 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.11 12:41:13 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:43:07 -!- Codrus|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:00 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:28 -!- the_glow has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:54:49 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:02:13 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:39 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:00 -!- knonme has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:09:49 -!- omnitoo has quit [Quit: switching computers] 13:10:06 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:13:55 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:27 -!- Turgor has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:24:08 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:50 -!- guppyfry_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:18 on my local trunk me i'm getting an "Assertion failed!" error: "ASSERT(old_level.depth != -1) in 'files.cc' at line 1194 failed 13:27:19 does anyone know what that means? I got it ater messing around in wizmode trying to test a vault 13:27:21 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:28:30 You're trying to load a saved game where level generation failed. 13:28:35 that doesn't tend to work very well. 13:28:47 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 13:29:28 ok, how do i delete the savefile? would that work? 13:29:43 You can find it in saves/, or just start a new game with the same player name. 13:31:40 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:31:40 -!- sanka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:32:05 i'm sorry i'm not actually clear on where saves are - i don't see a folder in my crawl directory and i also don't know how to start a new game ... (Sorry I only play webtiles except CDO is down and I wanted to test vaults) 13:33:06 Where you have the executable file, there should be a directory called saves 13:33:39 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34:24 all i see are dat, docs and settings 13:36:21 Are you running a locally compiled version or a binary download? 13:36:59 Was it just the zipped folder or the installer? 13:37:09 i downloaded crawl_tiles-0.11-a0-3198 from cdo 13:37:13 just the zip file 13:37:24 OS 13:37:35 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:02 Windows/Mac/Linux? 13:38:41 windows 13:39:41 Try C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\crawl 13:42:08 no appdata folder there 13:42:45 What version of Windows is this? 13:43:07 windows 7 13:43:23 AppData is a hidden folder, you'll need to tell your file browser to show hidden folders 13:43:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 13:43:35 <|amethyst> guppyfry: do you have a saves/ under the directory where you unpacked crawl? 13:44:18 no saves folder in crawl directory 13:44:26 how do i show hidden fodlrs? 13:44:30 folders? 13:44:41 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:45:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:32 One of the settings things in one of the File/Edit/etc menus, I don't remember at the moment and I'm not on Windows to check 13:46:13 http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/show-hidden-files-and-folders-in-windows-vista/ 13:47:30 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 4.0b12pre/20110203165105]] 13:48:25 YES - now what do i delete? 13:48:31 guppyfry.cs? 13:48:36 <|amethyst> yes 13:48:41 ty! 13:49:39 that didn't work - is there somthing else i need to delete? 13:50:30 Here, try launching Crawl, make a character called guppyfry, and say that yes you would like to overwrite your old guppyfry game. 13:50:57 Do this by not providing a name at the title screen, picking your role/background, and then give your name as guppyfry. 13:53:34 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:59 -!- ZRN has quit [] 13:56:15 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:15 -!- StekarDraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:19 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:57:55 -!- Tolias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:55 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:58:51 when i click the executable there's a name already in the title screen and in the saved games - when i click anything in the menu i get the error 14:01:35 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:03:44 You can clear the name through liberal application of the backspace key. 14:05:33 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:05:40 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:05:45 brilliant! 14:10:46 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:10:59 -!- guppyfry has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:10:59 -!- guppyfry_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:12:57 -!- Kheldar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:14:26 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:45 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:20:02 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:20:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:28:25 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: link_108] 14:29:47 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:27 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2-rdmsoft [XULRunner 12.0/20120420145725]] 14:33:57 -!- jeremie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:36:56 -!- knonme has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:37:49 -!