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They're good changes, but some are not worth mentioning in the changelog IMO. Some of the things you added have nearly no impact on most players (EE petrification), or are interface only and immediately apparent when you see them (silence indicator, lichform interface). Lots of small changes are not mentioned in... 04:51:03 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 04:51:04 ...the changelog, and I think that is good. 04:51:09 hmpf 04:51:38 ill just tell him later -.- 04:52:12 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:07 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2875-g549b221 05:01:58 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:05:48 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:11:04 -!- crate has quit [Quit: goodnight] 05:27:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:30:09 -!- Lost_Number has quit [] 05:38:20 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:47:21 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56:39 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:58:01 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:16 obsolate parts in docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5939) by nagdon 06:02:59 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:03:40 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:33 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:30 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:32 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:04 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:30:20 message colouring makes fighting quasits pretty eye-gouging 06:30:36 er, i mean, case-insensitiveness of message colouring 06:33:53 I had a demonspawn with spines yesterday and I wondered why I was getting tons of red, I guess that's it 06:34:23 <|amethyst> which matches are the offending ones? 06:34:49 <|amethyst> it seems (?-i:...) doesn't work to turn off insensitivity 06:35:49 03|amethyst * rb2db5e661d47 10/crawl-ref/source/stash.cc: Display "<" correctly in stash search prompt (#3545). 06:36:05 msc = $danger:It .* you 06:36:33 <|amethyst> that should probably be ^it .* you 06:36:45 has ^ been fixed? I got the impression it didn't work. 06:37:05 <|amethyst> oh 06:37:22 <|amethyst> what about \b ? 06:38:38 slow machine, lemme check both 06:39:01 <|amethyst> gtg for a bit; hopefully I'll be back soon 06:43:06 -!- Ashenden has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- Ragdoll has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- bmfx has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- Yen has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- eki has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- odiv has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- jbenedetto has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:06 -!- Sabaki has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:07 -!- ChongLi has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:07 -!- myp has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:07 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:07 -!- violetj has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:07 -!- CIA-80 has quit [*.net *.split] 06:43:24 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:31 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:31 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:31 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:31 -!- violetj has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:48 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 06:45:08 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:45:08 -!- QubeNub has quit [Changing host] 06:45:50 cool, I was wrong, ^ works 06:48:31 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:10 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:55:37 -!- phunktion has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:10 03kilobyte * rf24a89868f01 10/crawl-ref/settings/messages.txt: Fix any combat with quasits being coloured as "danger". 07:02:10 03kilobyte * r01e25e4a4b34 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/descript/monsters.txt util/gather_mons): Add a desc for freed slaves. 07:02:11 03kilobyte * r69d9453c049c 10/crawl-ref/source/util/gather_features: Teach db_lint about special-cased "gleaming silver wall"s. 07:04:21 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:18 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 07:08:19 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:10:22 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:15:11 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:24:01 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:05 03edlothiol * raacbc5e42cfa 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (8 files in 3 dirs): New glove tiles and a slightly tweaked bread ration by roctavian (#5622). 07:25:21 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:30:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:32:04 -!- Ryansee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:33:56 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:36:05 03kilobyte * r82aa59b628c5 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt: Fixes to obsolete .des syntax documentation [nagdon] 07:36:15 03kilobyte * r9cfd29023f5f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/layout.des: Declare the layout_type for twisted cavern and Spider maps. 07:42:22 Napkin: you mentionned handing over administrative tasks recently. I'm willing to take over some web stuff: wordpress, tavern, wiki and mantis 08:06:10 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:16:04 -!- CrazyJew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:29 -!- localhost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:11 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:25 -!- VengefulCarrot has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:38:42 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54:00 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:56 -!- Grildrak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:07:16 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:09:27 -!- mhss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:21:55 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:19 -!- pantaril has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:31:26 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:30 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 09:36:02 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37:42 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2882-g9cfd290 (33) 09:38:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:55:20 -!- kober has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 10:04:57 -!- Flyne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:12:14 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:12:25 03dolorous * rd0988b877e5b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Reword freed slave description. 10:18:05 of course. Even after after many years on a desc-heavy MUD (coder types can't seem to ever get people to desc stuff...), I can't write a single description without dolorous having to fix up after me. 10:25:22 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:25:31 -!