00:01:11 -!- Rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 00:03:39 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2798-g21a6711 (33) 00:10:42 -!- SevenDeadlySins has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:33 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:12:38 -!- Guest1562 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:19:57 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2798-g21a6711 00:22:41 -!- JackRogers has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120615064004]] 00:26:15 -!- antrees_ is now known as antrees 00:29:56 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:18 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:36:21 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:11 -!- omnirizon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:29 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 00:44:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 00:47:53 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:00 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 01:05:55 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:20 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 01:13:36 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:20:51 -!- RWJMurphy has quit [Read error: Connection refused] 01:23:19 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:54 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:30:42 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:37:34 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:39:02 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:13 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:25 -!- Exister has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:57:28 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:36 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:12:42 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:42 -!- Exister has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:34 -!- inde has quit [] 02:21:06 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:26:21 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 02:26:33 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:36 -!- jeremie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:28:26 -!- Tenaya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:30:35 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:42:13 -!- hart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:36 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 02:43:56 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 02:45:30 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:29 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:43 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:31 03|amethyst * r1cb138f46103 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/spells.txt: Confusing Touch affects one hand. 03:27:13 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [] 03:28:09 -!- Hosg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:07 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:06 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:39:08 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:42:42 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:43:36 -!- Jyazen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44:34 -!- syraine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:08 03galehar * r0f3324d521cd 10/crawl-ref/source/ (acquire.cc goditem.cc goditem.h): Don't acquire items your god hates. 03:48:25 -!- phunktion has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:35 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:54:42 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:56:52 so, my experimental sprint map works. cant say it's balanced, but it seem pretty fun 03:57:12 i think i'll wait until 0.11 is forked before pushing it though. or maybe it could be made "tournament sprint" 04:00:16 let's ask elliptic if he would want it 04:00:26 the last two tourneys, sprint didn't count 04:00:52 good idea IMO; of course, in this case, you'd need to keep the map's contents secret 04:01:02 well, currently I'm the only one that has it ;) 04:01:18 I'd have a few selected people playtest of course 04:01:34 I'll ask elliptic next time he's online; haven't seen him around lately 04:02:37 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:03:30 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:06:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:12:10 should potions and amulets of rage be considered useless under Trog? They don't provide protection against passing out anymore, and Trog's invocation is no-fail. 04:15:05 well, they bypass silence... thats the only use i can think of though 04:15:09 potions are more useful for that 04:15:57 potions give 40 nutrition... other potions with no primary effect are marked as useless, though 04:16:14 (except water, which never has any effect other than that 40 nutrition) 04:16:51 so I guess you could put on stasis and quaff those potions of berserk rage for emergency nutrition 04:16:58 which... is obscure enough to fall under useless :P 04:17:06 -!- oberstein has quit [Quit: uhhh] 04:18:39 ??solitas[2] 04:18:39 solitas[2/7]: aka the Jolly Rotter. Ask him about the time he drank potions of decay for nutrition. 04:19:08 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:21 I have Mantis admin powers, you can ping me instead of the king of naps. 04:32:24 Also contrary to a popular belief, I am actually male. :> 04:34:47 you mean, having a wife and a daughter can reveal your secret? 04:38:31 we need jpeg back badly, though, or some lawmakers will impose a gender quota on us 04:38:56 (and tile work is badly neglected) 04:39:15 Keskitalo: I assume your daughter will take over after you? 04:39:23 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:45 it may take some time, but AFAIK that's the plan :) Together with Nap King's kid for the server admin. 04:42:05 I'll raise my kids to be... Annoying onlookers with stupid ideas then. 04:42:37 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:54 ghallberg: Yes! This is why I'm very happy with tutorial messages going into the database: they can be translated more easily (into Finnish), and the learning can start before she learns to read English. 04:44:08 :) 04:44:25 kilobyte: I could be a woman with a wife and a daughter, of course. 04:44:30 Now that you mention it, my oldest is living in finland now, with her mom. 04:45:45 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 04:46:53 adopted, yeah. Naturally born, not really. 04:47:36 It could be done. 04:47:52 Insemination is available to lesbina couples in finland I think? 04:48:01 Or they could go to denmark or whatever. 04:48:04 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANYHOW 04:48:06 wouldn't be his 04:48:41 kilobyte: Well, who says his (her?) wife gave birth? 