- Jaxy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:37 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:42:39 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:58 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 14:46:09 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:50:00 -!- VengefulCarrot has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:19 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:05 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:08 -!- MPR| has quit [Changing host] 15:02:37 -!- MPR has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:18 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:09 -!- ereinion has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:15 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:12:42 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:52 elliptic: Fannar is missing from Vehumet's headhunting guide. 15:16:22 right, I'll need to add 15:16:27 Are the other new uniques? 15:16:37 hm, what other unique changes were there? I think one or two might have been removed? 15:17:00 65 games on CO 15:18:39 jozef's gone, there's also arachne 15:19:03 right 15:19:30 I just realised that new gods will also bring new banners. Rejoice! 15:20:25 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:25 -!- larasium has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:32 oh no, it is already a struggle to come up with enough good banners each time ;) 15:20:57 speaking of which any good sif banner ideas should be sent to me (it is the one I was least happy about) 15:21:01 i'd vote for more bruce banners 15:21:15 -!- Lawman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:40 -!- yogi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:30 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:30 -!- VideoGames has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:30 -!- djoor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:46 -!- Nerem has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:52 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:22:59 Level 1: Find a spellbook. Level 2: Find spellbooks for every spell in the game. Level 3: Successfully cast every spell in the game. 15:23:51 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:24:14 -!- RollieTG has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 15:24:25 (Level 3 probably isn't the best of ideas.) 15:25:04 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:15 <|amethyst> dtsund: how to check though? 15:25:44 level 1/2 would be okay aside from requiring some quick commits to put that info in a logfile field 15:25:54 -!- Froggeryz has quit [] 15:25:57 but actually casting every spell is pretty boring 15:26:04 <|amethyst> dtsund: if you look at the .lst files you count spellbooks they never identified, which doesn't seem right; if only the morgue file, you'll only get carried books 15:26:21 <|amethyst> casting every spell could be checked if we force on dump_action_counts 15:26:31 |amethyst: there used to be a banner for finding every type of fruit; this would be handled in a similar way 15:26:43 |amethyst: the tourney scripts are not going to look at morgue files or .lst files so that is irrelevant 15:26:46 <|amethyst> aha 15:27:04 <|amethyst> wasn't sure if they did that or just milestones/logfiles 15:28:20 Level 3: Allrune with 0 Fighting skill 15:28:22 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:28:32 ash 15:28:39 Oh. 15:28:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:08 reskilling messes up a lot of skill-related stuff unless you forbid ever joining ash, which is awkward 15:29:11 Allrune playing a class without Fighting and without transferring knowledge away from it. 15:29:13 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 15:29:27 A bit awkward, though, yes 15:31:24 elliptic: it should be harder to come up with gods than with banners :P 15:32:22 Level 3: Allrune with 0 Fighting skill 15:32:25 summoning O_o 15:32:31 er, 8] rather 15:32:39 did summoning get nerfed yet 15:32:48 no :( 15:33:25 :] 15:33:35 keep summoning the secret tech it was always meant to be 15:33:41 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 15:33:46 no no, the nerf will come 15:33:48 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:51 sob 15:33:58 m-my summon dragon... 15:33:58 agreed upon: summons outside of LOS will not fight 15:34:11 how will i cheese pan lords ever again 15:34:27 Could we get a banner out of "never forgot a spell"? 15:34:32 And oklobs! 15:34:41 * dpeg hands Pacra an Appenzeller. 15:34:58 dpeg: berserkers are pretty good at never forgetting spells 15:35:08 I know, I know 15:35:12 a delicious cheese 15:35:24 "Win with spellcasting title and never forgetting a spell." 15:36:05 I think that only justifies a Level 2 banner 15:36:11 sure 15:36:17 With a little forethought, it's not *that* hard 15:36:18 trying to bring up a new idea :) 15:36:40 elliptic: it is compulsory that winning a banner III also wins I and II? 15:37:49 dpeg: it should be clear that a player who could win III could also have won II and I that game, at least, even if they didn't actually fulfill all the requirements 15:38:56 the distinction there is to make stuff like Kiku I (enter Vestibule before entering Lair) okay 15:39:13 elliptic: What about "clearing branches once you enter them"? 