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00:50:29 <Henzell> Nomi the Severer (L12 HOPr) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 17071. (Lair:8)
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01:06:14 <Nomi> oh
01:06:26 <Nomi> so it was a crash, i thought i typoed into ^s
01:06:28 <Nomi> lol
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01:39:07 <Cheibriados> Traps and tiles in Ctrl-X (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5918) by neil
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04:10:03 <alefury> evilmike: whats wrong with step from time working? if stuff despawns you dont get points, and it doesnt help with killing, right?
04:11:44 <evilmike> alefury: things happen at a pretty rapid pace. the timer doesn't stop when a round finishes, it just starts ticking for the next round
04:11:46 <alefury> sounds like it could be cool in the tourney, with like 50/x/y points for the top scorers, and up to 50 or so based on your individual score
04:12:04 <evilmike> my estimate is it takes about 5000 turns to get the orb, and step from time can carry you through a good chunk of that
04:12:04 <alefury> so what?
04:12:16 <alefury> you will be really weak then, right?
04:12:26 <alefury> and have low score?
04:12:58 <alefury> it seems like you trade score, money and piety for a pretty much guaranteed escape, which seems fine to me
04:13:17 <alefury> also you have to use chei to do it
04:13:25 <evilmike> low score (at least in the arena's scoring system): yes. weak: doesn't really matter how weak you are, the orb appears at a fixed spot
04:13:36 <alefury> if there is a problem, sure, disable it, youre the one who knows the map. im just not convinced there is one from what you said
04:14:04 <alefury> you still have to kill duded after getting the orb to actually get score, right?
04:14:10 <alefury> s/duded/dudes
04:15:04 <evilmike> yeah. there are 2 ways to get points: kill all the monsters in that round, or be holding the orb when the round ends
04:15:04 <alefury> maybe just make the orb a multiplier
04:16:08 <evilmike> could do that
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04:16:49 <evilmike> actually I'll probably do that regardless of chei
04:17:43 <alefury> do you think its best to only give score for full clears?
04:17:57 <alefury> could base it on exp killed in a wave / total exp in the wave
04:18:13 <alefury> but requiring killing everything might feel better
04:18:23 <evilmike> right now I have it so chei "slows the arena timer to a halt", with a message informing the player (and similarly, I pause things if you go to the abyss)
04:18:45 <evilmike> well, it might help to explain that this score system originated as "style points", and that's what they're called internally
04:18:55 <alefury> heh
04:18:58 <evilmike> you're only supposed to get them for doing cool things
04:19:38 <alefury> something like x points per wave, proportional to how much you killed; doubled for killing everyone, doubled for holding the orb.
04:20:02 <alefury> but only giving points for killing all the dudes might be even better, im not sure
04:20:31 <alefury> also easier to code :)
04:20:39 <evilmike> your proposal wouldn't be that hard, I already track all of the stuff you mentioned
04:21:23 <evilmike> I prefer a simpler system for other reasons: points are a reward, and you don't get rewarded for merely surviving
04:21:48 <alefury> yeah, thats good in any case i think
04:22:34 <alefury> my proposal doesnt punish small mistakes and bad luck as harshly. but doing it like you said is just as valid, just a matter of opinion.
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04:23:50 <evilmike> luck is always going to be a factor, since some waves are supposed to be much easier than others
04:24:40 <evilmike> I need to tweak the spawn rate though; trying to make it so you usually have plenty of time after the last monster spawns
04:24:42 <alefury> a binary score system is extremely harsh to intermediate and bad players and emphasizes luck. note that im not saying that this is necessarily bad, just pointing it out.
