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timeout: 245 seconds] 05:36:38 -!- BanMido has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:42:40 03drcraven1906 * r8ea3d2f31877 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Added warning for casting Ignite Poison while in poison/meph clouds or standing over poison items 05:42:40 03MarvinPA * rf514b1f1f121 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Whitespace fixes 05:42:40 03MarvinPA * r8ff62ecd1787 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Don't prompt ignite poison when immune to fire clouds, add a cast message 05:43:57 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 05:44:13 -!- mhss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:57:05 add monster ignite pois :( 06:06:07 03kilobyte * r9f9d707a1945 10/crawl-ref/source/ (misc.cc mon-stuff.cc): Make troll and yak genus monsters count as those for dropping hides. 06:06:09 03kilobyte * r65b3066fd5c9 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc godprayer.cc): Revert "Don't grant Okawaru piety for vault-placed corpses." 06:06:10 03kilobyte * r700806f7e9c1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc godprayer.cc): Cap Oka piety gain from vault-placed corpses. 06:08:12 kilobyte: fwiw, that change was made due to someone getting to full oka piety on D:1 06:08:13 er, D:2 06:08:22 from a mino corpse vault 06:08:31 D:2? maybe it wasn't D:2. D:5 at the latest 06:10:45 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-28-g700806f (33) 06:11:02 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:37 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:51 elliott: yeah. The vault is now on D:10 the shallowest, but I special-cased it with a cap just for a rare diver. 06:14:25 ah, I missed the vault getting moved down 06:14:46 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:30 might it make sense to apply that cap to all corpses, not just ones in vaults? I guess actually killing a minotaur at that point would be quite a feat, but it seems weird to be able to shoot up to full piety with so few sacrifices 06:15:41 the cap is high enough so there's no great loss for being unspoiled and choosing the wrong corpse to eat-vs-sac 06:16:54 spriggan+blowgun, or a rod of freezing cloud 06:17:08 or even Conjure Flame/etc on a speedy race 06:17:31 right... seems odd to get so much piety that way, but I guess it does come at substantial risk 06:17:42 the new Okawaru piety has currently no cap, either for killing or corpses 06:18:36 the design is for it to allow for huge chunks (to reward that rare feat of bravery, ignoring popcorn), but I guess _some_ cap could be good 06:18:50 -!- boxo has quit [*.net *.split] 06:18:50 -!- Ganrao| has quit [*.net *.split] 06:18:50 -!- cbus has quit [*.net *.split] 06:18:50 -!- BrightCloud has quit [*.net *.split] 06:18:50 -!- eki has quit [*.net *.split] 06:19:44 so you could get a * or perhaps even **, but not ***** in one go 06:20:29 right (which would also handle the case of corpses in vaults, although perhaps it wouldn't cap enough in that case) 06:23:08 stepdown(20) could work, perhaps 06:24:40 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:43 -!- cbus_ is now known as cbus 06:39:40 -!- domi is now known as domi_ 06:39:55 making GDR universal, I wonder what to do with LRD, which is affected by AC thrice 06:40:30 having it affected by GDR thrice would often reduce damage by a factor of more than ten 06:40:56 why make GDR universal? AC really doesn't need the buff 06:41:05 ^ 06:41:07 ("often" as in "some values of GDR, AC and max damage", consistently) 06:41:46 because isn't that the whole point of GDR? People here keep complaining about the inconsistency. 06:41:58 "people" 06:42:04 also, monsters 06:42:33 do you know what's the current EV penalty they suffer for a GDA? -4. 06:44:10 that's not too unreasonable given that monsters have much lower EV than the player in general 06:44:11 it gives then +12 AC, while a player gets at least +27, assuming max skill (can get more, if it's racial/etc) 06:44:18 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:45:06 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:45:51 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:15 my current plan is to give monsters GDR, full EV penalty, and perhaps a skill/HD bonus 06:47:28 @??orc warrior 06:47:29 orc warrior (08o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 16-39 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 133 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 06:47:31 @??vault guard 06:47:31 vault guard (10@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-90 | AC/EV: 1/13 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(52) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1381 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 06:48:39 kilobyte: there are a lot of player/monster inconsistencies, sure... melee_attack.cc still has huge "if (attacker->is_player())" splits. But I think trying to remove these inconsistencies for the sake of removing them is an awful idea given how much you'll mess up balance 06:49:19 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:50:04 in general these inconsistencies aren't noticeable by players, and the current system works pretty well... so why mess with it? 06:51:06 considering that the whole missile combat is supposed to get flushed and rewritten without a regard for old formulas, this is probably a good time to do so... as it simplifies stuff 06:51:53 my main reason is: if a kobold finds a plate on D:1, it is very noticeable. If a vault guard gets the same plate on V:8, you don't even notice it. 06:51:54 ranged combat is one thing, since only about 5% of characters use it 06:52:16 this is what kills people in lower D 06:52:36 yaktaurs are harmless in melee 06:53:09 I think that doing these melee changes would be good if we did a *melee* rewrite (which might be on the table at some point), but not this 06:54:04 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 06:54:34 has it even been discussed here whether other devs think that letting GDR affect ranged combat would be good? since I don't like the idea the more I think about it 06:54:35 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:40 and I don't remember any discussion 06:56:05 kilobyte: in case it isn't clear, my main concern about monster changes is for balance of early orc warriors, not vault guards... late balance is much more flexible in general 06:57:29 since vault guards are sort of harmless as is, I don't care what you do with them 06:58:45 about having ranged GDR, it would make heavy armour much better against high-damage spellcasters like orb of fire, lich... and I don't think it needs that at all 06:59:35 at least exchanging some EV for GDR in melee only seems pretty harmless 07:00:46 and would probably make early orc warriors actually easier, since your to-hit is pretty small at that point 07:02:59 maybe, yes 07:03:38 this is what branches are for, BTW 07:06:14 besides, I wonder, what do we actually get from having AC and GDR be separate stats? 