15:39:31 that one would be good but is rather hard to track :( 15:40:07 pity -- this is, similar to the rune lock banner, something I'd really like to see tested 15:42:28 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:31 ??test 15:42:31 summon butterflies[4/5]: 12Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 9Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 4Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 8Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 11Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ7 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 15:42:35 it would require tracking basically the entire conduct in-game 15:43:04 tracking more stuff in-game could be good, but it isn't something that could be shoved in 0.11 15:43:17 elliptic: couldn't there be a message (that is ordinarily suppressed of course) for "You leave branch [foo]."? 15:43:22 ah, sure 15:43:56 -!- Wensley has quit [Client Quit] 15:45:04 you could add a couple new milestones, yeah, but I'm reluctant to make the databases even larger just for a banner 15:45:25 at least not on the scale that would be required 15:46:03 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:38 at some point I'd like to do more stuff in the flavour of action_counts though... a table with the number of times each branch was entered and at what XLs could be interesting 15:49:20 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:27 <|amethyst> I think having more queryable stats on all kinds of things would be good 15:49:28 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:24 <|amethyst> and I suspect it would be dwarfed by ttyrecs anyway 15:50:42 what do you mean? 15:51:57 <|amethyst> oh, by databases you mean sequell's etc 15:51:57 I was concerned about the databases of milestones/logfiles getting too unwieldy (say if every time you entered or exited any branch was a milestone) 15:51:57 yes 15:51:57 <|amethyst> not the milestones files themselves 15:52:54 elliptic: yea, imagine if every time somebody visited their stash in lair, it would be recorded 15:53:52 my understanding of these things is that adding new fields is nearly free, but having many more milestones could be not that good 15:54:58 like too much data/cluttered data? or not good in other ways? 15:54:59 certainly there are a lot of things that should really be queryable and just nobody has bothered to code yet... like AC/EV/SH 15:55:30 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:32 link_108: well, already it is the case that sequell takes half a day or so to rebuild the databases from scratch 15:57:19 gotcha, thats a pain 15:57:35 ofc, for the banner in question we'd just need a single milestone 15:59:17 "You leave [branch] for the first time." 15:59:20 dpeg: each game would produce one milestone for every branch exited, right? it wouldn't be nearly as bad as recording every entrance and exit, but still I'm conservative about such increases :) 16:00:51 (br.enter milestones are currently over 20% of all milestones, for the record) 16:02:21 Bbbbut it's such an interesting banner :) 16:02:36 I guess it becomes more reasonable if you make this milestone only be recorded for non-portal non-temple branches 16:02:46 yes 16:02:47 since a lot of those are early portal vaults and temple 16:03:41 so recording the first time players exit a branch wouldn't be too bad... next question is exactly what "clearing the branch" means :) 16:03:51 watching CO is fun: all the time someone's in a portal vault 16:03:57 elliptic: rune! 16:04:47 rune or rune and kill all monsters? 16:04:50 for rune branches we can require the rune, for others we can require that they at least reach the end of it I guess 16:04:58 link_108: no, never kill all monsters 16:05:09 elliptic: "enter a shop in Orc:4" 16:05:35 the other question is whether to forbid players from returning to the branch later 16:05:48 my inclination is no, because this would make stashes annoying 16:06:09 elliptic: sure, they can enter again. I am interested in "storm the branch in one attempt". 16:06:15 elliptic: sorry, forbid players to returning to branches that they cleared? or just any branch they have left? 16:06:40 and I like dpeg's idea about first attempt, makes it more meaningful/challenging 16:06:54 link_108: well, this is for a possible conduct "clear every branch on the first attempt" 16:06:54 elliptic: perhaps a general stairscumming banner? "Do rune branch ends in one attempt.", "Do rune branchs in one attempt." 16:06:58 -!- Helmschank has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:10:03 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:07 well, I was thinking something like "Do both Lair and Orc in one attempt" / "Win while doing all branches entered in one attempt" / "Win while doing all branches entered in one attempt, and also entering all subbranches on the first attempt" 16:10:13 (wording would be improved a lot) 16:10:20 I need to read up on crawl dev stuff.. 16:10:41 starting to be reminded of elfrobin 16:10:43 with the last one, that means that if you enter lair, then you need to do all three rune subbranches before you can leave lair 16:11:07 HangedMan: yes, the last one would be quite similar to elfrobin except permitting a bit more flexibility and doing more D first 16:11:50 elliptic: oh nice 16:12:12 galehar * 0.12-a0-161-ge31c7b8: Fix windows compilation. (4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/e31c7b829a2e 16:12:37 perhaps instead of Lair+Orc ask for Lair+arbitrary subbranch? Reason 1: harder to scum (fetch rune rather than dive to E:3), reason 2: more choice for player. 