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04:25:02 <evilmike> right now the last monster can show up at about 20 turns left, which feels too short
04:25:16 <alefury> i dont know how big the arena is, but yeah, probably
04:26:04 <alefury> getting arena size right for a good melee/ranged balance and tactically somewhat interesting terrain is probably not easy
04:26:56 <evilmike> I think it's the right size
04:27:54 <evilmike> as for the monster set, there are about 140 different sets a round can use, and they range from being a single monster to at least a dozen
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04:28:17 <evilmike> single monster meaning, you still have to fight multiple, but only that monster will spawn
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04:28:41 <evilmike> being a sprint map, a lot of them are silly
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04:40:40 <alefury> :)
04:41:42 <alefury> depending on when the tourney is i might not be home for most of it, so i might be up for playtesting
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04:43:17 <evilmike> well, there's still a question of whether this will be a tournament thing. i think it will stay out of the "normal" tournament, but i dont particularly feel like organizing a sprint tournament
04:43:27 <evilmike> so i might just push this to trunk after 0.11 is branched
04:43:35 <alefury> :(
04:43:51 <alefury> i think if it is ready in time it would be cool to have in the tourney
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04:53:11 <Nomi> Hmm, what's this arena thing? Sounds interesting
04:57:24 <evilmike> I already explained it, scroll up :P
04:57:34 <evilmike> it's not in crawl yet
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05:00:02 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2777-g19157c3
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05:04:19 <Nomi> evilmike: that sounds real fun. I can't wait to see it
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05:45:44 <Napkin> wow, the new hetzner server was ready to use 5 minutes after I ordered!
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05:58:59 <due> awesome!
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06:03:48 <alefury> Napkin: you ordered a new server after all?
06:03:48 <alefury> also, holy shit thats fast
06:05:51 <Napkin> yeah, new server is 20€ less per month and still a lot bigger/faster/stronger :D
06:07:50 <alefury> oh, a replacement, not an additional one?
06:07:57 <alefury> that makes sense too :)
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07:52:45 <Henzell> HyperOneEyedJack the Summoner (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 13888. (Lair:1)
07:53:13 <Henzell> HyperOneEyedJack the Summoner (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 13988. (Lair:1)
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07:55:56 <Henzell> HyperOneEyedJack the Summoner (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 14361. (D:10)
07:56:20 <Henzell> HyperOneEyedJack the Summoner (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 13999. (D:10)
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08:10:40 <kilobyte> "bog body corpse" looks... silly
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08:20:23 <Guest1163> decayed bog body corpse
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08:28:18 <kilobyte> ChrisOelmueller: there's already a "decayed bog body", in an ossuary
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08:29:36 <ChrisOelmueller> yes that's what i was referring to
08:30:35 <kilobyte> for extra joy, "rotting decayed bog body corpse"
08:32:55 <kilobyte> what about special casing it as "bog corpse"?
08:33:46 <Cheibriados> The game is unable to load a saved game. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5919) by CommanderC
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08:52:45 <ChrisOelmueller> yay for useless interface bug reports
08:54:03 <Cheibriados> Distortion wield-id confuses skill menu if the only active skill stops training (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5920) by chris
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09:08:01 <Henzell> pivotal the Ogre Mage (L19 OgFE) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 52919. (Vaults:2)
09:09:47 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte * r94c716ceb046 10/crawl-ref/source/package.cc: Check if some code tries to read from a save into (void*)0
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09:10:49 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  oh, so that was it... I was looking and looking for an off-by-one error, didn't think to check the zlib API to see whether we could pass NULL there
09:11:20 <Henzell> HyperOneEyedJack the Summoner (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 14004. (D:10)
09:11:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte:   we pass NULL explicitly when extracting a string
09:11:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  if the saved length is longer than maxlen-1
09:12:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  to extract the "rest"
09:12:05 <CIA-23> 03Grunt * r5362db65fb53 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Update trainable skill list before untrainable skill list.
09:12:05 <CIA-23> 03Grunt * rad0964d1f5cd 10/crawl-ref/source/package.cc: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl
09:12:22 <|amethyst> s/extract the/skip the/
09:12:41 * Grunt grumbles something about spurious merges >:(
09:12:51 <Grunt> todo: remember to rebase properly in the future.
09:12:55 <Henzell> HyperOneEyedJack the Summoner (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 14110. (D:10)
09:13:23 <kilobyte> |amethyst: it doesn't fix the bug yet
09:13:57 <kilobyte> I'm busy right now, that's why I pushed just this assertion
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09:35:15 <edlothiol> Grunt: git config branch.master.rebase true
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09:37:18 <galehar> Along with other useful config in docs/develop/git/config.txt
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09:42:46 <Grunt> Thanks you two.
09:48:10 <CIA-23> 03|amethyst * rfe5a96f36a45 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc: Don't fail when unmarshalling a too-long string (#5919).
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10:21:09 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2830-gfe5a96f (33)
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10:25:08 <Henzell> HyperOneEyedJack the Summoner (L10 MuWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 14000. (D:10)
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10:38:40 <|amethyst> hm, untransferred?
