00:00:32 !tell galehar after playing through shoals twice today, I don't think all the different colors of floor and water are a good idea. They have no tactical importance and provide a lot of visual clutter that distracts from actual gameplay (i.e. fighting monsters). I guess it is probably possible for people like me to recolor them via rcfile somehow though? 00:00:33 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 00:00:43 !tell galehar after playing through shoals twice today, I don't think all the different colors of floor and water are a good idea. They have no tactical importance and provide a lot of visual clutter that distracts from actual gameplay (i.e. fighting monsters). I guess it is probably possible to recolor them via rcfile somehow though? 00:00:44 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 00:01:47 !tell galehar after playing through shoals twice today, I don't think all the different colors of floor and water are a good idea. They have no tactical importance and create visual clutter that distracts from actual gameplay (i.e. fighting monsters). I guess it might be possible to recolor them via rcfile though? 00:01:47 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 00:02:03 is that really still >300 characters 00:02:23 302, gah 00:04:38 if only there was some way to send messages to people on IRC 00:04:42 -!- Bonghitz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:06:17 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:06:43 galehar: I agree with elliptic by the way, it feels like a bunch of random colouring, and the water looks much less active than it did before with the simple waves (which I like) 00:07:18 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:07:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 00:19:36 -!- blmarket has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:20:47 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:24:47 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:28:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:34:18 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:35:53 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:49 -!- zero_one has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:38:14 Simulacrums report as "Small"/"large" simulacrum when a level is generated (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5951) by infiniplex 00:38:30 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:38:51 -!- zzedar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:43:30 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:50:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:50:49 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:40 -!- Belasarius has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:02:11 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 01:03:03 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:04:19 -!- jeremie has quit [Client Quit] 01:13:55 Polymorph other (sometimes?) doesn't turn friendly summons hostile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5952) by crate 01:18:38 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:50 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:19:10 -!- mhss has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:44 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:03 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:34:53 -!- FunnyMan3595 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:35:08 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:36:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:38:20 -!- Lightli_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:39:12 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Pale Moon 12.2.1/20120616110620]] 01:51:04 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:54:19 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 02:05:24 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:38 -!- Etna has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:16:13 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:17 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 02:21:14 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:11 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:36:40 -!- knonme has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:39:31 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:41:01 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:44:05 -!- _Sata_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:58:06 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:56 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:05:13 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:07 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09:51 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 03:15:09 -!- Boredone has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:34:30 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:34:41 -!- _Sata_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:32 -!- barbs has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:35:49 <_Sata_> hello, I'm trying to play the tiles version in a 1024x600 monitor and no matter what I change on tiles_options.txt it seems to resize the tiles/fonts anyway in a slight but horrid way 03:36:16 <_Sata_> from a fresh download of 0.10.3 stable release, the only things I changed were these options under tiles_options.txt 03:36:18 <_Sata_> tile_full_screen = false 03:36:18 <_Sata_> tile_window_width = 1000 03:36:18 <_Sata_> tile_window_height = 500 03:36:27 <_Sata_> and this was the result: http://i.imgur.com/dIROM.png 03:37:21 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:38:22 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:38:41 <_Sata_> at first I trie running on fullscreen (defaulted to fullscreen) and it was already deformed, I tried to change to that and it was still blurred that way, it doesn't seem to be an options thing, but something hardcoded 03:38:45 <_Sata_> tried* 03:40:03 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:22 ghrmblah, just as I thought window sizing is bad but passable enough for 0.11 (Win8 issues seem to be no more in the release preview) 03:42:04 I for one can't help you much, but could you try 0.11 trunk? Some parts of font loading have been changed. 