16:12:55 dpeg: first banner shouldn't require getting a rune 16:13:16 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 16:13:24 elliptic pulls new rules from his hat all the time :) 16:13:28 but sure 16:15:20 Then I would reduce I to: "Do Orc in one attempt.", makes it more of a reasonable task. 16:15:36 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:15:47 the general difficulty guidelines are that Tier I = pre-rune, Tier II = rune / win, Tier III = multiple wins 16:15:58 yes, it is a good concept 16:16:14 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:16:15 dpeg: yeah, I was actually thinking maybe give people the choice of doing orc in one attempt or reaching lair:8 in one attempt 16:16:27 yes, one of those sounds nice for non-winners 16:16:39 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:03 Just playing: "Meth Crawl" by Threatener. 16:17:17 galehar * 0.12-a0-162-gd876ee3: Fix a compiler warning. (4 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/d876ee30b44a 16:17:41 dpeg: meth crawl? play the speediest character you can? 16:17:50 :P 16:18:00 I'll think about how involved it would be to sneak a br.exit milestone into 0.11... 16:18:36 link_108: It's an actual song (albeit a very short one). You can listen to it at the end of my Roguelike Radio interview. Caused some raised eyebrows and puzzled faces :) 16:18:44 elliptic: you rock! 16:19:17 dpeg: do you have a link to your rogue like radio interview? 16:19:44 there's a link on the CDO homepage 16:20:40 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 16:21:04 awesome, thanks! 16:21:04 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:36 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:55 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:27:51 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:04 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:30:07 -!- Lawman_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:11 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:26 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:11 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:27 -!- Orionstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:00 Fannar's staff of cold isn't a signature weapon. Shouldn't it? Otherwise, he might drop it for a quarterstaff. 16:45:22 I'd think it is. 16:45:27 make it an artifact quarterstaff of freezing 16:45:29 Also: bonsoir! 16:45:32 with some other stuff on it 16:45:43 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:45:46 and make it like... +3 +3 16:46:07 should only upgrade for other staves of freezing 16:46:07 * dpeg is afraid that Pacra cares more for players than for poor Fannar. 16:46:14 yes, like Sigmund 16:46:29 nikolasigmund 16:46:52 the staff of cold is somewhat necessary when he spawns with it 16:47:00 he's made so he always has at least rc++ 16:47:12 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 16:47:12 otherwise, his refrigeration spell would cause too much damage to him 16:47:33 The unique who came from the refridgerator. 16:47:34 ah 16:47:38 welp 16:49:09 MarvinPA * 0.12-a0-164-gd09f384: Remove the Insulation spell (22 minutes ago, 17 files, 13+ 30-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/d09f384b95c5 16:49:09 MarvinPA * 0.12-a0-163-g84e723c: Remove the See Invisible spell (51 minutes ago, 20 files, 18+ 71-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/84e723c600f7 16:49:13 i guess at least make the staff of cold a signature weapon then? and maybe not the staff of freezing 16:49:16 i have no idea how highly monsters value enhancer staves 16:49:30 the staff of freezing isn't so important 16:49:44 Huh 16:49:53 How come you removed Insulation and See Invisible? 16:50:12 something I was thinking about insulation: this spell can be found along with ball lightning, and they kind of go together. I've never seen anyone actually use them both though 16:50:22 and it was probably a waste of mp 16:50:51 That's 4 spells removed in .12 so far 16:50:56 good 16:51:02 Any other spells you think could get removed? 16:51:23 cigotuvi's degeneration (or was that removed already?) 16:51:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: ZWOOSH] 16:51:41 dracoomega mentioned he had an idea to revamp it 16:51:47 but failing that it could certainly go 16:51:48 alright, good 16:52:05 Yeah, why cast a polymorph other spell that makes the target into something that mutates you 16:52:06 degeneration would be an ok monster spell (acting as the potion effect does) 16:52:19 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 16:52:42 I did up an implementation of it as a monster spell in exactly that fashion. 16:52:55 yeah thats what made me mention it 16:53:21 sort of icky to have it do something completely different for monsters just because there happens to be an entirely unrelated effect with the same name :P 16:53:33 evilmike: so CBL should include Insulation? 16:53:42 MarvinPA: it's no big deal, spell names aren't really exposed to players 16:53:49 monster spell names, I mean 16:54:10 -!- vivec has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:54:17 even less of an issue of the player version goes away 16:54:35 what would get said degeneration spell? pan lords? 16:54:39 still probably shouldn't be the same spell, even if only for the case where it transfers over via ghosts 16:54:49 but yeah, not an issue if the player version gets stalkerified 16:55:12 well, ghosts would never cast it, because players never cast it :P 16:55:55 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:57:21 seems like the tmut school is pretty sparse now 16:57:33 -!