04:49:24 Eino, on this very channel :p 04:49:41 dammit. 04:49:50 I dunno, genesplicing and shit. 04:49:54 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:54 This is the future after all. 04:50:58 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:52 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:00:12 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2777-g19157c3 05:02:09 I don't think gays can adopt their partner's children in this backward-assed country, no. 05:04:51 So technically/legally what I said couldn't be true. 05:05:03 Ah :( 05:06:13 ghallberg: How old is your daughter? I'm trying to figure out when I should be finished with the Finnish translation of the tutorial. ;) 05:06:28 Although I have a 11 year old nephew, so it's really "ASAP" 05:06:40 -!- Greif has quit [Client Quit] 05:16:11 -!- Snowclone has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:17:14 She's five, maybe I should start a swedish translation so she can choose which one suits her best... 05:18:13 -!- ktgrey has quit [] 05:18:52 hopefully she'll be chosing Klingon 05:19:02 That would be terribly annoying. 05:19:15 But I guess the littel one might be speaking klingon. 05:19:20 Or quenya. 05:19:24 I have no idea. 05:19:53 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:23:14 Quenya is so first age... 05:23:45 She is in her first age? :D 05:25:31 no. Per Thingol's decree, all use of Quenya was forbidden in favour of Sindarin, so you're talking about a language several thousand years dead. 05:25:56 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 05:27:46 I see. 05:27:51 * ghallberg is bad att LotR-lore. 05:28:02 -!- PsyMar has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:28:44 that's waaay before LotR (at least by in-universe timeline) 05:29:32 blaargh, now you're just being contrary 05:30:36 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:30:54 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 05:37:12 i think klingon fits crawl's theme much better than any of the cliche fantasy languages 05:37:24 just think about all the hacking and slaying :) 05:40:09 Can't we write that into some kind of lore. "All speak is translated from the original klingon, for the players' benefit." 05:43:22 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:34 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:16 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:38 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:30 "If you really wan't to enjoy Crawl you should play it in the original Klingon." 06:00:32 -!- evilmike_ has quit [] 06:01:31 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:58 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 06:08:04 Keskitalo: sorry, I think I confused you with Enne (who is a she, right?) 06:10:49 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:31 kilobyte: another triple sword hater: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5080 06:15:11 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:15:34 zweihander would be redundant with regular great swords 06:16:10 claymore[3] and bastard swords[2] are precisely what I'm preaching about for ages, so I obviously support that :p 06:20:30 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:20:31 -!- pointsofdata_ is now known as pointsofdata 06:20:41 kilobyte: is there any strong supporters of the goofy swords? 06:20:53 -!- antrees has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:14 03galehar * r028fc5a51a23 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Wand of invisibility is useless for TSOites. 06:21:18 I don't really mind them, but I think replacing them with bastard swords and claymore would be an improvement. 06:23:07 "strong": no one I know. Mild: something about them being Crawl classics, I'd have to check IRC logs who supported them. 06:24:01 or just raise the issue again, and if no opposition, make the change :) 06:24:49 usually, these kind of unimportant issues just need some water under the bridge 06:25:03 like with return statements and parenthesis 06:30:33 also, there's a tile for 7-bladed swords in UNUSED/ :p 06:30:48 seriously? 06:31:42 that should be a fixedart 06:32:12 especially if 2- and 3- bladers get removed 06:32:14 FR: an artefact flaming 7-bladed sword named "Lernaean's doom" 06:33:31 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:27 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35:35 kilobyte: was that a joke? I can't find the tile 06:35:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:35:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:25 -!- Patashu has quit [Client Quit] 06:37:06 can't seem to find it either, it might have suffered an accident 06:37:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:40 (the side blades were short and parallel to the main one, three on each side) 06:38:32 galehar: Yeah, I figured as much. Enne IIRC even prefers non-gendered pronoun though. 06:38:41 I support a Klingon translation. 06:39:23 I like the three-bladed humour, but *shrug 06:39:45 See, couldn't even be bothered to type the final asterisk. 06:40:30 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:50 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:59:09 the plutonium sword is a triple one, yet its tile is normal 07:02:22 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:05:13 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:32 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:09:57 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 07:12:55 searching the recent logs (the ones on s-z.org) only shows kilobyte wanting to get rid of them 07:13:10 also, yay for log search! 07:14:23 no strong support for keeping them 07:15:13 <+sorear> triple swords are one of the original bits of Linley humor 07:15:51 20:05 < Eronarn> people love the double/triple swords 07:15:52 20:05 < Eronarn> even if they're silly 07:16:01 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 07:16:03 i dont care at all 07:17:48 I hate them a lot (unlike, say, halflings, hating which is a theme I keep from a Tolkien MUD), but not the point of going over dead bodies 07:18:03 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=68074#p68074 07:22:46 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:27:32 kilobyte: what do you mean not going over dead bodies? 07:28:18 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:30:33 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:35:05 One day, we'll get rid of pizzas. 