03:42:19 <_Sata_> ok 03:42:48 sadly, not exactly in the right places so I don't have too much hope, but still 03:44:18 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:28 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r3c4275547b2e 10/crawl-ref/source/view.cc: Don't try to shout after leaving the level (#5785). 03:45:28 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r7a172e4db1de 10/crawl-ref/source/ (libutil.cc libutil.h main.cc): Weak-ass text popup for --help on Windows tiles. 03:45:29 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r0d8a65d97dce 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Make Royal Jelly spawns always hostile. 03:46:21 <_Sata_> the fullscreen default: http://i.imgur.com/6cuw9.png 03:47:15 not fun :( 03:51:38 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:51:38 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:51:38 <_Sata_> verily :( 03:51:38 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:54:30 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:30 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 03:54:30 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO updated to 10.3, hopefully should fix the recent bug | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 03:54:56 elliptic: I'd rather revert it than make it an option 03:55:07 the text looks upscaled on the screenshots 03:55:09 -!- kober has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55:17 maybe it guesses the font size wrongly? 03:55:33 unfortunately, I have absolutely no idea how that code works 03:56:01 elliptic: the goal is to make the autoexplore limit visible to reduce confusion, but if it's considered useless clutter, I don't mind reverting 03:56:41 there's no apparent relation between explored places and the limit 03:57:00 there's unseen dry ground just next to unseen deep water 03:57:32 dry ground is always explored. That's the definition of the limit 03:57:32 I guess one of these two was explored earlier, but it's hard to pay attention to that if you fight monsters 03:58:15 I mean "dry ground" as "floor", disregarding colouring 03:58:29 i know 03:58:42 the exploration limit is the floor limit at low tide 04:00:08 but yeah, seems like it just brings more confusion instead of clarifying anything 04:01:40 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:02:01 what about this rule instead: try to stand on every square whose _current_ map_knowledge says it's passable that has something unexplored in LOS, with order weighted by the amount of unexploreness in sight 04:02:15 without any heed to the height map 04:03:37 this would not suffer from any infinite loops, and while it would do multiple passes when the tide is receding, it would explore a reasonable part of the level instead of giving up in an unexplained way 04:07:46 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:37 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:11:12 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:11:15 -!- Ragdoll_ is now known as Ragdoll 04:12:12 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:12:13 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:54 Slonya (L5 MiBe) (D:3) 04:13:53 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:41 that seems complicated 04:17:00 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:17:32 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:20:37 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:05 also, it's already based on map_knowledge 04:24:13 -!- dpeg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:24:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:27:01 %git 8d595aab 04:27:04 galehar * r8d595aab955c: Improve autoexplore by trying to have a look at unreachable places. (1 year, 1 month ago, 2 files, 61+ 14-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/8d595aab955c 04:27:14 maybe that's the problem 04:27:21 -!- Adeon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:06 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:37:54 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:59:11 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2920-g7a81c55 05:14:05 -!- smeea has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:19:22 -!- Sprort has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:24:08 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:27:08 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:29 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:08 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:59 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:25 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:00:32 _Sata_: (sorry, had network problems) Tried running it in a 1000x500 window, and it works for me. 06:01:00 perhaps it's some kind of a driver issue? Could someone else check? 