10:38:47 <|amethyst> !lm HyperOneEyedJack crash -log
10:38:47 <Sequell> 7. HyperOneEyedJack, XL10 MuWz, T:14000 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/HyperOneEyedJack/crash-HyperOneEyedJack-20120712-152507.txt
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10:39:15 <Grunt> Yes, |amethyst.
10:40:40 <|amethyst> Grunt:  I updated your comment resolving #5920 ; you referred to a commit that doesn't seem to exist
10:40:45 <|amethyst> %git 36b0200
10:40:45 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit 36b0200 (git returned 128)
10:41:27 <Grunt> That must be related to the spurious merge <_<
10:43:26 <|amethyst> that was my guess too
10:43:35 <kilobyte> to the contrary, after a merge hashes stay unmolested, after a rebase they become invalid
10:43:38 <|amethyst> what does git show 36b0200   say in your repository?
10:44:01 <|amethyst> I was thinking it was some commit in Grunt's local repository that never got pushed
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10:44:33 <Grunt> It shows commit 36b02000fb88.
10:44:41 <Grunt> Which is...
10:44:42 <|amethyst> which is?
10:44:55 <Grunt> ...apparently, 94c716ceb046b.
10:44:58 <Grunt> %git 94c716ceb046b
10:44:58 <Cheibriados> kilobyte * r94c716ceb046: Check if some code tries to read from a save into (void*)0 (2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/94c716ceb046
10:45:08 <Grunt> Weird.
10:45:34 <|amethyst> what are the parents of 36b02000fb88?
10:46:08 <|amethyst> the real one gets described as -2827- not -2828-
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10:47:11 <Grunt> It shows 5362db6 as the parent.
10:47:22 <Grunt> ...so yes, it's related to the spurious merge.
10:47:44 <|amethyst> there's a spurious rebase in the spurious merge :)
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10:49:49 <kilobyte> do you have any new commits anywhere in your tree?
10:50:39 <kilobyte> if not, I'd fetch (to be sure) and reset --hard gs/master (where "gs" is probably "origin" unless you named it)
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11:31:37 <Cheibriados> saegor_entry_miasma has excluded walls (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5921) by XuaXua
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11:41:36 <buppy> I made a species prototype if anyone's interested: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:species:fortress_dwarf
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11:49:57 <HangedMan> buppy: mediocre apts everywhere + perma-stasis + some armour and skill synergy sounds extremely weak
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11:50:17 <HangedMan> and a shaft ability sounds extremely abusable right until you're stuck because you can't shaft further
11:51:01 <buppy> HangedMan: yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Any suggestions?
11:51:19 <HangedMan> change self-shaft to shaft-other
11:51:41 <buppy> Oh, that's an interesting idea
11:52:40 <elliptic> I just can't see perma-stasis working
11:55:12 <Grunt> Perma-stasis could be interesting.
11:55:35 <HangedMan> it's extremely crippling and the race currently has little to make up for it, though
11:55:49 <elliptic> perma-stasis is arguably an even larger drawback than Chei's slowness
11:55:54 <evilmike> the problem with perma-stasis is that it's a fundamental assumption in crawl that you're able to teleport
11:56:01 <evilmike> at least, in later parts in the game
11:56:09 <elliptic> and Chei needs ridiculous stuff like +15 stats to make up for this
11:57:35 <evilmike> or I should say, teleport/blink. Chei still lets you move, and you can always abandon him if you need haste. But playing crawl with zero translocations seems crazy to me (never mind the lack of haste)
11:58:31 <buppy> Well shafting is kind of like a teleport, although obviously it sucks on bottom floors
12:00:18 <HangedMan> it also makes everything around you get harder and you have no immeadiate connection to any known safe places
12:00:31 <elliptic> it is true that instaescape via shaft is ridiculously good, yes
12:01:09 <elliptic> but the fact that it works in some levels and does nothing in many other levels feels strange to me
12:02:25 <buppy> The levels it doesn't work on probably have -cTele though
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12:02:55 <HangedMan> portal vaults, pan, blade
12:03:21 <elliptic> lair end, orc end, two lair subbranch ends, crypt...
12:03:45 <elliptic> and of course teleport is still essential on -cTele levels
12:04:08 <buppy> good point
12:05:06 <elliptic> at the very least, I'd suggest separating out -TELE from the rest of stasis
12:05:36 <elliptic> the amulet lumps a lot of stuff together, there's no reason why a race has to do the same thing... we even already have -Tele artefacts
12:06:51 <elliptic> it might be possible to make a -Tele race with some special emergency escape method... definitely easier if you don't also prevent haste+berserk
12:09:03 <buppy> many gods have special emergency escape options, dunno if they can make up for it though
12:09:28 <evilmike> a "beam blink" spell like I've seen in some roguelikes
12:09:48 <evilmike> the kind that needs line of fire. I think those are fun. Maybe that counts as a teleportation though
12:10:08 <elliptic> jumping!
12:10:13 <elliptic> import nethack knights
12:13:24 <kilobyte> don't forget [g]nomes
12:13:38 <elliptic> oh right, did those have -Tele?
12:14:11 <kilobyte> no, but they're able to pass any wall of width 1 or 2
12:16:45 <kilobyte> including stone, metal and permarocks, which breaks a good deal of vaults
12:17:35 <kilobyte> (not by more than a very, very limited unblockable cTele would, though)
12:20:51 <buppy> hah, stasis allowed me to get an efreet on D1 that was over teleport trap
12:21:00 <evilmike> passing through permarock is just wrong
12:21:05 <evilmike> even monsters are disallowed from that!
12:21:19 <HangedMan> even sound is disallowed from that
12:21:26 <Grunt> It's just not a sound idea?
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14:03:18 <Gretell> linxi (L13 OpFE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1403 failed. (Lair:7)
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14:39:32 <Grunt> !tell rax Does CAO look for a specific UTF-8 locale to allow for Unicode output? I'm not happy about needing to set en_US.UTF-8 instead of my usual en_GB.UTF-8.
14:39:32 <Henzell> Grunt: OK, I'll let rax know.
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14:39:40 <Grunt> (which took me forever to figure out)
14:40:17 <rax> Um
14:40:18 <Henzell> rax: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them.
14:40:22 <rax> hahahaha no I am not running that
14:40:27 <rax> Grunt: I have no fucking clue, ot be honest
14:40:44 <Grunt> I guess I should bother greensnark?
14:40:50 <rax> Well he won't answer
14:40:55 <rax> I can try to _get_ a clue :P
14:40:58 <rax> but I can't guarantee anything
14:41:02 <Grunt> Thanks.
14:41:37 <Grunt> It sounds like this is the sort of thing you've had problems with in the past, and it's not *too* much of an inconvenience, but if something cleaner can be done it would be good. :)
14:42:04 <rax> Yeah there's some danget this is because we are on a stupid old version of Debian
14:42:14 <rax> The locale is _installed_ but I am not sure that the right thing has access to it
14:42:26 <kilobyte> CDO forces the locale
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14:43:58 <kilobyte> if CAO has any recent (0.8-era recent) dgamelaunch, it won't work right in non-UTF8 locales
14:44:59 <rax> I... have no idea. :/ This is why I just need to reinstall this monstrosity.
14:45:13 <kilobyte> the only thing one might possibly use the locale for is choosing a language, but we're not there yet
14:45:47 <rax> Grunt: I am looking and I don't know why it doesn't work, but only out of naive looking at things like what locales are supported, I don't actually _understand_ what's going on here
14:45:53 <kilobyte> just make it set LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 and all will be fine
14:46:02 <rax> I know that more recent versions of debian are smarter about locales than this
14:46:07 <rax> kilobyte: what is "it" in that sentence?
14:46:26 <rax> (and wouldn't forcing the local to en_US not solve Grunt's problem?)
14:46:39 <kilobyte> something between the player's login and DGL being run
14:47:18 <rax> huh it looks like locale-archive doesn't contain en_GB
14:47:23 <rax> that is probably why it doesn't work
14:47:49 <kilobyte> I wouldn't expect you to install all possible locales anyway
14:48:46 <rax> It looks like I can install this one though
14:49:05 <rax> Grunt: Try now? No guarantees but it works from the terminal now
14:49:19 <rax> It might not work in the chroot, that might be where (some of) the problem is
14:49:26 <Grunt> That looks like a no.
14:49:43 <rax> Probably the best thing is just to force it then, sorry
14:49:50 <Grunt> Thanks for looking into that.
14:50:01 <rax> Will I invite ire if I highlight CDO's admin and ask how he does it? :)
14:50:59 <rax> Eh, it's worth a try
14:51:09 <rax> Napkin: How do you do locale forcing on CDO? Please don't kill me. <3
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15:09:19 <Napkin> hehe
15:09:28 <Napkin> i'm the killing kinda guy ;)
15:10:07 <Napkin> i do
15:10:08 <Napkin> export LANG="en_US.utf8"
15:10:08 <Napkin> export LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8"
15:10:27 <Napkin> in the wrapper scripts for starting the crawl binaries
15:11:40 <Napkin> and i have the locales copied over from the system (not many installed) to usr/lib/locale/locale-archive inside the chroot
15:12:03 <Napkin> but where to put them and in which format depends on the libc6 version, i think
15:12:25 <rax> Thanks!
15:12:57 <Napkin> erm, and i wanted to say that i'm _not_ the killing kinda guy ;-)
15:13:26 <Zannick> he can just hire one of the devs to do that =p
15:14:00 <rax> I can't tell if those changes made it better, but they definitely didn't make it worse.
15:14:04 <Zannick> license to kill -9
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15:18:42 <Napkin> Grunt? Better now?
15:18:58 <Grunt> I'll give it a try.
15:19:37 <Grunt> Looks like that did it. :)
15:19:45 <rax> Yay! Thanks, Napkin. You rock.
15:20:05 <Grunt> Thanks rax, and thanks Napkin! :)
15:20:07 <Napkin> awesome :)
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15:39:16 <Gretell> 4thArraOfDagon (L12 NaFE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1403 failed. (Lair:5)
15:40:14 <Grunt> !lm 4thArraOfDagon crash x=cv
15:40:14 <Sequell> Malformed argument: 4thArraOfDagon
15:40:22 <Grunt> !lm * name=4thArraOfDagon crash x=cv
15:40:22 <Sequell> No milestones for * (name=4thArraOfDagon crash).
15:40:30 <Grunt> !lm * crash
15:40:33 <Sequell> 3295. [2012-07-12] 4thArraOfDagon the Arsonist (L12 NaFE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1403 failed on turn 8830. (Lair:5)
15:40:36 <Grunt> !lm * crash x=cv
15:40:36 <Sequell> 3295. [2012-07-12] [cv=0.10] 4thArraOfDagon the Arsonist (L12 NaFE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1403 failed on turn 8830. (Lair:5)
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15:42:48 <Sequell> 3295. [2012-07-12] 4thArraOfDagon the Arsonist (L12 NaFE) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1403 failed on turn 8830. (Lair:5)
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15:45:29 <|amethyst> !lm 4thArraOfDagon crash -log
15:45:29 <Sequell> Malformed argument: 4thArraOfDagon
15:45:33 <|amethyst> !lm @4thArraOfDagon crash -log
15:45:33 <Sequell> 1. 4thArraOfDagon, XL12 NaFE, T:8830 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/4thArraOfDagon/crash-4thArraOfDagon-20120712-203917.txt
15:46:21 <|amethyst> blink frog hits, blinks into a trap, and dies, on the same turn
15:46:29 <|amethyst> fixed in trunk by the blink being a fineff
15:47:09 <Grunt> Should that be backported to 0.10, or is the 0.11 release going to be soon enough that it won't really matter?
15:47:21 <|amethyst> that's an old 0.10 anyway
15:47:28 <Grunt> Oh.
15:48:14 <|amethyst> that said, it hasn't been backported
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15:53:23 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte is 4612c1f0 maybe what's causing people to end up in walls on abyss exit
15:53:24 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know.
15:53:34 <Grunt> %git 4612c1f0
15:53:34 <Cheibriados> kilobyte * r4612c1f0671f: When returning from the Abyss, never place the player on a trap. (6 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/4612c1f0671f
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15:54:09 <|amethyst> hm
15:55:25 <|amethyst> maybe not
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15:56:40 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte  never mind, I missed that you are passing 'false' as the third argument now
15:56:40 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know.
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15:59:54 <|amethyst> doing a compile, then I'll push the backport
16:00:23 <|amethyst> along with the similar change to trample, in part because it fixed a crash, but also because that reduced the number of conflicts :)
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16:09:16 <kilobyte> right, the trample/blink/teleport crash doesn't seem easy to backport, but if you did the work...
16:09:16 <Henzell> kilobyte: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:09:36 <|amethyst> I realised I needed a few later commits
16:09:50 * Grunt is reminded of the crash frog bug.
16:10:07 <|amethyst> I'm not backporting the changes that make stasis/-tele work in more cases
16:10:09 <BlastHardcheese> fr crash frogs that xom can summon
16:10:32 <Grunt> The crash frog hits you!  Outside, the world ends.[...]
16:11:09 <Zannick> The crash frog hits you!  You hear a crash cymbal.
16:11:16 <Zannick> or rather
16:11:43 <Zannick> You hit the crash frog!  Tsssssh!
16:12:12 <Zannick> You hit the drum worm! You hit the drum worm! You hit the crash frog!  Ba-dum tsh!
16:12:28 <|amethyst> Summon Neil Peart
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16:12:50 <|amethyst> Not sure why all the cool people are named "Neil"
16:13:09 <|amethyst> and conversely
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16:36:38 <st_> I've just realised that the tutorial selects a character automatically, I guess this could be used for sprints too but I think it's all hard coded :(
16:36:43 <Grunt> Speaking of blink frogs, something I noticed yesterday:
16:36:51 <Cheibriados> blink frog (09F) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | Int: insect | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Dam: 2006(blink self) | amphibious, cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 265 | Sp: blink.

16:36:51 <Grunt> %??blink frog
16:36:53 <Cheibriados> Prince Ribbit (11F) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | Int: normal | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Dam: 20 | amphibious, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 302 | Sp: blink; teleport self.

16:36:53 <Grunt> %??Prince Ribbit
16:37:21 <Grunt> The attack stats are identical other than the blink self property for the latter.
16:37:27 <Grunt> Should that be added in?
16:37:41 <evilmike> I think it's on purpose
16:37:52 <elliptic> prince ribbit isn't a blink frog
16:38:01 <elliptic> he is a frog with a couple of spells
16:38:10 <Zannick> a frog that blinks
16:38:11 <Grunt> He seems to be trying really hard to be a blink frog <_<
16:38:31 <elliptic> have you ever heard any stories about princes who were transformed into blink frogs
16:38:33 <|amethyst> also, given how early he appears, blinking away 1/3 of the time when he hits you would probably make him easier
16:39:17 <BlastHardcheese> he is a blink that frogs
16:39:23 <evilmike> MONS:   Prince Ribbit, blink frog band
16:39:40 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r25497d1f41df 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h fineff.cc melee_attack.cc): Use a fineff for melee distortion blinks and teleports.
16:39:40 <evilmike> so he also hangs out with blink frogs...
16:39:43 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * rf72e40fdc242 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h fineff.cc melee_attack.cc): Don't move a trampler into tramplee's space until after the given attack.
16:39:49 <Zannick> Prince Ribbit and the Blinks
16:39:49 <BlastHardcheese> or teleport frog
16:39:52 <Zannick> the blink frog band
16:39:53 <CIA-23> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * recb34d435194 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h fineff.cc melee_attack.cc monster.cc): When an attacker blinks due to own melee attack, do it as a final effect.
16:39:55 <ghallberg> tramplee <3
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16:42:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I guess when we do the release we also tag and release 0.10.4 as the final version of 0.10?
16:42:07 <Grunt> That sounds plausible to me.
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17:00:52 <|amethyst> Just put up the old Ashenzari logs on http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/
17:01:05 <|amethyst> Hopefully it doesn't slow the search down too much
17:01:06 <Grunt> :)
17:01:32 <|amethyst> and hopefully doy doesn't mind me ignoring his robots.txt :)
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17:02:07 <CIA-23> 03|amethyst * r0c8de7b8c1db 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/process.txt: Update link to ##crawl-dev log archive.
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17:07:20 <kilobyte> I got quite a bit of ##crawl-dev logs, if you want
17:07:45 <|amethyst> anything older than 20100124 would be great
17:07:53 <kilobyte> starting Jan 03 2010
17:07:59 <kilobyte> so not by much
17:08:28 <|amethyst> actually, including 20100124, because the logs started 47 minutes before midnight :)
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17:09:28 <kilobyte> and ##crawl, also starting Jan 03 2010, although there's A LOT of it
17:09:54 <|amethyst> I'm not dealing with ##crawl logs right now
17:10:10 <Zannick> i have ##crawl-dev after 2010-01-08
17:10:21 <Zannick> and for some reason i have two logs dated 2000
17:10:34 <Zannick> probably irssi gone nuts, or just my machine
17:10:39 <|amethyst> Zannick:  sounds like kilobyte has you beat by a week except for those ancient ones :)
17:10:53 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  do you have a URL I can fetch them from?
17:10:56 <kilobyte> no idea how complete they are
17:11:09 <Zannick> --- Log opened Thu Sep 07 00:26:00 2000
17:11:12 <Zannick> and 5 lines later
17:11:13 <Zannick> --- Day changed Wed Sep 08 2010
17:11:16 <|amethyst> haha
17:11:23 <|amethyst> incomplete is better than nothing, as long as they don't have private messages etc
17:11:36 <|amethyst> chei now has user quits from ##crawl btw
17:11:55 <|amethyst> since I didn't want to write tracking for which users are in which channels :(
17:13:58 <Zannick> i have ##crawl logs from 2009-10-02
17:14:21 <Zannick> (and two logs dated 2000 which are also bogus)
17:15:04 <kilobyte> http://angband.pl/tmp/crawl-dev.xz
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17:15:15 <kilobyte> note the lack of ".tar" there... sorry
17:16:56 <kilobyte> at least the first month seems complete, though, at least
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17:21:09 <syraine> Why does it say "Do you really want to suicide this character?"
17:21:30 <syraine> For one thing, suicide is not a verb?
17:21:36 <Grunt> There was a Mantis entry to that effect.
17:21:39 <Grunt> Let's see...
17:21:49 <BlastHardcheese> is that a new message when you go to a chei altar
17:21:50 <|amethyst> Change to "commit suicide" IMO
17:21:59 <Grunt> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5759
17:22:01 <syraine> I don't even like the 'suicide' bit
17:22:02 <|amethyst> someone complained that they didn't realise that "quit" meant "quit"
17:22:05 <syraine> I'd feel extremely bad doing it
17:22:48 <|amethyst> syraine:  sounds like it might prevent some ragequits
17:22:50 <|amethyst> :P
17:22:52 <syraine> ...Yeaaah. But it has extremely negative connotations.
17:22:56 <evilmike> then autotravel to D:1 and leave the dungeon
17:23:00 <syraine> Can't it just say, "Are you sure you want to quit without saving?"
17:23:05 <evilmike> no
17:23:09 <syraine> No?
17:23:13 <evilmike> it used to say that
17:23:17 <syraine> Yes.
17:23:26 <evilmike> its not going to be changed back
17:23:27 <|amethyst> When most programs say that, it means you're back to the way it was before you started
17:23:34 <kilobyte> it is supposed to have negative connotations, you're killing off the character
17:23:36 <|amethyst> not that your save has been deleted
17:23:59 <syraine> It's a little offensive.
17:24:02 <syraine> -awkwardly-
17:24:06 <syraine> That's all.
17:24:44 <syraine> I mean, I'm not trying to make any trouble. It's just that I don't really want the process of accidentally staring the wrong combination result in me having to agree to make a proxy commit suicide.
17:24:55 <syraine> Isn't there a middle ground?
17:25:01 <evilmike> yes. leave the dungeon
17:25:02 <|amethyst> maybe "abandon this character"?
17:25:06 <syraine> Yes!
17:25:09 <syraine> Abandon this character would be nice.
17:25:18 <evilmike> that would probably work fine yes
17:25:25 <syraine> Okay, then.
17:28:04 <CIA-23> 03|amethyst * r354d47989254 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Make quitting less of a moral issue.
17:28:24 <|amethyst> Note that this doesn't mean that start scumming isn't a sin :)
17:28:30 <syraine> yays
17:28:35 <syraine> <3
17:28:52 <syraine> I feel better ~
17:29:02 <Nomi> |amethyst: lol
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17:32:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  btw, there's an inconsistency in the meaning of maxlen between marshallString and unmarshall[C]String
17:33:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  in marshallString it means "save this many characters" but in unmarshallCString it means "load this many characters minus one"
17:33:54 <Zannick> is one recording the null character and the other not reading it?
17:34:06 <|amethyst> marshallString doesn't store the null
17:35:13 <|amethyst> it's not a big deal---just that using the same number in the marshall and the unmarshall can result in saving an extra character that you'll never use
17:35:30 <|amethyst> it's skipped over properly, it's just that there's no reason to store it
17:35:40 <|amethyst> also, maxSize should really be a short
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17:35:58 <|amethyst> since the size is marshalled as one
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17:38:05 <kilobyte> do we even store strings with a fixed limit anywhere?
17:39:06 <|amethyst> inscriptions
17:39:23 <|amethyst> not sure about anything else
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17:40:02 <|amethyst> it makes sense to unmarshall with a limited size
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17:41:00 <|amethyst> though I guess there's no reason not to allow unmarshallString to take 0 or -1 or something as the maxlen
17:41:18 <|amethyst> unmarshallCString needs a positive limit, though
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18:01:47 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  hah, chei started logging 2 years to the day after your logs start
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18:08:02 <Gretell> mudo (L27 VpAE) ASSERT(zombie_class_size(cs) == Z_NOZOMBIE || zombie_class_size(cs) == mons_zombie_size(base)) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 2053 failed. (Zig:25)
18:08:27 <|amethyst> old version
18:08:29 <|amethyst> ?
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18:08:37 <st_> yes, months old
18:08:38 <|amethyst> !lm mudo crash -log
18:08:38 <Sequell> 4. mudo, XL27 VpAE, T:810087 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/mudo/crash-mudo-20120701-005218.txt
18:08:59 <|amethyst> yup
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21:06:49 <zooko> Greetings, people of ##crawl-dev!
21:07:04 <zooko> I want to give away a tiny bit of money to someone who contibutes to Dungeon Crawl, or to the Dungeon Crawl project's expenses.
21:07:07 <zooko> And by "money" I mean Bitcoin.
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21:49:24 <elliptic> evilmike: it looks like your swamp changes had the side effect of making frogpondlair even more dangerous? (it was already the most dangerous lair ending IMO)
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22:14:50 <Wensley> !lg * place=lair:8 s=map
22:14:51 <Sequell> 2977 games for * (place=lair:8): 1962x , 215x evil forest, 156x wormcave, 141x jungle book, 141x minmay lair end enchanted forest, 111x evilmike catoblepas cave, 107x due jungle book, 72x minmay lair end frog pond, 24x kennels, 15x bearwithus, 5x minmay slime entry pillars, 4x worms lemuel, 3x minmay slime entry oklob enclosed, 3x minmay slime entry eyes, 3x slime altar 2, 3x portal ice cave entry...
22:14:56 <Wensley> !lg * place=lair:8 s=map cv=0.10
22:14:59 <Sequell> 546 games for * (place=lair:8 cv=0.10): 243x , 75x minmay lair end enchanted forest, 66x evilmike catoblepas cave, 64x due jungle book, 44x evil forest, 28x wormcave, 17x minmay lair end frog pond, 2x bearwithus, 2x kennels, bobbens ice dragon lair, slime altar 2, hibernation bobbens, minmay slime entry pillars, portal ice cave entry animals and master
22:15:15 <Wensley> elliptic: people seem wise to the frog pond nowadays
22:15:31 <Wensley> not so much to the spriggans
22:15:56 <elliptic> well you often don't die in it, because the monsters wander all over the level
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22:28:54 <syraine> I did recently thanks to chaos-brand melee on Lair:7
22:29:49 <Grunt> ...that sounds like a fun story.
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22:49:55 <syraine> A few words long.
22:50:30 <syraine> When you attack an enemy with a melee weapon with AF_CHAOS, it may create a shaft trap underneath you and force you to enter it.
22:50:45 <syraine> The shaft trap will behave normally and cease to exist after you enter the shaft.
22:51:48 <syraine> To Grunt.
22:52:29 <Grunt> So you were shafted by chaos melee (not that that's entirely unexpected) and landed in a deadly situation?
22:52:44 <syraine> It is highly unlikely, statistically, per hit.
22:52:55 <syraine> But I understand you.
22:53:16 <syraine> Yes, I entered the centre of the vault.
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22:53:54 * Grunt envisions landing in a doorvault.
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23:10:56 <MarvinPA> that would be difficult since there's no space to land in :P
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23:11:13 <Grunt> Didn't stop someone from passwalling into one. :D
23:11:41 <MarvinPA> nice
23:11:59 <Grunt> Let's see...
23:12:03 <Grunt> !lg splash 200 -tv
23:12:04 <Sequell> 200/250. splash, XL17 MuEE, T:43406 requested for FooTV.
23:13:06 <MarvinPA> haha that's fantastic
23:13:17 <MarvinPA> and he failed to passwall out because of low spellpower
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