07:07:35 with mad +AC randarts gone, adjusting AC you get from body armour and changing the damage reduction formula to be less random would allow eliminating GDR 07:10:02 well, nagas or demonspawn with the right mutations can still easily get 40-50 AC in a robe 07:10:46 not sure we want to give them more GDR than someone in plate armour... but maybe with enough tweaking of numbers it could be fine 07:11:53 which could be reduced somehow, making armour stand out more. Early on, a single ring does as much as upgrading from ring to plate. 07:12:41 I'm not proposing such drastic changes right now, though; it would be better to unify monster and player melee first. 07:13:48 I like the idea of removing GDR better than worrying about changing what gets GDR, fwiw :) 07:14:13 but yeah, pretty drastic 07:15:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:19:26 New branch created: gdr (5 commits) 07:19:49 yay Cheibriados' speed :p 07:20:03 (at least it lives up to its name...) 07:20:11 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:02 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:12 moin 07:25:17 ??test 07:25:17 test[1/34]: xomk 07:40:48 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:42:44 kilobyte: I thought of an actual issue with making GDR affect more stuff -- it is more effective against damage with less variation (more dice) 07:43:08 4d10 - max(20, 1d40) is much smaller than 1d40 - max(20, 1d40) 07:45:12 monster melee is always 1dN, so applying GDR to that is fine... but applying it to spells with the varying number of dice seems like a bad idea, and even to player melee it seems like this could be an issue 07:47:42 could come up with a different GDR model, of course... not sure what makes sense 07:48:39 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:25 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:02:14 BTW, this whole branch is a result of a bad case of stash recursion: all starting with trying to make Awaken Forest respect AC/EV 08:02:47 naively applying it, like in a patch on mantis, would make EV nearly completely ignore the effect 08:03:59 EV means "you get hit by only 1/10 attacks, but if you roll the 1/100 chance of being hit twice in a row, you're in deep shit"; AC has modest but consistent saves 08:04:33 applying EV to an effect with many rolls (like Awaken Forest) means 1/10 damage rather than 1/2 you'd get with AC 08:04:48 what you say about GDR and multi-dice effects is quite related 08:05:42 this also reminds me of spines vs moderately high EV... 5% chance of hitting or something 08:06:08 03dolorous * rd3df7ad2210c 10/crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: Make the yak genus monster check for dropping hides match the one for MDSC_LEAVES_HIDE. 08:06:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 08:10:07 -!- SaintGutFree has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11:08 actually, do we even have any uses for animal skins? 08:11:46 good question 08:12:10 uses I can think of are A: Zhor B: Oka gifts 08:12:46 something for Okawaru to gift, thematic wear for Be (dumped the moment you find the first robe), Pikel's slaves 08:13:11 it might also give unspoiled players a hint about dragon hides but not really 08:14:10 Zhor doesn't need to be a skin, armour with same AC/EVP can be easily redefined 08:14:15 yeah 08:14:38 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:05 -!- Guest28115 is now known as jarpiain 08:19:19 slaves can go naked (ie, clothed only in the description, same as many vault humans) 08:19:44 the only place left is SpBe/OgBe/TrBe looking somewhat silly in robes 08:20:16 I assume the others get leather? could alternatively make all berserkers start without armour 08:20:59 -!- naalis has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 08:21:23 * kilobyte ponders a nekkid troll... 08:22:03 a bit mean to races without racial AC I guess, given how bad 0 AC is early on... but they do get berserk so I don't feel *that* sorry for them 08:23:43 those three races could get robes 08:24:05 probably better than making everyone go naked, yes 08:24:09 or, perhaps, robes could get cosmetic variants like gauntlets/gloves 08:24:25 (removing all special properties of skins) 08:25:08 gauntlets/gloves already confuse players a lot 08:25:10 Just let them be naked. I assume there is implicit flavour-clothing anyway. 08:25:40 LIke, I don't think everyone is barefoot at the start, they just have som default boots that don't help much 08:26:01 sandals 08:26:03 animal skins aren't that harmful if they provide flavour to starting be armour and are used as the basis of an unrandart, surely? 08:26:36 ghallberg: vikings for example used to have pants and socks as one piece of garment (jeans-like rigid pants are a modern invention) 08:26:39 elliott: Yeah, or moccasines. 08:26:42 elliott: the fact that you can get them from yaks seems a bit unnecessary at least 08:27:06 kilobyte: Yeah, they still have footwear of some kind is my point :) 08:27:06 or, a minimal change, just dropping yaks dropping skins 08:27:47 elliptic: yes, that is a bit excessive :P 08:40:18 03kilobyte * r3c0755d2649f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (misc.cc mon-stuff.cc): Drop animal skin drops. 08:41:06 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:03 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:51:13 -!- CIA-23 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:51:36 -!- CIA-80 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:51:44 -!- SaintGutFree has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:54:22 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:01:07 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01:21 -!- Orionstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-30-g3c0755d (33) 09:10:47 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:30 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:31 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:40 hooray, crawl_tiles-0.11-a0-3198-g6e5327a has &D just completely fail to work 09:20:57 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:21:34 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:22:53 ...actually, no, a fresh install teleported to d:27 and somehow had no monsters spawn instead 09:24:09 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:26:46 MONS spec weirdness with zombified monsters (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6070) by Claws 09:30:10 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:36 -!- CIA-54 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:50 -!- tJener has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:47:40 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:18 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:41 -!- Tolias has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:44 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 10:05:27 elliptic: idea for skins: Animate Skin 10:05:34 it's like a skeleton 10:05:37 but 10:05:39 a skineton 10:05:54 dwarf fortress actually has these, I hear 10:06:17 completely by accident, as a result of the fact that any body part can be animated, and skin is a body part 10:07:05 but will we get animated plant skins 10:12:35 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:27 if you implement undead skins, please also implement a randart leather armor made of such a skin 10:25:41 er, fixedart 10:25:55 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 10:28:41 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:11 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:24 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:18 |amethyst: 17 players on czo 10:31:33 is it slow yet 10:31:44 <|amethyst> My reddit post was successful I guess :) 10:31:45 -!- SkaryMonk has left ##crawl-dev 10:31:47 or at least, 16 players and one player playing both 0.11 and trunk 10:32:00 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 10:32:51 player status page can now sort by race and class independently 10:33:09 I also spent like an hour making tweaks that nobody but me will ever notice 10:33:14 -!- naalis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:43 and that's good. its beauty is now even more subtle and ineffable 10:34:19 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: IceChat - Its what Cool People use] 10:36:10 wow 10:36:15 Gl is the most popular class 10:36:25 with 8 ongoing games 10:36:30 be, fi, and wz are tied at 7 10:37:28 ne and fe come in third 10:37:31 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:55 oh, and ae 10:38:55 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:39:27 the most popular XL is 7 10:39:30 followed by 12 and 3 10:44:10 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:45 edlothiol: will CSN support ssl any time soon? 10:48:03 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:04 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:09 |amethyst: what's the idle timeout on czo? 10:49:39 <|amethyst> 5 * 60 * 60 10:49:44 <|amethyst> for webtiles 10:50:02 |amethyst: I spy a guy who's been idle for 90+ minutes 10:50:24 <|amethyst> menu_max_idle_time = 3600 for dgamelaunch 10:50:58 oh wait, so you can be idle for like 300 minutes 10:50:58 <|amethyst> Wensley: webtiles? 10:51:11 if by 5*60*60 you mean seconds 10:51:17 yeah 10:51:39 <|amethyst> yeah, pretty sure that's seconds 10:53:01 I ask because I know there's been some weirdness with that guy on cdo webtiles who's been idle for nine days 10:55:44 Wensley: not likely 10:56:21 okay, so I won't bother waiting for that to push this to napkin 10:56:34 |amethyst: so you say you can distinguish between dgl and webtiles in your status output? 10:58:15 <|amethyst> Wensley: oh, hm... actually I guess not 10:58:33 <|amethyst> Wensley: it's in the milestones/logfiles but not there :( 10:58:38 haha 10:59:30 |amethyst: if you're bored, you could set up separate status pages for both dgl and webtiles, like the other servers do 10:59:54 but not super terribly important 11:01:13 <|amethyst> I guess I could use separate inprogress dirs for webtiles 11:01:32 except that would break watching from DGL, wouldn't it? 11:02:05 <|amethyst> probably :( 11:03:07 -!- orionstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:07 or you could just stick some unique token in the current status output and I could throw another rule in my hairy csv->json parser 11:03:43 I don't think this can be done without patching DGL, since DGL has to find the games for watching 11:04:14 then let us not concern ourselves 11:04:16 <|amethyst> could add a game entry for the webtiles inprogress directory, but not link to it from any menu 11:04:33 <|amethyst> then dgl will report it though 11:04:39 <|amethyst> so we haven't solved anything 11:05:04 exactly 11:06:30 just implement the webtiles chat interface in the console version of crawl 11:06:36 then this distinction won't matter :) 11:07:56 that's not exactly trivial either ;) 11:08:25 <|amethyst> Wensley: you could implement it and include a credit, then people will think you invented speech 11:08:30 <|amethyst> :P 11:09:52 edlothiol: then an easier solution: implement console chat interface in webtiles :D 11:10:08 solution: outlaw communication 11:10:25 speakcrime 11:12:19 elliott: but how we will inform them of their crime without communicating to them 11:12:25 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:41 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:48 Wensley: violence 11:12:57 nope, communication of intent 11:13:10 you get robots to beat them up very neutrally 11:13:27 the robots do not really care one way or another 11:13:33 the robots would also have to beat up people who did not commit commcrime 11:13:47 so that no information is leaked 11:14:01 that is ok 11:14:13 <|amethyst> Indiscriminate robot brutality—what's not to like? 11:14:14 I welcome this utopian society 11:16:04 |amethyst: silence. discussion of the indiscriminate robot brutality is forbidden 11:16:23 <|amethyst> The revolution will not be tweeted 11:17:01 -!- boxo_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:17:05 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:17:37 elliott: silence. discussion of the discussion of the indiscriminate robot brutality is forbidden 11:18:25 at this point robots come in and beat up everyone 11:18:36 elliott: hold on, adding that to wenzell right now 11:18:54 then the play ends (it is an allegory for humankind's search for meaning, god, and indiscriminate robot brutality) 11:19:19 as a species, we have achieved 33% of our goals 11:19:40 pretty good ratio imo 11:20:49 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:31 !tell wensley asdf 11:22:32 Wensley: OK, I'll let wensley know. 11:22:35 sdf 11:22:35 Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:23:31 oh the suspense! 11:23:37 what coudl it be!? 11:25:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:23 doop 11:25:23 Wensley: Silence. Communication is forbidden. 11:26:38 lol 11:28:04 help 11:28:04 elliott: Silence. Communication is forbidden. 11:28:20 <|amethyst> Wensley: err, what is going on? 11:28:44 what is happening!? 11:28:47 |amethyst: jsut teaching myself perl 11:28:50 -!- HangedMan is now known as GreatOrbOfEyes 11:29:07 <|amethyst> do you have to spam ##crawl to do it? :P 11:29:16 it's done! 11:29:19 and yes :) 11:29:19 -!- minqmay is now known as TARBALLPYTHON 11:29:23 <|amethyst> I mean, what's the intent of the message? 11:29:36 i think it only spammed people Wensley chose it to spam :P 11:29:45 * elliott lucky! 11:29:45 |amethyst: was trying to figure out how to get it to listen for a person 11:29:50 <|amethyst> ah 11:30:01 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:30:05 only elliott and hangedman were affected 11:30:14 also Wensley 11:30:41 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes is now known as HangedMan 11:33:32 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:34:02 -!- TARBALLPYTHON is now known as minqmay 11:35:25 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:48 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:36:53 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:37:19 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:29 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:40:10 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:45:27 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:40 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Client Quit] 11:51:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:54:32 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:14 -!- chewymouse has quit [Client Quit] 12:00:53 -!- Jaxy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:04:04 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:07:58 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:20:00 -!- TwistedSage has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:20:25 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:20:33 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:21:15 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:15 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:15 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:40 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21:40 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:05 -!- Video_Games has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:05 -!- djoor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24:45 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:27 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:33:16 -!- rzimodnar has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 12:34:55 BEAM_HOLY, CLOUD_HOLY_FLAMES, AF_HOLY and SPWPN_HOLY_WRATH are inconsistent. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6071) by CommanderC 12:36:23 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:36:58 -!- dptr1988_ is now known as dptr1988 12:39:34 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:23 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:41:34 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:42:09 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:42 Uhm yeah. 12:42:55 ? 12:43:06 That is a bit confusing. 12:44:03 -!- erisdiscordia_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:18 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:48:03 kilobyte: in 6e9b297 you gave all undead rPois+++ ... was this intentional? the commit message says nothing about it at all 12:48:11 %git 6e9b297 12:48:12 kilobyte * 0.11-a0-2957-g6e9b297: Don't use objects with strange constructors for storing monster resists. (3 weeks ago, 14 files, 136+ 304-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/6e9b297febed 12:49:22 I don't necessarily object to the change, but it seems sort of strange to me given all the things that only have rPois+ or rPois++ still 12:49:50 so I wanted to make sure it didn't just accidentally sneak into that several-hundred line commit 12:55:45 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:02 (a few monsters that don't have rPois+++ that seem at least as good candidates for it as generic undead: statues, vapours, elementals, green death) 13:01:59 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:24 |amethyst / edlothiol: how much more cpu/memory/bandwidth does a webtiles player use over a dgl player? 13:13:27 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:15:39 -!- RollieTG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 13:26:57 -!- andrew__ is now known as andrewhl 13:27:32 <|amethyst> not sure about bandwidth (that also depends on watchers and their interfaces), but CPU and memory should be pretty much equivalent, since it's the same crawl process underneath, and since webtiles and DGL both keep their data structures for all games, not just those they started 13:30:53 -!- Video_Games_ is now known as Video_Games 13:33:06 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:33:30 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 13:33:38 how long do browsers cache all the art assets? 13:40:50 <|amethyst> they're set to not be cached, but they should be loaded only once per session if I'm not mistaken 13:41:57 |amethyst: you can actually turn caching on (i.e. game_data_no_cache = False) 13:42:10 <|amethyst> edlothiol: not with the way I have webtiles trunk set up 13:42:37 |amethyst: aren't the game_data contents separate for each trunk revision? 13:42:50 <|amethyst> edlothiol: yes, but I have client_path = "/crawl-master/crawl-latest/data/web/" and the "crawl-latest" symlink changes 13:43:26 oh... why don't you compile with WEBDIR=... and remove the client_path setting? 13:43:49 (that could lead to problems if someone doesn't transfer their save) 13:45:24 <|amethyst> edlothiol: in the absence of client_path where does webtiles find the game_data? 13:45:42 if you have compiled the game with WEBDIR=..., it tells the server the path 13:45:49 <|amethyst> ohh 13:46:38 I admit that's not documented anywhere... 13:46:50 though I thought I had mentioned it 13:47:20 <|amethyst> oh, I am compiling with WEBDIR already 13:47:38 <|amethyst> so I should be able to just remove the client_path ? or is it being overridden by the WEBDIR? 13:48:25 <|amethyst> oh, no, if self.client_path == None 13:48:35 <|amethyst> so I'll just remove the client path and all should be good 13:48:37 yes 13:49:53 <|amethyst> hm 13:50:05 <|amethyst> what do the image URLs look like? 13:50:40 <|amethyst> I mean, is the full revision in the URL or just "dcss-git" ? 13:50:58 <|amethyst> because if the latter, that still means I need to leave caching off 13:51:41 like /gamedata/(sha-hash of the client_path)/floor.png 13:51:58 so neither, but it changes when the client path changes 13:52:15 <|amethyst> oh, good 13:52:26 so how long does *that* cache last? 13:53:08 Wensley: if the game_data_no_cache setting is disabled, no cache headers will be sent at the moment... so as long as the browser caches it 13:53:27 I should actually change that to forever, probably 13:54:07 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:02 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:55:04 -!- dg_ has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 13:56:10 -!- BrightCl1ud is now known as BrightCloud 13:56:21 <|amethyst> config updated; I'm not restarting the server just yet, but the change will be in place next time I do 13:56:28 edlothiol: at least for stable releases 13:57:31 <|amethyst> makes sense even for unstable, as long as the user is using a different client path for each new revision 13:57:45 <|amethyst> I guess not everyone does that, but they should turn off caching anyway 13:58:00 |amethyst: are you still specifying client_path for stable? if I change it to cache the game data forever, it would probably be good to use the same method as for trunk there 13:58:00 wait, who's the user here? :) 13:58:03 <|amethyst> s/but they/but if they don't they/ 13:58:12 <|amethyst> Wensley: err, webtiles admin 13:58:40 <|amethyst> edlothiol: none of them specify client_path in the current (not yet running) config 13:58:45 ok 13:59:02 <|amethyst> edlothiol: oh 13:59:08 |amethyst: just wondering if setting all art assets to be cached forever will cause trunk players to have x copies of all art assets in their browser cache, where x is the number of days they have been playing crawl 13:59:16 <|amethyst> edlothiol: but the client_path will be the same across stable upgrades 13:59:33 <|amethyst> edlothiol: because they go into just crawl-0.11, not crawl-0.11-revhash 13:59:33 hmm 13:59:39 -!- anubiscrapfoobis has quit [] 14:00:09 <|amethyst> edlothiol: disabling caching again :) 14:03:05 -!- Misder_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:05:54 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 14:07:17 kilobyte: what was the reasoning for 8046df72c2df? a lot of configs (e.g. mine :P) rely on not including a lot of those default files 14:07:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 14:09:48 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13:12 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:36 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 14:26:51 spider god proposal on forum 14:27:27 I'd like to make it an implementable (eventually, after discussion has died down). Of course I won't if developers object. 14:40:30 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:42:06 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:43:07 Sounds like a bit of a poisonous influence. 14:43:37 Huh? :) 14:45:40 ...the spider god. 14:46:17 have to try to make melee interesting when there are no weapons anymore 14:47:16 @whereis dpeg 14:47:18 dpeg the Destroyer (L10 OpCj), a worshipper of Vehumet, is currently in D (Sprint) after 593 turns. 14:48:32 I am here! 14:48:56 dpeg: I saw that your location was "D" on my player status page and didn't notice you were in sprint :P 14:49:20 so naturally I was curious where this mythical D place could be 14:49:24 where only D-peg could go 14:49:56 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:59 hehe 14:54:45 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:33 -!- KKCryptic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:59:15 -!- the_glow has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:01:52 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:18 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:09:10 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:10:47 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:13:02 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:15:05 -!- namad7 has quit [] 15:15:46 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:16:30 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:21:25 03edlothiol * rb5b7459297a9 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/process_handler.py: Webtiles: Fix idle times for games started from DGL. 15:25:58 -!- RollieTG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:28:16 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:51 !lg * cv=0.10 s=race 15:32:54 219936 games for * (cv=0.10): 25091x Demonspawn, 21917x Minotaur, 16927x Octopode, 16829x Deep Elf, 11344x Naga, 10900x Hill Orc, 10776x Spriggan, 10240x High Elf, 9683x Mummy, 8012x Draconian, 7942x Human, 7872x Vampire, 7535x Kobold, 7233x Merfolk, 6643x Tengu, 6385x Demigod, 5773x Ogre, 4991x Troll, 4828x Felid, 4687x Sludge Elf, 4166x Deep Dwarf, 2708x Centaur, 2496x Halfling, 2202x Ghoul, 337... 15:33:06 !lg * cv=0.9 s=race 15:33:07 189512 games for * (cv=0.9): 21227x Demonspawn, 19753x Deep Elf, 15729x Mountain Dwarf, 11276x Mummy, 10922x High Elf, 10145x Spriggan, 9981x Kobold, 9861x Vampire, 6698x Human, 6408x Minotaur, 6164x Sludge Elf, 5930x Troll, 5923x Merfolk, 5922x Naga, 5889x Draconian, 5686x Hill Orc, 5377x Kenku, 5201x Felid, 5148x Ogre, 4044x Deep Dwarf, 3937x Demigod, 2327x Halfling, 2061x Centaur, 1815x Ghoul, ... 15:34:32 !lg * !quit !left cv=0.9 s=crace 15:34:41 !lg * !quit !left cv=0.10 s=crace 15:34:43 162437 games for * (!quit !left cv=0.9): 17456x Demonspawn, 14653x Mountain Dwarf, 11803x Deep Elf, 10391x Mummy, 10051x High Elf, 9215x Kobold, 9211x Spriggan, 8890x Vampire, 6344x Draconian, 5994x Human, 5926x Minotaur, 5721x Sludge Elf, 5416x Naga, 5400x Troll, 5314x Merfolk, 5311x Hill Orc, 4848x Kenku, 4523x Ogre, 4520x Felid, 3273x Deep Dwarf, 2744x Demigod, 2127x Halfling, 1693x Centaur, 16... 15:34:48 wensley why do you always forget crace 15:34:52 195294 games for * (!quit !left cv=0.10): 21279x Demonspawn, 20503x Minotaur, 15259x Octopode, 14965x Deep Elf, 10305x Naga, 10195x Hill Orc, 9879x Draconian, 9847x Spriggan, 9595x High Elf, 8963x Mummy, 7235x Vampire, 6845x Kobold, 6623x Merfolk, 6610x Human, 6043x Tengu, 5034x Ogre, 4389x Troll, 4306x Sludge Elf, 4197x Felid, 3489x Deep Dwarf, 3290x Demigod, 2312x Centaur, 2187x Halfling, 1944x ... 15:36:12 03|amethyst * rfc704a080287 10/crawl-ref/source/ (ghost.cc monster.cc): Allow ghosts of good worshippers to remember their religion. 15:36:13 03|amethyst * rd2b6c5e7f1a7 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-speak.cc: Use the ghost's god, not the player's, for speech. 15:36:13 03|amethyst * rb2a473afeb30 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: God-specific player ghost speech (minmay, dpeg, Grunt). 15:36:25 HangedMan: because I do not control Sequell and thus do not have the power to make race the default 15:36:47 |amethyst: ghosts with religion whaaa 15:37:29 secret tech: suicide high-level healer ghosts throughout the dungeon to be your allies 15:38:07 03|amethyst * rd9e1c6edd17b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: A few more pieces of ghost speech (MyOtheHedgeFox). 15:41:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:41:50 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:44:11 -!- yxhvuud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:10 03|amethyst * r279e814fa865 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Remove a duplicated ghost speech line. 15:53:23 nice, many thanks 15:53:48 <|amethyst> Many more could be added 15:53:53 <|amethyst> Trog has only two 15:54:11 <|amethyst> but it's a good start :) 15:54:43 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 15:56:44 so will ghosts have god powers now? 15:57:05 the power of sermon for now 15:57:13 awesome 15:57:43 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:12 !tell Napkin playerstatus page is fixed, + a ton of improvements, + the two new servers 15:58:13 Wensley: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 15:58:57 !tell Napkin !tell in case you lost it, here's where it lives: https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-playerstatus 15:58:57 Wensley: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 15:59:34 also I meant to remark before, well done minotaurs for vaulting into second place in the popularity contest 15:59:48 it's almost as though nobody even remembers those funny little fellows who preceded them 15:59:57 er, what were they called 16:00:25 precipice elves, or something 16:02:37 I suppose we'll never know 16:02:39 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:02:49 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 16:04:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:38 -!- Patashu has quit [Client Quit] 16:08:56 -!- urthmover has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:10:48 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-36-g279e814 (33) 16:12:45 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12:52 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:14:59 -!- Video_Games has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:19:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:52 -!- Jaxy has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:11 <|amethyst> hm... webtiles shows duplicate entries for some players (dgl does not) 16:28:57 <|amethyst> and the sprint games aren't showing up in dgl 16:31:55 -!- Orionstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:01 <|amethyst> oddly, the duplicate player only has one socket and one inprogress file 16:34:33 yeah, it's probably the known ghost games problem 16:34:38 <|amethyst> s/player only has(.*)/players only have\1 each/ 16:34:55 i.e. CDO has similar games 16:34:59 which I haven't made any progress on at all so far :( 16:35:00 <|amethyst> so if I SIGTERM the server it gracefully shuts down, right? 16:35:12 <|amethyst> saving everyone's in-progress games, that is 16:35:37 yes 16:37:41 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:54 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:39:43 <|amethyst> edlothiol: there was at least one active game not showing up in dgl; the reconnected after I restarted webtiles and it shows up fine now 16:40:03 I've got one question with all the new servers: is it planned that their games will be counted and displayed on the akrasiac page? 16:40:06 hmm 16:40:58 <|amethyst> also, is there anything I can do to get existing dgl games to show up when doing a webtiles restart? I guess it's not safe to assume existing socket files are in use... 16:41:50 <|amethyst> dpeg: I'd expect so, since they're being included in the tournament 16:42:05 |amethyst: I would hope it is (the socket file _should_ get deleted even after a crash), but it probably isn't 16:42:24 the thing is, it shouldn't be necessary to restart the server very often 16:43:04 |amethyst: wonderful. 16:43:21 <|amethyst> dpeg: not sure what code does that, though, or who maintains it 16:44:09 * dpeg prays that CDO migration does not cause loss of games. 16:44:29 CDO is migrating what now? 16:44:54 hardware? 16:44:59 Are you thinking of CAO? 16:45:01 north for the winter 16:45:05 er, south 16:45:27 sorry, yes 16:45:42 <|amethyst> rax is paranoid about data loss, I'm sure it will be fine :) 16:46:00 <|amethyst> not like kilobyte accidentally nuking all trunk savegames on CDO :P 16:46:09 o_O 16:46:39 I've won my Sprint, now I can go home. See you later! 16:47:22 <|amethyst> Grunt: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/oops-untimely-death-of-many-souls-cdo 16:53:18 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:04 it should not take out save games 16:54:08 I may have missed smoething 16:54:18 but I have all of them in a padded protected box on the table right net to me 16:54:21 next 16:54:40 <|amethyst> dpeg: see, nothing to worry about :) 16:55:02 rax: and where are the other backups? :b 16:55:07 -!- PollyEsther_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:17 in Boston at a friend's house 16:56:41 -!- ohhaycutie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:57:26 -!- RollieTG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:58 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:28 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:07:26 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:31 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:36 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:55 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:09:56 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:13:43 |amethyst: do you still have the usernames that were showing ghost games on webtiles, and could I have the server log? 17:14:04 (should have written down the usernames, but forgot) 17:15:20 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/meta/tmp.log Aether ElMuncho and I think one or two more that I don't remember 17:15:28 <|amethyst> let me know when I can delete it 17:16:50 -!- phyphor_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:37 -!- phyphor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:37 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:37 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18:37 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18:58 |amethyst: wgot it! 17:19:36 <|amethyst> oh? 17:19:55 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:58 the log, I mean 17:20:13 <|amethyst> oh 17:20:43 thanks 17:20:52 -!- dptr1988_ is now known as dptr1988 17:20:54 <|amethyst> np 17:22:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 17:25:18 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:27:29 MarvinPA: unfinished, config files still need to be sanitized 17:28:44 MarvinPA: especially nonsense such as "lua_file = something" where seemingly overwriting the value has an unintuitive effect 17:32:36 -!- clam has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:33:11 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:49 <|amethyst> edlothiol: xnavy too 17:36:58 <|amethyst> edlothiol: also had a ghost game, I mean 17:37:23 <|amethyst> edlothiol: ElMuncho had two, but I believe one was a different game (spr-git vs spr-0.11 maybe?) 17:42:21 03edlothiol * rb838e9870992 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/process_handler.py: Webtiles: Log ProcessHandler id. 17:42:53 -!- phyphor_ is now known as phyphor 17:43:27 -!- buppy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:43:28 -!- dingir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:44:31 |amethyst: care to restart once more? this logging will hopefully help a lot to identify the problematic games 17:50:02 -!- KKCryptic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:51:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-37-gb838e98 (33) 17:53:50 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 17:56:03 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 17:56:10 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:44 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58:07 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:01:08 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Quit: I'm not sure I'm comfortable being a personification of Reiska's insecurities.] 18:07:07 -!- RollieTG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:20 -!- Lawman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:10:51 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Quit: TTFN!] 18:10:56 -!- CPickles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:40 -!- Svankensen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:17:15 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:21:41 -!- Pthing has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25:08 -!- Palyth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:27 <|amethyst> edlothiol: it's been restarted 18:26:34 <|amethyst> edlothiol: and hopefully should be announced in the future 18:27:51 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:50 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:02 hello? 18:33:35 some people have found the behavior of the sword of power have changed in trunk 18:34:30 I think I have read about it, but as we can't find commit, the question is "is it a bug that need to be raised?" 18:35:09 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:37:10 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:37:52 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:39:22 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:39:33 changed in what way? 18:40:13 reduced bonus 18:41:03 245 current and full hp on a wizmode'd merfolk, +14 18:41:28 Yeah, that feels inaccurate; I've had well over 300 HP and it still sat at +16 +16 18:41:39 I went BERSERK and it only went up to +16 +16 18:41:39 318 with ogre and it's +15 18:42:05 (in 0.10, with 200 hp, you got the +20 max bonus) 18:42:30 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:45:00 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:00 %git 76b6a5e1 18:51:22 galehar * 0.11-a0-1248-g76b6a5e: Use round close by default for the new stepdown function. (4 months ago, 2 files, 12+ 6-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/76b6a5e16e98 18:51:22 ? 18:52:35 hm, no 18:52:58 you know the commits number by hearts? 18:53:03 :p 18:53:06 but sword of power is currently using stepdown_value(-4 + (you.hp / 5), 4, 4, 4, 20); 18:53:14 haha, i just grepped the log for "stepdown" 18:53:19 and picked one 18:53:27 ok :) 18:53:45 -!- adamorjames has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 18:54:07 so it's unintended behavior? 18:54:11 -!- Tally has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:38 hm, actually stepdown_value is deprecated 18:54:53 -!- zub_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:55:26 i guess this didn't get ported to the new stepdown function 18:57:49 %git 81dbb70c 18:57:49 galehar * 0.11-a0-1180-g81dbb70: A smooth stepdown function. (4 months ago, 2 files, 38+ 47-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/81dbb70c507a 18:57:52 probably was this one 18:58:44 I add an entry in the bug tracker? 18:58:57 probably reasonable 18:59:07 ok 19:00:10 -!- ho has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:10 -!- ho has quit [Client Quit] 19:03:17 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:04 -!- Escalator has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:13 03evilmike * rf8f48ff69d1a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des l_you.cc): Sprint VI. 19:06:14 03evilmike * r51ce573d47a4 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Miscellaneous fixes to Sprint VI. 19:06:15 03evilmike * rf800e3490346 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Sprint VI: Fix lightning rounds and clarify the orb message. 19:06:25 03evilmike * rdb8739dcb143 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Decrease shop prices in sprint VI. 19:06:25 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:06:26 03evilmike * r43b61fe591ce 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Sprint VI: Rewrite the way monsters are picked, and increase spawn rate. 19:06:26 03evilmike * r36dabcd13f0d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Sprint VI: More misc fixes. 19:06:27 03evilmike * r113f73ccb09c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Sprint VI: Balance tweaks. 19:06:34 Oh, are we making major changes now? 19:06:35 <_< 19:07:05 to sprint vi, apparently 19:07:24 sprint is pretty isolated at least 19:07:26 -!- alefury|2 is now known as alefury 19:07:27 well, this is just the addition of a map, yeah 19:09:20 I'm going to start adding some of the vaults on mantis soon too, I wanted to do my stuff first though :P 19:10:29 whats the plan btw? i was gone for a week, and i saw you finally branched *g* 19:10:52 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-44-g113f73c (33) 19:11:35 -!- BlackSheep has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:37 the plan is to release 0.11 before we release 0.12 and to release 0.12 before we release 0.13... 19:13:01 riiiight 19:13:30 hrm, autopickup loops are still there 19:13:43 so cao is down, s-z steps in, tourney in late august? release in a week or so? 19:14:24 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 19:14:43 cao is going to come back soon 19:14:58 ??denial 19:14:59 I don't have a page labeled denial in my learndb. 19:15:38 oh, also, isnt the survey going to close soon? 19:16:00 was planned to close after the tourney, right? 19:16:08 * alefury wants results 19:17:09 new survey? 19:17:20 a bit soon, dont you think? 19:17:38 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:17:48 or is it an old survey that's been open for a while? 19:18:36 some month is a while? 19:18:45 since last tourney i think 19:18:55 so ~6 months 19:18:55 new to me, perhaps :P 19:18:58 oh, okay 19:19:16 i thought i saw the results from the last one 19:19:28 and I support alefury 19:19:48 who will have to check the results? 19:20:16 i think Wensley handled most of the survey stuff, together with dpeg? 19:20:23 what, me? no 19:20:25 i dont know who will evaluate it 19:20:29 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:20:48 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:06 Wensley: you didnt set up the survey? who did, then? 19:21:51 was it napkin or rax? 19:21:58 nah 19:22:04 not me 19:22:28 maybe everyone just forgot to set up the survey and assumed that someone else was handling it 19:22:31 Wensley: did you mean ??denial to claim that CAO is not coming back? 19:22:32 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:22:38 strange behavior of the sword (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6072) by Cedor 19:22:41 -!- Rebthor_ is now known as Rebthor 19:22:47 because we just spent like $4000 on this goddamn machine, I promise we are hosing a crawl server on it ;) 19:22:48 rax: as a joke, yes :) 19:22:59 rax: whooa 19:23:22 it also hosts ten other VMs 19:23:30 rax: I'll get started on the 3D-accelerated crawl frontend for 0.12 19:23:35 but the major use of disk, RAM, and CPU is crawl 19:23:47 100 crawl processes at the start of a tournament is way, way more resource-intensive than you think 19:24:03 rax: going to host webtiles? 19:24:10 rax: but hurry up and come back so that I can fill my player status page with even more servers 19:25:26 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:26:04 rax: I hope your colocation fees are reasonable if you're spending that much on the hardware alone... 19:28:18 03evilmike * rbbf79be50077 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Fix a small aesthetic mistake. 19:30:43 -!- joosa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:57 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:31:05 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:12 -!- Svankensen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:34:04 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:35:26 Wensley: Yes, and we rent out VMs which helps a lot 19:35:30