07:37:20 i would sort of miss triple swords and not really miss pizzas at all 07:37:51 but wouldn't argue particularly strongly about either really :P 07:50:45 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:35 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:53:32 I hate the klowns and cobs. 07:53:44 death yaks, hellephants 07:54:00 I'm ok with death yaks. 07:54:01 now, klowns and cobs, and Zot sillines in general is <3 07:54:04 Hellephants yeah... 07:54:14 Just no. 07:54:55 nellie, antique lich, the iron giant 07:54:55 hellephants are amazing 07:54:59 (this list does not end and I do not want any of it gone, for reference) 07:55:12 tiles' best achievement, giving hellephants an excuse to exist :P 07:55:19 :P 07:55:36 I just have a problem with stuff that I cna't get a grip on. 07:55:44 nellie's tile is great 07:55:53 I can't put it in a fantasy setting and make it feel reasonable. 07:56:03 Even cursed toes are ok :D 07:56:12 fantasy setting with mutations 07:56:46 i love hellephants 07:56:54 ghallberg: Don't you know? Zot is a crashlanded spaceship 07:57:06 (electric golems used to be "guardian robots" IIRC) 07:57:07 full of guardian robots 07:57:16 I just hate KLOWNS! 07:57:29 but... but... klowns! 07:57:33 Klowns don't fit in ANY setting. 07:57:37 gotta have some entertainment on those long spaceship journeys 07:57:40 Even if they are from space. 07:58:46 where does nellie spawn btw? 07:58:53 just in sprint 3 07:58:58 sprint III, in its pan, which is in hive 07:59:34 sprint has some cool stuff! 07:59:40 maybe i should play it! 08:00:39 sprint 3 isn't much of a sprint, but it is pretty amazing anyway 08:00:51 hopefully mu_ comes back some day and brings us more sprint masterpieces :( 08:03:46 About sprint, there is a bit in wiki about giving them a difficulty rating. dtsund's proposal has five levels, but dpeg suggests three and I agree. 08:04:42 The levels could be: [*] doable for beginner players (who have not gotten a rune), [**] doable for intermediate players (have won three-runers), [***] doable for expert players (consistent allruning etc) 08:05:16 I assume that all the current maps are very challenging and should have [***]. 08:05:16 hmm 08:05:31 difficulty markers for five objects sounds a little off 08:05:58 sprint is so different though, it's almost hard to rank them like that 08:05:58 If we put that in, that would be an incentive for people to start making easier sprint maps :) 08:05:58 (obviously will support them once evilmike's, grunt's, and mine are in) 08:06:17 i've beaten 1 and 4 but not 2 and 3, probably there are people who can't consistently allrune but have beaten all the sprints 08:08:51 right, it is a thing in itself.. 08:09:15 Anyway, it would be good to get both maps that are really easy to win, and something in between 08:09:33 yeah 08:10:12 sprint 3 has the whole 10 rune thing, but it's really challenging even to just win it at all, let along get all the runes :P 08:10:19 let alone* 08:12:52 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:13:08 isn't zigsprint somewhat easier then the others for all of the tools it hands you compared to other sprints 08:13:29 I mean, aside from the tiny chance of the first room have a mummy priest or a pan lord 08:13:36 zigsprint is almost a completely different beast itself, i guess :P 08:15:55 side thing: anybody want to take a look at http://pastebin.com/3GjVdJKT , which I just made to update trove_artefacts with two years of unrands? 08:16:22 ...argh, and I already see I wrote "morning star" 08:17:01 http://pastebin.com/v1wL4JGN instead 08:24:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:06 Aren't multilevel sprints possible to make, like multilevel tutorials are? 08:26:37 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Client Quit] 08:27:26 i think they're possible in theory now 08:28:03 i know st_ wanted to try and convert zigsprint to work that way but i think it needs some code to set it up 08:29:30 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:31:10 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:43 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:35:53 -!- Flyne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:45:41 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:54:25 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:50 Hey Grunt, welcome aboard! 08:55:03 Thanks Keskitalo! :) 08:55:07 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:00:23 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:05:52 Well, I went ahead and reworded this slightly, and tweaked it into three difficulty levels only: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:variants:sprint&#difficulty 09:05:52 oh yeah, congrats, grunt! 09:05:54 now do more stuff! :D 09:14:40 -!- archl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:26:26 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Client Quit] 09:31:01 <|amethyst> galehar: While 0f3324d helps with some items, it doesn't affect the one that #5913 is about: wands of invisibility are marked as neither useless nor dangerous for TSO worshippers 09:31:01 <|amethyst> galehar: They're not completely useless because they affect allies, but it has been pointed out that your halo is likely to interfere with your allies, too 09:31:01 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:31:20 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 09:31:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO updated to 10.3, hopefully should fix the recent bug | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 09:31:26 is taking it easy, obviously. 09:31:27 :) 09:31:56 <|amethyst> Server error occurred! Closing Link: server1.pikicentral.com (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09:32:05 <|amethyst> dunno what happened exactly 09:32:41 |amethyst: gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/028fc5a51a23 09:33:26 <|amethyst> oh, somehow I missed that one 09:33:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:38 <|amethyst> oh, it was just three hours 09:33:49 <|amethyst> galehar: never mind, missed 028fc5a completely 09:41:54 Jiyva worshipper has Irrevocably fixed mutation gains mutations (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5915) by XuaXua 09:42:55 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:48:43 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:52:12 -!- Grildrak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:19 -!- barbs has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:05:10 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:21 doesn't look like zigsprint is mentioned in the 0.11 changelog, anyone want to add that for me? 10:08:07 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:48 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:12:14 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 10:12:20 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 10:13:38 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:15 <|amethyst> and speaking of zigsprint, should it have shedu bands now that they're working in Zig 10:15:18 <|amethyst> ? 