06:01:01 <_Sata_> I think that the main issue is it detecting that the native resolution is < 768 06:01:05 <_Sata_> and deciding to do the work for itself 06:01:15 <_Sata_> or some work 06:01:55 <_Sata_> I have a GMA1350 06:04:15 <_Sata_> I'll try to make the resolution bigger 06:04:21 <_Sata_> even if it'll look ugly in this monitor 06:04:25 <_Sata_> I'll take a screenshot 06:07:04 <_Sata_> yeah it's still wrong in 1024x768 06:07:10 <_Sata_> http://i.imgur.com/MHOGj.png 06:10:33 <_Sata_> I found it 06:10:38 <_Sata_> one second and I'll confirm what it was 06:10:54 -!- zero_one has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:08 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 06:12:43 <_Sata_> ok confirmed 06:12:51 <_Sata_> it was FXT1 texture compression 06:12:59 <_Sata_> which the driver was doing as an option 06:13:09 <_Sata_> I just turned the compression off 06:13:14 <_Sata_> and it looks perfect 06:13:57 whew, good 06:14:24 just tried on 800x480 (guess what kind of device), worked too 06:14:38 <_Sata_> http://i.imgur.com/AglXS.png 06:15:01 <_Sata_> conclusion: FXT1 texture compression is the devil 06:15:44 <_Sata_> the S3TC texture compression can be on or off, it doesn't make dcss look bad 06:15:56 <_Sata_> but FXT1 matters a lot apparently 06:20:40 -!- QubeNub has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 06:22:34 -!- domi is now known as domi_ 06:24:27 <_Sata_> Graphics Card + Processor, Part 3 06:24:27 <_Sata_> http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/reviews3tcfxt1/ 06:24:27 <_Sata_> fxt1 is apparently the worst option really 06:29:13 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:39 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:33:37 <_Sata_> I wonder if that is detectable 06:33:53 <_Sata_> I mean, if the binary can check if that is being compressed 06:38:44 would be good to know, I googled for five minutes but I don't have any clue about SDL so I don't really know what to look for 06:39:01 <_Sata_> SDL uses opengl 06:39:06 yeah 06:39:13 <_Sata_> so that's why the video driver can interfere 06:39:25 <_Sata_> it just has its own opengl lib 06:41:08 the problem is, while a vast majority of players use local tiles, all active devs play console or in one case webtiles 06:45:41 <_Sata_> http://forums.libsdl.org/viewtopic.php?t=5751&sid=a9b136b847219aa9ed7b4230e395f4e0 06:45:46 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:51 <_Sata_> apparently these people were asking for sdl support for those 06:46:01 <_Sata_> which I believe ended up being added, since I was using it 06:50:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:40 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:50 <_Sata_> ok, maybe this is it, GL_COMPRESSED_RGB_FXT1_3DFX or GL_COMPRESSED_RGBA_FXT1_3DFX 06:51:53 <_Sata_> would be 1 06:51:56 <_Sata_> if that is on 06:52:03 er, that post talks about sdl 1.3 06:52:15 <_Sata_> yeah, I was looking elsewhere, for this now 06:52:20 those are just opengl constants 06:53:06 CompressedTexImage* functions take them as arguments 06:53:39 and crawl doesn't even use compressed textures, so it's a video driver bug if turning FXT1 support changes anything in it 06:53:53 turning off* 06:55:53 <_Sata_> what I'm thinking is that if the driver is forcing it could it be detected by the binary? 06:56:21 <_Sata_> I know that the driver was doing sneaky stuff, but is it completely outside of the crawl scope? 06:56:25 the driver can't force it, that doesn't make sense 06:56:26 <|amethyst> and then what? refuse to run? 06:56:34 <_Sata_> just warn 06:56:56 <_Sata_> "these fonts aren't gonna be readable like this, disable it if you can't read anything" 06:57:24 <_Sata_> and it's not "support" that I was turning off 06:57:34 <_Sata_> the driver has an option called "force fxt1 texture compression" 06:57:36 although, okay, I take that back 06:57:47 and yes, you should disable that unless you're low on video memory (which you will not be in case of crawl) 06:58:10 -!- zooko has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:12 and yes, garbled text would be a quite expected consequence of that... 06:58:35 <_Sata_> the S3TC doesn't garble it 06:58:37 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:58:43 <_Sata_> just the FXT1 06:58:50 right, they're different compression algorithms 06:58:55 <_Sata_> yeah 06:59:04 s3tc isn't very awful, that's why it's so widespread 06:59:15 <_Sata_> and adopted by console makers even 06:59:21 and apparently fxt1 is pretty bad, that's why nobody is using it 07:01:11 <_Sata_> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-030506.htm 07:01:16 <_Sata_> just to show what I changed 07:01:26 <_Sata_> Figure 3 has there the forced compression options 07:03:49 -!- DiceMaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:03:54 -!- zooko has left ##crawl-dev 07:04:12 -!- DiceMaster has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:25 -!- Lasse- has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:37 Hello. I downloaded development build of crawl and little surprised with Okawaru gifts. My minotaur character can use only polearms, but receives bows, axes, and never gets the armor. Is it a bug or normal behavior? 07:10:07 gods don't pay that much attention to your needs, with 7 skill you have only 50% chance to get a type you want 07:11:53 Okawaru has 50% chance for every gift to give weapons, 50% armour 07:14:57 7 skill? 07:16:08 <_Sata_> I was going through this to see about the fxt1 07:16:10 <_Sata_> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~cs448/git/branches/xen-idc/src/progs/tests/texcmp.c 07:16:47 <_Sata_> but I don't even have the crawl source to look through and since I'm already fixed and I told you guys what my problem was 07:17:14 <_Sata_> I really don't feel like doing much work, so thanks for the help (seriously), and see ya 07:18:15 <_Sata_> I'm at rizon and esper with the same name if for whatever reason I'm to be reached 07:18:17 <_Sata_> bye 07:18:30 -!