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I just wrote a patch to crawl! 06:20:53 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:22:46 yay! (bad time i think, but go on) 06:23:16 you can submit it to mantis: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis 06:23:32 report issue, choose patch as report type 06:23:51 unless its a bugfix it will probably take a while for someone to take a look though 06:24:06 if it is a bugfix, attach it to the bug it fixes and add a note to the report 06:24:40 0.11 release is coming up, so until 0.11 is branched no new features are supposed to go in 06:25:14 also talking about it here is always good :) 06:27:14 thx 06:30:01 if you have a tavern account that login will also work for mantis 06:30:18 (and vice versa) 06:33:09 Well, it is just a 1-liner: http://pastebin.com/TJhxszsV 06:33:21 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:33:42 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:34:17 what does it do? stimulate xom obviously, but when? 06:34:51 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:38:17 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:06 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 06:51:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:10 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 06:57:10 When you see a monster that is new and notewortjy/ 06:57:19 I was just playing, worshipper of Xom, Xom was BORED with me. 06:57:23 So I plunged down a couple of levels. 06:57:36 It *used* to be that going to a previously unvisited level would sometimes stimulate him. Not sure if that is still there. 06:57:41 Anyway, that didn't work, but then I encountered an NPC. 06:57:50 So I thought: Hey, xom ought to be interested in this. 06:58:08 what's "noteworthy"? 06:58:59 Not entirely sure what determined it, but it means it appearas in your character log. 06:58:59 bbiab 06:59:22 oh, "extremely dangerous" monsters? 06:59:25 -!- karoru has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:59:36 <|amethyst> err 06:59:46 <|amethyst> you can set options that make every monster noteworthy 06:59:58 <|amethyst> that should not affect Xom interest, obviously 07:00:18 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:01:17 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:01:20 -!- st_ has quit [] 07:06:34 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:07:03 Ah, good point. 07:07:07 How is Xom doing, anyway? 07:07:18 I'm kind of the primary designer of the current incarnation of Xom. 07:07:22 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:25 (Unless he's mutated a lot since then.) 07:07:31 And I wonder how he is working in practice. 07:07:35 ...oh, HousePet? 07:07:49 I was just playing and he totally destroyed me by surrounding me with demons too powerful for me when I had no escape magic. 07:07:57 I don't know "HousePet". 07:08:43 |amethyst: hm, I don't think a noteworthiness setting would affect the code path I used in that one-line patch, but I'm not 100% sure. 07:09:08 <|amethyst> zooko: it would 07:09:25 <|amethyst> zooko: see mark_interesting_monst, which sets MF_INTERESTING 07:09:38 -!- HellTiger has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:38 -!- vev has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:38 -!- rawrmage has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:38 -!- Dixie has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- Ragnor has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- crate_ has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- Mottie has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- scrubnub has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- galehar has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- jarpiain has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- CampinSam has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:39 -!- eki has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:40 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:40 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:40 -!- violetj has quit [*.net *.split] 07:09:45 ...what, the patch wasn't for just stuff the difficulty evaluator marks as extremely dangerous or uniques? 07:09:45 <|amethyst> (which is what MONST_INTERESTING() checks) 07:09:46 |amethyst: okay, I get it. 07:10:11 -!- rawrmage has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:11 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:11 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:11 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:11 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:11 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:11 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:11 -!- violetj has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:15 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:28 -!- eki has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:10:28 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:10:30 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10:37 HangedMan: I guess I put the xom_is_stimulated() in the wrong place. 07:10:44 apparently 07:11:18 How do I invoke the difficulty evaluator? 07:11:23 <|amethyst> zooko: maybe in seen_monster have a separate if (mons_threat_level(mons) == MTHRT_NASTY) 07:11:33 Sounds good! Thanks. 07:11:53 <|amethyst> you'd also want something like && mons->behaviour != BEH_FRIENDLY 07:12:02 You know that xom_is_stimulated has its own internal dampening/hysteresis so maybe I'll just put xom_is_stimulated(mons_threat_level(mons)) 07:12:23 Well, this would be in the "haven't seen this type of monster before", so I think Xom should be stimulated even if it is friendly. 07:12:44 <|amethyst> that's "haven't seen this monster before" 07:12:58 Ohhh 07:13:01 Thanks. 07:13:22 Hm. 07:14:45 Okay, I guess I'll go with |amethyst's suggestion. Something like MTHRT_NASTY => xom_is_stimulated(255). 