- elliott_ is now known as elliott 10:25:57 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:26:08 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 10:26:08 03|amethyst * rcc96237c689e 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Better message when using 'a' in silence (#3242). 10:27:58 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:15 Grunt: I think your recent changelog additions are a little too verbose. They're good changes, but some are not worth mentioning in the changelog IMO. Some of the things you added have nearly no impact on most players (EE petrification), or are interface only and immediately apparent when you see them (silence indicator, lichform interface). Lots of small changes are not mentioned in the... 10:29:17 ...changelog, and I think that is good. 10:31:25 <|amethyst> Maybe just one entry for all the status light changes (there's also the "Water" status light, and the merging of !resistance durations and lights) 10:32:07 <|amethyst> * Numerous improvements to status lights (water, silence, etc.). 10:33:22 I'd say the highlights section is way overblown 10:34:02 like "Grey draconians are better". There were no ground-breaking changes to them. 10:34:40 "Grey draconians do not prompt ^q for the average person anymore" 10:35:09 or, missile enchantment is waaay too verbose 10:35:24 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:36:22 <|amethyst> "Missile enchantments are no more." is fine there, and details if needed can go under "Items" 10:36:40 <|amethyst> Removed items maybe aren't necessary under highlights 10:48:43 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:40 depends on what got removed. scrolls of detect curse might be worth mentioning 10:51:13 listing content that was outright added or removed in the highlights is not such a bad idea i think 10:51:14 nah, the whole point of removing detect curse was to see how long it would take people to notice :P 10:51:22 :) 10:52:13 removed items, better grey dracs, the missile enchantment subheadings, and possibly even lightning rod and mercenary could be taken out of highlights 10:52:42 constriction should be mentioned, so people know to maybe try breaking free 10:53:08 not sure about the targeting prompts, i havent tried them 10:53:16 maybe not really a highlight, but they do sound super awesome 10:54:28 a recurring highlight in every version i have seen released have been the new vaults and tiles 10:54:35 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:00 sure, it is like that every version, but its awesome every time, and impacts play a lot more than many other changes, so i think listing these under highlights is warranted (every time) 10:55:23 also its a nice nod to all the hard-working contributors :) 10:56:43 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 10:58:17 03Grunt * re2923a5b3ee1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (67 files in 11 dirs): ontoclasm's new statue tiles (#5936). 10:59:24 the new racial equipment tiles are a bit of a mixed bag, they are super pretty, but make the display much harder to parse (they greatly overemphasize the race of racial equipment, which is the least important information about any item) 10:59:37 having an option to disable those would be nice 10:59:57 on the other hand, people who want ugly but functional can play console i guess 11:04:15 alefury, I do tend to be verbose in describing things, and I was trying to judge what was important in recent changes based on some of the other things that were listed. 11:04:32 I'm sure people are willing to argue at length as to what should or should not be included in the changelog. :) 11:06:21 -!- Pickles_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:06:43 my opinion: if it is awesome or affects gameplay for many players (this especially includes nearly all changes to the early game) it should be in the changelog. Everything else is optional, and shorter is often better. 11:06:44 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 11:07:03 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:44 mentioning the case-insensitive messages is good for example, because people might want to change their rcfiles 11:10:31 reading the current changelog takes forever, so it would probably be good if it was pruned a bit. most of it is important, though. good version. :) 11:12:03 i could pastebin a pruned version if anyone cares 11:13:00 You might want to poke evilmike about this, as he was responsible for the last (few?) changelog update(s) before mine. 11:13:50 remove racial equipment 11:14:02 Beogh would be displeased. 11:14:04 revamp beogh 11:14:11 remove beogh 11:14:17 Beogh smites you! 11:17:22 remove smi- 11:26:03 * kilobyte ponders orc priests zapping arcs of lightning at you. 11:28:27 slightly pruned/modified changelog: http://pastebin.com/PcdMRXuP 11:30:03 kilobyte: can you take a look, or should i !tell evilmike? 11:30:57 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:40 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:41 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:25 !tell evilmike i think the changelog should be shorter ("unfortunately" most of the stuff in it is important, so not much shorter). here's my suggestion: http://pastebin.com/PcdMRXuP 11:35:26 alefury: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 11:35:41 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:39:06 -!- boxo has quit [Changing host] 11:40:36 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:40:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:44 -!- Deathmic has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:51:16 The description of Ensorcelled Hibernation is wrong (or maybe the spell is). (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5940) by CommanderC 11:54:23 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:59:40 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:03:25 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:26 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:06:45 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 12:07:47 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:12 03kilobyte * rd3520227b673 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Trim the changelog (alefury) 12:09:56 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:10:00 -!- lykk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:17:16 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: rawrmage: it's danei, it neither needs nor admits explanation] 12:21:32 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:24:07 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:25:24 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:30 -!- jj99 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:28:08 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:46 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:58 -!- Keratin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:37:04 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 12:38:04 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:38:17 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:38:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:43 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: rawrmage: it's danei, it neither needs nor admits explanation] 12:41:24 -!