- ishanyx has left ##crawl-dev 16:57:40 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:55 <|amethyst> there's that homunculus thing due was working on ages ago 16:59:35 <|amethyst> could do conj/tmut acid spells (thinking of acid as alchemical) 17:01:15 need an alien tmut spell that makes stuff burst out of corpses after you kill them 17:01:32 that would be cool 17:02:06 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:02:12 the spell would cause you to grow a tail with an ovipositor/stinger at the end (like certain wasps have) 17:02:42 <|amethyst> isn't this kind of stepping on the spider god's pedipalps? 17:02:51 melee attacks inject eggs and maybe do poison damage, and then a few turns after death the monster corpse explodes 17:03:30 |amethyst: not really, at least not the way I proposed it :) 17:03:41 There's a wasp god proposal which has this mechanic, of course. 17:03:49 the spider god has some creepy parasitic stuff proposed, but it's vague enough that i dont think we should worry too much 17:04:03 evilmike: you didn't follow up what you did think about CBL + Insulation. 17:04:18 I was thinking more like a hex effect, but a form/buff could work also 17:04:30 dpeg: oh. It would be weird for players to cast an offensive spell so they could get a defense 17:05:02 dpeg: I don't think CBL is a huge problem anyway. We have other spells that require various resists to use effectively 17:05:07 ok! 17:05:26 * dpeg notices he didn't mumble Reverse Alchemy tonight. 17:05:33 st_: what would be neat about a form is it would be a kind of melee/summoning power, which doesn't exist currently 17:06:55 dpeg: ymehclA? 17:07:22 Grunt: Gold + Magic ==> Energy (damage) 17:07:45 Gold would make an interesting resource to use, imo. Also: hard on the purse, light on the interface. 17:08:15 Grunt: for a moment I thought you're suggesting a god name =) 17:08:39 fr: Ymehcla, god of breaking up substances into their base components 17:08:48 That would be slightly too obvious :b 17:08:52 And we already have a Y god. 17:08:53 Denied by Yredelemnul. 17:09:07 (Y, oh, Y?) 17:09:08 it's a more fun replacement for yred! 17:09:16 /kick elliott 17:09:16 we just need a D??? Knight name for it 17:10:14 Daffodil Knight 17:10:18 Dandruff Knight 17:10:36 fr: a generic Divine Knight to absorb all the rest of the Knight classes. 17:10:47 but optioncide 17:10:53 <|amethyst> we already had Chaos Knight 17:10:58 Dude Knight 17:11:04 Dead Knight. 17:11:05 XD 17:11:49 <|amethyst> FR: change Death Knight to "Knight of the Living Dead" 17:12:01 ++ 17:12:08 * Grunt is hit by the pun! Ouch! That really hurt! 17:12:23 -!- RushingJaws has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:12:59 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:19 |amethyst: can only do that in about 270 years. I'll make a note. 17:15:22 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:18:00 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:20:58 -!- fear_hardcore has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:24:38 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:27:07 -!- tJener_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:28:54 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:32:47 -!- Tally has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:29 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:57 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:35:33 -!- yuummmer has quit [Client Quit] 17:36:34 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:46:22 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:38 elliptic: what about purging code which is in Crawl only to support old banner gimmicks? 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(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/bc2d60e215ac 19:31:48 -!- fooobaar has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:37:31 -!- serge is now known as Guest11226 19:38:45 -!- control9 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:42:57 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:53 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:47 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 19:59:07 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:01:13 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 20:01:56 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:04:38 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:12:13 Grunt * 0.12-a0-166-g9cdf352: Fix typo when monsters attack with staff of earth. (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/9cdf352024a5 20:15:55 -!- brownlee has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:18:40 -!- undarum has quit [Client Quit] 20:19:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:22:10 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:27 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:07 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:27:30 -!- RushingJaws has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:27:31 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:39:55 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:49:44 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:50:32 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 20:52:10 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:52:53 Labyrinth vaults (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6103) by nicolae 20:54:03 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:57 -!- Ruski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:01:10 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:15 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:13:48 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:16:28 -!- Duvessa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 21:18:57 -!