07:14:54 Also if it is a previously unseen NPC. 07:15:01 <|amethyst> 255 is very high 07:15:05 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:23 <|amethyst> nothing currently goes above 200 AFAICT 07:15:25 Yes, it's pretty much max, isn't it? 07:15:27 Oh, okay. 07:15:46 There is a random selection evenly distributed from 0 to that number inside xom_is_stimulated, so... 07:15:55 I dunno, is there anything more exciting than MTHRT_NASTY? 07:15:57 * zooko looks. 07:16:01 <|amethyst> 200 is for things like "Abyss shifted while the rune was in view" 07:16:22 How about 100 for MTHRT_NASTY then? 07:16:37 I have the vague sense that Xom is too hard to stimulate. 07:17:16 After all, stimulating Xom hardly helps you. 07:17:22 It just avoids Xom BOREDOM. 07:17:29 <|amethyst> true 07:17:59 there are endless amounts of potential effects he could have, really 07:19:07 HangedMan: stimulating Xom doesn't make him more likely to take effect, nor more powerful, nor more nice, *except* inasmuch as it delays his eventual boredom. 07:19:30 So, IMHO a player who isn't being really cautious should not have too hard of a time getting Xom stimulated. 07:19:46 hmm, fair point 07:21:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:21:32 -!- galehar has left ##crawl-dev 07:21:35 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- HellTiger has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- vev has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- rawrmage has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- Dixie has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- crate_ has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- Mottie has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:35 -!- galehar has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:36 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:36 -!- jarpiain has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:36 -!- CampinSam has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:36 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:36 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:36 -!- violetj has quit [*.net *.split] 07:21:49 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22:28 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:28 -!- rawrmage has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:28 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:28 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:28 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:28 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:28 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:28 -!- violetj has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:35 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:43 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:23:57 http://pastebin.com/QSzdPaH9 07:24:06 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:14 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:26:20 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:00 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:30 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:44 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30:07 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:35:01 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:44:18 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:53:17 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:55 -!- zooko has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:55:05 -!- zooko has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:44 http://pastebin.com/1evstwUr 07:56:47 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:57 Oops, that one doesn't compile... 07:58:21 http://pastebin.com/S1BcQXRg 08:10:35 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:15:06 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:16:46 -!- CrazyJew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:06 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:19 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:32:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36:34 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:38:14 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:45:04 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:09 -!- Camicio1000 has quit [] 08:54:42 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:54:49 -!- Lucas_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54:58 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:07 -!- mhss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:59:19 zooko: this should be inside did_god_conduct 09:00:25 Eh, that call to did_god_conduct there is guarded by all sorts of predicates... 09:00:34 which are good 09:00:38 * zooko looks 09:01:00 also, I'm not sure Xom should be really excited when you spot sleeping monsters 09:01:46 could be quite scummable to dive with a stealthy char 09:01:58 Nah, nothing involving Xom stimulation is scummable. 09:02:05 todo: figure out how to amuse Xom when you wake up a door vault. 09:02:23 Xom stimulation doesn't give you anything, it just delays a particularly nasty thing. 09:02:27 It is sort of like hunger in that regard. 09:02:40 I don't think that's true 09:02:47 Xome is the god of scumming 09:02:48 Really? It was true last time I looked... 09:03:11 xomscumming ignores interest and also self-preservation sooooo 09:03:11 Although, yes, I remember lots of players spending lots of effort "scumming" Xom stimulation, which I always thought was hilarious because it didn't actually help them. 09:03:15 for example, you can pillar dance an ogre to keep tension high and get gifts 09:03:25 random energy 09:03:39 galehar: unless it has changed since I touched it, Xom stimulation did not increase the rate or value of gifts. 09:03:48 HangedMan: it works with the monster in LOS. Can be at the edge 09:03:54 If it does, then yes, it is a lot trickier to balance Xom stimulation... 09:04:14 xom is more tension based now but that doesn't make those gifts any more reliable then anything else xom can do 09:04:21 maybe I'm mistaken, haven't really tested it. But I would be warry of that 09:04:21 much less those gifts even being any good 09:04:28 * zooko looks at xom.cc 09:04:50 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:04:50 Oh, yeah, bummer. 09:04:59 Someone has indeed made it so that Xom is scummable. 09:05:16 xom has always been scummable! 09:05:21 (zooko's idea disappears in a puff of smoke. Xom thinks this is hilarious!) 09:05:28 Heh heh heh. 09:05:32 Not when I touched him last. 09:05:56 there are so many things that can interrupt ogre pillar dancing that trying to game it for gifts is about as reliable as spardiving 09:05:58 Anyway, there are two kinds of scumming that we're talking about here -- one is keeping the tension high, the other is stimulating Xom. 09:10:52 -!- ac13_ is now known as ac13 09:13:43 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:34 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:17:37 just did some local attempts at tension scumming (spriggan and dozens of crystal golems, which seems to count as top tension for screaming sword) and not a single item gift was given 09:18:41 -!- Letchik has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:18:54 There is a bonus to your effective piety due to current tension in the code. 09:19:00 I just removed it from my version... 09:20:44 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:25:39 http://pastebin.com/XSkXscgb 09:25:44 if you're curious... 09:26:30 -!- barbs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:33:32 ...tensionscumming for xom stimulation seems to be worthless because a: no gifts b: if you can reliably and constantly keep up tension just so xom will in/directly kill monsters you can either easily kill or avoid said monsters 09:34:17 so it does not seem to be an issue at all compared to banishment or extremely long confusion or whatever 09:34:33 -!- _dd has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:36:24 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:32 Good arguments. 09:42:15 Hm. 09:42:18 Maybe I'll put it back. 09:49:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:50:53 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:47 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 09:59:00 Nah, I like it better with tension not affecting Xom's niceness. 10:09:42 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:04 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:04 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2946-g7b7f8cc (33) 10:23:06 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:07 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27:05 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:09 No, maybe I'll put it back. 10:31:07 <|amethyst> make sure you add this: 10:31:10 <|amethyst> ??epic bugs[1] 10:31:11 epic bugs[1/5]: if (you.religion = GOD_XOM) 10:31:15 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:47 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:49 :-) 10:34:07 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:24 Okay, I put back the tension-leads-to-niceness effect. 10:34:24 http://pastebin.com/hsvXxzq0 10:34:36 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:35:00 -!- Arengor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:35:00 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:35:27 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:37:45 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:00 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:47:51 -!- Orionstein1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:52:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has left ##crawl-dev 10:52:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:49 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:31 -!- mhss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:04:58 |amethyst: something iffy with _previous_abyss_feature: http://pastebin.com/e5r5U35J 11:05:48 note that the fix isn't even perfect because of rain 11:06:28 I think we need a boolean grid map to keep track of changed cells in _abyss_apply_terrain 11:07:36 also, it would be better to move monsters after the morph, like we do for items. Otherwise, a monster can be pushed several time in one morph 11:08:04 !tell amethyst: something iffy with _previous_abyss_feature: http://pastebin.com/e5r5U35J 11:08:09 <|amethyst> galehar: hm 11:08:25 I don't grok. Syntax is !tell PERSON MESSAGE. 11:10:45 last thing, the player should be pushed too 11:11:11 <|amethyst> galehar: this would prevent the thing where ammo never lands on water? 11:11:27 that's the point, yes 11:11:34 <|amethyst> what's the problem? 11:11:43 <|amethyst> I mean, with what you posted 11:11:56 it doesn't work on deep water 11:12:04 at least in my test it didn't 11:12:14 look at the log at the bottom 11:12:14 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:19 <|amethyst> it shows the dart being pushed 11:12:24 <|amethyst> oh 11:12:33 <|amethyst> you threw something onto deep water? 11:12:36 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:36 yes 11:12:43 <|amethyst> hm 11:12:54 <|amethyst> _previous_abyss_feature should have been deep water 11:13:08 <|amethyst> unless it really did change on the very same turn 11:13:14 it didn't 11:13:39 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:10 <|amethyst> or if there was something with rain as you said 11:15:02 no I didn't use rain 11:15:35 <|amethyst> hrm 11:15:35 what I meant was that even if this fix were working properly, it would behave badly with rain (pushing items out of rained cells) 11:16:17 which is why a boolean grid map to keep track of changed cells would be more reliable 11:16:32 and would allows us to do the actor pushing after the end of the morph 11:16:35 <|amethyst> wouldn't you need both that and the last-tick information? 11:16:42 yes 11:16:49 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:17:13 have to go though 11:17:15 <|amethyst> oh 11:17:20 'later 11:17:29 <|amethyst> the previous tick info is actually probably *this* tick 11:17:36 <|amethyst> because of when _push_items is called 11:17:43 <|amethyst> I'll look into it 11:18:41 <|amethyst> actually, why not have only walls push? 11:19:07 <|amethyst> I guess lava could be problematic still 11:20:08 <|amethyst> but water doesn't actually destroy items... if something does get flooded, it will probably be uncovered eventually (you might get a new abyss area before then; but that's always a possibility) 11:21:59 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:46 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:57 03|amethyst * r3588bfac9baa 10/crawl-ref/source/dbg-scan.cc: Don't treat "Skybugg" and "Foobola" as buggy. 11:27:57 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:05 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:31:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:57 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:39:03 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39:33 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:17 -!- ark_____ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:07 -!- ark____ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:48:06 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:53:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:53:48 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:55:37 -!- Textmode has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:59:11 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:10 -!- Textmode_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:24 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:21 -!- zooko has left ##crawl-dev 12:05:41 -!- Textmode_ has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:06:28 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:54 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41:18 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:19 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52:41 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:06 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:05 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:23 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:14:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:19:18 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:34:10 -!- elliott has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:36:15 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:38:37 03|amethyst * r0ee2be6e2cf4 10/crawl-ref/source/view.cc: Keep player colour during flash, too (console). 14:07:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:37 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:22 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:55 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:07 -!- johnthebear has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:27 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:27:16 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:28:37 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:33:06 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:41:01 -!- ZuriZ has quit [Quit: Trolling Time Wait What...] 14:53:34 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:05 -!- Lucas_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:57:07 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08:04 -!- enigmoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:18 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:10:44 -!- omnirizon has quit [] 15:12:14 |amethyst: initially, morphing destroyed almost all items and it was very bare. Maybe I overdid it when I introduced pushing. 15:12:38 Especially now that there are bursts, having only wall push should be fine 15:15:14 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:45 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:36 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:33:38 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33:42 -!- Deathmic has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Although, I think louise is interesting enough in her current incarnation 17:39:28 erm, trog/yred qwarves 17:39:36 HangedMan: well they are pretty lousy monsters even in those limited places 17:39:38 Grunt: that seems weird, though, at least flavorwise 17:39:49 and possibly balance-wise :P 17:40:06 though if they're using their escape option it probably isn't that awful 17:40:29 If they're using it at all, it's as an escape option. 17:40:39 ...so when you find them later, you're likely to just finish beating them up. 17:40:43 I wouldn't want to go and make every god have a monster associated with it 17:41:00 evilmike: or vice versa. 17:41:11 heh, yeah 17:41:14 xom's playthings would be fairly funny 17:41:18 one area I do see a lot of potential is demigods 17:41:29 take the old idea of gods sending their minions after you, give them god powers 17:41:49 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:42:55 -!- ark_____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:28 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:17 how well does imprison work when a monster casts it on you? this seems like an effect that would help you more often than not 17:44:18 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:45:19 I guess the thing to do would be to set the priest to flee if they successfully imprison something and there's nothing else hostile in sight. 17:45:38 It would probably work best in its current form if you have a horde of weak followers and are doing most of the fighting yourself. 17:45:57 ...imagine the walls coming down to find all of your imps are now pillars of salt :) 17:46:45 might work if the AI is smart about when to use it. you still have to consider that the imprisoned player will heal, recover mp, etc.. 17:47:25 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:36 while the others can gain time surrounding the player 17:51:47 I'm also thinking that it might be weird for holies to use TSO/Zin/Ely powers. These are creatures aligned to their gods, but they aren't the same thing as regular worshippers (except Paladins, I guess) 17:52:25 like, it would make sense for daevas to stay smite-machines, and not gain recite, or divine shield, or whatever 17:52:56 * Grunt recalls getting Mennas to Recite at one point. That was quickly disabled afterwars. 17:53:02 *afterwards 17:55:37 Well, flavor-wise, it's arguable that even regular worshippers may not get those powers. The player is presumably special in some way, in the first place. Plenty of people might worship these gods without all of them being granted all kinds of invocations as a result of this 17:56:20 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:59:29 I suspect that mennas's confuse spell was given to him with recite in mind 17:59:47 "Mennas calls down the wrath of Zin upon you. You are confused." 18:03:06 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:10:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:11:13 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 18:15:57 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:49 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:28 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:29 mennas really doesn't need confuse 18:33:44 and recite makes no sense for him anyways 18:34:10 and he can't really benefit from vitality, so 18:34:45 clearly he will imprison those kiting conjurer jerks 18:34:54 also i think imprisonment should be a cage rather than walls; make it break once you have been 'sufficiently punished' or something 18:34:58 (take X damage) 18:37:25 isnt mennas tongue cut out? so giving him recite would be incredibly silly. 18:37:32 in a bad way 18:37:36 good night 18:37:39 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:38:44 mennas already has recite 18:38:53 he is just, as alefury points out, not very effective at using it 18:39:04 yeah, mennas can't speak, so recite wouldn't make sense. I just meant that his confuse spell seems like it's supposed to be recite-like 18:39:53 you could be confused by this tongueless angel who's sort of spitting guttural syllables at you in a righteous tone of voice 18:41:32 evilmike: i believe there's a comment somewhere to that effect... 18:41:38 it's dumb though, take it out 18:41:59 (remove pearly swine while you're at it) 18:42:27 holy 18:42:43 also, porkolator, and they appear in all of two vaults 18:43:19 remove porkalator? 18:43:26 hamgednan, ruiner of fun 18:43:34 just make porkolator only work on natural stuff 18:43:40 that horrible hamgednan 18:43:50 Hey, I like having pet hell hogs as a summoner. 18:43:51 <___< 18:44:05 what makes porkolator different from polymorph then 18:44:14 in what it can target 18:44:46 we literally added in demon polymorph and a new monster because some random npc has a spell that was ONLY USED ON HUMANS MYTHOLOGICALLY argh 18:45:08 demon polymorph is bad? 18:45:17 yep 18:45:24 well in terms of the non-numbered ones it can be horribly mean but 18:45:41 we don't have a 'fleshy' tag, and some demons are stuff like 'made of metal' or 'cloud of evil smoke' 18:46:09 time for a fleshy tag 18:46:25 alternatively, pigs of evil smoke 18:46:50 go dwarf fortress style and add a pointlessly complicated material system. then add sponge pigs 18:46:55 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:21 (last time I checked, the game had "sponge men", made of sponge) 18:47:29 !learn edit wcrawl[6] s/$/; sponge pigs 18:47:30 wcrawl[6/10]: oatmeal gola; giant orange brian; sure bald; sponge pigs 18:47:30 -!- Sanau has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47:55 evilmike: interestingly, that is ambiguous as to whether they are men made of the material sponge, or monstrous humanoids related to sponges 18:48:09 wiki says it is the latter, though 18:48:38 Eronarn: um but sponges are just natural monsters made of the material sponge 18:48:41 ah 18:49:01 well, DF isn't the only game with a strange material system. I think IVAN lets you transmute your limbs into banana flesh 18:49:14 phoenix feathers 18:49:19 oatmeal 18:50:03 Wensley_: the material men are more like golems 18:50:19 iron men are hollow and filled with poison gas, for example 18:50:46 giant macaque men are just golems made of giant macaques 18:50:54 or maybe they are giant humanoids made of ordinary macaques 18:51:14 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:51:16 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 18:51:33 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:52:34 If some hapless dwarf appears near their water, giant sponges may feel suddenly threatened and charge (!) the hapless dwarf and engage in combat. They may also become enraged or unconscious, as utterly improbable as that sounds. 18:52:38 ahahha 18:52:50 ^^ this is the why of dwarf fortress 19:00:22 03elliptic * r76a6a07817bb 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Give some corpseless slimes CE_NOCORPSE. 19:06:41 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:45 -!- Thann has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:11 -!- tsohg has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 19:09:47 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:03 03Grunt * rb79baea81ad1 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/grunt_ashenzari_visionary.des: Set monster list for grunt_ashenzari_visionary_spider. 19:10:16 HangedMan: sorry it took me so long to get to that <_< 19:10:31 heh 19:10:50 See also: 19:10:50 !lg * map=~grunt -2 19:10:53 8/9. dev the Insei (L3 DgTm), slain by a rock worm in D:3 (grunt ashenzari visionary) on 2012-07-22, with 132 points after 2597 turns and 0:03:37. 19:11:12 1learn add badvault 19:11:22 !lg * map=~grunt s=map 19:11:26 9 games for * (map=~grunt): 3x grunt ashenzari visionary, 2x grunt deathspiral large, 2x grunt spider rune circles, grunt deathspiral small, grunt spider rune island 19:11:33 ...it's my most lethal vault to this point <_< 19:12:06 I'm glad that deathspiral is living up to its name in the short span of time that it's been live. 19:12:15 !lg * cv=0.11-a map=~pestilent killer=~spider|tarantella killer!=spider 19:12:17 No games for * (cv=0.11-a map=~pestilent killer=~spider|tarantella killer!=spider). 19:12:28 !lg * cv=0.11-a map=~pestilent killer=tarantella 19:12:29 1. nfogravity the Cloud Mage (L11 TeAE), worshipper of Vehumet, mangled by a tarantella on D:9 (hangedman pestilent swarm) on 2012-03-20, with 7610 points after 15472 turns and 1:00:58. 19:12:38 !lg * cv=0.11-a map=~pestilent s=killer 19:12:39 3 games for * (cv=0.11-a map=~pestilent): 2x , a tarantella 19:12:40 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:47 !lg * cv=0.11-a map=~pestilent killer= s=kaux 19:12:49 2 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