10:15:46 <|amethyst> (they would have worked in zigsprint anyway) 10:16:52 they could be in there, I don't remember if I had a reason not to put them in (probably because I was copying zig monster lists) 10:18:11 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:16 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:18:22 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:20:54 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 10:21:03 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:18 <|amethyst> maybe the bands-across-walls problem that has also been fixed 10:21:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Client Quit] 10:23:07 <|amethyst> st_: do you prefer "st" or "st_" ? 10:23:28 st 10:23:51 st_: Where are you from? 10:24:16 england 10:24:22 oki 10:24:27 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:24:44 I know a guy who goes by ST aswell, but he's swedish 10:24:59 <|amethyst> st_: how about "A new Sprint map by st, based on the Ziggurat, with loads of starting loot." 10:25:12 <|amethyst> st_: or maybe without the last bit? 10:25:27 yeah without the last bit is fine 10:26:49 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27:26 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:34 the starting loot is way over the edge 10:29:32 03|amethyst * r1f02cd4ced53 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Mention ZigSprint in changelog.txt. 10:29:42 03|amethyst * rab6c32544e64 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/zigsprint.des: Add shedu bands to ZigSprint holy rooms. 10:30:45 thanks 10:30:54 <|amethyst> argh, miscounted... w:74 isn't right 10:31:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:19 <|amethyst> should be more like w:78 10:34:10 03|amethyst * r28812c7f27d6 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/zigsprint.des: Adjust a weight. 10:38:06 03kilobyte * r9d32731bcc1e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Merge branch 'unicode-tiles' 10:38:18 <|amethyst> yay!!! 10:38:34 it's premature and unfinished, but I need to know if subtextures work on drivers people use 10:42:19 so when is 0.11 release? 10:42:41 when it's ready? 10:42:50 hahahahaha 10:42:55 it is never "ready" 10:43:32 <|amethyst> what are the blockers? 10:44:11 i dont think there really are any, theres just lots of stuff that would be nice to have in 0.11 (like unicode tiles) 10:44:20 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:27 <|amethyst> there's the fdatasync thing 10:44:40 mhh, and the windows 8 thing 10:44:46 I still need to fix the rod tiles 10:44:48 kilobyte, glTexSubImage2D exists since opengl 1.0, I really doubt something out there doesn't support it 10:44:50 (or someone else) 10:44:51 <|amethyst> oh, right, rod tiles 10:45:06 <|amethyst> Zaba: it's more a matter of whether it crashes :) 10:45:13 Zaba: "exists" yeah, "works" maybe 10:45:16 I tried the windows 8 pre-release. It was buggy as hell. We should wait for final before wasting time with it. 10:45:38 making crawl work on windows 8 can be done in a point release, yeah 10:45:49 would also be nice to get the slime overlay tiles in, but that's not really a blocker 10:45:56 not a lot of people are going to buy it right away anyway... 10:46:33 alefury: I thought they were gonna buy crawl... 10:46:35 fixing some of the 867 open bugs would be nice :) 10:46:53 <|amethyst> don't you mean 1190? 10:47:08 nah, those include feature requests and submissions 10:47:30 also, I just tested the autopickup menu in webtiles for the first time and it will need some fixing 10:47:35 should have done that earlier 10:47:42 <|amethyst> I closed a bunch of ancient bugs a few days ago, but probably only about 20 or 30 of them 10:47:42 someone should probably clean up all the feature requests and put them on the wiki or something 10:47:50 maybe i will do that, but probably not :/ 10:48:01 <|amethyst> s/closed/resolved/ 10:48:02 every now and then i close a bunch of old FRs, quite often they've since been implemented 10:48:17 i'll have another pass at some point when i'm really bored 10:49:09 a lot of them are pretty good 10:49:35 some others, not so much 10:51:42 kilobyte, should work, too. It's not even PBOs or anything actually interesting :P 10:52:53 <|amethyst> Zaba: but what if you call the function with NVidia's drivers on the Korean version of Windows 7 on a Thursday when the moon is waxing gibbous? 10:53:01 |amethyst, should work fine as well 10:53:11 they've had more than a decade to fix something so simple 10:53:15 <|amethyst> good then :) 10:54:38 it's not really much different from a normal texture upload 10:55:09 -!- MidsizeBlowfish has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:56:04 <|amethyst> 0000309 Documentation minor new 2010-01-03 Napkin Options interrupt_* not in options_guide.txt 10:57:06 <|amethyst> I guess both the keys and values would need documenting 10:57:28 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58:55 <|amethyst> um, so what happens if you set interrupt_uninterruptible ? 11:01:22 <|amethyst> (off for the day, later) 11:01:54 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:24 the crickets are much telling 11:03:48 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2804-g28812c7 (33) 11:07:54 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:09:24 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:09:39 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:45 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:12:42 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:14:43 -!- zermkanbo has quit [] 11:15:30 hm, actually the autopickup menu works fine in webtiles, I just somehow managed to introduce a bug by not cleanly compiling something (no idea what exactly happened, but make clean fixed it) 11:17:49 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:27:42 -!- PsyMar2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:30:04 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:24 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:29 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:27 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:38 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: rawrmage: it's danei, it neither needs nor admits explanation] 11:38:39 03kilobyte * rc57de4eda392 10/crawl-ref/source/food.cc: Fix confirm_butcher=never choosing useless corpses first. 11:39:08 2029 pick up $item, cast fulsome, press D => drops the new potion and $item 11:39:08 2029 is this intended? 11:40:47 <|amethyst> I don't think so 11:41:11 should i report it, then, or just leave in the channel? 11:41:23 <|amethyst> It's reported already isn't it? 11:42:09 <|amethyst> oh, hm 11:42:28 <|amethyst> something had made me think it was in mantis from a long time ago, but I'm not seeing it 11:43:13 <|amethyst> I guess I saw your report in-channel and then misremembered and thought it was in mantis 11:43:19 <|amethyst> yes, it should be in mantis :) 11:43:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:40 -!