- Araganzar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:21:02 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:21:09 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 21:21:46 -!- datparadox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:45 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:23:56 -!- Guest11226 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:27:13 -!- Rewans has quit [] 21:41:24 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 21:49:43 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:38 pubby (L27 DDEE) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_index(mg.foe) || mg.foe == MHITYOU || mg.foe == MHITNOT) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1680 failed. (Slime:6) 21:59:37 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:25 -!- NeremWorld has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:52 -!- Turgor has quit [] 22:02:41 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:02:57 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:03:02 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:05 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:06:05 -!- unpaidbill has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:06:12 -!- ivan``_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:07:01 game crashed when I killed TRJ on new webtiles server, what do? 22:07:10 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:07:55 -!- Eronarn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:08:28 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 22:08:32 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:50 -!- Eronarn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:54 buppy: leave a message for |amethyst I think? 22:10:06 there's a decent chance no one who can look at it is awake, unfortunately 22:10:38 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:43 rax: how do I leave messages? Could you do it for me? 22:12:22 You can say !tell person thing 22:12:43 you should leave details like your username on the site, the crash details, what version you are playing, &c 22:12:48 I know nothing about webtiles unfortunately 22:13:06 ok 22:13:29 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:15:26 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:31 !tell |amethyst s-z Webtiles crashed after I killed TRJ on trunk. Username was pubby. I already had the rune and I believe sticky flame killed him. rax told me you're the one I should tell this to. 22:15:31 I don't grok. Syntax is !tell PERSON MESSAGE. 22:15:44 ...that would be a bug in !tell 22:16:01 any way to work around? 22:16:06 I'll bring it up in the morning when they're awake? :/ Sorry 22:16:12 ok thanks 22:16:46 henzell is really bad at names with |s in them, it doesn't even do !seen for them 22:16:53 It gets through if you omit the |, IIRC. 22:16:54 i think !tell doesn't like amethyst because yeah 22:16:55 | 22:17:15 !tell amethyst s-z Webtiles crashed after I killed TRJ on trunk. Username was pubby. I already had the rune and I believe sticky flame killed him. rax told me you're the one I should tell this to. 22:17:15 buppy: OK, I'll let amethyst know. 22:17:20 wonder if that will work 22:17:52 huh we should fix that 22:19:19 -!- EpicSheep has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:20:33 it'll only work if |amethyst does /nick amethyst 22:22:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 22:24:06 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:50 it used to give him messages fine if you did "!tell amethyst" 22:25:50 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:25:55 it would magically ignore the | 22:27:20 -!- ivan`` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28:21 oh 22:28:25 maybe it does the stripping on message check too 22:28:29 eww 22:30:14 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:58 -!- ddubois has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:35:30 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:37:56 -!- fooobaar has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:39:11 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:59 -!- dingir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:46:49 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:00 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:35 -!- Svankensen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:53:20 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:59:32 -!- ac13 has quit [Client Quit] 23:07:22 -!- pooh_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:14:39 -!- morduin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:13 -!- ereinion has quit [] 23:19:56 -!- RushingJaws has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:34 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:12 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:30:00 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 23:39:25 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:11 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:49 Interlevel travel went upstairs into an exclusion area (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6104) by codrus 23:45:49 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:46:18 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:44 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: g'night! hork] 23:55:43 fr: make the level 3 mutation resistance mutation override glowing mutations 100% of the time 23:56:05 It makes no sense for glowing to still be able to mutate you when you're supposed to be incapable of having your mutations change at all 23:57:44 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed]