00:01:27 <|amethyst> what about a circle-packing layout?  like bailey_axe_minmay_hex_keep but more irregular?
00:04:30 <kilobyte> could be good
00:07:07 <bmh> |amethyst: like you have a square and you try to place non-overlapping circles at random?
00:07:31 <bmh> would that look better than say, square packing
00:08:09 <DracoOmega> You could use a variety of shapes in the same generation, no?
00:08:24 <|amethyst> bmh: not entirely random, because you try to make each circle osculate with at least one of the previous circles
00:08:36 <|amethyst> bmh:  and put a door or passage there
00:09:05 <|amethyst> with give a level with distinct rooms but no real hallways
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00:09:53 <bmh> |amethyst: you could place an object and then place another object along the exterior edge of the level
00:10:11 <bmh> it would presumably make the hit detection easier and reduce the number of rejections
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00:10:48 <Lightli> Ok, FINALLY won a MuSu.
00:10:53 <Lightli> Go ahead and nerf them now :P
00:12:21 <|amethyst> btw, I keep wanting to call Necromutation "Necropotence"
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00:12:40 <|amethyst> FR: Serendib Efreet, with the wrong tile
00:12:51 <bmh> |amethyst: ugh. :)
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00:26:35 <Lightli> Empt.
00:26:38 <Lightli> *y
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00:58:07 <Cheibriados> Inter-Level Travel can't find up exit (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6052) by codrus
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02:33:48 <Cheibriados> Ant Vault bugs (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6053) by codrus
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03:43:35 <Henzell> MorganLeah the Executioner (L21 MiFi) ASSERT(!constricting) in 'monster.cc' at line 137 failed on turn 50899. (D:27)
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04:51:51 <CIA-23> 03edlothiol * ra4452ec129f3 10/crawl-ref/source/tileweb.cc: Fix and simplify the sending of the map in webtiles.
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05:00:04 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-3169-ga6f323e
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05:36:15 <elderman> Hello folks.  Running into a crash after building from git master.
05:36:41 <elderman> "ASSERT(sqlite3_threadsafe()) in 'database.cc' at line 335 failed."
05:36:59 <elderman> Crash data at: http://pastebin.com/yjU0aBSd
05:39:03 <edlothiol> did you build with sqlite3 from contribs or from your system? (what OS are you building on?)
05:39:28 <elderman> Linux Mint 13 XFCE
05:39:50 <elderman> I just updated and thought I'd installed all the prereqs but may have missed something
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05:40:45 <elderman> Looks like I was building with sqlite3 from contribs
05:40:51 <elderman> As I hadn't installed it yet
05:41:08 <edlothiol> is that an old git checkout?
05:41:19 <elderman> Up to date.
05:42:04 <kilobyte> you may have old contribs, as they don't update automatically
05:42:15 <edlothiol> that's what I was getting at
05:42:15 <kilobyte> git submodule update --init
05:42:47 <elderman> I did 'make clean' before building
05:42:58 <elderman> ok
05:43:40 <kilobyte> if submodules were not current, please "make clean-contrib" too
05:44:18 <kilobyte> (it's better to install system libraries, too -- less place for error, less wasted disk space, faster compiles)
05:44:42 <elderman> git didn't know what to do with "make clean-contrib"
05:45:13 <elderman> oh, nevermind
05:45:18 <elderman> wrong directory
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05:54:26 <elderman> That worked.  Thanks edlothiol and kilobyte.
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08:32:31 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte * rda49e36a81d2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (27 files): Make inline functions static.
08:32:32 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte * r4a61b4e1c3ef 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.h: Fix conflicting declarations of ends_with().
08:32:32 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte * r3bb349f0eebf 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc: Don't mess with other resistances when giving a pghost a vulnerability.
08:32:33 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte * r2be3a4346388 10/crawl-ref/source/tileweb.cc: Fix two signedness warnings.
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09:29:25 <Cheibriados> New GUI tiles, ability & invocation tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6054) by dd
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09:43:38 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-3174-g3bb349f (33)
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09:58:19 <CIA-23> 03Grunt * rdba5ced81420 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: On OS X 10.8, use the correct path for Xcode SDKs.
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11:12:13 <Lightli> Anyone here?
11:13:55 <Grunt> No.
11:13:57 <Grunt> <_<
11:14:30 <Lightli> So I finally won a MuSu
11:15:03 <Lightli> Game refused to give me sustain abilities for Horrible Things, Haunt, and even Ugly Things
11:15:12 <HangedMan> now six of the continents can fall into the sea and the fish can reclaim the earth
11:15:22 <Lightli> I was literally relying on Hydra to carry me through to Summon Dragons.
11:15:43 <Lightli> ^What continent doesn't go back into the sea?