- Tally has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:43:45 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:26 New branch created: glasnost (5 commits) 11:45:03 alright 11:45:12 "glasnost"? 11:45:28 * Grunt goes to see what this is about in the DCSS context... 11:45:40 "not hiding stuff that should be known to everyone" 11:45:45 secret doors in this case 11:45:50 not 0.11 material 11:46:05 03edlothiol * r4aa4f5a7d83e 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/game_data/static/menu.js: Fix restoring webtiles menus after showing another dialog. 11:48:11 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:48:51 fr perestroika 11:49:34 Pressing D after casting Fulsome Distillation drops potion and previously picked up item (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5916) by chris 11:49:44 BlastHardcheese: doable, but it's too generic a word 11:49:48 What would that be? A rearrangement of the dungeon? 11:49:48 :p 11:49:57 can be applied to basically any overhaul 11:50:26 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2819-g9d32731 11:51:06 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:51:16 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:51:32 not sure what's the exact Russian etymology, Wikipedia says "restructuring", but an almost identical word in Polish means "retuning" (as of a musical instrument) 11:51:41 -!- andrewhl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:41 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:48 What's the state of secret doors in vaults? 11:52:04 03MarvinPA * r810acb33c73c 10/crawl-ref/source/cloud.cc: Decrease the amount of steam created by flame clouds over water 11:52:21 killing 'em. There's an idea of a new door type, to stop autoexplore when noticed. 11:52:52 hooray, a second vault review 11:53:00 will this take as long as grate-ification 11:53:11 secret doors outside vaults are already gone in 0.11, for vaults it was considered to be too big a change so it's 0.12 stuff 11:53:24 * dpeg is happy the can't order an quitter to go through all the vaults. 11:53:31 s/the/they/ 11:54:04 HangedMan: current code silently changes = to +, but going through two branches took less than ten minutes 11:54:17 but people miss things all the time 11:54:23 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:00 also, I have machinery tested with wax. I made it a fatal error, then ran --mapstat on every CPU core, looking where it will fail. 11:55:14 it missed only one randomized case so far 11:55:26 It is interesting that Brogue will go in a completely different direction: away from combat and towards exploration/secrets. I have no idea if that can work, though. 11:55:28 -!- Tally has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:46 but aren't there vaults that won't necessarily immeadiately work with just a quick runed to secret swap 11:55:58 erm, secret to runed or regular 11:56:06 HangedMan: yes, someone will eventually have to edit vaults. 11:56:39 perhaps, at least in Crawl there is no case where secret doors add anything to the game. They either block some parts of a level at no player's fault (non-vault) or reward spoilers (vaults). 11:56:58 simm the Gelid (L15 NaWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 37162. (D:14) 11:57:19 the door vault doesn't depend on the doors being secret, for example 11:57:32 just on autoexplore not rushing headfirst into it 11:57:40 !lm simm type=crash -log 11:57:41 3. simm, XL15 NaWz, T:37162 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/simm/crash-simm-20120711-165657.txt 11:57:41 tar_mu, ossuary_minmay_tomb_2a 11:57:48 they sort of work in that one tar vault, yeah 11:58:03 but that's just about the only case, not a huge loss 11:58:19 possibly ossuary_due_mausoleum 11:58:34 MarvinPA: quite a strange definition of "sort of work" 11:58:35 (not arguing this all over again, just pointing out places thought will be needed) 11:58:58 if you're spoiled, you need to walk to all possible spots and search them 11:59:05 kilobyte: well having t&d skill to detect them quickly there is actually relevant, since hell effects exist 11:59:18 all possible spots being almost solely the ends of the corridors? 11:59:43 -!- Orionstein1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:59:45 MarvinPA: I guess for this purpose, secret doors could be reinvented with lua (hell and Abyss use) 11:59:54 but anywhere else the actual amount of t&d skill just doesn't really matter, is what i meant 12:00:02 Zot traps... 12:00:17 specifically for finding doors, that is 12:00:43 Brogue players are trained to go "move, search, search, move, search, search, ..." at deeper levels. Not a good sign. 12:01:20 wasn't that what brogue's autosearch was for 12:01:23 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:01 some Wolf3D maps were basically "press space on every wall on the level" 12:02:30 * Grunt is reminded of that one pushwall maze... 12:02:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:03:31 -!- Tally has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:38 HangedMan: autosearch? The most recent version made matters a bit better, yes. 12:04:55 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:23 also helps with the way that trap use can be tactical and paralysis traps having multiple points to find 12:06:14 (alongside infinite but possibly lasting and quite dangerous for allies and tighter food clock and etc etc etc( 12:06:59 yes, tighter food clock helps a lot with everything 12:07:45 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:56 that's why I'm really considering that Djinni race for 0.12, with no food clock 12:08:10 and mp/hp combination? 12:11:53 but we already have Mummy for now food clock? 12:12:24 mp=hp, food costs are paid with glow, etc 12:12:39 so unlike mummies, no free channeling 12:12:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:00 * Grunt envisions the first djinni v eye of draining / ghost moth encounter. 12:13:06 oh, and Sif has a healing invocation 12:13:29 Grunt: mana draining effect would have a monster antimagic effect instead 12:16:15 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16:48 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:33 a perm-lev ability at the cost of slowness, and it automatically happening above shallow water is minor stuff, but still a gimmick 12:19:04 the race has a great potential to be thoroughly broken, though 12:19:19 simm the Frost Mage (L15 NaWz) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 37415. (Orc:1) 12:19:40 it definitely sounds interesting but i have no idea how it would actually work out, yeah 12:19:50 27 Fightning 27 Spellcasting, and all that expended in firestorms 12:20:16 leaves you with 1 hp and X-ray glow from hunger 12:21:10 (or with 38 int, just 1hp) 12:21:52 can be balanced messing with the hp formula of course, but still likely to cause lots of balance trouble as hp and mp don't generally use the same scale 12:23:06 -!- syraine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:59 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:57 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:25 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:12 simm the Convoker (L10 DESu) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 1512. (Zot) 12:44:26 !lm simm crash -log 12:44:27 4. simm, XL15 NaWz, T:37415 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/simm/crash-simm-20120711-171918.txt 12:44:50 -!- elliott is now known as [elliott] 12:44:53 -!- [elliott] is now known as elliott 12:45:00 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:02 -!- Blade- is now known as [Blade-] 12:45:23 -!- [Blade-] is now known as Blade- 12:47:38 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:53:12 simm the Convoker (L10 DESu) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 1575. (Zot) 12:54:18 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:46 lol @ "glasnost" :D 13:05:34 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:07:21 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:36 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:08:02 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:27 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 13:18:42 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:58 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 13:29:35 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:34:19 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:09 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:49:44 03Grunt * r59ea75df7436 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Warn against bad Fire Storm targetting. 13:49:54 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:50:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:13 Ooh, secret door removal? That'll save me some trouble. 13:51:20 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53:24 jejorda2 the Cruncher (L18 HOFE) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 57598. (D:18) 13:54:18 -!- fungee has quit [] 13:55:02 -!- blackflare has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:29 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:57:04 jejorda2 the Cruncher (L18 HOFE) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 57662. (D:18) 13:57:20 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:57:34 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:45 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:02:09 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 14:11:37 Crash when casting bolt through multiple targets (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5917) by jejorda2 14:14:31 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:45 jejorda2 the Cruncher (L18 HOFE) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 57810. (D:18) 14:16:49 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:26 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 14:28:28 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:34:43 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 14:37:00 FR: make pain not select undeads/demons as target. 14:37:09 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:15 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:33 guess that goes for throw frost adn ice beasts etc as well 14:38:53 "Really target the immune ice beast?" 14:39:04 That too I guess 14:39:22 Mong the Convoker (L15 MuNe) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 44191. (Swamp:2) 14:39:22 But it was mostly for when i press z-a and then enter a bit too quickly. 14:39:35 Maybe your solution is better. 14:39:55 I was just thinking if there is a zombie and a goblin in sight it wouldn't choose the zombie as target. 14:40:48 Mong the Convoker (L15 MuNe) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 44171. 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(D:18) 15:23:58 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:32 I really need to figure out what's causing that crash. 15:24:37 I have a hunch or two. 15:25:46 -!- deadrabbit has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:26:12 jejorda2 the Arsonist (L18 HOFE) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 58181. (D:18) 15:26:40 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:28:25 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:37 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:21 -!- Spavven is now known as Rofaner 15:31:49 -!- QubeNub_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:55 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:45 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:34:35 -!- Silenzio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:36:19 is there something about altars in sprint that makes sprint 2, 4, and 5 explicitly define all of them instead of just defining the three non-temple-gods and then just using the B glyph for the other fifteen? 15:36:33 well, besides specific decoration in altar placement or whatever 15:36:40 -!- QubeNub_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:23 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:44 Sprint 1 can have duplicate altars, I believe, unless that got fixed 15:39:20 Or unless my memory is bad 15:39:35 sprint 1 uses C, but I had guessed that that was on purpose 15:42:05 -!- jeroenos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:42:17 03Grunt * r9d3cc832030a 10/crawl-ref/source/goditem.cc: Fix crash on book acquirement / divine gifting. 15:42:28 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:28 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:03 -!- TNDRNSS has quit [Client Quit] 15:46:22 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:23 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:48:39 -!- ZRN has quit [] 15:51:22 <|amethyst> Grunt: curly brackets, man :) 15:52:38 <|amethyst> Grunt: 30fc117 has too many in a couple of places, and 9d3cc83 should have added a pair 15:53:34 -!- QubeNub has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:53:50 <|amethyst> Grunt: not to detract from your awesome work :) 15:54:37 Mong the Convoker (L15 MuNe) ASSERT(sbook_type < (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook_template_array)) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 83 failed on turn 44209. (Swamp:2) 15:54:40 <|amethyst> use 81x25 so people sound silly when they call it "hugeterm" 15:54:43 <|amethyst> doh 16:01:10 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 16:02:36 <3 Grunt for working on IMB tracer/targetter 16:02:41 my new favorite dev! 16:02:49 -!- kryft has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:03:35 the targetter doesn't seem quite right (it isn't large enough), but the tracer looks good 16:04:18 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:05 Hi, if I want to reduce armour spellcasting penalties for a certain race what function should I modify? 16:05:34 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08:00 -!- remyroy2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:36 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:09:13 -!- phyphor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:10:45 -!- phyphor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:21 |amethyst, I'm still getting used to working in this coding style. I'll get better at it as time passes. :p 16:15:22 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16:12 elliptic, in retrospect, I see what you mean about it not being large enough. 16:16:18 Should be simple enough to tweak... 16:17:59 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:48 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:20:13 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 16:20:54 <|amethyst> buppy: only spellcasting, not EV and to-hit and such? 16:21:36 <|amethyst> buppy: probably player_armour_shield_spell_penalty 16:22:11 <|amethyst> buppy: if you wanted it to work like Elven armour, you could even do it in _player_body_armour_racial_spellcasting_bonus 16:22:15 amethyst: actually, I'm not sure if that's what I want. I want certain spells to be easier to cast by certain race and I solved it by modifying a function in spl-cast.cc 16:22:33 It just seemed hackish to do it there. 16:22:39 <|amethyst> buppy: you mentioned "armour" 16:22:42 -!- Nomi has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:02 <|amethyst> buppy: do you mean certain spells would get less of a penalty from armour for that race? 16:24:39 amethyst: yes 16:26:27 <|amethyst> buppy: probably in spell_fail I would do something like if (you.species == SP_ARMADILLO && is_armadillo_spell(spell)) { armour_shield_penalty = (armour_shield_penalty * 15) / 10; } 16:26:50 <|amethyst> buppy: err, that one's backwards, I meant * 10 / 15 16:26:58 <|amethyst> or whatever numbers make sense for you 16:27:10 Yeah, that's similiar to what I did: http://pastebin.com/yt0NDFjw 16:27:53 <|amethyst> buppy: no offense, but that's nearly unreadable 16:28:04 I know, that's my problem 16:28:14 <|amethyst> buppy: de-constify it and use if/else 16:28:28 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:29:03 <|amethyst> or maybe make a function int _fortdorf_adjust_armour_penalty(int penalty, spell_type spell) 16:29:21 Ok 16:31:09 <|amethyst> FR: NewVehumet eventually gifts Hellfire 16:31:35 ...so it will end in hellfire! 16:31:53 <|amethyst> or Hellfire Burst even 16:31:56 16:32:04 why would vehumet gift crossbows 16:32:14 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: I mean the spell :P 16:32:16 03Grunt * rf2adc98f1a78 10/crawl-ref/source/target.cc: Fix up IMB targetter to use proper explosion distances. 16:32:22 yeah i almost guessed that :P 16:33:42 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34:28 elliptic: the targetter should reflect reality now :) 16:36:18 Grunt: thanks :) the only problem I see with it now is that when you aim through a monster at a square at least two squares past the monster, it does weird things 16:38:19 oh, I guess you need to target at the edge of range for the truly weird-looking thing to happen 16:38:36 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:15 I'm not sure exactly what the desired behavior is... one issue with IMB targetting is that it can miss, so if you aim past a monster then there will be multiple possible explosion centers 16:41:38 could either (a) just display the explosion at the targetted square; (b) just display the explosion at the first monster the IMB could hit; (c) display all possible explosions along the ray 16:42:26 (a) is what it currently does most of the time, except for some weirdness when you aim at the edge of range (presumably because range is being decremented somewhere when it passes through the monster, as happens with most bolts?) 16:43:35 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:07 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:45:50 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46:16 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47:14 -!- Orionstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:38 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:53:35 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:22 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:27 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:01:15 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:17 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:02:04 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:20 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:59 15:36:19 is there something about altars in sprint that makes sprint 2, 4, and 5 explicitly define all of them instead of just defining the three non-temple-gods and then just using the B glyph for the other fifteen? 17:19:17 apparently there is an order of gods B goes through, blah 17:19:26 yeah B does weird things 17:19:40 there's like, a 3-year old implementable for a better way to define altars in sprint 17:19:48 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 17:20:16 fr: 17:21:26 -!- blabber_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:22:12 -!- TNDRNSS has quit [Quit: ] 17:23:45 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27:37 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:59 -!- QubeNub has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:35:36 well just doing it by placing all of them is fine to me, I think having them in fixed places is good but you can shuffle if you don't want that 17:36:49 I just had too many specific random set contents and didn't have enough variables left over to define 15 more gods without subvaulting some bits 17:36:58 erm, altars 17:37:24 are the altars spread out across the level? 17:37:41 yes, no way to make the altars themselves subvaulted to minimize it 17:38:21 sigh, this was nothing more then a mock-up of the sprint concept anyway, and I can subvault other stuff 17:40:22 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:45 -!- imantor has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:44:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 17:50:46 -!- TNDRNSS has quit [Client Quit] 17:51:37 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:55 -!- zermkanbo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:59:48 -!- SevenDeadlySins has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:25 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:16:29 -!- cop has quit [Client Quit] 18:19:06 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:29 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:33 kilobyte: I don't think we should eradicate secret doors. 18:25:14 most of them must be replaced by runed doors, but some can keep them 18:25:40 I'm fine if only 5 vaults keep them, and we ultmately have 10 or 20 of them 18:25:55 what's the point of having secret doors if only 5 vaults have them? 18:26:34 but if randomized and used with some tension (portal, hell effects), they can create some interesting situations 18:27:01 at the cost of players having no idea that they exist? 18:27:21 that can also be created in other ways 18:27:31 most players will never see one before they get to hells or wherever, and then they will assume that a wall is a wall 18:28:01 hmm right 18:28:17 maybe that was the only purpose of the random ones I've removed 18:28:34 guarantee two secret doors per level 18:28:56 if you find all 54 secret doors in D then you unlock a bonus level 18:29:25 :) 18:30:40 nethack level 18:31:08 seriously, I'm having a hard time thinking of a vault other than tar_mu where the secret doors do anything... and even that one is insufficiently randomized (it is much easier if you are looking at the vault des) 18:31:12 anyway, I think a few vaults make an interesting use of them, and I would be sad to see them gone just because secret doors are mysterious 18:31:41 <3 door vault 18:31:46 also, reverse door vault :) 18:31:52 door vault would be just as good with visible doors 18:32:03 but it's getting late here 18:32:04 at least if you stop autoexplore from opening them all by making them runed or whatever 18:32:08 hm. wont the monsters get out? 18:32:30 also, real doors are connected? 18:32:30 they are asleep at start at least 18:32:31 monsters don't open runed doors 18:32:46 real doors wouldn't have to be connected I think 18:32:46 at least the first time 18:32:47 might make it even funnier i guess 18:33:03 * galehar sleep 18:33:07 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:33:09 me too 18:33:21 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:46:47 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:43 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:06 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:54:06 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:00:56 -!- mong has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:08:22 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:59 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:13 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:15:39 -!- violet is now known as violetj 19:19:14 -!- archl has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:41 hi, please make trog gifts no vamp for mace&flails please... 19:20:01 i received 4 GSC/GC with vamp already 19:20:11 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:21:44 Hmm, does anyone know why noisy wouldn't work? I'm using it like this: down_stairs(); noisy(30, you.pos()); 19:23:24 buppy: not working how? 19:23:49 Creatures don't seem to hear anything 19:25:14 Wouldn't even wake up monsters 2 tiles away from me 19:27:07 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:12 * Grunt ponders. 19:34:12 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:36:05 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:42:33 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:19 -!- QubeNub_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:46:24 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:49:35 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:50:22 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 19:50:50 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:51:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:02 -!- QubeNub_ has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:54:19 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:00:07 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:03:15 -!- SwissStopwatch_ is now known as SwissStopwatch 20:04:27 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:05:20 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:05:31 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:59 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:16:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:18:16 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 20:20:36 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 20:21:10 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:35 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:34:10 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:37:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:29 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:27 -!- Alleycat86 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:04 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:08 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:44:31 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:47:09 -!- danharaj has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 20:48:20 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:50:59 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:12 blmarket: could you recommend which monospaced font would be the best to steal glyphs from, that would fit with Bitstream Vera / DejaVu? 21:02:38 -!- newguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:02:52 -!- deadrabbit has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:02:55 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:45 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 21:04:26 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:58 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:15:07 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:17:53 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:04 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:20:40 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:54 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:17 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:10 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:28:48 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:24 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:43 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:35:28 -!- Spavven has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:50 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:45:58 elliptic: has tournament planning started yet? in the last few days I made a weird sprint map on a whim, and was wondering it could be used for "tournament sprint". so far no one has seen it, and it needs a bit of polish, but most of the work is done. 21:46:12 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:46:16 elliptic: the one catch is it's not a normal sprint map. More like a cross between sprint and a mini game 21:46:56 evilmike: tournament sprint would be fun... I'm not sure whether it would be better to have it be part of the august tournament or a separate tournament 21:47:20 doing it as a separate thing could work too 21:47:21