- TGWi has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:49:41 -!- localhost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:19 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56:16 -!- VengefulCarrot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:56:28 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:57:05 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:59:07 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:59:27 -!- johnthebear has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:56 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:49 -!- dtsund_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:04:16 -!- dtsund_ is now known as dtsund 13:04:36 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:06:28 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:16 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:14:51 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 13:20:29 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:28:24 galehar: i actually meant code maintenance 13:28:47 but i added you as admin to wordpress and mantis - you were admin in the rest already ;) 13:29:06 don't use the automated code updates, though - they'll ruin our local changes 13:29:35 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:07 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:25 -!- Flyne has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:25 -!- Etna has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:31:40 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:21 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 13:43:07 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:37 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47:10 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:50:57 MarvinPA: a friend came in, you'll tell me whether the rod is ok or not later... 13:51:25 sure, i'll try using it against some more stuff 13:56:04 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:05 -!- jj99 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:39 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:03 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:59:26 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:03 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:33 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:54 -!- Flyne_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:02:06 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:56 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:05:29 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:22 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 14:25:03 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:29:40 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:15 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:37 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:47:31 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:53:28 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:06:24 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:08:39 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:08:47 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:37 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:37 -!- stabwound has quit [Changing host] 15:09:37 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:19 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:11:30 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:12:00 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:50 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:14:24 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:25 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:19:08 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:31:28 -!- kkinch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:57 03kilobyte * r7e4a16d5bd79 10/crawl-ref/source/ (libutil.cc libutil.h main.cc): Weak-ass text popup for --help on Windows tiles. 15:34:07 03kilobyte * rdf290d771736 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (pl/spells.txt spells.txt): Don't claim that EH has extra effects on cold-bloded creatures. 15:34:30 Did it once slow down cold-blooded creatures, like Freeze? 15:37:18 <|amethyst> if so it was a very long time ago 15:38:20 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 15:38:40 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:03 <|amethyst> !hs . place=Vault:8 15:43:04 2. Neil the Eclecticist (L23 MfGl), worshipper of Sif Muna, hit from afar by a stone giant (large rock) on Vaults:8 (vaults vault) on 2011-12-26, with 370663 points after 95112 turns and 9:39:40. 15:43:05 <|amethyst> doh 15:45:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:45:48 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:48:20 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:51:13 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:52:31 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:52:43 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:32 -!- blackflare has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:34 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:57:45 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:51 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 16:00:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:06:09 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:07:29 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:24 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 16:15:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:35 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 16:28:38 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29:55 -!- andrew is now known as Guest37843 16:32:30 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: pchooooo] 16:36:26 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:25 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:42:39 -!- zzedar has quit [Client Quit] 16:44:13 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:51 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:28 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:53:24 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:58:44 -!- blackflare has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:12 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 17:04:56 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 17:05:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:48 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 17:08:39 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:15 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18:53 -!- not_detrius has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 7.0.1/20111008085652]] 17:20:58 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:39 Napkin: thanks! can you also give my www-data permissions, so that I can edit the files? 17:24:47 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:25:01 unfortunately no, not yet 17:25:14 have to think of something else 17:25:24 ok 17:25:28 www-data has access to many other private files 17:27:04 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:38 I wanted to install this, because the spoiler plugin i installed was a bit ugly: http://www.absoluteanime.com/forum/mods/Prime%20BBCode%20Spoiler/install.xml 17:31:19 oh, you are not doing yourself a favor installing phpbb3 plugins 17:31:53 git makes it doable, but still.. maintenance hell 17:33:22 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:49:04 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:52:05 -!- Etna has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:53:30 ok, I'll stay with the simple and ugly plugin then 17:55:06 -!- Mottie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:53 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:59:18 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:59:51 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:00 -!- Rofaner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:29 I'm pushing the console implementation of shoals colour into trunk. the tiles implementation is a bit trickier than I thought, it will come soon 18:03:15 is the exploration same as what's in trunk currently? 18:03:21 but I'd rather have the console version in trunk now soit gets some testing 18:03:32 03galehar * r410924b6f8f9 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dgn-height.h dgn-shoals.cc showsymb.cc travel.cc): Show the autoexplore limit in Shoals. 18:03:33 03galehar * ra4184751df45 10/crawl-ref/source/ (branch-data.h dgn-height.h showsymb.cc travel.cc): Make the Shoals floor brown/yellow depending on height (wet sand). 18:03:33 03galehar * r5f7d03867298 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: Rename tidal waters and wet sands in examine surrounding mode. 18:03:33 03galehar * rf959f7145751 10/crawl-ref/source/tilecell.cc: Enable wall shadows in Shoals. 18:03:44 03galehar * r29c3559ac217 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Descriptions for tidal water and wet sand. 18:03:44 kilobyte: yes, but it applies to all species, and the limit is visible 18:04:14 if so, it's extremely buggy: fails to explore dry land even just next to you, including walking to a nearby island you have a clear path to 18:05:23 are you sure it doesn't explore islands you can see and reach? 18:06:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:06:24 not exploring dry land is needed. We need to make it less "ambitious" 18:07:01 well, but isn't that the whole point of autoexplore? 18:07:35 to explore all places you can get to, rather than a small part 18:08:02 but it doesn't work in shoals. Some places are hard to get to 18:08:39 dry land just next to me, in LOS, is not exactly that hard... 18:08:48 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:09:36 neither is an island that just became reachable, the tide turned deep water into shallow, and dry land of that island is again in LOS, reachable 18:09:49 if it's in LOS, it's explored. 18:10:12 shore of that island, not its interior 18:10:57 in this case (an island just become reachable), it will cross the shallow water to go there 18:11:21 tidal areas are not considered unreachable, they are considered "already-explored" 18:12:26 it just won't try to see what is at the edge of islands 18:12:27 then perhaps it considered the dry land there "tidal", while it obviously something more inside 18:12:54 an edge of that island was visible 18:13:22 oh, I see what you mean 18:13:36 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:40 well, with the new colours, at least it will be easier to understand 18:14:20 can't it try to explore all places you can actually walk on? 18:14:40 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:01 but we can't teach autoexplore about islands physics, if you haven't spotted any area above SHT_SHORE_LOW, it can't know there are some beyond 18:15:25 kilobyte: well, that's what it used to do. And consistently failed 18:15:43 yet there is an area you can go into, that you haven't seen yet 18:17:37 when the tide goes up, it is possible a path will be lost while you're walking there, but that only means it has to abort what it's currently doing and look for some other area 18:18:10 There are some edge cases where it won't be able to reach an island, but it usually works pretty well 18:18:19 much better than it used to 18:18:51 if it's what I tested yesterday, it's hardly working at all... 18:19:29 before, it could run in circles (but never infinite) but at least tried to explore a sizeable part of the level 18:20:49 well, I've lowered the limit a little bit compared to yesterday 18:21:16 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:21:37 from my testing, it usually explore the whole level in about 300 turns 18:22:00 another issue: per the commit message, "even amphibious species will respect it". If they're not affected by the tide, why would they skip places? 18:22:52 the worst that can happen is walking to a corner of a map to see nothing but deep water, but that costs just a couple tens of turns 18:22:57 1) to make them not waste their time exploring the sea 2) consistency 18:23:49 I'm afraid it's not consistent with other watery levels, then 18:24:49 maybe I should have renamed the sea waters instead of the tidal ones 18:25:21 but what does that change? Merfolk don't care about depth anyway. 18:26:03 makes them not waste their time exploring the whole level. Only islands are interesting. 18:26:04 it's for all practical purposes an open level, same as you could find in D 18:26:16 well, but you don't know where the islands are 18:27:00 if autoexplore failed to find one, you can manually travel there and resume autoexplore once spotted 18:27:09 seems better than having it explore the sea at random 18:28:06 those extra 20 turns spent walking a bit farther don't seem to be worthy player confusion and requiring manual exploration 18:30:03 I think it's less confusing that way. If this human doesn't bother exploring this island's edge even though he can cross the shallow water just fine, then why this merfolk would? 18:32:02 i remember finding a shop surrounded by deep water in shoals as octopode, if that is still possible i'd strongly prefer that autoexplore tries to reach all tiles i can reach 18:33:17 a shop is greedy, a mf would autoexplore it 18:33:31 the shop was not visible from any island 18:34:08 well then maybe the level builder shouldn't put a shop in the middle of the sea 18:34:39 not in the middle, on an island 18:34:44 we don't hide shops in the middle of forest either 18:35:01 ... 18:35:25 if it's on an island, it must be visible from an island 18:35:43 * due waves 18:35:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:35:58 I just tested a bunch of Shoals levels, in two of six tries, it failed to reach substantial parts of the level (a whole island) 18:36:24 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:13 there tend to be monsters in unvisited areas, too 18:38:11 03dolorous * r7f8c7b4f641a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Tweak wording. 18:38:34 Hi due! 18:38:41 it's harder to explore deeper levels sure 18:39:07 although, autoexplore doesn't fully explore orc levels on its own either, so maybe it's not that bad 18:39:09 anyway 18:39:09 * galehar sleeps 18:39:31 * due still dead :( 18:39:47 i can't believe how much i have forsook crawl 18:39:55 due rejoins the land of the living... 18:40:00 in Orc, it does what it can explore on its own, you can't do any better without mmapping/teleport/digging 18:47:57 New branch created: arena_sprint (2 commits) 18:48:54 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:55 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:28 -!- Codrus has quit [Quit: o/] 18:55:54 -!- dosman711` has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:56:03 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:34 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:01:04 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:01:12 due, any chance in the slightest that those abyssal horrors have started to exist yet? 19:02:31 even just concepts would be nice for making abyss have more unique stuff 19:03:19 -!- dosman711` has quit [Client Quit] 19:04:02 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:09:16 -!- btanaka has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:07 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:11:38 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:04 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:06 -!- Zappman123 has quit [Client Quit] 19:17:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:34 HangedMan: the lurking horror was supposed to be like a wandering mushroom, in that it stays out of sight 19:19:42 HangedMan: but once you get close to it in kind of goes spychotic 19:19:56 (instead of just standing still) 19:19:59 mmmm 19:21:08 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:21 what does it do when you see it? 19:22:24 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:37 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:21 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:53 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:10 -!- VengefulCarrot_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:29 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:10 03dolorous * r77cd285ec606 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Fix capitalization. 19:54:51 -!- Vizer1 has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:59:46 -!- Rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 20:02:30 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:04:56 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:10:00 -!- BONGHITZ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:10:23 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:13:22 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:21:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 20:31:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:31:41 -!- tsohg_ is now known as tsohg 20:33:48 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:36:28 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:36:37 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:48 -!- Guest37843 is now known as andrewhl 20:45:56 -!- CaptainPickles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:48:26 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:55 -!- IZicata has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:54:58 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:57:49 -!- BONGHITZ_ is now known as BONGHITZ 20:58:08 -!- ColdPie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:53 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:26 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:30 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:21:24 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:46 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:54 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:05 -!- BONGHITZ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:45:10 -!- kek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:26 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:50:59 -!- archl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:51:38 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:59 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:53:49 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:12 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:04:42 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 22:05:20 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 22:06:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:52 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:26 kilobyte: is it intentional that finding a rod of a given type doesn't identify later rods of the same type found? I believe this change happened back when you were making rod code saner 22:12:24 similar to books? 22:12:32 yeah 22:12:57 I don't have a problem with the change, I was just wondering because I don't remember it being discussed 22:18:22 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:34 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:30:45 -!- Sgun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:07 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:40 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:42:53 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:01 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Doomseeker End Of Line] 22:54:50 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:16 oh great, IMB has "are you sure you want to hit yourself" prompts again? 22:55:39 yeah, it's a bug :( it doesn't actually hit yourself 23:00:13 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:07 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:57 hm, it seems like the prompt happens iff you target a monster 2 squares away 23:03:08 if you target an adjacent monster or empty space, you don't get the prompt 23:03:38 well, iff the first monster along the ray is 2 squares away 23:03:43 I wonder why it would do that 23:03:45 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:06:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:08:13 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:08:28 is it because it looks along the ray from you to it and sees you first? 23:12:18 -!- ClawlessVictory has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:17:39 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:51 okay, this is weird 23:21:34 parent->path_taken.size() has different values in _imb_explosion() depending on whether it is a tracer 23:21:42 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:33:57 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:29 03elliptic * r7337c72e4d09 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Add extra check to stop the IMB explosion from hitting the caster in the face. 23:48:10 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 23:55:30 oh great, IMB has "are you sure you want to hit yourself" prompts again? 23:55:43 there are other, similar prompts related to the explosion radius indicator stuff 23:55:44 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:52 like the game telling you that a wall is blocking a shot, when it really isn't 23:56:01 I think it's told me that multiple times for the same spell casting before, too 23:57:38 <|amethyst> see also #3229 23:57:51 well I think I fixed the IMB one 23:58:38 -!- Grunt has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:58:55 <|amethyst> this is something different 23:59:00 not 3229, yeah