11:16:05 <HangedMan> mummies don't get sick so why would you need sustab for haunt, summon ugly thing doesn't even have a downside attached
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11:16:22 <Lightli> ^I meant sustain abilities for Horrible Things
11:16:52 <Lightli> Never saw Haunt or Ugly Things for a long time
11:17:00 <ChrisOelmueller> what is the point you're trying to make and that nobody else will see?
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11:17:15 <Lightli> That I had to use hydra to kill dudes.
11:17:25 <Lightli> And then dragons.
11:17:34 <HangedMan> stellar
11:17:52 <ChrisOelmueller> well that sounds bad, i recommend filing a ticket
11:18:29 <Lightli> Also, I made one really huge blunder. I never bought the haste wand from Orc 4 for some reason.
11:18:48 <Lightli> !log
11:18:48 <Sequell> 913. Lightli, XL24 MuSu, T:84136: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Lightli/morgue-Lightli-20120809-050929.txt
11:19:00 <Lightli> To be fair, I realized that...literally just before I won.
11:19:07 <ChrisOelmueller> i still don't see what you're doing in -dev for this conversation but go on
11:19:42 <Lightli> Point is you guys can now nerf Summoning as much as you want
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11:24:15 <ontoclasm> i think there's a bug with greedy_sacrificable
11:24:59 <ontoclasm> standing on a corpse and pressing o causes it to repeatedly reprint the "Things that are here:" message and not move anywhere
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11:25:22 <ontoclasm> presumably the same happens for other saccable things
11:26:37 <HangedMan> it is good to hear feedback from the center of the universe
11:26:55 <ontoclasm> ?
11:27:06 <ontoclasm> i'm like, two feet to the left of the center
11:27:20 <HangedMan> yes, the other thing in the center
11:27:21 <Gretell> Flaco (L27 MuNe) ASSERT(mon.alive()) in 'misc.cc' at line 2447 failed. (Abyss)
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11:33:40 <|amethyst> ontoclasm:  I already !told galehar, but I imagine he's still in vacation
11:33:58 <ontoclasm> aha
11:34:17 <|amethyst> that said, if it's not fixed before the branch, definitely report it on mantis
11:34:36 <|amethyst> (the branch = this weekend)
11:34:46 <|amethyst> assuming all goes well
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12:10:53 <Grunt> %git a6f323ef
12:12:06 <Cheibriados> galehar * 0.11-a0-3169-ga6f323e: A few fixes to greedy_sacrificiable. (18 hours ago, 5 files, 22+ 10-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/a6f323efd0d2
12:12:06 <Grunt> Is the problem before or after that commit?
12:12:21 <|amethyst> both
12:12:54 <|amethyst> AFAIK it's been there since greedy_sacrificiable was introduced
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15:16:29 <Lightli> Ello?
15:16:37 <Grunt> Lightli: who are you again?
15:16:53 <Lightli> Lightli
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16:30:42 <galehar> ontoclasm: I guess I should flag items as visited in this case, but I wonder: why don't you sacrifice the corpse?
16:31:04 <ontoclasm> oh, i do
16:31:19 <ontoclasm> i just fogot once and got the bug
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16:31:22 <ontoclasm> forgot*
16:31:50 <ontoclasm> if you sac every item it takes you to i guess you'll never hit it
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16:32:27 <Grunt> galehar, I think there should be a prompt along the lines of,
16:32:42 <Grunt> "There [is an item|are items] here you can sacrifice; ignore it?"
16:32:53 <ontoclasm> that sounds right
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16:43:15 <galehar> hmm, right. Like there is for autopickup
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16:45:14 <HangedMan> said autopickup prompt is quite annoying when it only wants capital Y/N
16:48:59 <galehar> oh right, it's one of those harmless prompt that's uselessly careful
16:49:12 <galehar> no reason to, should be chaned
16:49:16 <galehar> *changed
16:50:05 <galehar> well, I have a problem. I can't add a "visited" flag to the item, the item flags is saturated
16:50:15 <galehar> change it to 64 bits?
16:50:31 <galehar> maybe not for 0.11 though
16:50:56 <Zannick> isn't "visited" a stash property?
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16:51:15 <Zannick> specifically for autoexplore
16:52:32 <galehar> not really
16:53:08 <galehar> I tried to hack visiting sacrificiable into stash visiting, specifically to avoid this issue, but it was quite bad
16:53:26 <Zannick> i remember it from the last time i looked at an autoexplore bug visiting things too often
16:54:33 <galehar> it's not a "property" that can be set.
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16:57:58 <galehar> I guess I could mark it has dropped for now as a workaround
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17:06:53 <ChrisOelmueller> i like this behavior better than the "intended" one
17:07:05 <ChrisOelmueller> except for ely-ites repeatedly running into traps
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17:17:23 <kilobyte> galehar, |amethyst, others: care to talk for a bit about config syntax?
17:17:24 <Henzell> kilobyte: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them.
17:17:48 <galehar> kilobyte: sorry no, I have to sleep
17:18:04 <galehar> but I've already given my opinion
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17:18:24 <galehar> about =, += and -=
17:19:03 <kilobyte> I thought about it quite a bit, and it seems that += would confuse people a lot
17:19:29 <kilobyte> it seems to be intuitive from a mathematics point of view, but doesn't fit a config file that well
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17:20:28 <kilobyte> my current preference would be no operator at all
17:20:40 <galehar> ok, I can stay awake a bit more :)
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17:21:24 <kilobyte> there are only two lists where order matters: fire_order and dump_order, and both look more like string options than lists
17:21:30 <CIA-23> 03galehar * r03db3e267a8f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (religion.cc religion.h stash.cc stash.h travel.cc travel.h): Some optimizations to the greedy_sacrificiable.
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17:22:24 <kilobyte> so having += extend string options would be enugh for these
17:23:05 <kilobyte> there is one problem now, though: how to clear a list without the operator?
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17:24:22 <kilobyte> using = has an additional problem: it was (and even still is) used to denote _adding_ something to a list, so I'd be reluctant to assign it a destructive behaviour
17:24:44 <edlothiol> "clear (option)"?
17:26:03 <kilobyte> edlothiol: the reverse of what I was thinking of :p
17:26:48 <galehar> option clear
17:26:52 <kilobyte> better than "(option) clear", in case you want to assign the string "clear" to something (like autopickup_exception clear, as in a clear potion)
17:27:20 <edlothiol> and even if you don't want to, it could be misconstrued as such
17:27:22 <galehar> how do you remove something from a list?
17:27:24 <kilobyte> hmm, clear potions are no more (always identified)
17:27:35 <galehar> option -item?
17:27:57 <edlothiol> if we have that, we could also do "option -*"
17:28:11 <galehar> we could probably allow both syntax
17:28:11 <edlothiol> "clear option" is much... clearer, though
17:29:48 <galehar> or maybe have just "option" alone on the line to clear it
17:31:50 <kilobyte> I wonder whether to preserve old "option = another item" to reduce the amount of editing needed
17:32:30 <kilobyte> can be somewhat misleading for new users, though
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17:36:53 <kilobyte> ok, dead tired, I'll try to find some time tomorrow
17:37:26 <kilobyte> (unless one of you decides that the no-operator idea sucks halfling balls, and/or someone has a better idea)
17:41:13 <ChrisOelmueller> how many config files are expected to need fixes that are more serious than replacing some '=' with '+='?
17:41:35 <ChrisOelmueller> might even automate that for the servers at least to some degree as part of the upgrade process?
17:42:10 <galehar> I like the no operator
17:42:12 <CIA-23> 03translators * r9422009104a5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (branches.txt features.txt items.txt monsters.txt unident.txt): Updated english descriptions (Grimm).
17:42:44 <galehar> concision is always good, so no character is better than a useless one!
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17:43:49 <galehar> backward compatibility is good to, so keeping the meaning of = could be good
17:44:41 <edlothiol> I'd keep it, but document it as obsolete and maybe remove it in a few versions
17:45:28 <kilobyte> ChrisOelmueller: at the very least, includes need to be removed
17:45:44 <kilobyte> (like in every major release so far, though)
17:46:05 <|amethyst> how about := to set it
17:46:13 <|amethyst> including  foo :=   to clear
17:46:36 <kilobyte> currently := is used for aliasing options
17:46:51 <|amethyst> hrm
17:46:58 <kilobyte> (probably not used by anything but our scripts, for renaming autopickup_exception)
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17:54:16 <Wensley> no operator is good operator
18:04:58 <Gretell> Kellhus (L19 TrMo) ASSERT(item.is_valid(iinfo)) in 'tags.cc' at line 2682 failed. (D:24)
18:06:03 <edlothiol> !lm Kellhus crash -log
18:06:04 <Sequell> 9. Kellhus, XL19 TrMo, T:49224 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Kellhus/crash-Kellhus-20120809-230454.txt
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18:22:45 <Grunt> I'm spotting some typos and other errors in that recent translation commit.
18:23:18 <Grunt> I surmise that they're being synced from elsewhere? There's a bug related to one of the changes that's been reintroduced.
18:23:44 <Grunt> (To wit: the warnings for the Book of Annihilations and the Grand Grimoire are handled by the code and shouldn't be present in the descriptions.)
18:24:36 <kilobyte> I spotted a regression in the .pl translation, it's possible there ones elsewhere, including .en
18:27:00 <kilobyte> I see no English changes in 2f7c5b71
18:27:43 <Grunt> To be clear, I'm referring to 94220091.
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18:28:42 <Grunt> I guess it's not exactly a translations commit per se (though it is a translators commit).
18:28:55 <kilobyte> oh, didn't notice that
18:29:16 <kilobyte> there are other regressions, like claiming there's only one demonic rune
18:30:09 <kilobyte> or, suggesting that permanent bazaars "don't stay in one place very long"
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18:31:54 <kilobyte> beh, it butchers quite a number of other descriptions as well
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