- _Sata_ has quit [Quit: :tiuQ] 07:19:24 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:23:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:24:45 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:25 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:36 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:29:06 !tell blabber could you tell me where DejaVuSans{,Mono}.ttf resides on BSD systems? Is there a relatively constant path? 07:29:06 kilobyte: OK, I'll let blabber know. 07:33:25 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:36:16 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:40:33 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:45:13 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:53 -!- Etna has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:50:40 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:20 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:52:12 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:57:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:57:57 -!- CrazyJew has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:01:47 -!- Vandal has quit [] 08:02:01 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:07:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:08:54 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:15:03 03galehar * r19c755c96f63 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Revert shoals colours and exploration limit. 08:15:09 03galehar * r6cdbd4bb58f8 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Page closed] 13:54:08 -!- QubeNub has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 13:54:19 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55:25 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:30 -!- Fosius has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17:30 -!- Davidonabus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:35 -!- nuthulu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:19:35 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:25:57 Orb of Zot shows up as an option when reading scroll of identify. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5954) by elliptic 14:29:23 elliptic, obviously the solution is to give it a cool secret to be revealed. :) 14:32:11 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Doomseeker End Of Line] 14:32:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:32:40 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:01 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 14:34:11 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:12 -!- ColdPie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:34:22 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:43 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:11 when you identify it it becomes the "+1 Orb of Zot" 14:51:06 orb of zot [frayed] 14:51:21 vampiric Orb of Zot 14:53:15 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:30 -!- Namey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:02:17 -!- Namey has quit [Client Quit] 15:04:04 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:05:20 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:56 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:12:06 03evilmike 07arena_sprint * r22c5a756c381 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/arena_sprint.des: Decrease shop prices in sprint VI. 15:14:17 -!- Why has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:17:05 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:17:55 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:18:45 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:36 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:20:49 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:26:35 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:18 -!- jotwebe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:29 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:49 it seems that the new targetting display for bolts checking what they go through unnecessarily also applies to lightning bolt 15:34:46 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:22 hi, trunk says to give feedback on powered by pain mutation so here's some feedback: it's not very useful!!! 15:40:36 mages shouldn't get hit anyways 15:41:27 and nonmages don't need mana 15:43:11 while powered by pain is on the weak side it is not best argued through the dichotomy of "casters" 15:44:31 it is 15:44:38 resistance and ac is useful to any crawl char 15:44:48 mana is useless to a subset of crawl chars 15:44:54 the false dichotomy of 15:45:02 there's no false dichotomy 15:45:05 between chars that cast spells 15:45:07 and those that don't 15:45:16 I'm including any spellcasting in mages 15:45:23 http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF253-The_Last_Unicorns.jpg 15:45:25 chewymouse: it's useless to a very small subset 15:45:35 FR: unicorn mimics 15:45:36 ya but why have a mutation that's useless at all 15:45:57 and not very practical for pure casters 15:45:59 I do think PbP is somewhat underpowered 15:46:04 it basically caters to hybrids 15:46:08 heavy armour characters barely notice spines, ds with claws that don't use them and use shields don't get an aux at all, rAcid won't matter for a long while, stochastic rTorm used to be this messy 15:46:21 brb in one sec to continue this 15:46:31 bleh bleh bleh 15:47:01 -!- Rofaner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:22 both PbP and augmentation suffer from doing absolutely nothing unless you are taking serious amounts of damage, which is something that any character tries to avoid 15:47:31 the type of character isn't really relevant here 15:48:56 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:33 powered by pain strikes me as a weaker sublimation of blood that you have less control over 15:49:52 they aren't useless, but they are among the weakest Ds facets and they aren't very fun to play with IMO because they aren't really something you should ever try to use 15:51:05 augmentation might be more fun if it was an 'a'bility with an HP cost 15:51:16 can't really do that with PbP though, since then it really would just be bad sublimation 15:52:39 augmentation might be better as an ability with an HP cost that gives temporary boosts, yeah 15:53:06 pbp could have the guaranteed mp regen happen at something lower than the maxhp/2 it is currently, maybe 15:53:55 also the original proposal suggested letting it give you temporary mp over your max, no idea how easy that'd be to implement though 15:53:58 for pbp, I've toyed with the idea of changing the MP regen to temporary stat boosts 15:54:22 they'd probably have to be pretty large though for it to be any good :/ 15:55:38 problem with PbP giving MP is that many characters never really run out of MP 15:56:36 you basically have to be spamming attack spells... many characters use MP for something, but if you are just using MP for occasional invocations or rMsl or blink, PbP won't do a thing 15:57:27 well, that wouldn't be a problem if it were significant enough to encourage such characters to pick up something that uses a bunch of mp 15:57:54 and that seems much more demonspawn-y than it just being generically good for everyone 15:58:09 MarvinPA: well I just find conjurations a pretty narrow focus 15:59:50 summonings too :P 16:00:16 i guess there aren't many mp-intensive gods 16:00:20 summoners are actually not known for taking damage while spamming summons 16:00:34 are there any? 16:00:50 -!- Sprort has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:54 another PbP idea: cast spells directly from HP if your MP is at 0. Not at a 1:1 rate though 16:01:08 that's a completely different concept from the current one of course 16:02:00 mm, i actually started implementing something close to that as a mutation, still have it in a local branch 16:02:33 it's a cool idea but i could never figure out where it would work, mutation/staff/a bunch of other things i forget were suggested 16:02:54 I don't think it would work as an item 16:03:13 oh yeah, one-shot evoc item was suggested too 16:04:36 for PbP, what about taking the current design and replacing the "gain MP" part with randomly choosing an effect from a list of several things? MP recovery could be one, might/agility could be others, etc 16:04:40 there are many forms of power 16:05:14 a chance of getting buffed when you take damage could be interesting 16:05:17 that could work, yeah 16:05:21 with +MP regen being one of the buffs 16:08:28 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:38 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:08:44 it would be sort of cool if it tried to pick a buff based on the damage. Like if you take a lot of fire damage, it has a higher chance of giving temporary rF 16:09:36 yay, temporary rTorm for the masses 16:10:20 s|rTorm|rN| 16:10:26 fr demon form 16:11:56 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:13:11 temporary resistances don't really seem that flavorful to me 16:13:15 for PbP 16:19:16 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:28 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:24:15 why not call it something else 16:24:26 adaptive skin or something 16:25:49 yes, it could be reflavoured 16:26:25 -!- ark_____ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:08 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:08 -!- LoremIpsum_ is now known as LoremIpsum 16:28:41 that would certainly be useful 16:29:33 only every once in a while i guess, because usually you have a ring to swap to or something 16:29:40 -!- ark____ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:14 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:15 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:39 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 16:31:29 would probably be more useful if based on pre-resist or even pre-ac damage, otherwise you would probably very rarely get resistance from it while already having one level, which is really quite often the case when fighting monsters with powerful elemental attacks 16:31:36 Grunt, |amethyst, kilobyte, anyone else who knows something about beam.cc: am I right that the "return 1" on line 5110 should be "return 0"? 16:34:53 (this seems to be responsible for some of the issues with the new targetter for lightning bolt and such) 16:51:32 elliptic, I think you are correct. 16:52:28 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:54:09 I don't really understand what is going on with that code in general I guess... like, should it be used > 0 instead of used == BEAM_STOP in that if? 16:54:15 -!- urthmover has quit [Client Quit] 16:55:08 it would also be nice if the bolt targetter distinguished between squares the bolt is guaranteed to hit and squares it might hit if it misses stuff in the way, but I imagine that is more work... 16:58:33 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:01:22 oh another targeting thing that i should have mantised but haven't yet: it thinks that beams can't go through orbs of destruction 17:01:50 (they can!) 17:02:20 it also told me that beams can't go through malign gateway portals so i ignored it 17:02:28 and promptly icestormed myself, apparently those are solid objects or something? 17:02:38 heh 17:02:40 not sure if that's intentional or another bug 17:04:15 i guess maybe it doesn't factor in fedhas's shoot-through-plants since it doesn't handle orbs of destruction? 17:04:33 handling for that was added I think 17:05:06 I think it was impossible to shoot past malign gateway portals before the new targetter was added, I could be wrong though 17:05:56 I seem to remember it not working in 0.10 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-!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:06 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:37:56 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:36 The antique lich in Zonguldrok's Shrine can't be created if there's no adjacent space to the statue (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5955) by Nomi 17:43:01 sputterflies_reasons? 17:43:23 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:50:23 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:36 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:52:16 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:22 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04:59 Prompting and messages for Ignite Poison (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5956) by jvj24601 18:05:17 -!- stabwound has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:08:56 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:04 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:00 -!- QubeNub has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:42 -!- 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[Quit: Leaving] 19:16:20 -!- Gabriellk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:19:00 -!- Oddtwang_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:22:50 03kilobyte * r1d9f2b132e9c 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Move the shipped font to contribs, upgrade to DejaVu. 19:24:32 for those building on Windows (IIRC only galehar): (cd ../..;git submodule update --init) 19:24:40 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:27:37 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:38 No pan lord (or non-pan lord vault) generated on many levels of Pan (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5957) by elliptic 19:47:30 -!- Alleycat86 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120710123126]] 19:47:39 -!- Alleycat86_ is now known as Alleycat86 19:52:07 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:52:49 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:52:58 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:07 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:03:57 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:03:58 -!- AlphaQ has quit 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closed] 21:55:21 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:49 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:00:28 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:37 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:15 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:20 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:12:49 -!- KaminaSquirtle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:37:15 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 22:45:57 <|amethyst> Grunt: as Hangedman and simmarine point out, the "it" changes seem to be not quite right 22:46:14 <|amethyst> Grunt: visible_to() doesn't check LOS 22:46:36 I knew I'd gotten something not quite right >:( 22:47:01 <|amethyst> you probably want you.can_see() 22:47:12 <|amethyst> which is visible_to && see_cell 22:49:49 I'll fix it in a few moments, after my latest round of work on my own branch is verified to work properly <_< 22:52:07 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:56:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:58:52 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:59:00 -!- Rewans has quit [] 23:08:43 -!- rkd has quit [] 23:19:20 03Grunt * rea85ad332ce1 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc: A nearby "A nearby it withers and dies" withers and dies. 23:19:30 nice commit message 23:19:42 I try. 23:20:48 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:48 -!- tempestad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:02 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:11 elliptic: I just commented on your pan bug, but I think I might have found the source of it 23:26:27 I've noticed uniq_ignacio is being selected by tag, and when that happens the level doesn't get a regular minivault 23:27:40 ignacio did exist in the most recent game where I saw a few levels like this (which did not have the blood fountain vault that I saw; I'm aware of that) 23:27:54 I don't know if removing the 'pan' tag from uniq_ignacio will work. I think if that tag is removed, it can still be selected by chance+depth for pan 23:28:00 but I'm not totally sure 23:28:12 (though I think it is sort of bad that the blood fountain vault replaces a regular minivault...) 23:28:33 yeah, those blood fountain vaults should be given the 'extra' tag 23:29:02 although, the ignacio vault also has 'extra', so maybe this doesn't help in pan 23:34:53 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:38:37 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46:43 <|amethyst> yeah, _pan_level() doesn't respect extra 23:51:14 -!- dingir has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:52:54 <|amethyst> it sounds like, as evilmike suggests, those vaults should use depth/chance and not the tag 23:53:09 <|amethyst> or _pan_level could be made to respect extra 23:58:04 -!- Grunt has quit [Quit: leaving]